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oil on canvas june 2009Thanks to Alexandra for the reference!!!
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First, I would like to inform you that I do indeed speak from experience, not "childish wonderment" as you so call it. Although I am writing from a stock site, I am a traditional artist first, though I have not put any serious artwork on deviantart in a couple of years. Secondly, I would like to inform you that I have read and studied plenty. Third, I think you vastly misunderstood my meaning in a lot of what I said.
For example, when I said paintings used to be the closest to photography, I was clearly not talking about all paintings. Of course Michelangelo did not do exact subjects, but there have been plenty of artists who did. The portraits of old were indeed as "photographs" of their time.
Third, never did I say one should not explore other themes of art. You had implied that there was no value in photorealism, and I simply gave some reasons that it does, in fact, hold value.
And how is saying that all forms of art are great a bad thing? I never said they were the same, and I never said they were equal, but I do feel they all hold importance. They relate to each other and contrast each other, as shades of colour do. If you see the colour red by itself, that is all well and good, but when you see it beside green, you can better understand what makes red, red, and green, green. That is what I meant in my statement about all art forms being great.
I do not "prefer" this type of art, and it is not my favourite. Yes, I do enjoy it, yes I do think it has some value, and yes I find it beautiful - not stale, and not dead (if the artist puts enough life into it - which Ivan does). I do not live in a confined little box of photorealism, ignorant of other art, and I am offended that you would suggest such a thing. In fact, I found your highly condescending tone throughout your response to be both rude and disrespectful. Your argument was filled with little insults to my intelligence - why could you not just rely on the strength of your points without adding in nasty comments?
I understand your argument fully, but I am sorry, I just do not fully agree with your perspective on this.
God bless,
Ali
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i do not wish to personnaly atack you if that is the tone which my brut english exudes...sorry for that...lets just leave the subject alone...i did not accuse you of being ignorant, i just said read the history of what it was...and if you are truly a traditional artist why hide your art to the world, is it exclusivive?anyways not to worsten the argument, i dont like photorealism...the points i made clearly...but like what i said in ivan's work, he mage to do best of both worlds using photrealism to exude some spirit, afterall ivan truly works great...
sorry for the rudeness, if thats how you feel i am putting you in
G
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Well, if you did not mean any rudeness, I will certainly believe your word, and take no offense.
And yes, I feel Ivan is able to put life and feeling in his photo realism, and I certainly agree that if a photo realist cannot do this, their art holds less value.
As for the reason I do not put up my works - I am never happy with them, honestly. 
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i honestly wouldnt mean any rudeness in my words, you know im not a native english tounge so i resort into some rather rude sentence string to make my point clear, but anyways i really dont think you are not "knowledgable" on the topic we were discussing its just that im expressing my opinions on ivan art, that's all...i think i am entitled as you are to give any of my thoughts on the art at hand regardless of what i believe or like and dislike...my quarrel here is not with you or ivan, my battle is with the decadence with which photorealism, minimalist, and the likes of it, including pop art, had have infected our human spirits...in these kind of art you will notice that many of the practitioners of the mentioned genre's haver resorted into some kind of nihilism...the worthlessness of life, the glorification of comercialism and imperialism and its products...i have been struggling to redefine what art should be along with many international artists, it resulted into my life's greatest work, the organization of the International imaginative Artists association, with which i serve as its voice, and leader , i also am the administrator of the International Surrealist Association, , so im just echoing myself with my conversation regarding the forementioned subject...
but let me clarify, im not disdaining Ivan's work, he is a great artist...
as for you, your stocks are really great and useful as resources...
i hope you find the courage to present even the most unfinished sketch...remember the works of toulouse lautrec, or schiele, or that of the impressionists...i would love to see one of your works if youd post them here...
btw nice meeting you Ali
G
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Thank you, nice meeting you as well.
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pleasure is mine, i love to use one of your poses for my next series of ink works, i'll let you know after my solo show...be well
G
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a reply i made to your model...hehehe...
the copying of photographs is the most basic lesson needed to be learned by an aspiring artist...upon reaching the point where one could let go of this basic knowledge of "replicating" the already replicated subject whith which photographs had been taken, the aspiring artist seek out new ways and move forward beyond mere photographic representation...true it is acceptable that copying a photographs enebles one to develop the patience and virtue of replicating all diminutive details of the copioed photograph, but the fact is this kind of "mannerism" is so so claustrophobic...i speak of this based on experience...i dont know if you speak by experience at all or your judgement is partly clouded by your admiration of precise technical skill or the bedazzlement of witnessing a seemingly perfect copy of a photograph whith a shallow wonderment that it was made by hand...
if a person can replicate anything it is just that he replicates...he can paint anything based on photographs also since he is delimited to that manner...he doesnt move out of the sphere and explore...
creative artists of the past is known to have explored the possibilities of not staying any particular style or movement of art...by so doing they have been personally making the style and movement their own, in their own imaginative way...
after polishing your skill, where do you go?
if you say this is a training then you are missing the true meaning of what it is to become an artist...you must learn to move...
my dear you should dig deeper in your understanding of art styles and technique...
photorealism's aim is never about capturing the past...consult your books or google it to know what it is all about...
before cameras paintings were never meant to be mere photos...photos are as a genre is done to capture the exact if not ideal or natural image of the subject...it is well known in art history that some of our greatest painters never resorted to capture the exact "photographic" nature of things...take michelangelo, did he captured exactness? but he is a genius...take Da Vinci, did he modelled the mona lisa photographically? but he made one of the worlds greatest work of art...and he did not relied on pure capturing of the subject or the controlled rendering of forms and shapes as the actual subject looks like...in essence to capture nature, one need to abstract from it elements that the artists highlights, making the art more interesting, and making it ART...
now i do not say this because i never liked photorealism as a style(it is not a movement)...
historically the artists who worked in this style said to have declared they rebelled agains formality, when in fact by artistic critical acclaim and inspection, it is all about hyperformalism, it is all about form, detail and manic unthinking empiricism, every leaf every color every blade of grass is obsessively depicted...
the subject matter therefore becomes corny and superficial...artificial, often sterile, no matter how greatly depicted it is...
it lacks a sense of freshness, call it the irony of the subject...the interest it holds, the interest of its power to communicate, not as being there as a copy of a work in photo...it is the same as admiring a chameleon imitating the color of the bark of a tree...of course admiration is there because the admirers knoweth not what they admire and that because they lust to have the same skill as the artist that did the art...this is the problem of the unlearned viewer. Its like a child who saw pictures in a book of an airplane he actually saw and saying hey look this looks real, or a toy model of an elephant and say hey look it looks like a real elephant...the same effects we admire in modern movies...it looks like real...but what is real?
the subject of photorealism is like a catalog of cliches,each more worn out than the next.In any work, even how masterful they are one could never get the sense, the soul of the subject other than to celebrate its materiality, its actuality...it is like admiring a manequin, no life...no spirit...
there is, my dear a huge ocean of difference between styles of art that preceeded photrealism, fact is you tend to equalize all and declaring that they all immortalize history...this is backward thinking...artists, including the photrealist in the USA, when it was formed in 1970's geared towards not capturing the past, which is wrong thinking, but presenting a way how to learn from it and make art today towards the future, surely it will then become past, as all other art movements have become, but the reality is that it is not as you say it was...please read more...
to sum it up photorealism never captures history, it despises its progenitors, but in so despising created a sterile art form making them tounge tied to rely in photographs...photrealism cannot be made without photograps...
and it is not an ARTFORM...
photorealism consist of a detailed imitation of a work by a skilled artisan, i dare call him artist if he dont move out of this "stage"...
Charm has nothing to do with any photorealism work, if you understand your lineage your preference, the true essence of a work of art, and if you know the history of art, and the history of why an art movement is born and died, you might be surprised of what you'll learn and what you'll say when you saw any work of art in any style...
it is in the end a matter of preference...you prefer this so enjoy this...but as an advice seek not to confine your enjoyment to these kind of works...the viewer and the artist must have courage to get out of their preference cages...learn and be wise
G
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Just another case of an over educated art history stooge who thinks there opinion is gospel. Look into any artist work and there will be something that the observer would change, and no matter how small the change it sometimes can be helpful and constructive to voice to the artist. But by no means should you attack an artists work let alone a WHOLE STYLE OF ART!! and then think it would help the artist.
Even though i donβt think it, its like me saying there is know skill to surrealism, which is just as ludicrous as your views on photorealism. As a so called surrealist and a most evident art snob you should know that there are no limits to art and that even a piece of shit on a plate is art, yet you do not class photorealism as art? is this just the age old case of artist envy? you know his brush is bigger then yours, he is less then 20,000 shy or your views when he has over 200 less deviations then you...? XD, that is just sad.
Photorealism is more then a basic art lesson in the linear order of art teachings like you make it sound, once you master realism in general everything els comes naturally and allows you to create more freely. Do you honestly think the realism masters didn't have their ways of what you might think of cheating art, why dont you look that up instead of trying to back up your bias opinions.
Another thing why did you start this photorealism rant on a realism painting? And why on this artist works in general? If you look at his works he isnt just copying a photo he is also adding in his own style and colours, upping the saturation here, muting it there, texture here flatten there, blur here detail there. Why do you have such a thing about using photos for work? How many PHOTO manipulations do you have in your gallery? In the end thats what he is doing on his canvases and they turn out beautifully, ohh yeah he also doesn't need the aid of a computer to do so unlike some.
now i am not going to talk shit about your art and say it is shit because some of your pieces arnt bad, but if i was going to leave my honest opinions on some of your artworks, you can bet it wouldn't be all hugs and kisses, and that i wouldn't have to resort to bad mouthing a style or genre of art to try and prove a point. Stop trying to act like everything is alright and saying peace, I donβt think anyone here asked for your views on photorealism especially ivan, so if you want to be a dick please do so somewhere els and stop trying to defend against so many when you are obviously alone on your side. Ohh and Sorry if I hurt you in anyway or pointed out things you didnβt like, just think of it as critique.
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You should have a career in art preaching.
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haha ha...let me consider that...please, i already kept peace with ivan
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I have to say I strongly disagree with you, photo realism is an art form, and hard one to master well. In addition to the fact that he did it in oil paints, which is such a hard medium to learn.
I'm not trying to stop you from having your opinions, but it seems to me you were just looking for an excuse to be rude. Using big words and long winded orations doesn't make it alright for someone to be rude.
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actually he is just insecure.
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Either way his comment was uncalled for, and rude.
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He's a real BIG gun--of small caliber and immense bore.
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*Snickers* That was kinda mean, but funny.
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the big gun is firing peace doves havent I?
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let it pass sir. look at the date it was being submitted. peace be with you..
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ivan im very sorry, im humbling myself now...i was devastated by the flood here in cabanatuan...i think this was karma on my city and my bad mouth...sorry sa lahat ng immaturity which ive shown...i remain your humble admirer...pray for the people here
Gromyko
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naku ikaw talaga. cyber katuwaan lang ito,no big deal. don't worry, it will all come to pass. Kayang-kaya nating mga Pinoy maka bangon ulit. Good luck at sana maka recover tayong lahat soon!
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masyado kasi kong makata pag nagcomment hindi ko naman kasi ibig pintasan ka o anuman, i keep on repeating na im a fan of my work...if you are to judge even by brushstroke between your work and mine i wouldnt stand a chance against you...salamat, i misjudged your art and you as a person, patawad kababayan...may we all rise like the phoenix kaibigan, too bad you wont be in the book, na delay din kasi publishing ung ibang artists di pa nakakaresponse...next time i'll push na masali ka
sorry ulit
G
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don't worry about it.pacencia ka narin at di ko na halos nababasa mga sinulat mo.limitado kasi oras ko cause wala akong internet sa bahay. nagrerenta lang ako sa internet cafe 8 blocks away from home. Good luck sa show mo!
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yan muna yun...nagkatrauma lang din kasi ko with an art proffessor, i use to make photrealistic work, then he bullied me, maybe perhaps i was unconsciously sinaniban niya,,,pacensya na talaga pati tuloy si Roberta nadamay, uy walang sinasabi sayu si Roberta ha, made up ko lang yun...medyo hard headed kasi ko when it comes to art theory and history and technique...anyways FRIENDS? :hug; 
btw na kancel show ko, barat talaga si bobbit, nung first kami magmit sabi o cge sagot ko lahat ng frame, aba nung pinadalhan ko ng 40 pieces na 30x40 drawings nanlupaypay wala daw xa budget...tama ka pala...mahirap nga kausap umasa pa naman ako, nag invite pako ng mga foreigner, napahiya lang ako...ay naku...concentrate nalang muna ko siguro sa labas ng bansa...inaayos ko yung group show ng IIAA sa germany 2010...mukang di kopa siguro time dito satin...i was contacted by gallerie astra, pero mukang malabo din...
salamat ulit sa pagiging sport and forgetful
g
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hard only for those who dont know its long history...i have no quarrel with you and im not rude
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First off, I do know the history of oil paint/painting because I have taken quite a few art history classes. Knowing the history of something--though very valuable in understanding--doesn't make it any easier to do it. I know the history of war planes, but I couldn't go fly one.
Secondly, you were being rude. I wasn't saying that you are a rude person in general, I was saying that in that instance you over-stepped yourself. It was rude of you.
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Hi osha,
i dont mean to overstep as you think i am...but im saying this first hand because i too have painted photos during my apprenticeship in the past...what i am telling ivan is the worries i had on his choice of subject...that is only my worries and in case youll notice ivan angstly responded to me as if im attacking him when in fact im attacking photrealism because i felt how to be working in that style for commercial purpose, even no commercially you are constrained and delimited to only majestically represent what was already captured...of course skill is necessary...ivan is different his work as i told him which he didnt intend to listed combines photrealism with emotions so he transcended it...i hope i clarify this
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Well, I don't see the need for you to do so, when I don't believe he was looking for intense critique.I am sorry for my misinterpretation of what you were saying. It came across as rude.
Either way, it seemed to me as though you were being hyper-critical and condescending as well, so I don't think that Ivan's response to you was unwarranted. There are ways to give feedback while still being respectful of the artist.
You did clarify your meaning, and I understand better where you are coming from, but I still hold my opinion that what you said wasn't polite.
Have a nice day. I sincerely mean that, I'm not trying to lecture or preach to you and I apologize if it sounds that way.
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i apologize and thats it...i wont be giving any more reasons to criticise
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hey gromyko,
unfair yang sinasabi mo about photo realism. wala kang right sabihing hindi art yun. and to tell ivan you're worried about his choice of subject is very insulting... kung sa iba mo sabihin yan baka iba ang abutin mo. sa art, you really don't have to explain everything. di mo kailangan ipakilala kung sino ka.. ang first is yung impact ng gawa. visual yun eh. if people can't appreciate you're work, well that's inevitable. we don't need to force people to like our art. photo realism is a real plus, because you can easily relate with the normal people who is not as educated as you do sa art. you may think it's basic, but many can't do it realistic enough. and maybe you haven't seen an actual work of ivan. that's poor judgement in your part. di mo kailangan pangaralan si ivan ng ganyan. di mo sya kilala. very offensive yung ginawa mo. you should be sensitive with others point of view. RESPECT others. kalayaan niya yun. kalayaan mo rin mag pahayag ng naiisip mo, pero kailangan mo maging RESPONSIBLE. i'm disapointed you can't see the beauty in photo realism.
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I'm glad you made an apology to Ivan. and I'm sure he doesn't hold any grudges. and still very offending lang talaga when you say your worries about his choice of subjects. hindi lahat ng tao pareho niyo mag isip ng mga art circle visionary groups etc... kung mababaw man para sa inyo yung mga normal, it doesn't mean na di maganda yun or di na art yun. art is subjective. what you said about photo-realism as not art is still absurd. kahit na ano pa man yan, pop art, commercial art, etc. (and to think of it, once you go selling your artworks at the galleries, it's already commercial..) iba iba yan. depends on the intension of the illustrator. at the end of the day, it's just a matter of preference.
alright.
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to end up the discussion CJ, i wont dare to answer any more, it will just end up another lectural essay from me, im very sorry, i thought ivan wouldnt mind my challenging commentaries, i didnt know he'll take it that way...in the first place naman kasi like what i said over and over, its a matter of deeper understanding...your right when you sell art it already is in the commercial realm pero sell or not the fact still remains, when creating a thing itself the creator once satisfied with his work will get a feeling of contentment, but contentment itself is not the end of all experiences, in creating works using photographs, i mean copying photographs as is, the creation is just as is also, a copiuosd laborous skill...this is a fact im stating...ang mentality kasi most of the contemporary artists is that they just create without even having an aim with their work, by aim i mean they just create without even bothering to share why they create...this is the new call...if you are to share, be it symbolistic creations or photrealist inspired you must at least learn how to rightfully defend your work by not accusing someone and saying idaan nalang sa gawa..sure is because pag idinaan nalang sa visual andf not considering all aspects of art, which is not only subjective as you say it is, but also objective, and maniifestive...all previous art movements such as pop, minimal, photorealists, even surrealists, have their own reasons, we have all the necessary knowledge about them, why so laborously copy a photograph when you can copy and imaginatively act upon that photo and make use of the limitless imagination to change it...kung ang intention is just to show how good you are then you will succeed, it is for those who misknowinglyu know art those with shallow knowledge of what art should be...it is in a level of the material the physicality of the object, it doesnt even reach a spiritual threshold which should be the real purpose of true art...look at rembrandt, look at titian, look at miochelangelo...
in the end let me say again i have nothing against ivan, just photorealism, i apologize and i hope this ends now
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CJ
hindi lang ako ang may comment or attack against photorealism...many who believe that art should be redifined also state that...im not saying there is no beauty in photorealism, and im not saying ivan's work is pure photorealism, may halong influences from others ang work nya which i greatly admire...and to trace our discussion it was him who told me to explain why, if i have not been i asked i wont go into lengths...anyways i ended the conversation with ivan with a public apology...alam mo CJ, im involved with the visionary art circle, i dont know if youve read our definition of art, but it doesnt matter, photorealism can be traced back to commercialistic inputs by rockefeller sa america, that is what we are against...but it doesnt mean that to capture the essence of a photo is bad, ,its just a point of view and from my point of view there really is some redefinition needed...and lastly i told ivan his art is different, and my worries are only my worries...nothing more against him...i saw two of his work actual...and i do respect others, problem kasi ivan replied to me insinuatingly...anyways like i said tapos na to, im sorry if i offended ivan...i hope to have peace with you guys...
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visionary art circle what? did it give you the right to tell Ivan you're worried about his subjects? who cares about your involvement in visionary art circle? if you want to earn respect, walk your talks... ingat na lang sa susunod.
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okaY cJ, I SHOULDNT HAVE TOLD YOU THAT...PERHAPS it was wrong for me to mention many references, but the fact still remains...my criticisms are for constructive purposes, never in my words do i mention any derogatory words about ivan, please read my sentences...again im attacking here photorealism, not ivan,is it wrong to say to an artist that you are worried about his subject...in the long line of art history i see many artists commenting each other, dali criticized picasso but they are friends, picasso even lend money to dali just so he could go to america where dali acidly criticized picasso, did picasso responded walk your talk? no, dali talk and talk...if an artist is affected by criticism it only means his confidence in his are is weak...ivan is so great an artist that he doesnt need to react to me feverishly...if i have his talent i wouldnt be defensive...if you embrace the criticism for is positivity it is much better, it means you are eager to listen to the commentator...suppose an unlearned layman commented your work, would you be affected? of course, then you must tell him wthe reason why you made that work...kasi kung puro gawa lang ng gawa or walk lang ng walk baka kung san na mapadpad...what im saying is the eagerness to be sport, to listen to others...of course he has his reasons why he chose to do that way, i mentioned it also so whats the point of being angry?you earn your respect not by just showing people hey im great because you cant do what i can and you have no right to comment me or critic me...ganun ba dapat ang respect na sinasabi mo...should it be like a pheasant is commentating about a god and that the god forbids the pheasant to do so for it is "EVIL"? Cj my involvement with the visionary art circle has taught me to look and interpret things and learn to say what i wanna say differently...it all matters, the nurturing elements that shapes me is important...it gives one an authority to say...to comment...if you know what you say and you follow what you say then that gives you creditable authority over your subject...we should be just laying eggs, we should make sure the eggs hatch well, and we must defend it...open mindedness lang namam yung point dito...why constrict youself to an already ill defined genre, and why not try to listen...if you dont like the critic then wag na sanang pinipilosopo yung sagot...anyways also let me clear that what i said about photorealism as not an art form, kasi sabi nung stock phot lender ng work ni ivan na photorealism is an artform, sabi ko hindi..hindi naman talaga dahil photorealism is a technique it is an art technique...
i'll be stopping now...i hope you understand my reasons
there arew a lot of things happening sa mundo i think we shouldnt anymore bother about this no more...
peace be unto all of you
God bless
Gromyko
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ok.
akala ko tapos na to.
pag di ako sumagot dito, ibig sabihin sang ayon na ko sa mga points of view mo...
sorry, di ko matatanggap sa iba photo realism is an art. including me. para sa akin art yun. sa yo hindi. so pano yun? ibig sabihin ba tama na ko? or tama ka? SUBJECTIVE ang art.
good for you may natututuhan ka sa art circle niyo. kung sa tingin mo may authority kayo mag sabi na di art yun, sa inyo lang yun. sa iba hindi. so, irespeto na lang yung iba.
regarding picasso and dali, how sure ka sa nangyari? are you a first hand witness to all the events? do you know them personally? nabasa mo, sure. may nagsulat. pero, kumpleto ba lahat yun? are you sure hindi naoffend si picasso? nabasa mo puso at isip nila?
galingan na lang natin ang ating mga sariling craft. wag ka na makialam sa iba art. wag na tayong magpataasan ng sarili. mga credentials. who cares? sa gawa pa din makikita yan. hanapan mo na lang ng maganda yung iba para mas matuto ka. ang basong puno, di mo na malalagyan ng tubig.
at sinabi mo "ill defined genre" yung kay ivan? wow men. hanep. wala na ko masabi.
si satanas napahamak dahil sobra siyang nagpapakataas.
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thanks for the lecture sir..
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Don't let him get to you.
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Roshida thank you!
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YOu are so welcome!
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i dont suppose this is a kind of insult to you...Ivan hindi ko intensyon na i look down yung gawa mo, like i said earlier i love your works, would i waste my time commenting if i dont like your works? problem is im just expressing my thoughts, whatever i said i just base on what i have limitedly learned and by experience and from my interaction with some of our world's greatest artists...call me bias on criticizing, but im just expressing what i feel i should tell, regardless of what my critic is you should be hostile, instead embrace what im saying, ako you can criticize me if you like but i wont feel offended, i know you are more experienced in terms of education kaysa sa akin, pero i myself have studied extensively on my own, i encountered and befriended artists from round the world who mentored me, taught me how to deal, look at things differently...im not bragging here, im just merely stating the facts...we are prone to criticism...w2e are prone to commentaries good or bad, it helps us transform, move higher, realize ourselves more...it tends to strengthen us...glorified praise just boost our ego, makes us megalomaniacs, criticism tends to shake us, thereby showing our weaknesses so that when we realize it, we can act on it...you can stick to it or change for the better...
i have no intention of debating you and your art, my battle is not with you...
PEACE Kabayan
g
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Wow! mabuti ka pa.. i am happy for you!
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im not mightily expressing this just to impress, instead consider my words to you as a challenge...even though i live here in the palay province ive grown as a person and as a creator, understanding things differently from over there at the city, i isolated myslef and have made a decision to share my art to the rest of you there in manila when i think i could stand on my own...i have looked high upon your art ivan...always remember that
hope to see you in person, i cki-nan-cel ko yung pagpunata, supposedly dapat now eh may bagyo kaya sa monday na punta ko...pag may time ka i will definitely enjoy meeting you
G
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Wow.
Walk the talk dear, have you notice how you keep talking about yourself here?
I might be igniting the fire in this discussion again, and I know you've already apologized to Ivan but I just want to say that what you did was a bit too much. Do not press your philosophical views to others, not everyone should think like you. Save the long 'art' talks for your art circle and don't dump it on a deviation. And you also made a reply to her model? What were you trying to prove? That was really unnecessary and uncalled for.
Peace.
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i am happy that you feel good about yourself.
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Wow! Now I feel bad=I love your art and I never wrote a 100,000 word love letter like some have
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The Best part of being an artist is you can do just what you want and paint as you want. Others who try and get you to do their thing are just preachers. I stay true to my art and I go where it takes me.
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Indeed!
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