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oil on canvas june 2009Thanks to Alexandra for the reference!!!
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Eh, para kasing yun sand testure ang effect nya
Galing mo talaga, hanip
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ngerks! ganun lang talaga pag makapal yung pahid. salamat ha!
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thanks! i am glad it reminds you of the good old days!
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tol ok itong new work mo ah!!!!! astig
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walang anuman!!! sana magkita tyo pagpunta nmin ni miko sa maynila this coming sat. pupunta kasi kmi sa tala magkikitakita din kmi nila cj!!
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yup!!! un nga pinangangamba ko sana wag nman kasi naiset nnmin sa sked.ung day nyun!!!
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This is so photographic!! I am in awe at your talent and patience!!! That grass must have taken forever, but it was well worth it! Well done!
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Lovely texture, the tufts of the grass bring a smile to my face. It reminds me strongly of Poland for reasons I cannot tell. 
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Wow ! Super as usual ! I tought it was a photo too. I love the brush stokes and the relief effect. It makes me want to return to my old brushes and oil paintings ^^
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Arm in arm with Andrew Wyeth; liltingly beautiful and luminescently powerful...
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yes! Wyeth is one of my inspiration!
Thanks!
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Wow, I love the brush strokes on this one! I really like to see that your style is getting more of a "lose" painterly feeling.
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oo nga, medyo loose na yung brush strokes ngayon, "evolution"...hehe
NICE WORK btw..
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Thanks Soirsce!
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I just got back to the U.S.A.
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wow! welcome back home! I wish both of you the best of life in america.
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Thanks so much! The same to you!
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Absolutely wonderful, it has such calm atmosphere. Excellent painting
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ay ang galing ng palay may snow coat...nice work again my friend...worried lang ako sa choice of subjects that you mostly use...but who cares you made westerners look way better than they are, nice model, nice everything...read the note
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Ang hindi pagkagusto mo Western modelo? Paumanhin para sa aking masamang Filipino, lamang ako gamit ang isang tagasalin.
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actually this boy doesn't like my subjects.
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I'm trying to understand where he's coming from (though tinatamad ako magbasa ng napakahabang thread at di ko talaga binasa, hehe). He's probably suggesting that you should add a hint of Filipino element in your works.. 
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hahaha! that dude? He always wants to be the center of attraction. whenever he goes to a funeral,he's sorry he isn't the corpse.
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oh no i dont mean to say that as if im a racist or something, i just think that the choice of subject in van's art always include westerners and few asians, which is a little bit in a par against my nationalistic ideals, but like i said who cares, ivan portrayed the subject very well therefore eliminating any sense of race or pride...its just my personal opinion to ivan...no big deal...but thanks for the concern though
G
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Nationalistic ideals?... scary!!! and your "westerners" comment... Wow... not cool!
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scary isn't it?! he isn't cool. sounds insecure..very insecure.
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Yeah... oh well, so what are you working on now?, have you seen Steven Assael's work?
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I am a full time painter. So there is nothing much to do except painting. Steven Assael? yes, i also admire his works!
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its not insecurity its actually a feeling of pity for your limited ecosystem
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hahaha!
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and may i ask what proof do you need? do you want me to do painting as you do do you want me to be like hey i can paint every hpto of everythin in earth therefore i can paint all...painting lang ba is just because you want to paint...you paint because you want to paint kasi ang life's motto mo...thats why you are contented at being good, sayo okay na na ganyan ka so you close yourself up with all the praises you are recieving, and turn down any criticism...grow up man
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Ganito na lamang kaibigan, tutal sabi mo sa akin na naaawa ka sakin at ikaw naman ay aking kababayan, pati nga ang pangalan ni mam Bunny ay nadadamay pa sa usapang ito..
Ako na ang humihingi nang paumanhin at dispensa sa iyo kung nasaktan man kita nang labis. Aaminin ko na lamang at sasabihin sa sarili ko na ako'y nagkamali at ikaw ang nasa sa tama..
Mababaw lamang ang aking kaalaman at pang unawa kumpara sa iyong nalalaman..
Sa ating dalawa'y mas higi't kang makabayan at mapagmahal sa ating bansang tinubuan.
Ang aking mga trabaho'y walang kabuluhan kung ihahambing sa iyong mga obra maestra.
...At dahil sa mga dahilang nabanggit ay nawalan na ako nang karapatan na makipag-talastasan pa sa iyo. Higi't kang mas maka-tuwiran at marunong, kung kayat aking uulitin.. pag pasensiyahan mo na ang aking pagka mababa. Mag mula ngayon ay sasaludo na ako sa iyo!
Maraming -maraming salamat sa panahong iniukol mo sa akin.
Suma-iyo ang kapayapaan at tagumpay!
Rumirespeto at gumagalang...
ivan roxas
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ivan,
ako na maghihingi ng patawad sana, siguro nga naging over the top ang criticism ko, pero hindi ko sinasabi na naaawa ako sayo, pasensya nadin at nadadamay pa ibang pangalan,pasensya kanadin at ayaw kopang tumigil ng kadadaldal ko, dahilan kasi hindio lang tayo magkaintindihan, ang tinutumbok ko eh hindi naman kung pano ka gumawea, admitted ako you are a great artist, di ba ilang beses konang inulitulit yon, medyon napikon lang ako kasi medyo papilosopo yung mga sagot mo, ganito lang kasi ko kahit hindi sayo, sa iba ganon din akong magcomment, hindi kasi lagi dapat puro praises lang ang comment diba? humaba na ng humaba tapos ayan ganyan na nangyari...ganito nalang...im willing to make a public apology and recant what i said about you...i never also mentioned my works are greater than yours, hindi naman ako nakikipagmagalingan, kung sa galing kahit wag nang sabihin na magaling ako ayos lang sakin mahalaga ineexpress ko yung mga ayaw at gusto ko sa gawa ko, in your case naman nagkataon na im writting against the fad of photorealism kaya siguro subconsciously nadamay ko yung m agandang work mo...patawad ivan...sorry din sa mga kinomment ko...hope you can forgive me...peace na sana talaga
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i beg your pardon? so you have been following the conversation we had, hmmm...very well enlighten me why it is not cool? btw im not after what is cool or not...what elese would i call ivan's subject? western people are called westerners, asians are called eastern...whats so wrong about that...if you will notice we are talking about photorealism as a style...i made claer my points to ivan that i am not disgracing his art, i dont want another argument thank you
G
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i am not even talking to you. i was talking to the other dude name yatoy.
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then you wronly misplaced your replies to me...
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Ah, I was just curious. 
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lol, ironic thing is that i am doing germanic woodcut effects in my works so talking about nationalism is really bizaare for me...either ways i appreciate you being curios...the pose and everthing in this picture is harmonized...ivan captured the essence well...and the model is very lovely...given the chance i would have chosen the same model...be well
G
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Haha, that is a bit bizarre, but in a way makes a lot of sense. After all, if you are interested in nationalism, it kind of makes sense to learn about and pursue those countries that are very different from your own - thus making even more clear the unique attributes of one's own country.
And thank you very much - Ivan did indeed capture the essence - and truly improved on it.
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indeed, if the suffix ism mean to study then to study not only one's country is the goal of nationalism...know what my only concern with photorealist artisat is that the depiction of the ends of the artwork is as is presented...after being able to capture and improve on a subject what then is left for the artist to do...im not talking about mere technicality or masterful skill, im talking about the question: After this where will you be? will the artist be confined to monotonously portray similaristic subjects in a so called style? style for me must be always open ended and ready to embrace other ideals...im reminded of a river flowing in the wild constantly moving, if style should be compared to this then blocking the river will limit the possibilities of new grounds, new knowledge...now going back to ivan's art, we both know he is technically masterful in handling his mediumwell and in portraying the mood of the subject, im reminded of gainsborough in his works, but the difference now is that how one make one's work geared towards the future? im sure ivan have an answer to that, as i have an answer on my own art...you see when i said to ivan im worried about his subjects, it is a concern artistic wise and not intended to egoistically criticize...its concern about the facts that there are still manhy possibilities, a river of choices which ivan can decipher and learn tediously...after mastery comes personal vision...i myself will be in this kind of search...
thanks for listening
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Well, I am sure Ivan does have his own answers, though I also have some ideas on it. To me, recreating a photo has many benefits, both ideological and practical. The first, and simplest reason is of course to polish skills. If a person can recreate a photograph successfully, then they can do a lot of other things as well. It is like training to be an opera singer - and opera singer can sing any kind of music she wants (jazz, pop, country), but a pop singer could never successfully sing opera. There is nothing wrong with the pop singer or pop music, but a singer from that genre does have to stick to that genre. So, if a person painting can make things look real, they can apply that skill to a lot of other types of painting.
A second benefit of photorealism is that it captures the past. Before cameras, paintings were the "photos." So to me, photorealism and other more "imaginative" forms of art is like comparing studying history and philosophy. Philosophers try to come up with new ideas, new thoughts for the future, whereas historians look to the past. There is nothing wrong with either one. People must never forget history, because it shapes where we are now, and at ALWAYS repeats itself. So photorealism kind of captures the past of painting and art, and thus, it is important as an art form.
Also, there is a sort of charm about paintings, even if it is a recreation of a photo. Photos can be beautiful and amazing, but when you see a painting or drawing that looks real, there is just something so extra wonderful about it.
So, those are my thoughts on the matter. I think all forms of art are great. Do not think in this that I am saying any form of art is inferior, because I do not believe that. I am simply giving some reasons that I think photorealism truly can have meaning, imagination, and purpose, just as other forms of art do.
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the copying of photographs is the most basic lesson needed to be learned by an aspiring artist...upon reaching the point where one could let go of this basic knowledge of "replicating" the already replicated subject whith which photographs had been taken, the aspiring artist seek out new ways and move forward beyond mere photographic representation...true it is acceptable that copying a photographs enebles one to develop the patience and virtue of replicating all diminutive details of the copioed photograph, but the fact is this kind of "mannerism" is so so claustrophobic...i speak of this based on experience...i dont know if you speak by experience at all or your judgement is partly clouded by your admiration of precise technical skill or the bedazzlement of witnessing a seemingly perfect copy of a photograph whith a shallow wonderment that it was made by hand...
if a person can replicate anything it is just that he replicates...he can paint anything based on photographs also since he is delimited to that manner...he doesnt move out of the sphere and explore...
creative artists of the past is known to have explored the possibilities of not staying any particular style or movement of art...by so doing they have been personally making the style and movement their own, in their own imaginative way...
after polishing your skill, where do you go?
if you say this is a training then you are missing the true meaning of what it is to become an artist...you must learn to move...
my dear you should dig deeper in your understanding of art styles and technique...
photorealism's aim is never about capturing the past...consult your books or google it to know what it is all about...
before cameras paintings were never meant to be mere photos...photos are as a genre is done to capture the exact if not ideal or natural image of the subject...it is well known in art history that some of our greatest painters never resorted to capture the exact "photographic" nature of things...take michelangelo, did he captured exactness? but he is a genius...take Da Vinci, did he modelled the mona lisa photographically? but he made one of the worlds greatest work of art...and he did not relied on pure capturing of the subject or the controlled rendering of forms and shapes as the actual subject looks like...in essence to capture nature, one need to abstract from it elements that the artists highlights, making the art more interesting, and making it ART...
now i do not say this because i never liked photorealism as a style(it is not a movement)...
historically the artists who worked in this style said to have declared they rebelled agains formality, when in fact by artistic critical acclaim and inspection, it is all about hyperformalism, it is all about form, detail and manic unthinking empiricism, every leaf every color every blade of grass is obsessively depicted...
the subject matter therefore becomes corny and superficial...artificial, often sterile, no matter how greatly depicted it is...
it lacks a sense of freshness, call it the irony of the subject...the interest it holds, the interest of its power to communicate, not as being there as a copy of a work in photo...it is the same as admiring a chameleon imitating the color of the bark of a tree...of course admiration is there because the admirers knoweth not what they admire and that because they lust to have the same skill as the artist that did the art...this is the problem of the unlearned viewer. Its like a child who saw pictures in a book of an airplane he actually saw and saying hey look this looks real, or a toy model of an elephant and say hey look it looks like a real elephant...the same effects we admire in modern movies...it looks like real...but what is real?
the subject of photorealism is like a catalog of cliches,each more worn out than the next.In any work, even how masterful they are one could never get the sense, the soul of the subject other than to celebrate its materiality, its actuality...it is like admiring a manequin, no life...no spirit...
there is, my dear a huge ocean of difference between styles of art that preceeded photrealism, fact is you tend to equalize all and declaring that they all immortalize history...this is backward thinking...artists, including the photrealist in the USA, when it was formed in 1970's geared towards not capturing the past, which is wrong thinking, but presenting a way how to learn from it and make art today towards the future, surely it will then become past, as all other art movements have become, but the reality is that it is not as you say it was...please read more...
to sum it up photorealism never captures history, it despises its progenitors, but in so despising created a sterile art form making them tounge tied to rely in photographs...photrealism cannot be made without photograps...
and it is not an ARTFORM...
photorealism consist of a detailed imitation of a work by a skilled artisan, i dare call him artist if he dont move out of this "stage"...
Charm has nothing to do with any photorealism work, if you understand your lineage your preference, the true essence of a work of art, and if you know the history of art, and the history of why an art movement is born and died, you might be surprised of what you'll learn and what you'll say when you saw any work of art in any style...
it is in the end a matter of preference...you prefer this so enjoy this...but as an advice seek not to confine your enjoyment to these kind of works...the viewer and the artist must have courage to get out of their preference cages...learn and be wise
G
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