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Published: 2016-04-23 07:57:30 +0000 UTC; Views: 1645; Favourites: 31; Downloads: 1
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My humanized Handplates sketchdump has gotten a bit more attention than I anticipated - it's actually my most-commented-on piece so far, though I'll admit that's mainly due to my habit of replying to feedback. In one comment, I was asked if I ever considered humanizing Gaster, and the resulting seed of inspiration has finally sprouted. This is specifically meant to be based on the Gaster in Zarla's Handplates AU, hence the outfits and missing eye, but I guess he could also work as my general humanized Dadster design with some minor tweaking. It's hard to humanize a character whose canonical design is nonexistent and popularly-believed design is abstract and never seen up close, heh.Obviously, this would have to be before the titular handplates incident. I tried to composite Sans and Papyrus' traits as best I could when designing him, and just like with Zarla, the result was a paradoxically ordinary-looking fella that no sane person would suspect is playing God and torturing the ensuing creations behind closed doors. I have no freaking idea how those hand holes would actually work on a human, by the way - at the very least, there's no way he'd have function in all his fingers with a disfiguration like that.
Drawing this got me thinking... the boys clearly aren't perfect clones of Gaster, so I have to wonder, who else's DNA (or monster-equivalent-of-DNA) were they made out of?
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Doc G looks to be a bit... uh... annoyed...? Irritated...? ...disinterested? But he still looks cool!
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"I'm trying to work you failed abortion stop pestering me."
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O_O wowie... y'know, he'd totally say that tho
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That was the idea, haha.
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Nailed it on the head
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Wow... This actually seems like what they'd look like if they were human. Great job, dude
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Thank you! If you're interested, I've posted other drawings of them as humans that shows them off in more detail.
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haha the hand holes are tricky when you're not made of magic! I'm not sure how you'd do it otherwise |D
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Somebody down in the comments suggested crucifix-like scars. I'll be honest; I was planning on doing that, but I got really lazy toward the end of this so I just put holes in him like "yeah, that's good enough." If I ever make more I'll do something more logical, hehe.
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YES
JUST YES BRO
I'M DYING OVER HERE
I LOVE THIS AU SO MUCH I SWEAR I CHECK MY WATCH EVERYDAY TO SEE IF ZARLA'S POSTED ANY NEW PAGES.
I love these designs, like ohmygod
gaster's face otl i'm dead
This is just fantastic! I love the style, the design, the hair, the AU- everything!
i especially love gaster omg i love that guy
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Oh man, dude, thank you so much! I'm totally in love with Handplates too, despite how often it leaves me emotionally compromised. Sad is just happy for deep people, as they say, hehe.
I really appreciate the feedback on their designs - I'm rather proud of them too, even though I'm still working on tightening them up. I'm thinking of maybe making them into their own original character designs somewhere down the line, after some tweaking, of course.
Your comments are fantastic and give me just the kind of encouragement I need; thanks again!
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You're so welcome, man!! You're humanized versions of these nerds are just adorable!
Oh, no problem bro, you're art is just so great and inspiring!
I really want to draw my own versions of the humanized skelebros too! I have designs in mind, but I just need to find the time. (:
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I'm very excited to see how they turn out; you're a great artist!
Somebody called my art inspirational oh my gosh
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Oh, thank you!
you're very welcome haha XD
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who has put that much thought into how the creation of the brothers worked in this AU. Unless he went right into the genome (or the monster equivalent) and messed around, there would have to been another donor.
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The thing is, I'm pretty sure asking for a donor would have aroused suspicion, especially since he probably was trying to go for some kind of "ideal" genome. Who knows, though - maybe there's more to his plot than meets the eye.
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Therein lies the issue, yeah. The only way around it I can see is if he got to the human bodies and used them. It's a stretch, although I have little issue believing that as the Royal Scientist he can concoct a reason to have access to them. The issue then is that Sans and Papyrus would be human monster hybrids. This might explain what zarla meant with 'special nature of their SOULs' but again, a stretch.
It is possible that Gaster himself has some recessive short genes and he messed around with his genome to get them. No idea how advanced they are in that respect.
'more to his plot than meets the eye', you have some ideas?
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My own personal headcanon (for the game as a whole, not Handplates), is that Sans and Papyrus were created by Gaster Frankenstein-style, and while their SOULs are monster or monster-equivalent, their bodies are not. So far, the best idea I can come up with is they were human skeletons who were reanimated after a lot of modification. Maybe Handplates-Gaster did something similar to that, though it seems unlikely since in Zarla's comics, Gaster is also a skeleton and they're still their own species of monster. Maybe he secretly swiped someone else's DNA without asking - man, imagine how they would feel if they found out and learned what Gaster was doing with essentially their children.
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I don't think that's the first time I've seen a headcanon like that. I can see why you'd come to that conclusion as well, given the large variety of monster body types, why are the skelebros so human like? There's an issue with origin of ghosts, but that's not relevant.
I think it is confirmed, or at least implied, in the Handplates AU that the holes in Gaster's hands came from creating Sans and Papyrus, although why you'd need a sample that big I have no idea.
I think it's mentioned (again, in the AU) that there other skeleton monsters around, granted not many, but they are there. Swiping their DNA would be tricky, unless they were completely out of it or it was voluntary, Gaster coming up with an excuse to need it. And they would be pissed off I imagine if they ever learned about what was happening. For a start what Gaster's doing would never have gotten past a board of ethics, making it illegal, then there's the emotional factor of 'oh my god he's essentially torturing kids, and they have my DNA what the hell?'
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Yeah, that's the thing - almost every other character in the game, major or minor, has at least one other character that resembles them at least remotely (except for the inanimate-object ones like Tsundereplane and Pyrope, but maybe they're their own thing). There's other fish monsters, other lizard monsters (heck, there's a monster in the library who looks almost exactly like Alphys), plenty of anthropomorphic animal monsters, several fire elemental monsters, two monsters that look like they have geometric shapes for heads, several monsters that appear to be just heads, and so on and so forth, but there isn't a single other monster in the entire underground who even remotely resembles a human skeleton. Heck, the fact that they look exactly like human skeletons despite being monsters is even pointed out by Papyrus if you check the Jolly Roger in his room. If they were made from human remains it would, I think, help explain why Sans is so powerful - he has the magical ability of a monster and, in part, the physical matter of a human - and why he bleeds when wounded. It might also explain why he's so fragile, since I can't imagine holding all that power would leave you very stable. Plus, there's the whole thing about Sans being the only monster we don't see turn to dust on-screen - maybe it means nothing, but we all know Toby and his ludicrous attention to detail.
I've wondered the same thing... maybe he needed to "grow" them using his bone matter and needed a specific sample size?
Now that you mention it, there not being very many other skeletons around in the AU does throw a wrench into this whole thing... maybe he preserved the DNA of somebody who's no longer around? He doesn't have any other family according to Zarla and it's kinda implied that he used to have people he cared about who died.
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I've always had my theory about Sans's 'blood'. I know it's been said by Toby Fox that it's ketchup, but it could easily be from bone marrow, which they would probably have if they were monster skeletons or living human skeletons. Although I do question the location, bleeding from the inital cut makes sense, but why oh why is there blood/ketchup coming from his mouth? I don't see how it makes sense.
It might explain Sans, yeah. He's the older brother apparently, so if they were 'made' Sans would have been the first one, then the issues would have been ironed out and you'd get Papyrus.
True, maybe he needed a base other than the DNA. If I remember what I know about cloning correctly, he would need something like an empty embyro to in order to grow them. And monsters being monsters and magic being a factor, the requirements might be different, but overall is why he needed two samples that big.
Possible, we just don't know. It wouldn't surprise me if zarla didn't know. It's implied that he lost people he cared about, it's implied that are other skeleton monsters, but that's all we've got.
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Where did Toby say it was ketchup? Can I have a link?
Cudos to you for knowing that bones actually contain blood; not everybody who I've seen discussing this topic seem to know that. As for the mouth thing, typically, bleeding from the mouth is an indication that one has been injured in their lungs or stomach, and even though Sans logically wouldn't have either, he and Papyrus must have some sort of magic mumbo-jumbo to substitute them since they can eat and use a trombone. If anything, I think the fact that he bled from the mouth supports the theory that it's actually blood: if he had ketchup inside his body, it should have instantly turned into energy like all other monster food.
Maybe he needed a specific amount of bone material for them to properly "grow"? Like, if he'd used any less, their health/size would have been compromised? Honestly, we don't even know for sure that's why he even has those holes in the first place - maybe he needed to use part of his body to cast a particularly complicated spell or something like that.
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I'm being a bad student, I have no reference for that. Okay, disregard that as I don't actually know where it came from. Although if it was ketchup, I would have thought the knife had burst ketchup bottles/sachets he'd hidden in his jacket, still doesn't explain the mouth thing though.
That is a point I'd forgotten about, but they're skeletons, normally they wouldn't have anything resembling internal organs, so to sum up what you said 'magic stuff'.
There is a theory that Sans is actually Ness, hence why he can bleed, but honestly I find that theory to have more holes than Undyne's kitchenware.
In the Handplates AU it's almost confirmed that the holes in Gaster's hands came from creating Sans and Papyrus, I think, it's late and I'm too tired/lazy to look it up. As for main canon, god knows, or Toby Fox, most likely. Technically he is the god of that universe, but let's not go there.
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I meant a spell that was used in the process of making them, sorry for not wording that properly.
I agree with the Ness thing - it has some points to it, but it falls apart if you look at it too closely. My main problem with it is that Papyrus' existence doesn't fit in anywhere, and he's way too important to Sans' character to be disregarded.
Get some sleep, friend, you sound like you need it.
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Oh, actually, before I log off for the night, my sister just posted a journal entry about an Undertale Let's Play we've been planning. If you're interested here's the link to the journal fav.me/da0cy3r
For reference, I'm one with the deeper voice.
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Ah, that makes more sense. It is difficult to be sure when magic is factor. Since magic is variable, and we don't know the magic rules of this universe.
Yeah, it's based on little things that could mean almost anything. The badge in Sans's lab could be anything, but in this theory it's the Franklin badge, there's detail in game, it's just described as a badge you can't take anything from that.
One of my biggest grievances with it is when the part involved Mr Saturn's time machine comes up. At that point, the theory claims that Ness became a skeleton because the time machine can't handle organic material, but bones are organic material.
Thanks, it was good to have this discussion, I enjoyed it.
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I enjoyed it as well, thanks for commenting!
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AAAAAAH, he has freckles just like you said he would. >v< Gosh, he's so... normal looking, too. I mean, I guess that's the whole point and all, but still, you wouldn't think a face like that could do what he does to his two kids. I'd probably think he was cute if I didn't know who he was. ... Okay, I think he's cute anyway, DON'T JUDGE ME. 
As for his hands... I'd say that actual holes probably wouldn't work the same as they would on a skeleton. If you punch a hole through a human in most places, the body would try to scar it over as best it could first. I think you could probably get away with giving him big scars in the palms of both hands (kind of like crucifixion scars, almost, perhaps? It is implied in Handplates that Gaster punched holes in both his hands to do whatever he did to create the boys, so...) that would communicate the same general idea. Or you could keep the holes too, whatever you'd think looks best.
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Hey, I can't judge you if I agree with you - he looks and acts freaking adorable when he's not digging painful medical equipment into the bodies of helpless children. Glad to know I got the idea for him down properly, hehe.
Total disclosure - I had pretty much the same idea for his hands, but I was feeling really lazy toward the end of this and only did the holepunch thing because I didn't feel like designing anything else xP If I ever make anything else with him (which I probably will), I'll update it.
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lol - Sometimes you just gotta call a pic done and move on with one's life. XD I look forward to seeing how you'll do his scars for later pics, though.
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Whoa...interesting take. I mean, little remains of Gaster's canonical personality or traits, or even exists at all, for that matter, but are Papyrus and Sans actually related to Gaster in a genetic sense? Or is that just Zarla's take on them? And yeah, Gaster DOES look like just some other mild-mannered scientist, minus the holes in his hands, of course. One wouldn't expect him to be so...gruesome on any initial glance.
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Canonically, we have no idea if he's related to Papyrus and Sans at all, we just know they have some sort of connection - at the very least, Sans' weapons are called "gasterblaster" in the game's code, and there's more than enough breadcrumbs of information in his secret room/boss battle to reasonably assume there's more to it than that. That said, the little information we know about the man does seem to make the possibility of them being related fairly likely; he's named after and speaks in a unique, infamously-bad font, uses all-capital letters when communicating, has white "skin" and the same inverted-color eyeballs Sans does (assuming that sprite is actually him, of course), and clearly hails from a scientific background. There's also the fact that the brothers apparently "just showed up" out of nowhere one day and have no other family to be found, which would fit into the story of Gaster being spread across time and space so thoroughly that nobody even remembers he existed. Plus, assuming Sans and Papyrus are biologically related, they logically must have had a mutual parent in their lives at some point - otherwise, how would they know they're brothers?
Thanks for the comment, by the way
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...lengthy response, but hey, I'm an academic guy, so long, intellectual rants are common in my experience, both given and accepted.
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