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Published: 2008-11-04 23:48:20 +0000 UTC; Views: 3319; Favourites: 167; Downloads: 31
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Just a thought I had a few nights ago.Edit: The stamp is about word choice. I just don't like when people use "pro-abortion" as a replacement for "pro-choice." They aren't the same! IT has nothing to do with how I stand on abortion. It's about WORD CHOICE.
If the arguments continue I will simply remove the ability to comment.
Edit2- People. This stamp is about WORD CHOICE. It's not designed to support you being pro-choice or pro-life. STOP USING IT LIKE THAT AND TRY ACTUALLY READING WHAT THE STAMP MEANS, JESUS CHRIST.
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I'm totally cool with people calling it pro-choice instead of pro-abortion....as soon as the media stops calling pro-lifers "anti-abortion." Because there's a whole lot more to the issue.
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uumm yes it is. by saying you are for their choice it is saying you are fine with abortion. so while i am not disagreeing with your stance on this, it is the same
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Pro choice =/= pro abortion. I obviously do not like the idea of babies dying, especially from preteens who were just too stupid to bother with birth control. However, I do not think it should be illegal. I hate when people complain about killing kids when they would sit there and let a mother die because saving her might hurt the baby. That just turns women into baby-carrying vessels and that should not happen.
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Fuck the babies. We need population control; they're no more alive than a brain-dead person. Since when do fetuses have thought processes?
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Why is it that religious types find it an attractive conversation, to use a fictional story and a deity, whose presence has not even been proven, as the basis of an argument against pro-choice. One person actually voiced that pro-choice was a benign term for pro-abortion. However, this opinion is based more on ignorance and stubborn convictions than actual fact. People who support pro-choice, believe that women should have the option of abortion in case something goes wrong with their pregnancy, such as the child having a terminal disease or being born mutated, or even having the woman's life in peril. These people are under the delusional impression that humans are empathetic beings. Humans are selfish by nature, and would always opt to save themselves over an unborn fetus every time. To sneer at a woman who chose her life over one that has not even become reality, is foolhardy at best. I ask the person who dares to look down at her, to put themselves in her situation. Would you in fact, let yourself die in order to save a thing that exists only in your belly, a thing that has not become reality quite yet? No, you can say that you would let it live, but the ugly truth is, that you would choose yourself. As you are a selfish person who would also save their own ass over an unborn sparks! For you to say otherwise is a lie and you know it.
As for the other side of this topic. Pro Abortion means that a person believes that all pregnancies should be aborted no matter what, and these are usually the ones who have sex without protection and then whine that they got pregnant. It is these people that you should look down on, not the ones who believe in choice. To take away someone's choice, is like to say to those who are religious, " because I do not believe in your God, you aren't allowed to believe in him either! " See, I have taken away your choice, and you would dare to whine that there is a difference, when intellectually speaking, there isn't. You choose to be religious, despite that there are many who look down on you, they let you have your fantasy and don't try to pass hatred and law down that prohibits you from believing this. It is the same for you trying to take choice away from women. No one has the right to take your religion you say, but then with that same argument that you have presented, you have no right to take my choice!
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I honestly have no idea which argument you are going for, since this is simply a statement about word choice. So will go ahead and say thankyou for the comment.
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I am for pro choice. If I remember this comment correctly, I was trying to say that there is a difference between wanting the option and pro abortion which believes in the destruction of all life.
Pro life wants to take away choice.
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Well then I agree with you. The stamp simply states that people substitute the words "abortion" and "choice" when they are not interchangeable and in no way mean the same thing.
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Exactly. I like to read people's comments, but usually don't participate, because there are a lot of immature people that reply to these things.
I was tempted to reply, because someone on there, had mentioned that pro choice was a benign term for pro abortion. Its not, and I fail to see how someone could think the two are the same?
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Yes, this. I'm so, SO sick of people crying "baby murderer!" at pro-choicers. It's bullshit (pardon) and it angers me that people are still that stupid. You all can be pro life, FINE by me. Just stop with your brainless accusations that all pro-choicers are evil villans that just get out of bed and smile at the thought of a nice spree of baby killin'.
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The imagery of abortion is a wee bit graphic, but as a male, I can not have children, and have no right to protest, and I must let my woman decide whether she wants the child or not.
100% Pro Choice.
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I'm not sure if I'm a bad person, but I laughed so hard I cried.
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Oh I did too when I first made it. People aren't laughing with me though.
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I'll laugh with you. Most people don't laugh with me.
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asdfjkl Thank you. I'm really tired of seeing people going around lumping all pro-choice into baby haters or baby murderers or pro abortion or just... those things that are just out there.
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Really? So there's something special about people's circumstances that make it not an abortion? Wow, how do you become un-pregnant without having an abortion?
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Like I said so many times before on this deviation.
I don't like it when people say they are "pro-abortion." It just sounds stupid, because the word "abortion" and "choice" are not interchangeable.
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so then there is something about having a choice that makes it not an abortion? wow and all this time I thought people were having abortions when they chose to terminate pregnancies!
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Really, it's an opinion.
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but is that opinion correct if either way, it's still an abortion? I can't stand it when in class my instructors stand in the front of the room saying the exact same quote and pretend that cercumstances or choices make it not an abortion. It doesn't matter the situation, it's still the same medical procedure, it's still an abortion and nothing is going to change that. If you support being able to "make a choice", you have to realize that you do in fact support abortions because no matter the situation, it's still an abortion.
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I'm unable to see how that reply makes any sense...
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It's very sad that you think abortion is a joke.
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No, I am trying to get the point across that I don't want to argue. I thought it would have gotten across by now. Until then, .
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You don't want to argue or you don't want to hear any opinions other than your own?
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I don't want to argue. If you don't agree then gtfo off my page and quit picking fights or long-winded and useless debates. Don't be an internet toughguy.
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Eeee, I love it. Ugh, so many idiotic comments up above. I am pro-choice but just because one is pro-choice doesn't mean they'll go ahead and get an abortion like that. This is a very difficult, personal decision a woman has to make for herself. Even if I was like 13 and pregnant, I would find it very difficult to decide whether or not I should get an abortion. Chances are I'd give it up for adoption. Pro-choice does not mean "kill kill murder murder destroy destroy". It means a woman has the right to decide what she wants to do with her body and it's none of anybody's business.
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It's simply about word choice. "Pro-abortion" means pro-baby killing. "Pro-choice" means... pro-choice! It is about word choice, not about the subject. Which is why I think people are being silly over this.
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I like the idea and I agree with it. But sadly, people will still fail to understand.
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People sometimes mix up "pro-abortion" with "pro-choice." They think it's one and the same. All I am saying by making this stamp is that you shouldn't confuse the two. Pro-choice is the belief that women can choose whether or not to keep the baby under the circumstances it was made. Pro-abortion simply means.... ABORT ALL BABIES. Does it make a little more sense?
Honestly, the entire stamp wasn't about choosing pro-choice or pro-life. It was about people who use the wrong words to describe things and end up looking like an idiot.
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I love you for making this stamp. xD
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"Well, itβs time to kill a baby." - lol. I snorted when I read that. I just got this image in my head of some dude in a cubical suddenly saying that, and then pulls out a pitchfork and torch. Awesomeness.
Cubicles aside, I think this sums up pro-choice perfectly. We don't go around calling all pro-lifer's women haters, why should they be able to go around calling us baby haters?
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Well technically it's only "pro-abortion," not "pro-choice." I am okay with people who don't wish to kill. I am just not okay with people who call themselves "pro-abortion" and think it's the same thing as "pro-choice."
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im sorry but its really the same thing. this doesnt mean that every pro choce person is a baby hater or wants them dead. Its about you think its okay for only some to die, like thats really fair >>...It makes no sense. 
Im sorry for 'offending' you but its the thought that you think its ok pretty much agrees its abortion and that its ok but its not...
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NO THEY"RE NOT.
You'll sound retarded if you say "pro abortion". There's no such thing. It's called "Pro Choice", okay?
NO ONE is like "Yeah! Can't wait to kill some f-ing babies!! Lets round up all the pregnant chicks and have an abortion party!!" DX
Yeah, NO.
ProChoice doesn't mean we're FOR abortion. NO ONE is FOR abortion. Okay?? It means we're against making laws that tell a women what to do with her body. Thats the "choice" part
If ProLife meant "I'm against abortion", I'd probably be ProLife too. But is doesn't. ProLife isn't about keeping babies alive, it's about making it illegal for a women to decide what to do with her body. This is a free country. You want to go to a country where abortions are illegal welll you can head on over to South America where nearly 100,000 women die EVERY year from illegal abortions.
ProChoice is about giving a women the right to decide. Not forcing her to.
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deciding to do what exactly? it all adds upto a killed child in the long-run.
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Not nessisarily.
To decide whether or not to have the baby, duh. The choice is up to her. What she decides is not important nor any of your business.
ProChoice is about having that freedom to make up your mind for yourself.
ProLife really has nothing to do with whether a women has an abortion or not. It's about making it illegal for a women to decide for herself what to do with her body.
But as I've said, just because something is illegal it doesn't mean people won't do it.
They're called "illegal abortions" and in countries where abortion is illegal hundreds of thousands of women die from them every year.
In this counrty we offer a safe way if in the case you decide to terminate.
Don't mix up ProChoice with ProAbortion.
The majority of ProChoice people are anti-abortion, meaning they wouldn't have one, nor would they want anyone else to. But they also don't want to government telling women what to do with their bodies.
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Um im sorry but youre deeply mistaken.
Pro Life is not about 'who cant or can have more rights', its about the fact that you shouldnt be able to terminate a life.
Another is that i know about illegal abortions, its sad and sick. Abrtions no matter what kind screw up physically and emotionally a womans body whether they know it or not.
And yes, it is the same thing, if one woman wants to have one because they dont want it is abortion; same deal with agreeing to it. It means that youd have one done if you didnt want it is agreeing that abortion is okay- not that you want every pregnant woman to kill babies. Ive met pro abortion people, including my friend. She thinks its okay but she doesnt go around with banners saying 'Kill the babies'.
And besides, if theres so much 'choice' wheres the childs choice? All they get is the dumpster.
I mean id feel pretty bad if my mother aborted me. Its just about the least human human dignity and respect someone could give.
Besides, there are many heartbroken mothers that would die to have a child and they have to deal with the sick thought of thousands dying because they were unwanted.
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No, you're deeply mistaken.
Stop confusing Anti-Abortion with ProLife. They are not the same thing.
ProLife: I want a law made saying abortion is illegal.
ProChoice: I do NOT want a law made saying abortion is illegal.
It is ABSOLUTELY about rights. You ARE taking away a RIGHT when you make abortion illegal. YOU ARE.
The fetus is growing inside the women. She has every goddamn right to decide what should happen to it. She made it, and if she doesn't want to give birth, then she shouldn't have to.
And LEGAL abortions are for the most part VERY safe. What damage is done? The only people causing emotional damage is the jackass Pro-Life people yelling at the poor women going into the abortion clinic, telling them how they're going to hell, and how they don't deserve a baby.
The right to a safe abortion IS a RIGHT.
Lets just get that straight. ProLife and ProChoice is about the LAW. Not about the life of a child.
Just because the word "Life" is in it doesn't mean the people who are ProLife can act all self-righteous like they're "saving a life" somehow by making it illegal to abort.
We're both Anti-abortion, are we not?
The difference between you and me, is that when I have children I will teach them that having abortions is wrong and I'll leave it at that.
You'll do that AND then try to force the ENTIRE female population to submit to your's and other's beliefs and opinions.
What I'm saying is, if you want to teach your kids that abortion is BAD, then fine. You can teach whatever you want in your own goddamn home. But when you try to FORCE others to do what you believe they should do, you've gone too FAR.
It's absolutely NONE of your business if a women decides to have an abortion. A developing fetus is nothing more than a chemical reaction. All you Pro-life people imagine is some beautiful little fetus with big eyes and a BIG bright future ahead of it. The only meaning a fetus has is that to which we attach to it. A Fetus (as far as we know now) has no feelings, no thought and NO emotions. Emotions and feelings are learned. You can't feel bad if you never existed, hun.
And don't you dare give me that crap about some picky mothers wanting children of their own. There are 5, 388 unadopted children in my state ALONE. What about those UNWANTED children, hmm?
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okay im not like going to harass every pro choice person on the street >>
And yes i am against abortion. And honestly, shes responsable for two lives, not just her own then. If she wants to decide for herself, then she should have the bby and give it to theose who do before wercking anothers life in the process.
And I dont think having any sort of temper with me helps. Think of other places for examle. you need to get your head out of the clouds and look around at the world. And i assume you have no religious help in this either? And think, if you didnt want your child would you have aborted it? I mean look at him or her and honestly say "Gosh yknow i couldve aborted this..."
And when exactly DOES life start then, hun? Its not like the baby is officially a baby once outside. Think, i know its rather gross, but if you were inside another person right now, that youre not classed as a human because youre living and growing in another. Place is irrelevant.
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That's good. I'm sorry for getting mad, but I deal with alot of unadopted children and the mother wanting a child thing really upset me. I'm sorry.
Yes, and because she's responsible for it she has the right to decide it's fate.
Like I said. I would NEVER have an abortion, nor would I tell one of my friends to have one. In fact if I ever got pregnant, even if it was a completely inconvenient time, abortion would never accure to me.
No religious help? I'm not religious if that's what you mean, but I know the bible up and down. Ironically it's because of religion that I'm not religious.
But if you'd like to bring religion into the argument, let me first say that not everyone in this country shares in the same religion and we shouldn't all have to live by it. Remember that.
I could never not want my child. I'm not that kind of person. I can't even imagine not wanting a child.
Life starts when the mother decides, not when some outsider tells her it does.
And if I was inside someone right now as fetus I wouldn't have any thought.
You're the one with your head in the clouds. You need to think about how hard it is for a women to come to the conclusion to abort. You need to understand that not everyone shares your religion or beliefs. You have to stop attaching your meanings to another person's pregnancy. By making abortion illegal you are forcing a women to carry a child and give birth. As far as I'm concerned it's the same as forcing a women to abort.
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well id rather have a life lived than a life ended.
And im glad that we have some sort of mutual understanding here.
Im not trying to rub religion into this like a freak nor would i leave it completely silent.
I just hope that somehow people understand life begins at conception untill natural death...
After all ive met women who have been scared out of their mind, and now im able to see a beautiful healthy baby boy who is loved each day, and i think of that as a gift in itself to even have him.
And im again glad that you cwouldnt consider it, and i pra that others will have reconsidered it.
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Praying for others is fine. Sharing your religion is also fine. But ProChoice and ProLife are about the law and religion has no place in the law, when people don't all share the same religion. Some people don't even believe in God, so it's wrong to force them to obey a god the don't believe in.
I hope people will rethink it when they decide to abort, too. But I don't want them forced to decide.
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Well there should be some sort of Just and unjust policy, that is in fact right and wrong wether they know it or not...
And i just wish that someday pople will open their eyes to the howwro of it. As for now i must go, and hope you well in the future.
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