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Jubilee's ready for some Spring Break fun!*Ink + Marker on 8.5x11 cardstock
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Actually Joe Quesada said that characters age roughly 1 year for each year IRL, though this isn't fixed. which is an integral part of the romance stories that kitty has been in. (Another character introduced as minor)
Kitty has since been referenced as graduating college and shown having intimate relationships with Pete Wisdom and lately Colossus. Obviously editorial wouldn't do that if the character was intended to still be a minor.
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Then Joe Quesada needs to pull his foot from his mouth, because if that was the case, nearly all of our beloved characters would be long since collecting social security or dead. And yes, Kitty graduated from college, and has aged. One of the few. Most people who age need to be in alternate timelines (See: the extended Summers family). How she has aged and not the characters around her, I have actually had this discussion with others on other boards. Answer: Who the fuck knows?
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Actually, most of them have. It's just that going from 28 to 32 isn't as noticable.
or in wolvie's case 200(approximately) to 205(ish)
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Other then your opinion, do you have anything to back that up?
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Could you be more specific?
It seems rather obvious that a person aging from 14 to 18 is a lot more noticiable that going from 28 to 32......
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It would be.
But as I have stated several times already "I understand it is difficult to judge age when the artists sexualize all of the heroines, but in-universe, she is still a minor."
According to the In Universe timeline, of floating goodness, she is still 14. Sorry if that bothers people who want to sexualize her.
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And you still have no proof of the age.....
Yes she was stated as having been that age at some point.
However Joe Quesada said that your idea of characters not aging is Bunk, therefore your conclusion is based on a faulty premise.
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Yes I have. I quoted Marvel's own page, which claimed her early teenager.
Joe Quesada is very wrong. He made an incorrect statement. I am taking your word that he actually said that, as you have not provided a quote or link, but if he did, it was a simple mistake. Marvel has long ago claimed a floating time line, and if their claims were not enough proof for you, simple logic should suffice. Notice how characters introduced in the early 60's are still in their prime of youth? Otherwise, Iron Man, Spider-Man, the Hulk, the (original) X-Men, the Fantastic Four, etc would either be in wheelchairs or dead by now, considering their ages at the time.
SOME artists erroneously drawing her with a more curvaceous form (which is very odd considering both her age and ethnicity), does not mean she has aged.
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Joe Quesada's the editor in chief, thus his word is law. >D
As for you Fantastic Four example, Reed and Sue were originally depicted(60-ish years ago) as being college students around 20-22. Their current depiction is as middle aged parents. which fits perfectly with Joe Quesada's 1-4 ratio. So no you are very wrong. In this case "floating timeline" means that time doesn't progress at a set rate. It varies to suit the story.
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Joe Quesada is a human being and thus can make simple mistakes.
I would also like to point out that the ages of their children, Franklin and Valeria, being in the single digits, would seem to only further back up my "two years at most" theory, and not yours. Sorry mate. I can do this all day. I am a Marvel fanatic.
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How do you figure an 8 year old child can come into existence in only 2 years?
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You are aware that Franklin wills himself different ages at different times, but retains the mind of a child, and often reverts to his "natural state", yes?
Reality warpers can do that. Otherwise...need I even mention the Summers family?
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His sister can't, and she's portrayed as at least 6. Also Franklin hasn't done that recently, and he looks to be around 10. thus his true age is just that, a 10 year old.
The Summers family, no reality warpers there. Just characters that were cloned/raised in the future.
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Ugh, no she isn't at least 8.
And I quote: "Reborn as Valeria Richards, Valeria is currently a toddler." [link]
And the next Phoenix is a "Time Tripper"...
Seriously man, where are you getting your info?
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and the source is Wikipedia....... Not only that a poorly updated wikipedia page.... seriously the biography stops at a point over a year ago IRL.
I get my info from reading comic books. >D Yes, I actually have read the F4 comic book for the last few years.
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Indeed. Attacking wikipedia despite its clear sourcing. I see...
So, it is your opinion that she aged 7 years in a year time span then? Yeah...please, just stop.
As do I read them. So I'm not really sure why you are saying these things.
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"attacking"? *snort* I'm not attacking wikipedia, just your incompetent use of it. You point at a line in the article that was obviously written almost a decade ago(2002 to be precise), and act like it's law.... Um what? Yes it's carefully sourced, but that article is out of date.
At any rate Valeria's actual age is irrelevent(in hindsight it's more like 4-5). Her older brother's is much more relevent.
And like I've said sevral times, not only is your opinion is just that, but it also contradicts official statements by the company.
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Incompetent use of facts? As opposed to what, your opinion?
You honestly think that your opinion based on visual judging over-rides story continuity?
My opinion contradicts the official statements of the company? You mean the ones I have been quoting?
Please, are you just arguing for the sake of it now? Its getting rather tedious...
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incompetent use of facts? Yes. You use out of date inormation as if it was current.
what official statements? the only quotes I've seen are the oness from Joe Q.... who says you're wrong.
And Story continuity? Here ya go: Kitty Pryde was introduced in 1980 at the age of 15. what has the character done since? She's had romatic relationships with Pete Wisdom and Piotr Rasputin. Oh and she worked as a barmaid to help pay her college tuition. what do you think the current age of the character is?
Why am I still arguing? you pissed me off.
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Listen, even if your theory about 4-1 aging was correct (which it isn't), that would still put her at 2, and not 8, as you have stated, going by what your opinion tells you is her age from the art. And if you can't tell a toddler's age from sight, what makes you think you can correctly judge a young teenager? I'd say your judgment is wildly incorrect at guessing age.
Really? Link me to this supposed official statement by Joe Quesada.
As I have already talked to you about this one. I am not sure why Kitty ages and people her own age from the same time period do not.
You are arguing because you have a desperate need to be right in a situation that you are clearly wrong in. Not only have I linked you to official Marvel material several times on the matter, but tried to explain the illogical nature of your 4-to-1 year ratio, as opposed to the official floating timeline.
A few more example to show you; Tony Stark was introduced in comics in 1963. It is now 2010. That is a history of 47 years. If by your theory of 4-to-1 in aging, he would now be 55.
Doctor Strange (also introduced in 1963) would be in his mid sixties.
Norman Osborne would be in his late 60's/Early seventies.
Storm would be nearly 40.
etc. etc. etc.
But they aren't. With the exception of Norman and Strange (who have always been a bit seasoned), those characters are in the prime of their youth. Storm in her late 20's, Tony Stark is 33, etc etc.
A 4-to-1 aging ratio is not possible, and I highly doubt that Joe said such a thing.
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clearly wrong? I think not.
As for your erstwhile examples.
Storm was introduced in 1975. thus the 4-1 ratio would have her as having aged 9 years since then. (35/4=8.75) Thus she would be around 30. Not at all as old as you keep claiming, and perfectly consistent with her depiction in the comics.
Norman "Goblin crazy" Osborne was introduced as a mature adult(with teenage son) so probably mid thirties. That was 1964. 46/4=11.5 Thus he'd be about 45.
Dr. Strange was originally shown as in his late 20-early 30s in 1963, thus he'd be about 40.
Tony Stark also debuted in 1963, and was first shown in his early 20s. 47/4=11.75 Thus making him about 32. which is perfectly consistent with the comics.
You may eat crow now. "Floating timeline" means it doesn't have fixed dates, and that characters don't age in a consistent way. It does not mean they don't age at all.
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Insults. The first sign of a flawed position. I have shown you nothing but respect, and I would hope that you have the maturity to remain civil during this discussion. You disappoint me.
And you have yet to cit your 4-to-1 opinion as an official stance of Marvel, despite repeated requests for such. As of now, I have all the backing, and you have opinion.
As to Storm, she is in her late 20's, early 30's, and always has been. Thus nearly 40.
Norman is in his 50's, having a son in his 20's.
I own the very first issue of Dr. Strange, and he is in his 40's sir, do NOT disagree with me on this point.
And Tony Stark is 33, as having stated several times in his series. So, yes, he'd be 55.
I have already claimed that at most 2 years have passed in universe, so do not put words in my mouth. But this passage of time happened previous to the introduction of Jubilee. And even if she has aged a year (which I HIGHLY doubt), then she is still 15, an age that violates the TOS.
Sorry.
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Really? you consider use of the word "erstwhile" to be an insult? that's kinda pathetic. and respect? yeah right.
your math still sucks.
Explain to me how you got your figure for Storm's age when she first appeared.
Really? they actually stated in the issue what his age was?
And when did they say Tony was 33? His official origin has him taking over Stark enterprises at the age of 21. Even if he was 33 when he first appeared 33+12=45 NOT 55.
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*Sigh
And you STILL have not provided this supposed statement from Joe Quesada. At this point, your argument consists of "Nu-uh, I'm right."
This is the last response you will receive from me until you provide the supposed "official" stance of Marvel. If you fail to reply to this post with said link, or reply and still do not provide the link, I will accept that as your concession, despite whatever response you might give.
Storm has always, ALWAYS, been a full grown adult, even when she showed up in Giant-Size X-Men #1, as were a god number of the "New X-Men"
Yes.
Indeed, he DID take over at 21, but he first appeared having been in charge, well renowned (and well partied) when he first appeared.
Yes, my math was off, I don't know what I was thinking.
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"concession" yeah, right.
Here's the thing, your statements so far have included such things as (paraphrased) "the artists are wrong", "the writers are wrong", and (not paraphrased) "Joe Quesada is wrong". Um seriously, It's their job to determine what counts as right. If you disagree with them you're wrong.
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Thank you for your concession.
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In otherwords, you're an arrogant POS. I haven't conceded Squat.
The best info I've been able to find about the Joe Quesada interview is that a fan asked him about "The Thing vol. 2, #8". In that comic it was stated that Ben had been part of the Fantastic 4 for 13 years comic book time. I haven't been able to track down when/where. And it was "approximately 4" to 1.
Tom Brevoort's take is slightly different: [link]
But both agree that time does pass. Therefore you idea that only 2 years have passed in universe since the 60s appears to be something you found written on one of your nosehairs.
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And back to the actual topic of discussion: Jubilee had a full time job at a halfway house after M-Day. If she was still a minor this would be illegal. Thus it is unreasonable to beleive the owner would have hired a minor, especially if many of the residents were adults.
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*Shrug
Hey, I love your work.
Just when I saw that before it threw me a bit.
This is better.
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I don't care what anyone says, I freakin' love Jubilee. Awesome work.
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X-ceptionally cute, GB! Sexy little bikini she's almost wearing there.
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Awesome--very fun and sexy piece.
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Beads, beads, my kingdom for some beads!
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...With that bikini, fireworks won't bet the only things exploding on Spring break. lol xD Nice work.
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"Wish you where here..."
I really wish I was there with her.
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With the background it almost looks like a holiday card 
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Sweet! Always loved me some Jubilee!
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In the word of master Happosai, "How Sweet!"
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Please do not quote Happosai when talking about Jubes. It's just plain disrespectful. Not to mention creepy.
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I know it's true that it's creepy.
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