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*EDIT: PLEASE READ! THIS IS NOT AND NEVER WAS A "WOLVES WILL NOT KILL HUMANS STAMP" !*I made this stamp wayy back in 2010...and still people cannot be arsed to read what this stamp states. I cannot be bothered to go back and re-word this stamp if I could it would be "Do not demonize wolves". Wolves are natural predators so naturally instead of wasting valued energy they would go for people if given the chance and if given the confidence too! because its "easy prey" espically children (I get that) HOWEVER do not demonize the whole spieces just because of it wolves are NOT blood-thirsty killers they do it, to survive however no animals are innocent little angels either.
so please anti-wolfers go somewhere else and try to stop educating me on what I already know!
*The stats are only based of centeral america back in 2010! these stats would have changed so if you want the newest stats then please go to the international wolf centre.
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Ok the reason I made this is because I'm fairly bored (I haven't got a tablet untill when I get back home). This is also to prove a point, wolves don't really attack humans there have been only 4/5 reported cases of a wolf attack during the 20th-21st century -not death however- (I'm not counting wolf-dogs). I'm not saying that they never do, however the main cause of wild wolves attacking a human is either through a provoked attack or a desease such as rabies which affects the brain.
Here is a small article from the *international wolf center which explains that are wolves dangerous or not [link]
"From the small number
of documented attacks, it can be concluded that
the vast majority of wolves do not pose any
threat to human safety. A person in wolf country
has a greater chance of being killed by a dog,
lightning, a bee sting or a car collision with a
deer than being injured by a wolf."
Say what you will on this stamp as long you comments are respective and before you comment read through all the facts first or other comments which may have already been answered. I do also agree though that as wolves do not really pose a threat to human safety they are still wild animals so I'm not adviseing anyone to go up and hug one, so no I do not consider myself to be a wolfaboo* I love the wolf but I also work on fact.
thanks for reading ^^!
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They don't kill humans. At least not out of attacking them. They will frig people up in defense though.
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THANKS! qwq Thats what I always tell people....
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In America, this is certainly true. But on other Continents, not so much. I personally think people should admit wolves are capabele, and have been, killing Humans for other reasons then fear or illness, and treat them as we do with every man-eating animal: With respect, admiration and a healthy amount of fear.
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i think part of the reason why people think wolves attack humans is that in fairy tales and such they're decipted as evil (eg. little red riding hood, the three pigs, the boy who cried wolf)...
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Actully, its because wolves have been known to attack humans quite a lot throughout History. Not in America, but wolf attacks were once very common in Europe, and they still are in Asia and Russia.
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Also, as idiotic as it may sound, the stories were partly true. Where did These stories originate from? Europe and Russia. And what predator was known to kill Humans a lot during the times they were written? Wolves.
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Actually most fairy tales and stuff like that are based on things humans do. I hope this doesn't sound to strange but, for example, little red riding hood is based on a stalker that wanted to hunt down and err.. do stuff to young fertile girls. The tales aren't about wolves but people.
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Perhaps that could indeed be a factor too. But then again, why not choose a wolf then too? Like I said, as far as I know, these stories originate from Russia. And wolves have a very bad reputation in that country, as wolves have been known to kill many Russian people and livestock.
If I was the one making that story, I would think of it has catching two flies in one hit, as we say here. They took a very bad event, and put in a feared and hated predator in it.
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yup. And over here we say two birds with one stone.
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you're right!
may I use this to my DA journal,please?
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Actually.. wolves are more likely to attack you than a mountain lion or a bear...but that's mostly because bears and mountain lions will run away if you do certent things and mountain lions typically ignore you as for wolves,
they have an aggression level of 8... that's extremely high, Grey wolves are right behind hyenas on the list of most aggressive animals.
just thought i would share a bit.
So are you #TEAMWOLVES orΒ #TEAMHYENAS ?
i am on TeamHyenas c:
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Wolves not wolfs
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whatever troll
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Yeah,he's OBVIOUSLY a troll for fixing your spelling mistake! -_-
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... you are an idiot, aren't you?
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Heh.
Shut* the* fuck* up* I'm*
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stop, fucking grammar Nazis. If I wanted to, I'd spell like a moron and there's nothing you can do!Β
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xDΒ
You're very angry, aren't you?Β
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No, but grammar Nazis are really fucking annoying.
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whatever haterz make me famous xD
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oops i didnt read the stamp rite. sorry
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I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD STAMP!
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this is ture i love wolves i think they attic if you scar them or get to close to their young but so do pets like dogs bite if you get to closs to there young or if you scare them
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no but them and foxes certainly do damage on livestock. ive only experienced fox troubles where i live, but i have some people out in wolf territory. foxes can just take out chickens, cats, small dogs, rabbits, birds, and duck but wolves can even take down people... must be terrible having those things get at the livestock..
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Shoot the wolf in the face then and move on? XD
- This stamp you have to understand is very,very old (like I have explained to the countless number of wolfaboos and anti-wolf people out there). This stamp was basically stating that you shouldn't demonize any animal, they are just doing what they intended to do laws and morality are not apart of their nature either.
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yeah i know. im also saying that theyre still predators, and will still eat what food they can get. be it a dog, a rabbit, sheep, people, elk, deer, mules, chickens, ect.. and yes you would move on if you shot a wolf in the face because you wouldnt need to shoot it again
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Agreed,many people hate wolves because they think they eat and kill humans,which is not true. (Well,hurting humans is defeneatly possible,but it almost never happens)
They dont attack without a reason.
Im glad you understand that wolves dont kill/attack people (sometimes it does happen) and you,my friend are a smart cookie,so you get one 
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the ony reason they dont is because were not an easy target. were just prey, actually. i see no reason why they wouldnt, were easy to kill and reasy to eat.
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true to that,very nicely done on the stamp,and glad to see you did good research
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They have attacked humans before so people should stop denying it but its so rare that mainly the only attacks a wolf have made was for some reason like they were starving or it is sick or they were threatened if I was a wolf and any of those happened to me I would attack a human if I was a wolf, but it would of been cause I had to to pertect myself or keep my self alive.
I love the fact you said hardly cause it makes it all the more true.
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Wolves don't just kill when ill or from starvation, wolves among many other apex predators kill for fun (surplus killing) [link] . There have been some attacks on people where this has been an issue and that the wolf had been a healthy individual at the time.
- It is true that apex predator attacks are rare however they do happen, but over the years attacks are becoming more and more common.
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I know what surplus killing is but its rare for them to attack for surplus killing. Its only getting more common cause they learned that we are easy prey (we are only their prey cause of us starving them by taking their food and shelter) and once on wolf in a pack kills a human the rest of them learn and pass it on to their pups. It happens to all animals, but we can change that and stop takin their food and shelter and not threatin them, and they tend to be frightened off before they can eat there kill.
Most surplus killing of non starving animals is when a human threaten them (even without knowing) and so if they feel threatened then they will attack and sometimes end up killing them and then people start flipping out saying that they are surplus killing.
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In most cases the wolves have moved down near human habitations, wolves do not stay in one area like most predators do they actually spread out and move around. For example the re-introduction of wolves into Yellowstone was a mistake because now the wolves have spread out into new territories that are near populated areas. I wouldn't say that we're taking the wolves territory or supplies they are actually booming in number, if we were making the species suffer to starvation or desperation (to make them attack people) we would certainly not see the large population numbers of healthy individuals today,nor would we see the dramatic expansion of healthy pack territory.
-Wolves and other predators like them have been known to randomly attack people, attacks have happened on hikers who were just simply passing through an area, tourists and children. An animal can attack when it feels threatened however some animals will just attack people, some of these are just unlucky circumstances but they do happen.
"Its only getting more common cause they learned that we are easy prey (we are only their prey cause of us starving them by taking their food and shelter)"
- There are actually healthy numbers of natural prey in all wolf territories, there are no statistics to back up your statement at all. If prey numbers were dwindling you would not see many healthy animals around not just wolves. If anything prey numbers are on the rise, there are plenty of things for a wolf to hunt from/eat.
"and once on wolf in a pack kills a human the rest of them learn and pass it on to their pups. It happens to all animals, but we can change that and stop taking their food and shelter and not threaten them, and they tend to be frightened off before they can eat there kill."
- That's true animals do learn from their elders, hence why when a human mortality occurs wildlife officials will seek out that certain individuals as quickly as possible and shoot it before the dangerous behavior is passed on. As I have stated before wolves are the ones moving down into populated areas due to expansion of territory and on the search for a easy meal. Wolves are getting more bold as the days roll by and sometimes its kinder on the animal to threaten them so that they will not return to that same area.
Normally a wolf will not just let go of its kill, remember that getting food and supplement is do or die in the wild, a wolf would very rarely be intimidated by a person on their own (remember they can take down an animal like an elk a human would be no different, it would probably take a group of oppressive people to drive off a wolf, to drive off a wolf pack in a frenzy would take a large group of people with guns.
"Most surplus killing of non starving animals is when a human threaten them (even without knowing) and so if they feel threatened"
Wolves wouldn't be just intimidated by one person unless the wolf is cornered and a loner (which is hardly the case). As stated these animals can take down moose,elk and drive off bears a lone human/small group of humans would be no problem for them. Surplus killing happens and most of the time its out of fun or to eat/hunt because compared to an elk humans are easy to hunt on/kill.
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God I just realized that you can be in a totally place from where Im at so there might be more wolves where you are, but by me there are no wolves only in the sirounding areas such as Yellowstone and there are accully few there only about three packs there with only about five threw ten members not that many. I know they move but they tend to stay by their teritory. Wolves can feel threatened when, like you said, when cornered or a lone (sometimes that happens accedently) but there are other reasons such as if your by their den or (sense they use body language) humans threaten them in their teritory by some sort of body language someone might have done, we have different body language then they do. Yes they can take down a moose or an elk but its hard for them even in numbers (2-4) and they tend to not want to get into fights unless it dills with their lives, yes they know its life or death in the wild but they tend to stay away from fights and they dont know that they can take us down unless they have before in which yes people kill that individual to make sure they dont pass it on, and about the bear thing they tease bears but they cant do really anything to them without risking their lives in which they value. Wolves only move down to populated areas cause they are being drivin out of their own by people taking their food and shelter. The whole point I've been making the whole time was yes they have attacked and very very rarely have killed humans. They have to leave their kills sometimes cause they have been drivin from it and people find the kill and claim its surplus killing. Other animal do go around surplus killing such as bears, but wolves have a hard enough time hunting and keeping their kill from bears, birds, humans, that they dont just go surplus killing when they need all the food they can get for their whole pack. Bears are loners and have no natural enemies so they arent afraid to fight of a threat such as a tiny human. Read this:[link]
It explains what I mean by yes they have attacked and killed humans before but i'm sticking to its so rare.
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"I know they move but they tend to stay by their teritory. Wolves can feel threatened when, like you said, when cornered or a lone (sometimes that happens accedently) but there are other reasons such as if your by their den or (sense they use body language) humans threaten them in their teritory by some sort of body language someone might have done, we have different body language then they do."
- One wolf pack will expand their territory and youngsters will move and make their own territories outside of their birth pack. A wolf pack will attack when threatened and when not too, wolves cannot read our body language that's true however that doesn't mean they are just going to stand down or run away when faced with an easy meal. Coy-wolves for example have been known to hunt and track humans as prey because of their increased size experts have proven on several occasions that both coy-wolves and wolves have been known to hunt humans this is not freak or threatened behavior at all. A healthy wolf/wolf pack will not back down or feel threatened at all by humans even at den-sites because they have become bolder and DE-sensitized to humans being on their territory. Your statements would have been true to fact if you were talking about 20 or so years in the past.
-"Yes they can take down a moose or an elk but its hard for them even in numbers (2-4) and they tend to not want to get into fights"
I suggest you watch this: [link]
The expert even says "A wolf would rarely avoid a fight over a kill and will defend it until death"
"Wolves fight all their lives to be top dog"
"9 out of 10 kills are successful"
If you were a wolf and you didn't fight you wouldn't survive end of story, yes that video shows a fictional battle but the statistics ring true, a wolf will fight over kills, territory and over pack dynamics. A lone wolf or a small pack will have more trouble bringing down kills however they will choose easier prey options and humans are becoming an option because we are not as hard to hunt as an elk or even a rabbit (if your an unsuspecting hiker).
-"and about the bear thing they tease bears but they cant do really anything to them without risking their lives in which they value."
That's true, however healthy wolf packs have been known to mob bears and chase them away from kill sites.
-"Wolves only move down to populated areas cause they are being drivin out of their own by people taking their food and shelter."
Wolves are not moving down into populated areas just because of that, they are looking for easier options. We are not taking their food and we're not taking their shelter both of these sources are available to wolves however as I said before why chase after an elk, and waste valuable when you can raid bins?
-"The whole point I've been making the whole time was yes they have attacked and very very rarely have killed humans."
Moralities are rare, but attacks are uncommon and they are increasing in number by the year.
-"They have to leave their kills sometimes cause they have been drivin from it and people find the kill and claim its surplus killing."
In many cases that's true because wolves on most attack occasions have been known to physically track, hunt and kill the victim involved that is surplus killing. Investigators don't just assume they know! whats happened at the scene. Attacks from wolves because they were either diseased or threatened are causes, which are becoming more rare the common cause why a wolf would attack a human in modern day times is because its either surplus or for food.
-"Other animal do go around surplus killing such as bears, but wolves have a hard enough time hunting and keeping their kill from bears, birds, humans, that they dont just go surplus killing when they need all the food they can get for their whole pack. Bears are loners and have no natural enemies so they arent afraid to fight of a threat such as a tiny human."
Other animals do go around surplus killing as I stated before ALL apex predators practice is including humans. All animals have a hard time surviving not just wolves (in fact wolves have it easy by being in a pack structure then compared to other animals). I think you will also find that wolves try to harass the bears off their kills rather then the way you put it. Wolves surplus kill there is no less or more to it, its the fact that they practice it and do it just the same as every other predator.
-Bears, wolves and cougars are all natural enemies to each other and I think you find that mother-bears in particular go through hell to raise up her offspring on her own (she hasn't got a pack to look after them).
* The information you gave me is highly outdated and is no longer valid information
"from Wild Sentry's Newsletter #31 - Β© Spring 2001
By Bruce Weide"
-In 2001 wolf attacks were only just beginning to breach (mainly due to re-introduction) and the causes for these attacks were not yet researched in detail or understood. So people assumed it was down to starvation or being threatened however recent research has proven this to be false, even though attacks remain uncommon they are not "rare".
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Every thing you keep sending me is the exact opposite of what I say and the fact that you keep changing your answer every time or repeat yourself. That video was a fake using only some fact into it such as how they work and yes they will attack a cougar when being threatened off their prey but if they know that they cant win in a fight (reasoning for the howl for the pack) then they tend to back off instead of die like that but he had his pack coming. Wolves aren't aggressive like that or at least most wolves only a few are aggressive like that to the point of not backing down from a fight but they tend to be killed sooner or later for it.
The whole time you talk about surplus is almost the same as mine, but they attack humans for food but sometimes before they can eat it they have to leave cause of humans or another animal that drives them off and it would seem as if they just surplus killed cause the body is still in tacked and not eaten just paw prints around it indicating they came and left which they sorta did except for they haven't figured that they or something else pushed them off.
Sorry to confuse you but in my book only to some people when I think of rare I think of uncommon as the same thing, or as they are but I don't normally care.
I done this is boring having to type the same thing over and over just to show I know what I'm talking about.
Most people just want to feel their right so they go and throw all this shit out that's the opposite of what the other person said or the same thing just worded differently, well it annoys me so I'm done but I know exactly what I'm talking about.
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Your not confusing me but your facts seem to be either outdated or on biased reports, I know you know what your on about. I'm not doubting that however you seem to have read a lot of outdated information and not looked into new reports and statistics on wolf behavior, because it has changed a lot in the past year or two.
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Not that much cause wolves haven't needed to change much over the years only enough to continue surviving, and who know maybe I have read some outdated info but I know I have read some resent information too on behavior and on how humans are effecting them.
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I agree with it.
I love how you said hardly cause I love wolves but I cant deny that wolves havent attacked humans before, cause they have but its pretty rare.
I love it.
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THIS
I cant stand Wolfaboos, yet anti boos get at me just as well :/
I like how you presented your research and stated the common facts, well done.
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Thank you! (someone intelligent to actually read what I write)
I totally agree with you, true I do not think that Wolves are the best animal EVA! but I don't think its right to pick them out as " evil man-killers" because most animal species do/have killed humans (throughout the ages it really isn't anything at all new). Though with the anti-boos they seem to think this "She shows a slight affection to wolves SHE MUST BE AN UNEDUCATED WOLFABOO LETS TROLL" XD.
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Sorry to break it to you, but I'm from Alaska and I can tell you these reports are falsified. Seen five wolf attacks in my nine years in Alaska, all of them against children.
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Sorry to break it to you that the facts were not Alaska centric based it was an overall review (They will also now be out of date!) and also if you read the description properly you will also understand that YES WOLVES DO ATTACK PEOPLE! (I get that) the main focus of this stamp was the fact that wolves are just doing what any predator would do (to take easy less energy conserving prey why chase a deer when you can just pick off a small and slow child) HOWEVER what this stamp was getting at was the fact that wolves should NOT be demonized into blood thirsty killers they are only doing what is natural to them however I know that they are not innocent angels either.
Please read the stamp description (and replys to other comments) before you try and throw arguements at me that I already know about and not argueing in the first place please.
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And I quote "there have been only 4/5 reported cases of a wolf attack during the 20th-21st century"
This is false, both from personal experience and the experiences of a great many people I know. Every environmentalist I have ever known quotes this as dogma, but you can ask any old fish and game warden where I live and he or she will tell you he (or she) alone has reported more than that in their career. In addition, I have never seen anyone provide any real evidence of this claim beyond quoting someone else who also stated it without evidence. I criticized nothing more than that one statement, and I did so because I know it to be false.
I don't believe in demonizing any of God's creatures either, wolves run on instincts just like all animals and they aren't to be condemned for any reason. But if you don't want people to point out what is incorrect in your post, then correct it.
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Why are you trying to educate me on facts I already know?
Listen this stamp was made in the early months of 2009/2010 when those facts were infact TRUE however only true to overall stats in America (from a reliable source "the International wolf center) those stats would have changed now due to the population BOOM that wolves have recently had and I know this already.
- "This is false, both from personal experience and the experiences of a great many people I know."
Firstly those stats were only taken from recorded inncidents, to have a recorded inncident you have to go through a lot of things and also their are technicalities between attacks/deaths to minor inncidences that involve minor injuries and not death. So whatever you or whoever may have experienced this propably wouldn't have been put up on "offical stats". <--- so that quote that I put would have been taken from loads of technicalities and so-on I'm not saying that those attacks are less of an importance but thats only on a chance to chance basis.
-"Every environmentalist I have ever known quotes this as dogma, but you can ask any old fish and game warden where I live and he or she will tell you he (or she) alone has reported more than that in their career."
-Of course you would do in wolf country but not all of the inncidents would have been offically documented/recorded or put into statistics that DO CHANGE OVER TIME! I cannot highlight enough that this stamp wasn't created during the massive wolf population boom which is at this moment in time causing issues with more people more then it would have done in 2009. (There are more then numbers that go into statistics)
"In addition, I have never seen anyone provide any real evidence of this claim beyond quoting someone else who also stated it without evidence."
- At the time I quoted this from the International wolf center which is a VERY reliable source but I will repeat myself again times have changed, however the International wolf center do run with fish and game and do not provide false stats.
"I criticized nothing more than that one statement, and I did so because I know it to be false. "
- Statistics as I have now quoted four or more times do not just run on inncidences alone and sometimes they can only refer to one place and to one time and other elements to break it down . All I can say is that the International wolf center never have had duff info before and this stamp was created a WHILE BACK so the stats would have changed so why "crit" me on something that was correct at the time but I know it to be false now? this makes your arguement kinda invalid and pointless.
"I don't believe in demonizing any of God's creatures either, wolves run on instincts just like all animals and they aren't to be condemned for any reason."
- Then why have you bothered commenting when you agree on the main basis of the stamp anyway?
"But if you don't want people to point out what is incorrect in your post, then correct it."
- Because I did this THREE YEARS AGO! the information at the time was correct and I do have better things to do then to go back and constantly update a stamp I created three years ago. Statistics on animals and populations are constantly changing and having to be edited.
At the time all stats on this stamp (no matter how poorly worded) were in fact correct to offical documentation only!
*So please read my edit and what I have replyed to other people before arguing on points/facts that I already know about and understand*
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While unprovoked wolf attacks are rare, they are most likely to happen on women and children.
Because wolves know that they are easy prey.
They don't avoid humans because they're "gentle". They avoid humans because they're fucking pussies and only go after the smaller ones.
Also they smell reallyyyy bad.
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