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Well...Just sayin'.
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I'd like to clarify a few things...
First of all
Yes I understand that PruCan couple be either canon or non-canon, considering the lack of historical background, but also the blog Prussia made about maple syrup. Please take into account, my definition of a crack pairing is:
Not historically accurate, nor backed by the show.
For example:
1. USUK is both historically accurate (colonization, American Revolution, etc) and backed by the show.
2. England-India is historically accurate ("Jewel of the British Empire," the 'soul force' non-violent rebellions) though not portrayed in the show.
3. Greece-Japan is not exactly historically accurate, though it is shown in the anime quite a few times.
Pairings that don't fit this criteria, I see as crack pairings, regardless of how popular they really are. PruCan and Turkey-Ukraine are just two examples of pairings I see as crack, though they have a wide fanbase. I could have picked any pairing:
Iceland-Seychelles. Australia-Chile. Italy-India. Argentina-Germany.
See what I mean?
Second of all
Taking into account the population of the world today which rests snugly near 7 billion, there is a pretty good chance somewhere in the world, there is a happy Turkish-Ukrainian or Canadian-German or whatever else couple. Therefore, any of these pairings could be possible, and to someone writing an AU modern story, it would be inaccurate to claim it isn't plausible.
Third of all
I don't know what Himaruya's intention in creating Hetalia was; whether he intended it to be racist or not is unknown to me.
However, the Hetalia fanbase is one of the most tolerant and accepting I have ever met. Fans of this show can see the good in all cultures, regardless of their history or their stereotypes, because it prompts them to learn more about different cultures and languages and nationalities.
I even became a history major, partly because I wanted to learn more about the cultures Hetalia introduced to me.
Also, since a lot of pairings in Hetalia (canon, and crack) have a wide range of sexualities and genders - boyboy, girlgirl, boygirl, Nyotalia - Hetalia fans are also in general very accepting of different sexual and gender identities.
This is a wonderful thing; Hetalia fans have taken a huge step in accepting love unconditionally and seeing past the differences of nationalities to seek peaceful relationships with all countries.
Now my problem is
With such an accepting community, how can any pairing be ostracized by that? Yes, they may be un-historical, but does that mean they aren't possible today? Yes, they may be "just fictional characters" but are they not based on real countries and real people? And yes, the stereotype may not be true for all people, but all stereotypes have to have some truth to them, otherwise, they wouldn't exist, right?
For example - I'm a Russian born, living in America. I may not be a hard-core vodka drinker, but I happen to love burgers.
A LOT. More than I should...
Also, since the stereotypes don't apply to every single person in a country's population, whose to say there isn't an Australian that could move to Denmark and fall in love? Or A Mexican that could decide to get married in South Korea?
If Hetalians stand for unconditional love, and acceptance of all cultures (which I believe they do) how can they turn around and say a certain pairing shouldn't be portrayed artistically on dA because it's "not canon?"
If you don't like a certain pairing, that is perfectly fine. But please don't complain that it is "spamming all over dA" and that it "shouldn't be on here" because it's not canon.
Because in the REAL WORLD - ALL pairings are canon.
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Also, it can boil an egg at 30 paces, whether you want it to or not, actually, so I've learned to stay away from hens. It's not pretty when they blow.
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:'D someone who speaks mg language!
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I knooow!! Glorious, isn't it~!? ^^
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I'm really happy someone decided to get up and say this. It's always bugging me how people hate Hetalia because it's "racist" or a certain pairing isn't canon.
To say about your "Third Of all", Himaruya's intentions were pure .
One time he did draw OC's for some Africa countries, but they haven't been created. I know a lot of people complain about how Seychelles is bleached in the anime, but the Japanese are NOT trying to offend anyone. They're trying to do the opposite.
Despite how stupid this sounds, :i: THe Japanese were trying to be not racist by making no 'black' characters. (little did they know they're kinda making it worse...) and the whole FRUK vs USUK thing is so stupid. Don't take your idead and shove them down other's throats.
(shoot, i have no idea how to get out of Italics. I'm going to leave now.)
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Thank you for your comment~ And for clearing up Himaruya's thoughts!
By the way, italics are < i > word < / i >.
To be perfectly honest, it seems to me that the Japanese are only seen as racist because they honestly might not know that much about other countries. It's not their intention to be offensive, they just have certain ideas about other nationalities because they might not know any better. I'm sure there are perfectly knowledgeable Japanese people, but they were rather isolated for a huge chunk of their history.
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'Twas nothing. I think it's super brave and cool for someone to say what you did.
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Thank you~ That really means a lot.
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world is just racist.
I stopped fretting that is an english word, right? about parings I dont like long ago. every person has his or her own view on things and loves other things that I do, c'est la goddamn vie. sorry for swearing.
if people aren't happy with your parings, that just too bad for them. and especially in hetalia, I mean come on. I once paired the province of Utrecht (in the netherlands) with denmark and my friend shipped the netherlands with bellarus. who cares? we had hours of fun with that, and that is what it is all about.
and again, the world is just racist.
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True~
I see racism as singling out one or a few particular groups of people, above others. Like the black racism in America or Jewish racism in Germany (from the past).
Hetalia makes fun of everyone, therefore I don't see it as racist.
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You are right 
Plus the humour's great! Everyone makes fun of another, you just gotta learn how to take it and not be so serious about things! It's not like just ONE county is being singled out to be a complete dick and another is being made to look just awesome... they all have their good and bad points...
Sorry for my essy lol :L But I totally agree what you're saying!
I'm so glad I found this show!
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And that is what Hetalia is about - learning about history, respecting other cultures, finding a place for everyone's belief.
It shouldn't be to argue about what's "right" or "wrong."
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"Don't like it, don't read it." That should be the basis for all and every Hetalia fanfic, doujin and fanart. I mean it.
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I agree with all this except for the idea of any pairing in Hetalia being crack. I understand your definition for it--in fact it's one of the best worded ones I've seen for "crack pairings" in Hetalia. But to me, I don't think any pairing in Hetalia is truly crack. Pairings can work based on historical basis or how their personalities mesh. And there's so many historical ties between different nations that people may not realize that they do actually work. One example would be Russia/Monaco. They've had strong foreign relations since the 1800s, only marred when communism took over, but now the relations are back on good terms. People wouldn't think of pairing them together, but it could work.
But other than that, I completely agree with all this! -waves flag in support-
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Ehh, don't hate me but... (and I may have misrread some stuff, sorry!)
In the picture, you say a turk can't marry a ukranian. Of course they can. The hetalia characters are meant to be the representative of a country- a nation. Whether two normal people with different backgrounds get together have nothing to do with nations.
They are free willed to love whomever, but my headcanon does say that they are heavily influenced by their political/history and even more heavily on social/population views on other countries. You can't really say that Japan has a deep love for N.Korea (bad example, but...)
And, no, I don't see disliking crack pairngs as "racist". I think it's a bit too far to say it like that :/
Cause I dislike Prussia/Canada cause I don't think their personalities suit each other XD
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Yes, that was my point. I'm not saying they can't marry, I'm proving why it's wrong to say they can't.
And you're absolutely alright to dislike them~ But to say they "shouldn't" be posted on dA because it's not "canon" is a little hypocritical.
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Yeah, but I think your "because normal people from different countries can marry, like a German and a Brition got together, that means Germany and England can be romantic!" is a tad weak. (ps, Germany and England together are freaking hot, my personal opinion)
Yeah, no couple is "impossible". It's just some have very few things going there way, and sometimes that just rubs people off when peopel keep on shipping them (and forget ships that are better suited- /bricked/)
Huh....I said nothing about they shouldn't be posted on dA. Go for all your might, I don't care, it's your ship and I ain't gonna interfer with that.
Crack or no crack.
I just think it's harsh to call someone a "racist" because they do not support a ship that is not historically or in the anime hints. Just...some people don't like random pairings like that.
....Crap, I'm getting confused.
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Me too...
Hang on, let me think...
Okay. So.
What I'm trying to prove is that, there are so many barriers in the world that no longer exist, that it seems hypocritical to say a pairing can't be romantic. I'm not saying they can or they should, just that it is possible and it doesn't make sense why people might say they're not.
To me, it's the same as the gay vs. straight debate. Straight people have a right to marry, therefore gay people should too. I'm not saying they have to or that everyone from randomly selected countries should just get together and start dating, but that it's possible and should be allowed without fear of being bashed for their beliefs.
I wasn't attacking you personally for saying they shouldn't be on dA; I was responding to things I have heard and read around dA.
Perhaps "intolerant" is a better word than "racist." I understand that some people just don't like certain pairings. What I dislike, is when I ask someone why they don't like it, and they respond with "it's not canon."
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Yes.
Just yes.
This is the best argument that I have seen for crack shipping in the Hetalia fandom.
Words do not do this justice.
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I agree with your statement! I mean some pairings I don't like, only because it's a personal preference, but I don't go around bashing those pairings just because I don't like them. I think liking or not liking pairings is inconsequential What matters is if you are ok with other people liking (or not liking) them.
As far as love transcending all barriers, I am cool with love of any kind. I may not want to really see it (only cause I'm squeemish and can't watch anyone kiss without flipping out) but it's not really a big deal. I have friends in all catagories as far as sexuality goes, so really I'm all for just finding someone who you love and who loves you!
So really I think what you've done is great! As long as you don't take it to an extreme like bashing people who don't like pairings and calling them racist or anything, I don't really think you should push your opinions onto people. If you do that, wouldn't you be the same as the people who are "racist"? I use quotation marks here since the whole racist thing is kinda fuzzy. As long as people are polite and treat people equally, all is good.
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I'm totally in support of being tolerant of all people's views on pairings and stuff, but there is a big hole in your logic here. You write as if the hertalia characters and our beliefs about them as nations is directly related to the actual, living people of that area.
This is NOT true.
The Hetalia nations represent the nation as a whole. their relationships in canon are based upon the political relations of the country's government. For example, I might think that Hungary and Austria are COMPLETELY incompatable, but that doesn't mean that they weren't one empire at one time. Likewise, Poland and Lithuania were once a united force, so I'd assume their relationship would be quite close.
Were there Polish people who were in love with people of other ethnicities? Sure. Of course their were. But hetalia isn't about what COULD have happened on an INDIVIDUAL level. It's about big ideas and general concepts. Because of this, I don't think that Germany would fall in love with Argentina just because a handful of people from their respected populations are in love.
Besides, in Hetalia, it takes more than something trivial to make a relationship. "they're both cold countries" doesn't make a pairing. "They have immigrants from x country" doesn't make a pairing.
not to hate on any pairing or anything. I don't hate people for their ships, this is just my opinion.
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I understand completely~
But to people writing on an individual, in an AU setting, it's a little far-fetched.
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don't really know...
I don't like crack pairings in general; I don't like PruCan or UkTurk, and I don't like USUK either.
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Faving because of the funny joke and the description!
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I. THOUGHT. THE. SAME. THING!!
THANK YOU!
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They all work in history at some point if you really really look for it. I agree with you trust me all of this is just weird. What i comes down to is what you prefer. Just those of us who are UKxUS fans we get the bonus of being cannon as well for current history as well as past history. But I agree it is a little odd people say it can't with obviously it can happen and as far as I know only a few nations are related. England is realted to Ireland N. Ireland, Scotland, and Wales for sure and The Italy brothers are related and the N. American brothers. But as far as I know they are the only ones truely related. Maybe the Korea peeps but we haven't really met them yet haha
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Agreed. Besides, if you look hard enough, you can probably find a historical basis for any pairing.
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The point is, to each their own, so let well enough alone.
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RIGHT ON!!!
though i don't see PruCan as cracky [even when i first heard of it i was like, "hm, that makes sense~"] but i know why people would find it cracky...
personally, i feel they work 'person' wise and 'country' wise [plus currently the few people who still speak Prussian currently reside in Canada~]
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True! I was just using PruCan as an example~
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i completely get it ^u^
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IM WITH YA CHICKY PURCAN IS MAH FAV LIKE A PAIRING FOR THE DANG PAIRING NOT FOR THE DANG CONTRY
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Thanks for the comment!
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U be welcome chicky I agear with ya XD
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Canada x Prussia isn't a crack pairing, really... There are reasons for it which I'm not going to go into right now.
Anyways, it's not that it's racism. It's not that a Turk can't want to marry a Ukrainian because it's racist; it's that they don't like the pairing of those two particular people (countries...). Sometimes people don't like to see two people together and that's okay because it's fictional and everyone has their own opinions.
Hope that none of this came across as offensive
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No, not at all! It's your own opinion~
I just think with the population of the world as it is, there's probably somewhere a perfectly happy Turkish-Ukrainian couple.
And I just used those two as examples, it could be any pairing really. IcelandxSeychelles, or AustraliaxChile or whatever~
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Those pairings are pretty crack XD
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You know.. there's a blog for Prussia, as an April Fool's thing where he went around and was pranked and stuff. One part of it, he got some maple syrup from Canada. Of course, Prussia thought it was a joke, but he tried it when Germany made some pancakes and he loved the stuff. I think that, the fact there's a New Prussia in Canada, and both the characters being loners/forgotten a lot.. I think all of that made the pairing crop up.
It helps that Prussia's seiyuu(the Japanese voice actor) did actually act out the April Fool's blog on one of the drama CDs. ovo
But personally, I got into PruCan because me and my Canada wanted to roleplay something in Hetalia and she said I acted most like Prussia, so.. LOL. Funny how I didn't know anything about Hetalia at first.. and then look at me now. ;v;
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