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GreatDragonSeiryu — Fallout Fan Theory - Is It the Same Power Armor?

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redlightningranger [2024-06-21 20:03:24 +0000 UTC]

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GreatDragonSeiryu In reply to redlightningranger [2024-06-22 00:43:55 +0000 UTC]

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AdrianSherpard [2021-04-30 21:14:38 +0000 UTC]

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Xeredek [2021-02-07 22:28:09 +0000 UTC]

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GreatDragonSeiryu In reply to Xeredek [2021-02-08 01:41:45 +0000 UTC]

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GreatDragonSeiryu [2020-05-13 20:05:31 +0000 UTC]

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DeCardnalstudios [2020-05-13 07:56:46 +0000 UTC]

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GreatDragonSeiryu In reply to DeCardnalstudios [2020-05-13 14:32:23 +0000 UTC]

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GreatDragonSeiryu In reply to GreatDragonSeiryu [2020-05-13 20:04:35 +0000 UTC]

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bastardodcadena [2018-03-24 02:15:28 +0000 UTC]

well sadly The official is fallout 1,2,3 and 4 with "new vegas" are cannon, others are not cannon.
We can think and believe
"Van buren" was "pre-new vegas" (ulyses tribe was still keeping around, ncr and legion still dont fighting for hoover damn, burned man was hangman (maybe this could be changed, could it be Malpais was still in legion)

Brootherhood and Tactics (has some things who mess lore of fallout 3 and fallout 4, so we can take some things of those. Like your theory MidWest Brootherhood has different kind of armor, maybe they copied "the enclave armor" or was the enclave who copy  brootherhood armor

At end we can believe all games "not cannon" could be 50% cannon?

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GreatDragonSeiryu In reply to bastardodcadena [2018-03-24 03:14:38 +0000 UTC]

Makes sense.   It's difficult to say since it's canonical that the X-01 series of power armor which was originally thought to be exclusively post-war was in fact based on the east-coast pre-war design with slight improvements.  Hence the standard Enclave Power Armor and Advanced Power Armor models from Fallout 2.  But then we see the drastic shift between that and Fallout 3.   But then in New Vegas we see the Remnants armor which is the X-01 in a more modernized graphic format. 

So with the canonicity of many of the other fallout games in question since they cover details about splinter factions that are hinted at in other games but not addressed in what's considered the primary canon I can't say with absolute certainty one way or the other.  The real issue is that some players will discredit or outright ignore some games like Brotherhood of Steel and Tactics simply because the gameplay mechanics are so drastically different.   Comparing Tactics : Brotherhood of Steel and Brotherhood of Steel to the original 2 games they are a major shift in gameplay.   But then we get fallout 3, New Vegas, and 4 which changes the formula but definitively for the better for most modern gamers.  

Until Bethesda decides to utilize information regarding faction information or otherwise from the other games that are considered partial-canon or non-canon we cannot really definitively say that the theory is truly sound.    Most likely they used the design from the game files of Brotherhood of Steel as a foundation to create something that worked for 3 since as we've shown the similarities are definitely numerous.  But that does beg the question on which came first.   Since Black Isle sold the rights and only a fraction of the already existing assets for Van Buren and the other cancelled projects existed it's hard to say what was modified and what wasn't.  More importantly it does raise the debate on canon since chronologically it all works out and there are not really any significant contrasts, but it is very difficult to say.

As I pointed out there is a point where the Chicago history just vanishes and there are no longer records of that chapter so that definitely leaves a question or two.  Since we do now know the X-01 was crafted prototype-wise pre-war so there are alimited number of pre war models we can at least assume the enclave crafted their versions from blueprints, who's to say that the brotherhood's unique armor isnt' the same a lesser known pre-war relic exclusive to one part of the country?  

Thanks so much for your feedback, it's good to get some other intel from someone else who found the theory intriguing.   I did post a previous theory similar to this type of reused asset model regarding Gatorclaws and mutant crocodiles so feel free to go check that out and offer your input if you feel like it. 

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NerdArmoury [2017-06-05 14:25:32 +0000 UTC]

Hi really good Theory, but You Missing one Very important Part, in Fallout 2 there`s Advanced Power Armour MKII or if You Want, call it X-02, ant that`s exactly what those Power Armours are, as for Midwestern Power Armour, like You wrote, They Travelled with T51 but after many years they just wore out, but they managed to find a stash of "new" Power Armours that was designed for Private Sector.

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GreatDragonSeiryu In reply to NerdArmoury [2017-06-05 23:37:56 +0000 UTC]

Fair point,  I would gladly agree with that theory if not for the fact that the "Advanced Power Armor Mk II" looks like a slightly improved X-01 suit.    Although to be fair to the graphics capabilities of the time it was probably just a choice to keep costs low and to avoid overtaxing the limited systems.    It is fair to call the west coast versiosn the X-01 and X-01 mk II models and the East Coast models the X-02 series due to aesthetic differences and technical improvements.      Either way I appreciate the feedback.    I just would love to see Bethesda take the original 3 games and expand on them with the new game engine to flush out the lore a bit better and to give the current generation of players an opportunity to experience the old stories with the play style that we've all come to accept and love. 

Since you took the time to read through it all (which I appreciate given how long it was) and offer your rebuttal, let me know if there are any other potential inconsistencies or mysteries you'd like me to do a theory discussion on.   

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NerdArmoury In reply to GreatDragonSeiryu [2017-06-06 07:48:17 +0000 UTC]

True It looks Exactly like "MK-1" or "X-01" bur remember that X-01 is completely different armour, its pre war tech (which I really don`t like how they meddle with the lore and development of power armours) where MK1 and MK2  are Post war. whole R&D research program started in 2198 but the results were worse than pre war tech, in 2215 is the mark where some serious resources are put into creation of new power armour, 2220 first working prototypes are created and mass production of MK1 starts,  followed by MK2 in 2241 (the one from Fallout 3) 2242 after destruction of Oil Rig, Tesla Variant is introduced 

To follow up on the design of mk2 in Fallout 2 true it was just the matter of resources/laziness or similar reasons but yes it was supposed to look bit different, Bethesda, explained that after moving to east coast QUOTE "the Enclave forces who made their way to the Capital Wasteland had redesigned its appearance by 2277" 

its Always a good read, especially if its about Fallout Lore  doesn't matter how long it is  
Would Love to know Your Theory on What happened to Midwestern Brotherhood After Destruction of Calculator, bearing in mind early plans for Fallout Tactics 2 Where Midwest chapter expanded to Florida

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GreatDragonSeiryu In reply to NerdArmoury [2017-06-06 14:42:32 +0000 UTC]

I definitely need to compile my thoughts on that.   Additionally I would not mind tackling the possible connection between the Texas chapter and the Midwestern Division since both share very similar approaches to recruitment and association with wastelanders.    Since I recently acquisitioned a copy of Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel for Xbox I can begin delving into that a bit more and see if I can tie any missing pieces together between them.   It's definitely a project that if I can get all the information together that would make a suitable Theory video on my channel. 

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NerdArmoury In reply to GreatDragonSeiryu [2017-06-06 14:52:45 +0000 UTC]

Never actually played BOS I have no idea what happened there

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GreatDragonSeiryu In reply to NerdArmoury [2017-06-07 01:27:28 +0000 UTC]

Well you can actually purchase it from gamestop and have it mailed direct to your door step.  it's a PS2 and Xbox original exclusive though.    kind of a precursor for the modern ones, but I've never really heard positive reviews for it myself.     But that doesnt' matter to me that much.   

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NerdArmoury In reply to GreatDragonSeiryu [2017-06-07 07:21:02 +0000 UTC]

yeah i know, but dont really have anything to play on, and my laptop wont be able to handle emulators

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GreatDragonSeiryu In reply to NerdArmoury [2017-06-07 14:04:30 +0000 UTC]

well most emulators are a pain in the flank anyways as they require an official BIOS copy from a preexisting system.  at least inr egards to PS1 and PS2 emulators.    But yeah at the very least check out the wiki link about it to get an idea of what it's like.    It's not massively different from Tactics as far as conceptually speaking, but it's worth a read at the very least. 

fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout…

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NerdArmoury In reply to GreatDragonSeiryu [2017-06-07 14:19:48 +0000 UTC]

Yeah Wiki i read thats covered but reading is not the same as playing where you cal learn everything in-depth, True most emulators are a pain, Bios Issues, compatibility issues, and then settings and controllers, but sometimes its worth when Your PS" breaks and You want to have another go at MGS3

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GreatDragonSeiryu In reply to NerdArmoury [2017-06-08 17:08:02 +0000 UTC]

True.   But here I recently started a "let's play" series revolving around the game, I've only done one episode so far but I plan on doing more.   this way you can see it a bit for yourself if you want.    youtu.be/RYAsIpXk-6Q

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NerdArmoury In reply to GreatDragonSeiryu [2017-06-08 20:59:29 +0000 UTC]

Awesome

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