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Actually, it's found in more than 1000 species.
www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scβ¦
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Everything we do is unnatural. Being against Homosexuality simply because "it is unnatural", why don't you give up the unnatural stuff YOU do you?
Cars and transportation
Fast food
Internet
Might as well try to ban them all.
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the point of this was not to say that humans are unnatural but simply saying that people say that being gay is unnatural on a daily basis and alls i was saying is that homosexuality is natural in many species so why do people say its not natural in ours.
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Because most who repeat that mantra are, either willfully or incidentally, ignorant. It's meant to disguise the truth which is that they simply don't gay people.
Even if homosexuality was unnatural, it still wouldn't be anybody else's business. IfΒ homophobes are so concerned with things that aren't natural, they might be better devoting their time to protesting things NOT found in nature, like clothes, clocks, plastic, skyscrapers, governments and...*drumroll*...religion.
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Because only one has the ability to -think- based on their -preferences- and -views-. Animals are too primitive for this, human is on another level. Human is not unnatural he's just above the animal lack of thought. If there were more sapient species then there would be more examples of homophobia. Not that I support it, but this "fact" doesn't really say anything. Homophobia is natural because it's a part of human being. It's as natural as homosexuality.Β
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No, homophobia is not natural. Hate and prejudice is not natural, or in any way excusable. Our ability to reson should lead us to be tolerant and understanding, not bigoted.
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Of course it's natural. All of it is part of human being. Do you honestly believe that one can exist without the other? Sorry but you're just being in denial. Our ability to reason gives us an ability to think for ourselves, thus creating a personal opinion for each person. Every human emotion is natural, and hate is not exception. You just want to think it is. You know, when you close your eyes with your hands, everything infront of you doesn't disappear anywhere, you juts close your eyes.
Learn psychology if you're interested in this subject.
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Well if you want to get technical, then everything is natural because everything on this planet comes from natural elements. "Unnatural" would, in this context, mean that it doesn't come naturally to a person without outside influence. And it really doesn't.
And furthermore, you can say hate is natural, but that doesn't justify or excuse hate. We have the ability to be greater than our instincts, and blaming them for unsavoury behaviour is feeble.Β
I somehow doubt psychology justifies homophobia.
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I never said hate is justified in this particular case. I don't know where and why you picked this up. And yes, everything is natural as long as it is born from a natural cause. Saying something isn't natural just because you don't like it doesn't really make it any less natural.
Instinct does not equal emotion.
It justifies homophobia as a natural part of a human being. Just like any other phobia.
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In which case, "unnatural/natural" is an irrelevant set of words, since unnatural doesn't exist to begin with.Β
Not necessarily, but they are related.
Except homophobia isn't an actual phobia. I think Morgan Freeman put it best when he said "You're not afraid of anything. You're just an asshole."Β
Because that's what it comes down to. Homophobia- heterosexism- is the ugly sibling of racism and sexism; it is prejudice and bigotry for no good reason whatsoever.
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Not really. You're putting everything in absolution which doesn't really support your position in any way. "Natural - Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature". "Unnatural - Inconsistent with an individual pattern or custom."
Who are you to say it's not a phobia? It always amuses me when people who yell the most about supporting gay rights are quite the hypocrites when it comes to what people hate and dislike.Β
So what if it is? That doesn't make it any less natural because it's a part of human nature - to dislike something and stand against something. It doesn't matter how bad you think it is - your definition of good/bad is not shared world-wide. Everything is strongly subjective and relative. I'm not even sure what we're arguing here about. I already said several times that I don't support any anti-gay stuff, so what do you exactly want? You want to persuade me that my point of view is wrong and yours is right? Like the anti-gay people try to persuade the gay people that they're wrong? The analogy rings a bell?
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I really don't see how I am putting this as an absolute. You yourself agreed that everything is ultimately natural. The logical conclusion is that "unnatural" is not likely to exist.Β
Because it's not. A phobia is an irrational fear, the kind that paralyses you with terror. Arachonophobia, the fear of spiders, for example, is a genuine phobia. An arachnophobe who sees a spider will recoil, flee the scene, stand paralyzed with terror or even faint. This really isn't the case with homophobes. They're not afraid, they're prejudiced.Β
"Natural" is irrelevant to moral, good or useful. There is no justifying heterosexism- it is and always will be an irrational expression of prejudice. If you can concede this, I will be satisfied.Β
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No, read carefully why I wrote. Don't put words in my mouth.
What makes you say that? Just because you haven't seen any examples of a similar result doesn't mean there isn't one.
Moral, good and useful are relative things. Someone can justify that, and you can't say that he's wrong and you're because everything is subjective. There is no universal agreement on anything. No I wont, I don't agree with you. You may repeat everything again and again, like you you've done so far, that wont change anything.Β
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So you would say that unnatural does exist?Β
I suppose it's possible in theory, but I doubt that even if it exists, it would exist on a scale that's worth mentioning. It's not like you can actually spot a gay person and then be horrified, like you spot a spider or a wasp or a dog.
Yes, they are relative. What of it?Β
What exactly is your position on homosexuals?
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I never denied it, read carefully...
If it exists then it's worth mentioning. No reason to neglect something just because it suits your position
Since they are relative - no one has the right to enforce his understanding of these things upon others.
I don't care about them.
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If something is extremely marginal, and has no noticeable impact, then it's not really worth talking about.Β
If we went by that, then there would be no reason to enforce law- since it's all relative. Some things must be enforced, and we must set some basis for how people are treated.
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I agree, some laws shouldn't be enforced. But if you decide to live on a territory that is controlled by someone else, you agree to live by their laws, not agree with the laws. If you don't like the laws of the land you live on, you may live. No, enforcing a certain way of thinking upon others is unacceptable. I may not agree with your basis for how people should be treated, so why should I be enforced into it? You only consider the opinion of people who have the same point of view, yet you completely ignore all other possibilities, labeling them as impossible, wrong and without a permission to exist. Such a way of thinking is -exactly the same- as those anti-gay people - both parties try to force their ideals upon others without the agreement of the others.Β
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Laws need to exist and be enforced, for the sake of morality as well as order. You can establish an objective morality, I believe- I would base it on humanism and the welfare of other human beings.
Going by your logic, any amount of bigotry would be accepted. "I don't agree with gay rights, therefore you shouldn't force me to abide by it"- well, what about the gay person's right not to be persecuted, discriminated against, abused?Β
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Laws are based off the social morality norms of a certain territory. So for example in country "A" one thing may be appropriate while in country "B" the said thing wont be. And this is why you cant enforce any laws outside your territory. And so, you cannot force your opinion outside your head onto others, so they may think like you do.
Yes. No one is wrong and no one is right. Everything is acceptable and nothing is impossible. The anti-gay person has as much right to be against this as the gay person to be for it. They're equal.Β
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Yes, but the general structure of law is usually similar, even to that of cultures very different. And enforcing things, that is exactly what the law does.Β
That sort of relativism is, in my eyes, defeatist and also unrealistic. All values are arbitrary, sure, but that's no cause to say nothing is neither wrong nor right. No, the anti-gay person is not equal to that of the pro-gay person. One is a bigot, the other stands up for equal rights.
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