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Published: 2017-03-14 07:24:42 +0000 UTC; Views: 2616; Favourites: 38; Downloads: 0
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I... I don't wanna. I don't wanna fight you! Why are you so insistent on me attacking you or running away? It is bad enough I got a flower spouting that it's kill or be killed down here, I don't need you of all people to reinforce it!I find it funny that a LOT of people kill Toriel their first time. It is sorta understandable since you've been taught that talking to monsters will get them to calm down and thus become able to be spared. But it doesn't work on the one who taught you to do so. And she DEMANDS you to either fight or run away. It's like she gave up on the idea that the monsters deserve mercy. She even acts so cold to the other monsters in the RUINS to the point that they fear her. However, by being persistent on giving her mercy, you can show her another way. Also, she severely underestimate how important her life is. If you do go through with killing her, then Undyne takes the throne, and she's worse than Asgore when it comes to the plan that Toriel wanted to stop... the destruction of humanity. A lot of people forget that little issue, and even draw comics where Frisk willingly gives their SOUL to Asgore.... or go back to the Underground after Undyne is the crowned leader. While freedom of Monsterkind is good... I won't think that Frisk would willingly want humanity to be destroyed. They are determined to go home for some reason, and that could be because they realized they left people behind they want to get back to. If they truly didn't at least have friends, then, that's it, Frisk can stay with Toriel. Got a new mom... Wait... Why not have the ability to recruit Goat Mom? You NEED her to stop Asgore peacefully. Maybe... because Frisk's memories gets erased of this method so they can't do it... You can't be determined if you know that you can't do this journey on your own.
Now, onto the model! I actually have a few work in progress pictures for this one: sta.sh/22brlv79ar5y I don't know why I don't for the others. Oh well. You can also see prototypes of other characters and a look at a future upload.
Made in Blender.
Toriel TM Toby Fox
Model made by GuardianMobius
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Comments: 272
GuardianMobius In reply to DeleteVirusCatchPKMN [2017-03-16 16:56:12 +0000 UTC]
By any chance you would want some pie? I will be making some shortly.
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DeleteVirusCatchPKMN In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-16 17:11:42 +0000 UTC]
Nah I'm full, thanks anyway
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GuardianMobius In reply to DeleteVirusCatchPKMN [2017-03-17 01:25:04 +0000 UTC]
Alright.
This may be a weird question, but what routes did you take my child on?
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DCLeadboot [2017-03-14 09:08:21 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Please don't make me fight you... I don't want dust on my paws... least of all, Goat-Mum's...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-16 08:10:49 +0000 UTC]
Oh my. You're...
Pardon me. By your reaction... are you a puppet master? Have we met before?
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-16 11:44:14 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Maybe in another place and another timeline... one that ended happier than the one I've been hearing about here... ;;
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-16 16:51:30 +0000 UTC]
Ah, yes. You're the puppet master over another Frisk.
Or is that guide.
I'm sorry. Just when Sans and Frisk told us of the existence of you, how you make choices for Frisk and their guardian angel, I didn't know what exactly to make of it until he used a certain metaphor.
You would be the puppet master and the guardian angel would be the strings making Frisk the puppet. The guardian angel allows you to interact with our world through Frisk. What do you think?
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-16 17:05:20 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Well, I prefer the term "guide" - I don't like to sound like I'm treating the child like some sort of slave, but rather pointing them towards the right path.
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-17 00:56:47 +0000 UTC]
How splendid. I am glad that you are helping Frisk to be a good child.
Although...
I am sorry...
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-17 02:18:13 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Aww, no problem! You had good intentions! *offers a hug*
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-17 02:32:36 +0000 UTC]
...
Thank you.
It's just that if I hadn't challenged Frisk...
None of the events that happened after my passing would have happened.
And I learned from looking into your world that... having my dust on their hands because of your actions is common.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-17 02:35:23 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Well, here's hoping that with Determination, we can undo the mistakes of the past and set things right...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-17 02:57:11 +0000 UTC]
Right.
... Do you know why it is common to have that... that mistake with me?
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-17 12:19:42 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: I guess because it's not clear how to handle a fight the limited Act options don't immediately relieve the situation? When Mercy doesn't seem an effective option and running away doesn't progress things, what else can you do but Fight, hoping that might persuade someone you're strong enough to survive and all they have to do is acknowledge it and stand down... I didn't expect a slight scratch to turn into a fatally critical hit! Talk about a curveball... it's lucky I saved before that first ever encounter...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-17 17:03:11 +0000 UTC]
I see. My child had the same problem. The only difference between you and the one that was controlling my child is that you went back before any damage had been done.
You care to go back undo your mistake.
The other, according to Frisk, got too distracted by the Skeleton Brothers and SAVED after their interaction. By the time they realized they could go back by...
Terminating... it was already too late.
I, for one, don't agree with this. Frisk at the time wasn't the power holder but someone like you, so Frisk didn't know the world could have been reset. Did you always know you could reset our world? Why would someone just continue after such a mistake?
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-17 17:47:04 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Ignorance, I guess... certainly I've always been in the habit of regularly saving progress and going back on a save if I didn't get the outcome I want... many examples of that.
In Age of Empires III when I take on an enemy colony and find to my utter disbelief that my strong and well-equipped army gets wiped out entirely because the pre-programmed campaign scenario has some in-built cheat where the computer endlessly respawns soldiers... or in Tomb Raider, I am searching for every single optional collectible in an area but then find according to my pre-recorded information that there is something I may have missed and I must backtrack to search for it because I'm a fastidious completionist... and indeed, Undertale, I accidentally... errr, did that to you... and had to reload because I didn't want to leave a black mark on my Pacifist run...
I still had no idea what to do. I had to ask a friend how I was supposed to spare you, and she explained like it was obvious!
Heh... always my trouble... often times, when puzzle-solving in some adventure game, I find myself stumped and then discover that the solution was so ludicrously simple that I'd dismissed it as too obvious...
Still had a bit of a freak-out when Flowey called me out on my actions... like somehow he knew what I'd done... and it didn't help that I couldn't reach you on the phone to reassure me you were okay...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-17 19:07:29 +0000 UTC]
: I see. So you have built up that skill over the course of playing several games before you stumbled onto ours.
: If only we had you instead of the other one. You'd treat us and our children better.
: It is still a bit strange to me I am talking to someone who sees our world as just a game on some computer, to be honest.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-17 19:11:02 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Kind of tricky with Undertale... you guys are so well-written, I feel like you're more than just a videogame in some ways...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-17 19:33:20 +0000 UTC]
: To us, it is our world... our lives. Some people don't understand that.
: I am glad you do.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-17 19:48:03 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: I always had quite the imagination. I'm a big reader, and I like to immerse myself in the worlds...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-17 23:29:27 +0000 UTC]
: Ah, I am a avid reader myself and I know the importance of having a good imagination. It allows you to empathize with the characters in the work, care about their plight, and want to see them succeed. For that, I am grateful to know you.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-17 23:50:42 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Thanks! And you too!
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-18 01:43:59 +0000 UTC]
: I am wondering something... I'm sure that you know of the promise between the both me and Sans, right?
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-18 02:37:07 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: To watch over the next human to appear, aka Frisk?
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-18 02:49:34 +0000 UTC]
: Yes... Has your Sans taken good care of your Frisk?
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-18 10:22:44 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Yup. Invited us to dinner a couple of times... we talked... ate nothing... and he told us he was rooting for us... also did that whole spooky "hollow eyesockets" thing while warning how we'd be dead if not for your promise...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-18 23:26:54 +0000 UTC]
: Really now.
: Did he do anything to make your journey easier?
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-19 00:48:49 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: I'm not sure if he was doing anything behind the scenes, but we did share a few interesting meetings in the Judgement Hall... a friend of mine had told me how he notice my "time travelling" and give me the key to his room to "learn the truth".
Oh, I do recall a couple of helpful moments... like when he was selling hotdogs as healing items. And earlier still, when he was... asleep at his guard-post... which distracted and annoyed Undyne long enough for me to reach Hotland.
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-19 02:10:01 +0000 UTC]
: Oh, that was the same as our Sans before the current timeline, right down to the key.
: ...
: (Sigh...) I know why he was acting so apathetic now. Being trapped knowing that things would reset and even knowing that death of the human doesn't matter as long as they stay determined...
: But I would have expected him to put a little more effort in keeping them alive.
: You see... the puppet master who was controlling ours wasn't that... good at it.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-19 11:10:37 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Yeah... I know my Artist gets very apathetic about looking for work because he's been long-term unemployed for years...
But indeed, keeping Frisk alive isn't easy. We don't find bullet-hells very easy... though we did succeed in wrestling control of the game back from Omega Flowey within one or two attempts! Our Dutch friend was impressed, watching through Steam's live video-feed feature...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-19 18:02:40 +0000 UTC]
: I see.
: Well, as my child would say, "stay determined." I couldn't help but to notice that your artwork grace the pages of books. Have you considered being a long-term writer and illustrator? I've been getting into these E-books lately... Maybe you could produce ones of your own?
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-20 15:34:48 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Well, actually... there are a few projects in the works. That harvest mouse Boaz has one book out already, with a second in the pipeline for Amazon... and maybe I'll get something out there one of these days too...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-21 01:50:01 +0000 UTC]
: Splendid.
: As for Omega Flowey...
: That is very impressive you were able to take care of such a terrifying creature in such few tries.
: I've heard of and seen a drawing of the creature from Frisk. I would say that Frisk had an active imagination...
: If we didn't meet him ourselves.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-21 09:16:24 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Heh, didn't Sans encounter him in another timeline? I recall from a Genocide video that he'd caused Flowey "more than [his] fair share of resets" - he also called me out for watching a YouTube video instead of having the guts to attempt a Genocide for myself...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-21 17:43:27 +0000 UTC]
: The thing is, according to Flowey's own confession, he had never gotten Asgore to show where the SOULs were held until Frisk came along, and Sans wouldn't remember the encounters...
(Suddenly Sans!)
: ! :
: but he surely remembers me. funny. i wouldn't have gotten that confession if it weren't for frisk managing to turn their phone on during it, and then in the current timeline having the same model phone i could tap into. and yeah, it was freaky on our end too.
: i got it recorded.
: Sans, could you not pop out of nowhere like that.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-21 22:47:27 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: *jumps at Sans' abrupt appearance, but giggles at Toriel's reaction*
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-21 23:34:06 +0000 UTC]
: sorry tori, but i couldn't help but to notice you were talking about me.
: Anyway...
: You know how the... what you call it... Pacifist ending goes, where we go to Asgore, Flowey absorb the SOULs and captures us to absorb our SOULs?
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-22 00:26:52 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Yes, indeed... it's the True Ending that I aspire to...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-22 01:47:49 +0000 UTC]
: Thing is... we tried to recreate that in the current timeline, but Flowey decided to do something else.
: He actively hindered us from getting to the throne room to stop the fight between Asgore and a possessed Frisk, and then after we stopped the fight and got Asgore's memories back to him, Flowey...
: went into his full Omega Flowey form.
: it was a crazy time. wish you were there.
: probably not because you'd be controlling frisk, and they already had problems with that.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-22 02:26:19 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: My, what a convoluted plot... *holding his head, having a migraine and smoke coming from his ears*
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-22 02:37:13 +0000 UTC]
: well, i'm not the one who been resetting all over the place. frisk's in other stories had like... hundreds of resets, or saw all the endings.
: we're LUCKY that we got one who stopped after three resets.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-22 09:02:43 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Maybe so...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-23 02:24:08 +0000 UTC]
: Personally, I don't find much value in two of the timelines.
: Since they are short for me.
: But having the two endings of the Pacifist Route does help a bit.
: And the current one was... interesting.
: Think... Pacifist Route, but Frisk having much more freedom in what they say or do. Also, we are let into what's been going on under our noses, and later with memories of the previous timelines. Think of the possibilities that brings.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-23 11:54:02 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Expanding beyond the confines of gaming code, the possibilities are endless...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-23 19:06:00 +0000 UTC]
: yep. ah... to be on equal footing with flowey...
: somewhat.
: we only had three timelines to work with while he had SOOOO many more and they couldn't save memories from flowey's timelines, only their own. in fact, it was frisk's own LACK of what they know that pegged em as, while being an anomaly, not the one that i was looking to stop.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-23 20:14:41 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: Just what happened with those timelines anyway?
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-23 21:20:07 +0000 UTC]
: In short, in the first one, I died, Asgore died, and Undyne took the throne because my child was being controlled by a cowardly fool who didn't grasp the concept of staying alive well.
: And possibly wanted to get that ending.
: don't forget flowey died, thus no reset from him. i have the phone call: youtu.be/xCm-D26sE8s?t=5m7s
: you kinda know about the other two already and the order since they are the two extremes. but... i gotta stress...
: do not underestimate the neutral endings. time doesn't stop here after you put the game down.
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DCLeadboot In reply to GuardianMobius [2017-03-23 23:44:23 +0000 UTC]
Danbuster: *shudders* Ah, yes... sure glad I didn't let those neutral endings rest... even if my one had Toriel take charge until Flowey reminded me to renew my old save file and "be better friends with Alphys" leading to the True Pacifist path...
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GuardianMobius In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-03-24 04:16:51 +0000 UTC]
: Aside from what happened with Asgore, I kind of liked the Queen ending.
: I did the best I could to undo the damage the Humans as enemies policy did, made the Underground as inviting as I could for if other Humans fell to there, and our people were better off than what we were before.
: However, of all the timelines to be reset before a new human fall to the Underground, it had to be this one. Effort wasted.
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