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I... I don't wanna. I don't wanna fight you! Why are you so insistent on me attacking you or running away? It is bad enough I got a flower spouting that it's kill or be killed down here, I don't need you of all people to reinforce it!I find it funny that a LOT of people kill Toriel their first time. It is sorta understandable since you've been taught that talking to monsters will get them to calm down and thus become able to be spared. But it doesn't work on the one who taught you to do so. And she DEMANDS you to either fight or run away. It's like she gave up on the idea that the monsters deserve mercy. She even acts so cold to the other monsters in the RUINS to the point that they fear her. However, by being persistent on giving her mercy, you can show her another way. Also, she severely underestimate how important her life is. If you do go through with killing her, then Undyne takes the throne, and she's worse than Asgore when it comes to the plan that Toriel wanted to stop... the destruction of humanity. A lot of people forget that little issue, and even draw comics where Frisk willingly gives their SOUL to Asgore.... or go back to the Underground after Undyne is the crowned leader. While freedom of Monsterkind is good... I won't think that Frisk would willingly want humanity to be destroyed. They are determined to go home for some reason, and that could be because they realized they left people behind they want to get back to. If they truly didn't at least have friends, then, that's it, Frisk can stay with Toriel. Got a new mom... Wait... Why not have the ability to recruit Goat Mom? You NEED her to stop Asgore peacefully. Maybe... because Frisk's memories gets erased of this method so they can't do it... You can't be determined if you know that you can't do this journey on your own.
Now, onto the model! I actually have a few work in progress pictures for this one: sta.sh/22brlv79ar5y I don't know why I don't for the others. Oh well. You can also see prototypes of other characters and a look at a future upload.
Need to do base for alternate outfits later.Made in Blender.
Toriel TM Toby Fox
Model made by GuardianMobius
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Danbuster: Sorry about that... but indeed, the Returned Queen ending seems to be as positive as it gets for a neutral run... at least Asgore would remain the only casualty... and not even at my own hands! I was always willing to spare him, except that pesky flower came and frigged it up each time! Hmmm, but were you ever able to forgive him for what he did? Asgore I mean...?
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: It's alright... Just knowing that the other ending was extended to the point it did bothers me.
: as for the king, frisk stressed that they spared the king every time, too. that's why they tried to find an alternate way by getting our help. they knew their efforts woulda been in vain otherwise.
: ...
: I actually did reconcile with him. It happened when we were free the first time. You see... we shared the same set of friends and Frisk, Alphys, and Papyrus sat us both down and helped us work through our issues.Β
: And then the reset happened.
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Oh dear, so you were back to square one again...?
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: Well, we would be if it weren't for Frisk.
: Even before remembering that we did reconcile, I pitied him when I heard about the lengths that Asgore would go and how I abandoned him and our people...
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Yeah... I always rather felt sorry for Asgore. He may have made some foolish choices, but his actions left him stuck in a hole... having to put aside his own feelings because he had to serve his people...
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: Yes...
: well, what would've you expected? you're really the brains behind the throne. that means you had the power to stop it before the humans fell to the underground and frisk wouldn't have had as much trouble as they did.
: You have been talking to Garrison haven't you?
: yep. venders talk.
: Oh, but I'm not the only one who just let them die over and over.
(Tensions rise.)
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Oh dear...
Errr, but who's Garrison...?
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: Oh.
: Ha ha ha. I misspoke... I meant Gerson. He's the vender at Waterfall. The old turtle? I am sure that you met him during your journey.
: heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.
(With a little mistake, tensions fall for now.)
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Oh yeah, who could forget the cranky old man?
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: yep. gerson's another person that frisk pays attention to. y'know of the prophecy of the angel?
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: well, frisk heard about it during their second timeline (mercy run) and met the angel of freedom, which ended up being asriel.
: so, when it came to their third timeline where that prick tricked em into killin' us, they remembered the prophecy's other side... the angel of death.
: since they didn't want to kill everybody (they only did what ever the prick said cause they promised to bring SAVE points to the surface), whatEVER the outcome of our fight, they'll reset.
...
you get what i am saying? if they didn't have that mercy run...
: T h eΒ A n g e l Β o f Β D e a t h Β w o u l d Β h a v e Β e r a s e d Β u s Β a l l.
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: yeah... speaking with frisk and chara was REAL informative on how screwed we woulda been. to think there are you guys who START with the genocide run, never giving us and frisk a chance.
i, uh, thought that it was a linear progression. y'know? people gettin' the neutral endings warming up to the idea of murder, but... frisk's timelines proved me sooo wrong.
: Sans? Are you alright?
: seriously! you guys thought EXP and LV are experience points and character level?!
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Under normal circumstances... yes, I would think they are...
Most RPG games see you earn XP for defeating enemy demonic forces, which levels up your character to become stronger... same applied to Lara Croft in those new Tomb Raider games as she transitioned from a frightened young woman to a hardened survivor fighting for her life against a bunch of fanatic goons dedicated to their crazy cult...
Even Age of Empires III sees my New World settlement earn XP for actions ranging from managing trading routes and collecting resources, to defeating enemy settlements... all of which goes to levelling up your Home City so that you can unlock new Export Cards to be used in future games, so you have more variety of back-up resource, tech or personnel you can send for...
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: that's... unsettling... so you're predisposed to see enemies to kill.
: wait... how come you hadn't given in to the temptation of gaining EXP and LV in our world with that background?
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Well, besides having been introduced to the Undertale world by a friend and having some slight previous knowledge... Toriel was a good role-model. She taught me to face encounters with Actions rather than Fighting, by trying to talk to a mute Training Dummy.
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: ! :
: (huh... i wonder our player talked to others and thus they didn't go all violent on the first thing they see a froggit.)
: Oh, I try my best to do my best to be a good role model. Hahaha. Did you know that you can bored the Dummy into leaving?
: frisk got so much of a kick outta tori's reaction that they did it twice. they even gave me an impression so i could join in the fun. it was hilarious.
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That and I found I didn't want to hurt these guys...
And I hear the Dummy can get bored... though I never really did it myself...
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: It was like...
: . . .
: . . .
: The next room awaits.
: we heard that you can also bored the glad dummy during the geno run too. it is as funny and will count as sparing him, thus ending the run.
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Oh really? I wouldn't know... I never really touched the Genocide run...
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: yeah. frisk didn't do it, but we looked it up.
: heh heh heh heh heh...
: well.... hey, it won't be something they will ever experience for themselves, since there has been a change to the promise between me and tori at frisk's request. if things would reset again, and frisk and chara, either by their own will or they're taken over by the player again, would ever kill again...
: Sans won't need to keep the promise to protect them. Protection of innocent lives would be more important than protecting the life of one who would end them.
: However, this won't be to get their SOUL, but to get them to either reload to their last SAVE or to reset and steer them back on the right path. If we are on the surface, we'll focus on incapacitating humans who would do harm instead of killing them because they won't have the power that Frisk and Chara do.
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Heh, that would certainly safeguard against a lot of bad endings...
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: And if I remember to, I will also destroy the exit of the RUINS if they get a hint of LV. No "proving if they are strong to enough to survive," just it would be their punishment.
: Oh? Sans have taught each of us how to judge them based on execution points and Level of Violence and we've developed ways to protect ourselves from attack.
: I admit that I am not as nimble of Sans, but I think I developed a way.
: To think that he knew all of this alone and protected us from the truth for so long.
: Not anymore.
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Ah... so he's teaching the other monsters to dodge in battles too? Not just "stand there and take it" when it's a human's turn to attack? Because I did kind of wonder about that. Because generally, attacks only get landed because the target is a mook too stupid to dodge... or has armour so that it has no effect anyway, and you have to work around it... or else smarter foes dodge or move erratically, making it harder to land a blow. And then, of course, bosses these days are generally tougher so that finding a weak place is part of the puzzle.
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: yep. you shoulda seen frisk's reaction when they went over our fight. it really caught me off guard when they said "I'm sorry but... HOW COME YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN DODGE!?"
: it wasn't "how can you dodge" or "shouldnβt you just stand there like the others?" or "hey! thatβs cheating!" it was a question of concern. all throughout the third confession, they were distraught about how easy it was, so when they went over how I dodged their attack, they were frantic like i unlocked the answer to everything. there were a few points in their confession that were atypical behavior for an anomaly, but this took the cake.
: wow... they truly do care.
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Hmm, it's like Lara Croft says in Tomb Raider 2013... having survived an attempted assault by one guy and killing him in self defence, she becomes distraught... but as there's still some work to be done to escape, she then has to "man up" and fight back to survive...
When she later speaks to her mentor over her radio, she admits it's scary just how easy it becomes to kill...
So indeed, monsters also have to realise how easy it is to BE killed, if they don't do all they can to survive when they must...
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: well, uh, that's how Level of Violence works. the more you kill, the easier it is to distance yourself, and the easier you can bring yourself to hurt others. this Lara Croft is displaying normal behavior that aligns with gaining EXP and LV.
: however, frisk in the third timeline had an atypical time. the comment of easy wasn't on how it was to bring themselves to hurt others, but on our behavior of not blocking or dodging their attacks. in fact, it wasn't easy for em to bring themselves to hurt others at all. while on the surface it may look like a buggy Genocide Run, down below, the LV didn't work as intended and thus didn't feel the distancing effect, so the last kill hurt as much as the first. thus they had so much guilt and grief that well... look at this.
* Sans brings up a report from a machine that tracks time anomalies. He flips through them until he goes to the current timeline, and from the beginning of the Ruins to the end of Snowdin, there are far more jumps that indicate Game Overs than what should be normal.
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Seems like he sure died a lot there...
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: all of those were on purpose. every monster who died in the third, they game over on in return as self-punishment. they couldn't do it on my brother even if they wanted to and i had to ask em to stop...
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Here's hoping that made Frisk's puppet-master Kellon ragequit and leave them alone...
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: this was after frisk was already free. they already cut away from kellen to reset the third timeline.
: frisk truly thought that they were responsible for those monsters' deaths, having forgotten that they were controlled.
: forgetting the controller was supposed to help frisk move on to the surface so they'll be able to continue without you.
: but this made em carry the burden that kellen gave em.
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: the sucky thing is, i SO wanna give a reason why you suck speech to the parties involved with what happened, but i can't cause one knows that they suck, the other would try to deflect it, and the other other is gone.
: (sigh) oh well.
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Well, water under the bridge now...
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: yep.
: ...
: Well, I am thankful Frisk is recovering nicely from their ordeal. It helps them to know that they are not alone in it, and we will be prepared if those terrible things happen again.
: It is also nice to know that frisk have been getting better with their dodging since I know a certain skeleton is tracking their progress and would be in big trouble if they get hurt under his care again.
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Heh, talk about responsibilities... no wonder you hate making promises...
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: yep.
: but uh... i know i'll keep 'em anyway...
: just put more effort into it since i KNOW our frisk is worth protecting. no doubt. plus, it helps that we're in control of the anomaly now.
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Yeah, that helps a lot...
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: Something tells me... that someone is having a bad time.
: Sans, could you check on Frisk. I'll be able to carry on the conversation over here.
: sure thing, tori.
(Sans disappears.)
: Ah. Just you and me again. Let's start with a simple one. I know that ours chose cinnamon every time, but which do you prefer, cinnamon or butterscotch?
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Ah, that's a somewhat easier topic...
But yeah, cinnamon's good with apples... though it shouldn't be taken by itself, I think...
I do like butterscotch, though...
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: Yes, ground cinnamon should never be taken alone. However, I have seen humans do such weird challenges with it.
: Don't they have anything better to do?
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Only the other day, I saw this YT video of a Top 10 list of silly challenges that could potentially kill you... some of which have led to fatalities, too!
Just for a few asinine moments in the sun, is it really worth the trouble?
I prefer to give my spare time over to art and illustration, except mainly the weekends are my gaming times.
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(I like Top 10 lists. Link me. X3 )
: Please never show that video to Undyne. She is still... a bit of a challenge seeker.
: We already have to make sure she and Papyrus don't wreck the house.
: At least Papyrus would help to clean up guaranteed.
: I am glad you use your time constructively, and that you found us during your gaming sessions.
: I hope you are getting plenty of sunlight too.
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(Video here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qiVXX⦠)
Heh, I certainly know that Frederick has a similar problem with Danbuster. Being a March Hare, he's rather a loose cannon at times, especially in early spring... fortunately, living with him for years, he's earned a high tolerance level and knows just how to keep him under control...
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(Wow. Some of these I knew about, and all of them are quite dumb. Lots of suffocation. Darwin Award winners here.)
: Oh boy. Would you imagine the types of shenanigans Undyne and Danbuster would get into?
: Undyne thinks that throwing a couch, roughhousing, making puke based puzzles, and almost setting the house on fire are fun. "Almost" because Asgore and I ensure to keep any fires under control. It makes life... interesting.
: At least she does have her calmer side when it comes to playing the piano.
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(Natural Selection's finest...
Lord knows...
His style of crazy tends to involve making up terrible puns, so that he can laugh at people's pained reactions... and running headlong into some crimefighting adventure without thinking it through! Usually, it's left to Frederick and Spencer to do the thinking and reign him in...
True though, Danbuster is actually a very good pianist himself! His playing style is a little erratic, but at least wildly waving his arms about actually works for him... used to take piano lessons myself, but I kept playing with my computer instead of practice, so little came of it after several wasted years and Danbuster eventually ended up inheriting some of my better points as well as exaggerating a few bad ones...
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: Hee hee hee. Well, puns are my, Sans, and Chara's kind of humor, so there would be no problems there. As for not thinking things through, that reminds me of Papyrus at times.
: You sure remember that he tried capturing Frisk, and during the fight, reconsiders if it was not the right course of action?
: I am sure glad that his brother and Undyne helps...
: At times.
: It is wonderful that Danbuster plays piano too. Just imagine a jam session with Danbuster, Undyne, and Sans. That skeleton sure plays an excellent trombone.
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Heh, heh... that could sure make an interesting piano duet...
Possibly with them and Sans' trombone... and possibly the homespun talents of Frederick's foster-family, the Wilkinson otters? They can play a bit too... form a sort of country band...
(Even if that is based on a rather old submission now... 30'000 Pageviews Celebration )
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