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Published: 2012-03-28 00:00:38 +0000 UTC; Views: 30607; Favourites: 1783; Downloads: 103
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I think that mindset is complete and utter bullshit. In the end, who's not going to Hell?You're supposed to be nice and kind, like they told you to be, right? Not spiteful little bitches that say everyone is going to hell for not thinking like you. Hell doesn't even exist and if it does, then I'd rather hang out with Lucifer than god.
What else should I add to this, guys?
EDIT: People who can't read: nowhere did I state this came from the Bible and nowhere did I state that all religious people think this way. You silly, illiterate people. c:
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wow, your argument skills SUCK and I should be saying that about you. I just proved your quote "facts" wrong and you're the one showing arrogance. some inferiority complex you got there
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You are, frankly, one of the dumbest people I've come across on DA.
Are you even reading any of your statements? I'm honestly leaning toward the idea that you're just trolling now, because it stretches the limits of imagination to believe that someone this dumb can dress themselves in the morning, much less use a computer.
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yes I am. As of yet this person has produced no legitimate proof to support his claims and when I ask for it, he backpeddles
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I think that in order to find it worthwhile to provide proof, the person has to demonstrate a basic understanding of science, logic, rational thought and common sense, which you have not.
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hello white knight. Goodbye white knight.
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Fail troll is fail. You are a troll... right? Birds that evolve from dinosaurs are not dinosaurs, alligators that are from a separate lineage are dinosaurs? Read that question a couple of times and see where your logic is flawed.
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No, I think you better reread that. My point to this person is that there isn't a single species of dinosaur alive today. Every species has evolved from them and thus descended from them but they're not dinosaurs.
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So you're saying birds evolved from dinosaurs, but aren't dinosaurs? Birds are dinosaurs, because they did come from dinosaurs. Unlike Alligators which split into crurotarsi from outside of Dinosauria. Dinosaurs and crurotarsi (plural?) are both archosaurs, but they split from it. Dinosaurs evolved from archosaurs, thus they are still archosaurs. Get it? Velociraptor evolved from a dinosaur, so it's still a dinosaur, ornithischia and saurischia evolved from dinosaurs, so they still include dinosaurs. Why are birds any different?
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Members of Crurotarsi are referred to as crurotarsans.
It now refers to a different, larger group, so just use Pseudosuchia instead.
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Ahh, thanks. I should have known it was crurotarsan... ugh brain fart. And I know the recent change in interpretation, or whatever you call it, with crurotarsi. But it is the most basal branch in archosauria that separated it from dinosaurs, but I should have referred to avemetatarsalia for dinosaurs, but then again... He may have gotten the notion than pterosaurs = dinosaurs, if he doesn't get it right now.
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if you wanna go by that logic then we're all dinosaurs. Just because birds evolved from dinosaurs doesn't make them dinosaurs just the same way that we are not dinosaurs
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How the hell are we all dinosaurs!? Are you saying we evolved from dinosaurs? We evolved from mammals, thus we are mammals, and mammals evolved from reptiles, not archosaurs or dinosaurs. DERP
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again, the point I'm trying to make to you is that everything alive today evolved from creatures that lived in the time of the dinosaurs.
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And not everything that lived in the time of the dinosaurs was a dinosaur. Mammals lived back then, as did pterosaurs, amphibians, pseudosuchians, insects, echinoderms, protists, everything! How does that have anything to do with us being dinosaurs if birds are dinosaurs?
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because birds are not dinosaurs. they, like everything else is a decendant
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Everything else is a descendant. Meaning everything descended from dinosaurs. Descending meaning evolved from. So everything evolved from dinosaurs? So we are all dinosaurs if birds are dinosaurs? This is what you mean by descended right? Because we descended from earlier mammals. Earlier mammals lived in the time of the dinosaurs. earlier mammals descended from protomammals, which existed before dinosaurs. Birds are still dinosaurs, because they descended from birds. They are still saurischians. Really trying my best to understand this flawed perception of yours.
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ok I don't think I can make this any clearer so listen up. Birds are descended from dinosaurs just as we are descended from earlier mammals which came from dinosaurs at one point. We are not dinosaurs and neither are birds
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Mammals did not come from dinosaurs. Just sayin'.
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dude, this is over a year old and is no longer relevant.
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Of course we are not dinosaurs. We're related to dinosaurs(very distantly), but our common ancestor goes further back. Birds are considered dinosaurs because it's monophyletic classification. Your logic implies that once an animal evolves, it rejects their ancestry. We are not dinosaurs because we are not in that lineage.
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Mammals never came from dinosaurs...
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so you think that mammals evolved from dinosaurs? Oh the derp levels here... Explain how mammals evolved from dinosaurs, please. We've been providing countless arguments that you just throw aside. Please inform me where in dinosauria mammals evolved.
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Erm, NO. You have an erroneous concept of dinosaur that I'll explain in more detail in a few minutes; I hope to solve this argument.
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Welp, already explained by Dracontes: Dinosaur is an specific group (Megalosaurus+Iguanodon), and that includes birds, but it doesn't include mammals, any mammal ancestor, crocs (or any croc ancestor), pterosaurs, marine reptiles, lizards... you get the point...
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We are not descended from dinosaurs, we are decended from early mammals that lived at the same time as dinosaurs, which are decended from reptiles that lived BEFORE the dinosaurs. It's right there in front of you, and you're ignoring the guys statements.
Conversely, birds ARE descended from dinosaurs, so they are dinosaurs.
Simple.
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(...) just as we are descended from earlier mammals which came from dinosaurs at one point.
Which is a factually wrong assertion as far as I can tell from current scientific consensus.
You seem to be hung up on a definition of dinosaur that is askance to how Dinosauria is more commonly defined today by vertebrate paleontologists :
Dinosauria( Passer domesticus + Triceratops horridus )
Which is a mathematical way of saying Dinosauria is the monophyletic node-based clade that includes house sparrows, Triceratops horridus, their latest common ancestor and all descendants of the latter.
Don't think that this just some clever trick: the reason why most paleontologists don't keep to the old definition, ( Megalosaurus + Iguanodon ), is because the evidence that birds are descended from dinosaurs, and are indeed dinosaurs, is incontrovertible . As such the two definitions end up producing the same grouping and scientists favored the one that reflects the current content of Dinosauria explicitly.
I hope you can see that nowhere in the above links it is said that mammals were ultimately evolved from dinosaurs. We are synapsids not diapsids .
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Are you gonna insist that evolution is a lie everywhere? I mean I can expect your opinion, but you're kind of pushing your theory onto others. :/
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well thats because every1 is givin up dump comments and thinking thy r smart because they dont belive in anything but sience
sientest ardy found out that evo. is wrong but they keep on covering the facts form ppl
thy cant even give 1 good proof for there theory
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What are the "facts" being covered up?
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1. LEARN TO GRAMMAR
2. So you believe that all this time on Earth NOTHING has EVER made any progress? Yeah, great theory.
Evolution is happening all around us. They're not hiding the facts, you're just ignoring them.
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--> 1. i know 4 languages i dont need too learn this
and yeah there is no progress, a tree didnt turn into a dog.
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LOL, no one ever said a tree turned into a dog. As I said, you're ignoring the facts. No, fish, over time, evolved into reptiles which on their turn evolved into mammals-- some, at least. Thoss mammals then proceeded to evolve into the many species of animals, including ourselves.
I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong or anything, but don't push your own opinion onto others. Also, if you decide to say something is definitely not true, at least do your research before doing so.
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im not pushing im tellin the truth
no tree didnt turn into dog but they formed from primeeval times soup of whater and dirt
and the first life-thing turnd into a tree a dog a human a spider a rock a banana an apple
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Wait a second, did you just include a rock in your list of living things....?
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..... Wow, you really haven't done your research, LOL.
If that was what I thought evolution meant, then DOH I wouldn't believe it either. Look up what actual evolution is before cracking it off. :/
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lol i could say that to you too
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At least I've done my research on both the Christian theory and evolution before believing in anything. :/
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yea sure... whatever dude
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can you give 1 good proof about adam and eve? NO
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just anwser that question
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This is like arguing with a rock (which you seem to think is a living thing). Your lucky these people are even bothered to try and put you straight and using up their time when they could be doing something useful. We have tonnes of evidence for evolution like the diversity of species and how some of them can be traced back to a common ancestor and fossils etc while you have one book. It doesnt even say in the bible that dinosaurs lived in the garden of eden as no one knew dinosaurs even existed at that time!
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and i guess that you dont celebrate christmas or easter because that one book tells you about that?
why are you trying to convince me anyway?? Im telling ppl this to save their lives, why r u? if there is nothing to go after death? so i lived honest, helpful, ... in my eyes that is good enough
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No, you made our lives worse.
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I'm Protestant, yet I believe in evolution (Dinosaurs, Homo Erectus, Homo Habilis, Trilobites, etc...)
... What do I do? D:
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Then you are not creationist...just a religious person. Some of the most important paleontologists believe in god (btw i'm atheist), for example him: [link]
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Idk... Just the Adam and Eve thing strikes me as odd... Adam and Eve had two sons, Cane and Abel... Then one killed the other....
... Then what :\
That is my question.
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There's at least two ways you can go about it:
- Take it as literal truth.
- Take it as an allegorical commentary on human nature.
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I guess it could be a metaphore about human nature... :\ But still, 2 parents, one son. How are millions of people created from THAT? ">.> It's just....huh.
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Such low starting numbers for a natural population almost certainly wouldn't be viable without supernatural intervention.
To be perfectly honest, this is the kind of inconsistency that, to me, makes at least the first books of the Bible stand squarely on mythological ground. It deals with truth the way a storyteller does: it's the generalities of human nature that matter in the message, not so much the finer details of "who-did-what-when".
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