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Published: 2011-04-27 18:23:43 +0000 UTC; Views: 6408; Favourites: 205; Downloads: 93
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So, this is a meme created by ~xDember .This is really really interesting !!! I learn many thing about the different wolves and wolves like anatomy.
I think I'll make more realistic study to improve ^-^
So, Now I can tell you that Hecate is a red wolf ( for the anatomy ).
I've make it in realistic style before, I'll probably make it again in my style. ^-^
Here is the original meme, try to do this, you'll learn many thing too
And yeah, I know I failed for some of them XD Red wolf and Coyote look not good for the eyes.
EDIT : ~xDember give me some advice for the Husky, all the wolves in the first part. So I made some change, I hope it's better now
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It's not me who make the bases, I only draw it ^-^
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I am just saying that that's another great wolf needed on the list
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ya, looking, learning, doing, and promoting. So many ways to have fun Discovering the loved and still unknown.
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C'est vraiment trop bien fait!!
J'aime surtout comment tu as dessinΓ© le husky
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Wow franchement c'est bien de l'avoir essayΓ©, fΓ©licitations!
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je trouve aussi! ^-^
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Les diffΓ©rences sont subtile mais en y regardant bien on les distingue.
Impec moi j'dis ^^
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Merci Lex ^-^
En fait, quand on regarde bien, on les voit sur les photo. Les oreilles plus rapprochΓ©s, plus ou moins longues, plus ou moins rondes etc ... ^-^
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Γ§a me donne envi d'en faire un de meme mais j'sais pas co de quoi (y a des milliers dβexemples donc je trouverais bien)
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Oh oui, il y en a vraiment beaucoup! xD
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I think the Tamaskan looks the most accurate, and also the most appealing. It's my favorite of the ones you drew. x)
The gray wolf looks a bit too foxlike, but I think that's the narrow muzzle and the large, high-set pointy ears. The arctic wolf's ears are a bit too sharp at the tips as well, and mexican one's look pretty high-set, also.
The red wolf and coyote look a bit overly fluffy, as if they're both in a slightly heavier winter coat, but the facial shapes and the ears look really nice. The siberian husky's muzzle is a bit thick, but I particularly like the elkhound; very accurate and yet stylistic and visually appealing at the same time, it's another favorite of mine.
Overall, room for improvement, but very nice job, LOTS of potential for stylistic but clearly-defined species and breeds. I'm impressed. x)
Thanks a ton for using my meme, I'm very grateful. <3 Thank you~!
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I'll try to edit this pic with your advice ! It really help me ^-^
Thank you very much!
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Awwh, glad I could be of assistance~! -^^- Let me know if you make any changes so I can look again? C: -eager-
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It's ok, I've made it
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For the coyote in particular, and the red wolf as well, try horizontally-flipping your page more often.
You have a problem with "Skewing", meaning, being right or left handed can make something look okay on one side, then look strange when reversed.
To get it as correct as possible, it should look fine when mirrored, like anything would in real life. For frontal views, the lack of symmetry can be particularly noticeable.
A tip for "flipping" traditional artwork, without running to a mirror every few minutes, is to just hold your page up to whatever light source you're working with, like a lamp or a window or the sun or whatever.
The lines, even faint ones, should still show through most paper, with decent lighting.
It doesn't have to be perfectly mirrored, and trying to get it to can actually do more harm than good. For example, notice in this piece that I did-- [link] (a siberian husky/giant alaskan malamute mix) --while the two "halves" of the face, and especially the eyes, aren't really identical to each other, they still came out just fine.
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Oh yeah, My teacher tell me the same thing, but I have to admit that I don't see the mistake immediately ( in general, I've to wait some minute or hours and after I see then. I don't know if you see what I mean XD )
I'll Practice front position, I've a problem with it ... If you remember, you already make me a critic on one of my frontal head. ( for the eyes xD ) I really need to work on this and real wolves/dogs expressions ( maybe make a tutoriel for the face and the tail code in the same time, it can be utile for the other one ^-^).
So, thank you very very much for all your advices! Your probably the only one who make this seriously and for helping, not for laughing about the others errors.
And you draw is really cool ! I'll continue it or it's just a sketch ?
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Hey, absolutely -any- time you need critiques or redlines, I'm more than willing and eager to help out. x) Just let me know. I can go more in-depth about this meme, too, if you'd like? c:
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It's really really friendly! I'm making some draw in ' realist ' to improve in real wolves anatomy, I would be really happy if you critic it ( I'll let you know when it'll be ok
I just finish a draw of my character in realistic style, she's a red wolf. Do you think you can help me?
Here is the picture : [link]
It looks like her right 'leg' is a bit longer, but when I check with the other one size it's the same ... But her left paws is totally failed T_T
Thank you very much
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Does this help any? [link]
I think the problem is a combination of the far front leg's length and pose; both front legs look a little too long compared to the others, and if it were the right length, it wouldn't be able to touch the ground yet, while the other paw was that far back.
Left paw wasn't bad, just needed slightly longer toes (notice how long the toes on the back paws are..keep in mind that nearly all canines have slightly larger front paws.)
Unless this is a maned wolf...in which case, the legs would probably be -all- as long as that "too long" one, and a bit thinner. What species is this? xD
Some other small critiques;
- The far ear was set a lot farther back on the head than the near one. Try to use your eyes or eyebrows as an example, the ears should line up with them.
- Canines have breastbones. The chest looked a bit too flat, more like a cat than a dog.
- Elbow shouldn't go above the line of the chest unless the head is lowered down, (like to eat or drink). That's also more of a cat thing, to be up higher, especially when stalking.
- Knees tend to look like they have two knee joints, not just a sharp L-shaped joint there.
Also, a great rule of thumb: The elbow ends just below the line of the ribcage; the knee and elbow are almost always level.
Gorgeous work there, though..beautiful features in the face and shoulder/withers area, I really like how you did the collar and the fur around it.
I hope that helps.. ^^' Let me know if you'd like my assistance again, I'm available any time.
You can even drop me an IM if you need them more urgently, all of my screen names are on my profile.
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Just to let you know about the photo, I send a note to the member who takes it and I'm waiting for his/her answer. If He/she tells me I can't send my draw, I'll not ^-^
But I really don't have real wolves near from me ( Oh yes, just on who's in the museum and he's really really old, so it don't looks like a wolf XD ) It's more for the study of the anatomy etc ... ( and I don't have dogs XD Maybe I can ask to someone who has two beautiful huskys if I can take some photos ). And of course my books, but I don't have red wolves ... It's always timber wolves, artic wolves, sometimes coyote. That's sad XD
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You...really should ask -before- you trace (or heavily reference) a photo. A lot of people don't like it, I know even I personally would feel offended if somebody used photos of my dogs as "Stock" for them to trace and copy.
If they want to look at them and study them, that's great, but..not trace them and then say it's their character or something. No it's not, it's a tracing of my dog that they renamed. :c
Maybe you should do an internet search for zoos and/or wildlife reserves, or wolf rescue centers, anywhere in your area?
Being able to see them in person and study how they look and move is ten times better than any picture in a book, or even a video, but if none of that is an option, then I'd have to suggest looking into wolf documentaries, since you get to see a lot more of their day-to-day lives, and thus, how they act and what their bodies look like when they walk or run or sit or lie down or whatever. Very helpful. c:
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It's why I ask him/her if I can post it here ^-^
Personally, I would not 'hurt' me if someone use my photo, but I don't have XD So I can't really say ^^'
I just look and see that there's two place where I can see wolves in my country ( I'm from Belgium, so it's so small that we can cross it in a day, take some good times and go back home XD I don't know if you can imagine cause you're from a really big country, but it's nice XD So I'll try to go when I'll be in holidays
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This really help me! Especially for the eyes and ears line! I'll use it for now ^-^
Ok, so it help me really much! the red line is a good explication, but a comment with this made it really better! I keep all your advice in mind for my future draws and I'll change this pic
All your help is really important for me, thanks <3
I just use this pic for the anatomy, as you can see, it's not a maned wolf XD [link]
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Yeah..trying to trace photos can be extremely misleading, since...well, real life doesn't have any lines to copy. xDD
[link] See? Even the most accurately referenced photo can come out..pretty far from the real thing. It can be hard to make art as accurate as a photograph...and why should it be? We already have photos, why should we try to mimic them? Even some of the best realism artists can't get them 100% accurate?
This is all just my personal opinion, since I've found that, while studying photos is an excellent way to improve..actually copying them can mess you up and set you back, rather than help you get better. If you ask me, it's best to learn how anatomy works from photos and videos (and real life, if available!) and then freehand your actual artwork.
If you want to use a photo for a ref, also take into account what the animal is walking on, and how even/uneven the ground is, and keep in mind that it will not show in your art, unless you add all of it in (and uneven ground can be a real pain to illustrate) because the ground can really throw off your anatomy.
Then again, so can the perspective, if you don't get the angle the same as the one in the photo, and yet keep drawing everything the same size or length, even if it's closer or farther away in the picture...if any of that makes sense.
I don't want to discourage you from using photos to learn (because if you've used them so far, obviously it's working very well for you, your art is amazing!) but try to experiment with freehanding...get the pose and movements in your head, and then only glance back at the photo or video, don't refer to it as if it's your guide.
You don't really need to look at just one photo to tell you if your anatomy is good or bad, you would need to study hundreds, even thousands before you could get it anywhere near perfect. xD
I mean..heck, I live with two husky/wolf hybrids that I get to study for hours and hours, every single day, and while they've helped me improve dramatically, I'm nowhere near perfect. ^^' I just do my best, and try to make my art look logical, although I go for aesthetically pleasing (good looking) over struggling to try to perfect my anatomy.
If it looks like it can walk and move normally, and the proportions aren't all wonky, then hey, I'm not too disappointed with it, even if it's no masterpiece. c:
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In fact, I don't use photos for my actual art, I made it freehanding as you sayed, but I would like to improve in my anatomy ... I mean, I don't know anything about wolves anatomy cause I just can't see it by my eyes. and after I've made your meme with wolves, I was thinking that I can take a little break from my actual art just to understand the anatomy of the different kind of wolves and wolves like for my next draw ( maybe if someone ask me a draw or just to draw my character ). ^-^
I don't make it for copying or something like that, it's just to understand and it help me! Today I've made some little quick image from wolves, husly and Czechoslovakian wolf dog and just to make it help me ( even if my draw was very not perfect cause it was with ink) but now, I can understand better how a timber wolf looks like
And thank you for your kind world about my art, it means a lot for me <3
I would like to try to make you a little gift if you let me use your character, to thank you for all your help, you take many time for me and you never talk to me before, this is really nice from you!
By the way, sorry for my bad english, I hope you can understand me XD I speak french and don't learn english more than 2 years, so it's not really cool and I've to learn by my self here xD
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Your english isn't that bad, I've seen far, /far/ worse. xD You miss the occasional "ing" on the end of words, and use stuff like "for" instead of "to", but that far from makes you impossible to understand. If you had any instant messengers, I'd be able to chat with you and reply a lot more quickly, and I could help you with that, too~ xD
And honestly..it's just talking and critiquing and redlining. Not worth someone's time and effort put into a drawing, to 'repay' me.. xD;
You're more than welcome to, and I'd be absolutely honored, but really, I've done nothing to earn it. I'll redline art for absolutely anyone who asks, and offer to do it for many people who won't.
As for critiquing...well, I do that practically every time I /see/ art, so that's sort of like..paying an old man to talk about the past, really. xDD Just something I do. c:
I really would love to talk to you on instant messengers, though, if you've got them. It'd be a lot more convenient for me than having to check a website to see if you've replied.. ^^'
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I've add you into msn, I don't know if you use it just for your mail or to chat ^^'. But if you chat, my adress is hecatehell@hotmail.com ^-^
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Heh, of course I use it for chatting. x) I said instant messengers, not email. I'd still have to check a website to see if you had replied or not, with email. IMs are by far my favorite method of communication. I added you~ my screen name is xdember@hotmail.com, if you'd like to do the same for me, since my "Dember has added you! Accept/reject?" thing doesn't always go through.
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That's ok, I've just accept you
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You might have to IM me, because it's telling me you're offline. xD
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It's cause I'm xD can't connect me for now cause I've to work for school ^-^
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Well, seeing stuff like these makes my heart smile. So many draw the wrong thing with no information behind it at all. It goes the same for many other things in life. I salute you!
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.... with that last part, "no wolf blood involved at all" is a bit weird, considering dogs are evolved from an old species of wolf.
Also this is really cool
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Yep, every domestic dog was indeed bred down from the gray wolf. However, just like how your housecat shares no DNA with a lion, tiger or cheetah, neither does your chihuahua, poodle or even husky or malamute share the same species with a wolf anymore. The DNA isn't the same, thus why wolfdogs are actually a subspecies between the two, not one or the other.
When I say "no wolf blood", I mean that the breed of dog was not necessarily bred back to a wolf, just because it looks like one. Does that make sense? ^^
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I don't make the original one, I just draw XD
But I think that she would say that it's no a dog breeding with a wolf ^-^
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