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HeckleJack — Sonic cant get a break.
Published: 2016-11-27 05:32:19 +0000 UTC; Views: 935; Favourites: 10; Downloads: 0
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My first meme.Its funny yet sad at the same time, how Sonic cant get any love even in games where he isn't the main star in.
As someone who loves Sonic I'm hurt that I cant even main him in the game, I did main him at first, but the was before I realized how infamous he is.
For those who don't know Sonic is really great character in smash 4, while yes that is a good thing both casual and competitively. The problem is he's too easy to use, on a competitive side it can be very frustrating for a professional player to lose to a complete noob all because Sonic takes so little effort to use. He has his trademark spindash which its hard to but punish, and because of that it can be spammed the heck out of it. Its really effective with the up air up B to up air combo.
Sonic as a whole is fun to play as now, but frustrating to fight against, he has no foe that can 100% counter him, Sonic almost always wins, and how can one have fun when they always lose? Those fighting Sonic have to unfairly put a lot of effort into figuring Sonic out which also takes the fun out even beating him. I fight against Sonic rarely but when I do I always have a hard time, its interesting how he has a spammable move that isn't a projectile.
That's how I got most of my wins but those wins are undeserved if one wants to win you have to put effort into it and EARN it, no one likes a person who takes the easy way to win.
I now only play as Sonic on for fun mode now.
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I didn't find Sonic bad to play as in Brawl. Heck, by spamming Homing Attack you can usually dish out a lot of damage.
Also, people say that Meta Knight is OP Too in both ones. And people have made similar complaints about Little Mac in SSB4 too. So it's not just Sonic getting this in the Super Smash Bros series.
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People claim the new meta knight is op?? Wow, I haven't heard a single complaint like that. The complaints I've only heard, is the fact many dropped him because he's not as powerful as he was in brawl. And that's from the meta knight mains who transitioned from that game.
Personally though I respect them for there loyalty.
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Yeah, who needs different characters when we can just play as Fox and complain about wavedashing for the fourth fucking time? I can only hope the inevitable Switch port/new game buffs him a bit more. I mean he's good as far as those hateful little tiers lists are concerned, but he still lost to a monkey, for sod's sake.
It's kind of sad when I say that Lego Dimensions is the only real game that has given Sonic any form of respect over the past few years. And that STILL has cringey, Webber-esque jokes in it.
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It would depend on what buff you think he needs, like I said people hate Sonic for being being annoyingly good. It would be easy to give him a buff that would make players hate him even more.
And remember Sonic was very powerful when smash first came out, but then he got nerfed like most of the top tiers at this point, dispite that there's still a stigma because of his spindashes.
I do agree with you on giving Sonic a buff, but I can't imagine what buff he could possibly have, that won't put players in a fit of rage. Sonic is kinda like another sheik who has a hard time killing, if you give a fast character kill power as well, you can best believe there will those raging at that character, and be loud about it.
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Well perhaps not a BUFF, but a revised moveset. His moveset is incredibly shallow, and the unpredictability means little if it's literally the same move treated as two Special moves (side and down, if you're wondering), especially since most "pro" Smash players are psychic and will see every attempt to mix things up coming. "Oh, he's spinning at me. Is it a Spin Dash or a Spin Charge? Doesn't matter, I'll just sidestep it and punish the fuck out of him."
What they need is to give him an ACTUAL Side Special instead of copy-pasting the same move. Why not, for example, use that move where he throws a gem and jumps to it? That would be very useful for recovery.
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I know pro smash players know how to get around it, but pro Sonic players know not to spam spindash, plus you can cancel it at the the star, or by jumping mid spin. Sonic has a lot of mix up options which in return makes fighting against him even more frustrating as one would most likely struggle predicting what's he gonna do.
Though I wonder which type of Sonic player they hate more, the spindash spammers? Or the pro Sonic mains?
Personally though I don't think his recovery needs a change, I think it's great. As not only can Sonic still attack after using it, the spring has a hit-box making it a safe edge-guarding tool. You'd be surprised by how many kills I got with that.
Sonic having another move besides a second spindash, be another recovery option sounds good, but wouldn't make sense unless the recovery you said has a hit-box as well (like Metaknight sense all his specials can be recoveries but all have hit-boxes).
In my opinion the alternative move shoul be him using the electric shield from Sonic 3 it could allow him to him jump 3 times, has limited health 50%, but reduces damage Sonic takes by 3%, and to make sure it can't over used it takes 17 seconds to use another one.
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Considering that pro players only main the most broken characters, it's unlikely either way. No need to worry about certain characters when everyone uses the exact same ones, eh?
So perhaps he DOES just need a simple buff, I do not know.
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I think a lot of the entire cast needs more buffs really.
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He got knocked down the tier list and thanks to how Smash 4 is people no longer have to change their mains because complacency is cool. I'm so bored of the tournaments because it's just the same characters we've seen since melee with the same styles of fighting on the same stages. Rarely do people play these characters differently or play someone differently which is why I'm happy Rosalina and Luma got some attention and personally I love Pacman but don't see him as often. No it isn't spam it's called strategy when you wobble in ANY other game that would be classified as cheating but in Smash it's a move that can give you pro status.
Sorry I never got the hate behind Sonic being a "spammer" because have of the cast is projectile characters who mostly do the same thing. Move a around alot, spam, do nothing until your opponent does, then capitalize on it.
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Sonic is also a character not seen very often in tournaments, not that matters sense people claim he's boring to watch anyway. It's funny because almost every Falcon player does almost the same combos every time, I gauss it's because it slightly takes more percision to do so, and Falcon makes very hard reads which is always hype.
He got nerfed sure, but like beyonetta there is still a stigma. When she got nerfed people started claiming her as a low tier and still do today, shiek, Diddy kong, Luigi, and Sonic didn't no where near received that much toxicity. The nerfes in a sense made him an even larger nuisance as now he's just a character who you can always never hit, but will always hit you and not get a kill at the same time.
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Most of us can do a flowchart of every Fox/Flaco fighter before the "GO!" and the match starts. Most people try to blatantly copy the play style they see pros do. I don't hate these characters but it's more discrepancy as why is it acceptable for one character but not the others. The Smash community is masterful on how nitpicky some of the players can be and this being a fighting game it is pretty much a give in.
Onto the next part I think that is the point of tier list to be honest they here to set some ground but not overly definitive like people make them out to be. I've seen people tear up some of the highest tier characters with what are suppose to be absolutely pitiful characters (Jigglypuff anyone). Part of it is blatant player skill obviously but then that to me at least is counter productive to the system. Little Mac for example I remember seeing had the worst Win loss ratio because people assume just because he was like high tier or something he can do them wonders on the battlefield only a good 50 to 70% of mastering Smash is learning what to do with character in the air and as you know "Little Mac aint no air fighter".
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Yes like how Niaro MK beat beat pre-patch sheik with Zelda.
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Yep to me Tier list aren't the word of god people like to make them. Dan from Street Fighter was deliberately design to be a joke and people have actually climbed ranks with him. Not necessarily win tournaments but work to get wins.
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Rather one believes in tier list or not, everyone agrees that Sonic as frustrating to fight against.
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Most of the cast is that way to be honest.
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I never thought of it that way, but I can see that. But it's just with Sonic I gauss... Because it's Sonic and it's just a thing to hate on him.
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Sonic is annoying and Bayonneta to me is just plain irritating.
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Dispite the nerfs? People don't take her seriously because of them, still calling her low tier now.
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Tier list never really interested me because they're all subjective but people like viewing them as a bible for the series.
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I know, but my point is Beyonetta is treated as a complete joke now.
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