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Description This here is the final part of the battle between Hulk and Doomsday and as you see here, the victor over this intense battle between the mighty titan is none other than “Doomsday” himself ending the ‘World-Breaker Hulk’ to the death and by ripping his whole head off his body claiming as his trophy of a worthy adversary of this Death-Battle fight.
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Xenomaster In reply to ??? [2018-10-16 16:37:50 +0000 UTC]

Both times were just not when Hulk's healing factor was burned out. And again, he's fighting someone stronger than Superman

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Jioseph-superfan63 In reply to Xenomaster [2018-10-16 16:50:34 +0000 UTC]

What you mean with Hulk's healing factor burned out?

And isn't Hulk stronger than Superman? No, I'm talking about the real threat hulk not that thing from silver age

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Xenomaster In reply to Jioseph-superfan63 [2018-10-16 18:05:34 +0000 UTC]

If Hulk is so durable, why does he revert to Bruce Banner when a sufficient amount of damage is dealt, all of which is harm that Doomsday can easily take.

You think I'm talking about the silver age? I'm talking of the Superman who held a miniature black hole in his handspunched the supposedly galactic 30th century threat Mordru  and IMP'd the Shadow Moon (while this appears to be just a moon busting feat, the amount of energy it was generating is far more, as the moon was moving at many times the speed of sound towards the Earth) .

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Jioseph-superfan63 In reply to Xenomaster [2018-10-17 11:52:12 +0000 UTC]

Hulk literally regenerate from a skeleton static.comicvine.com/uploads/o… static.comicvine.com/uploads/o… static.comicvine.com/uploads/o…
And the times were Doomsday was the strongest in the universe are ended, now every superhero that passed the SSJ's power exam can destroy Doomsday in many different ways

Dude, we are talking about Superman, in a comic he can obliterate an army of doosmday and in the next he is beaten by Alfred i.redd.it/drfi3wjk9tty.jpg not so much as the strongest superhero ever for me. Because is not that Superman's powers don't have limits, but the limit is what the writer want them to be. 

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Xenomaster In reply to Jioseph-superfan63 [2018-10-17 16:05:38 +0000 UTC]

That isn't a skeleton.
Dude, Superman dying at Doomsday's hands is always in canon. New 52 never had a reboot of Death of Superman and they still said Doomsday killed him. And I have no idea where you heard that nonsense, but you clearly did not hear that Doomsday cannot die the same way twice.

Oh, you really are a comic book noob! Not only were those clones weaker than the original Doomsday, not only that was that Alfred thing from the Injustice comics (not canon), but that is out of context! Alfred ingested a pill made by Superman for his troops!

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Jioseph-superfan63 In reply to Xenomaster [2018-10-17 16:46:18 +0000 UTC]

That's how you would call an injure that make Hulk don't revert to Bruce. So an extreme healing factor.
Now there at least infinte ways to kill Doomsday, Superman can just lobotomize Doomsday or freeze his molecular motion so he can't no longer evolve in order to gain immunity.
The times were Doomsday was unstoppable are ended, now every heroes with the "Stardust Breaker" power level can beat him.

Dude, these were examples of how Superman's powers are written. My point is that Superman isn't stronger as you want him to be. Superman's strenght is just upon the writer.
I mean, there are times where Superman couldn't defeat Catwoman because she used the magic and other times he was beaten by Captain Atom, by Karate Kid and.......by Muhammad Ali!

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Xenomaster In reply to Jioseph-superfan63 [2018-10-17 17:21:02 +0000 UTC]

And as you keep failing to catch on, it just wasn't enough
Doomsday has no internal organs and has been in space for extended periods of time and is still kicking. Hunter/Prey even has him arrive on a freaking meteorite
Prove it. Because not only has Doomsday shown to be still as strong as Superman, but even Rebirth had an evil Batman who was a counterpart to Superman as he was infected with the Doomsday virus

Everything you said is a freaking fallacy. Ignoring that the CANON, never has Superman's strength fluctuate and that what you are referring to is another universe, along with how Alfred was enhanced by Kryptonian science (which was also a justification for how the likes of the Joker can fight Doomsday in a FREAKING VIDEOGAME).
Considering I assume the Catwoman and Captain Atom thing is from Injustice, I am going to ignore that as you are clearly are using that as the anti-fanboy and just move on. Karate Kid not only knows every martial art (ie, many centuries worth from every planet), was fighting Superboy (less experience and strength) and during the Silver Age, the period of comics you yourself tried to call me out on. Superman fought Muhammad under a red sun, where he loses his powers... and during the silver age! You are bad at this.
I can do this too! Hulk was killed by an elderly Wolverine by digging out the back,  murdered by Deadpoolwas held in a normal cage  and despite being a world breaker,  he was taken out  by an earth laser . Stop trying, you fanboy. Doomsday wins

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Jioseph-superfan63 In reply to Xenomaster [2018-10-17 21:19:55 +0000 UTC]

What do you mean? He regenerate his body skin and muscles, that is a point.
Doomsday was lobotomize by Evil Superman www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnF9Na… that was the only way to stop him without killing eachothers.
Again, there at least thousand ways to kill Doomsday if you have at least passed the "planetary explosion" level. 

The point is that Superman's powers don't have a real continuity. We don't even know for sure how canon the Silver Age was, or if Superman can still shout a mini him from the hands. 
Then, I was talking about Cheetah that beat Superman using magic, because Superman is extremely vulnerable at the magic.
Captain Atom instead beat Superman with science: using a radioactive rays that made his powers obsolete.
When Muhammad Ali fought Superman wasn't in Silver Age but in Bronze Age. (but I give you the point for the red sun)

And I was talking about problems of continuity about superman powers and how they were upon the writer. 
Why did you use facts about an Hulk from a universe we don't know what happened to his gamma biology, one that was beaten by returning to human form (not counting he survived at this deadpool static.comicvine.com/uploads/o… static.comicvine.com/uploads/o… static.comicvine.com/uploads/o… static.comicvine.com/uploads/o… ), using a forgotten Hulk show, Hulk wanting to be taken down. And why do you paint me as the fanboy while I'm saying something not about fan preference but writers?

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Xenomaster In reply to Jioseph-superfan63 [2018-10-17 21:57:18 +0000 UTC]

He still had muscle tissue, otherwise we'd see his ribs
Not only is that a weaker Doomsday from a non-canon source, you clearly didn't watch "Doomsday Sanction"
Prove it? Because Doomsday nearly killed Darkseid.

There is a continuity to them. The main canon. Everything changed when the universe changed.
You said Catwoman. And even then, I ask for evidence from a canon source
Is it from Injustice? I don't care.
And my main point stands.

Because you kept using non-canon sources. I am not saying it is because of fan preference, but how you are taking things out of context and from non-canon material. Stop using "what the writers say" unless you want me to use that same nonsense

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Jioseph-superfan63 In reply to Xenomaster [2018-10-29 22:58:46 +0000 UTC]

If you look at the source Hulk adapted hiself for the weapon and manage to being able to survive at it as almost a skeleton.
Not only this Doomsday has been confirmed to being as atrong as Death Of Superman Doomsday, but you clearly don't know that Cadmus recovered Doomsday.
OMG! You say I don't know comics? While you don't even know that was a Darkseid's avatar despite being confirmed by 30 years?! Darkseid would mops the floor with Doomsday as Imperiex did i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/98/2… static.comicvine.com/uploads/o… He didn't even saw that coming! He just died! Not that much as you make it!

The point is that we don't know it for sure what happened to him and how canon was that.
Don't you remember when Joker, Luthor and Chettah swapped enemies and the feline girl beat superman with ancient magic?
It's what I said.

I don't know how you wanna phrase that but Superman is the first case of No Limit Fallacy: the concept that because in the source material you don't a llimit to your powers then it applies everywhere in every universe in every context. While not. Superman strenght have alwys been upon the writer and of the danger.
And I mean.....Superman hold a black hole, but if we think about the joules of a big black hole and his mass then even someone that blowed up a moon as Muten Roshi could beat Superman.
Finally Superman is written for winning against his enemies but only when the story does want the enemy to lose.
But the difference between the limits of Hulk and Superman is that there is no limit to Superman's streng while Hulk streng is unlimited, but his anger isn't.

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Xenomaster In reply to Jioseph-superfan63 [2018-10-29 23:43:55 +0000 UTC]

At best the weapon was strong enough to get right through to the muscle tissue and nothing more. Adapting would be seeing it again with significantly less damage
Are you still talking about JLU? It isn't canon. And even then, adaptations Doomsday gains, as I said, prevent him from being beaten to death, you idiot.
And what makes you sure I didn't know that? You honestly expect me to refer to any Darkseid in any particular story as "this avatar of Darkseid" over and over? And what does that have to do with this discussion as while you can prove you have read comics, just not the right ones (Larfleeze is related to G'nort, but it doesn't help when discussing Dr Doom vs Lex Luthor). As for Imperiex, Imperiex is the embodiment of entropy, he is practically the heat death of the universe and comparable to the big bang. Comparing that to a lowly Earth villain is laughable. And considering Doomsday was alive and kicking in stories after, your point is moot.

You are an idiot who clearly only finds synopsis online. The canon comics are the main line TODAY. REBIRTH. And I was NEVER arguing for the silver age or anything of the like.
Are we again talking about non canon material? You are pathetic.
That my point stands that using out of context information is bullcrap?

It means I can literally say the same thing about every character ever. Including the Hulk, you idiot.
It was confirmed to be "goodbye solar system". You don't even read... period. Not only that, but you are using a feat that was from a jokey era that constantly gets undermined.
Like any other story. Dragon Ball Z trying to kill off Goku anyone?
And... who cares? It is irrelevant

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Jioseph-superfan63 In reply to Xenomaster [2018-10-30 21:35:21 +0000 UTC]

Becuase this is what adapting look like. It needed time to regenerate from the weapon because he didn't adapted quickly.
This Doomsday was healed by someone that's not his organism. Nothing prevent Superman for lobotomizing Doomsday again. But Supes doesn't want.
It's what I'm trying to say. Times were DD was the strongest are ended by at least 2 decades. Now the list of characters heroes or villains that can defeat him is long, and you don't even have to be some kind of god as Imperiex for beating.
Also, not for sounding as someone who knows more than you, the only reason DD came back when he got fried by Imperiex is because they cloned him  

The only thing I was trying to say is that Superman powers had been strange and without consistency since the Silver Age.
This happened, but I don't know for sure how canon was that.
I was agreeing with you.

I just phrased why for the writing point of view Hulk and Superman don't have the same limit fallacies. Superman have always be upon the writer while characters as the hulk follow a source material.
Even the biggest black hole is easier to hold in hands than to blow up a moon. Roshi is canonically a moon destroyer and a black holes holder by your logic.
I didn't say Goku didn't suffered from that......
Look what I said before.

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Xenomaster In reply to Jioseph-superfan63 [2018-10-30 21:51:10 +0000 UTC]

Wrong. There is a difference between regeneration and adaptation, you idiot.
Stop talking about JLU. Seriously, that is not in any way a credible argument.
Why are you making it sound like Imperiex isn't a big deal?
And you can prove this one wasn't a clone?

Then stop talking about the silver age, dumbass

Then stop using that stupid argument
Are you that stupid? Getting away from a black hole is impossible, let alone holding it! A black hole with the density of a moon would be microscopic and as I said before, the black hole superman held was "good by SOLAR SYSTEM" LEVELS. Either drop this ridiculously moronic arguments or I will stop this. You are too fucking stupid to even talk to. ESPECIALLY when you use feats that are undermined and from a joke era

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Jioseph-superfan63 In reply to Xenomaster [2018-11-07 22:33:59 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I know. And I said what is. Hulk was healing for the weapon used against him and then adapted.
Okay, it was just an example.
Well is Imperiex. Yeah, he can create a black hole with the power of Big Bang and destroy war world. But is NOW really that big deal?
"And you can prove this one wasn't a clone?"........................DOOMSDAY WAS A CLONE.  Doomsday whole character is being a clone of a clone of clone cloned by the clone of something.

I did.

Literally escaping from a black hole is impossible. But holding one with bare hands? Well.....Cell stated that his kamehameha could have destroyed the solar system. Thinking at Cell's power level and Roshi's power level we can see that in the tournament of power if Roshi couldn't before he can now, and if someone got the power to destory the solar system then he can also hold it with his bare hands. So, Roshi is canonically a black holes holder

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Xenomaster In reply to Jioseph-superfan63 [2018-11-07 23:18:06 +0000 UTC]

Can. You. Prove. This. Baloney? Did you see Hulk go through the same thing shortly after that? Was that referenced in a similar scenario? Does it say Hulk adapted? Then stop bringing up that bullshit and accept Hulk cannot adapt.
A horrible example, on par with saying Sigma should've beaten Ultron because Scrooge McDuck is stingy.
You make it sound like because Doomsday lost to Imperiex that he should lose to Hulk.
Nitpicking. A classic sign of losing an argument

Then why keep bringing it up?

Impossible? Like time travel, the Greek pantheon not only existing but also co-existing with other gods including Mr "Capital G" god and imps from another dimension? Welcome to comic books, you noob. The impossible is Tuesdays at six.
What you said was so fucking stupid I no longer respect you as a human being. Not only has Cell's little quote ever been tested but no one there would be able to actually confirm that as no one there has a scientific background, not only do we have little indication that Roshi did get stronger (let alone how he could catch up), not only do you barely acknowledge anything I said about how the thing with the moon was A FREAKING JOKE... but how the fuck can you come to the conclusion that because someone can blow something up means they can actually hold it?!? Even then, EVEN FUCKING THEN, you can't claim that as when Zirloin, Rabanra and Zarbuto used the Pretty Black Hole, Goku, 17 and 18 had trouble, despite it not being an actual black hole since it only shoved them down with increased gravity rather than crushing them!

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Jioseph-superfan63 In reply to Xenomaster [2018-11-30 21:24:24 +0000 UTC]

I proved this baloney! And if you known Hulk's character then you would know something simple as the fact that he can adapt to: breath in space, water, heat, nuclear explosions.....
You're using stupid examples with me too. And if you're theory of the black holes = power level then you know who could beat superman? Bunnicula because he defeated a black hole! This is your logic.
I'm telling you for the 10th time that Doomsday is a beta danger now, you can just evaporate his body or destroy his osul with Katana's katana.

I stopped 4 replies ago.

Is what I'm trying to say. Superman can run out a black hole is he can kept one in hands.
The ones of Zirloin, Rabanra and Zarbuto was a black hole, and the fact that barely hurt them is the ultimate proof that a black hole for dragon ball's characters is just a a foe that could have beaten Kid Goku and nothing else. And we can't say if Cell couldn't or could, so this is a low point. But since eveyrthing that happened in DB now he can hold a black hole as everyone can destroy one

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Xenomaster In reply to Jioseph-superfan63 [2018-11-30 22:20:02 +0000 UTC]

No, you showed him healing. That's it. And those can be easily swept away without proof. You need to show Hulk couldn't do so before hand
Said the guy making a completely unrelated example. Plus of course something like that is less impressive when Bunnicula is from a silly cartoon while DC is usually played straight. Proof a silly weak character can do something is not proof someone from a completely different medium can do it
Clear BS without proof. Especially when he was cut with said katana before and was fine

And what I'm saying is that Roshi cannot do what Superman can do because you keep using a completely unrelated example, especially when destroying the moon, like I said, was played for a joke.
Did you not read what I said? IT WASN'T A BLACK HOLE. Did you just skim the rant? You are a dishonest prick. Especially since you don't get how physics work, like I said; "Goku, 17 and 18 had trouble, despite it not being an actual black hole since it only shoved them down with increased gravity rather than crushing them". And to "destroy a black hole" is to try and drown water. Anything you do is just adding to the mass. And why are you saying that Roshi destroying a moon makes him able to "hold a black hole"? Is it because I mentioned something? Well, you clearly misread since I said black holes WITH THE MASS of the moon is MICROSCOPIC and is what is needed for a stable black hole. Either read what I say or buzz off, your stupid is hard to clean out of my clothes

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Jioseph-superfan63 In reply to Xenomaster [2018-12-07 14:30:41 +0000 UTC]

And now what are you talking about? Is canon that Hulk has adapted to survive in space and underwater, he also can adapt from different weapons.
This what I'm trying to say. An example isn't good if we don't realize the fact that something is happening in another dimension.
Katana's katan was broken in his spines, not his skin you unculturaed fool. Get your facts right.

You want a real example of what would happen if Superman was gonna fight a dragon ball character? Okay here the final evidence: www.youtube.com/watch?v=myqkUx…
Something that the form of a black hole, the gravity of a black hole, the power of a black hole isn't a black hole?
Did you read what I said before? The mass of a black hole big as the moon is easily to hold for someone that can destory the moon, so since Roshi have the power to destroy the solar system as I said before he can also hold black hole that can destroy the solar system

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Xenomaster In reply to Jioseph-superfan63 [2018-12-07 20:59:00 +0000 UTC]

Because he couldn't simply be holding his breath(!) <==Sarcasm
Which means it is harder for for one that it is in the other
Says the guy who keeps claiming Roshi can hold a black hold

Really? That is what you bring up? A parody character? You are pathetic
You are a dumbass. What I said before and keep saying is that the bare minimum for a stable black hole minimum is the moon and that one would be microscopic. The thing you seem to miss is that I keep saying it is a bare minimum and not what Superman was doing as a black hole that small would not have enough mass to take the solar system at that time. Stop trying, you are so stupid I cannot even get angry anymore

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Jioseph-superfan63 In reply to Xenomaster [2019-01-13 23:27:23 +0000 UTC]

dude.... static0.cbrimages.com/wordpres…  static0.cbrimages.com/wordpres…
Darksed with the infinity gauntlet didn't teach you nothing? i.redd.it/r5dw6pjffwr11.jpg different reality, different rules of reality.
Because you can't handle the truth?

This was Toriyama evidence at the fact that even kid Goku could have killed Superman without wanting him dead.
Since Roshi's power now is greater than the one that could have destroyed the solar system then he can hold a simple black hole that could destory it as nothing
You're the only pathetic one here, you try to say that I'm dumb meanwhile I proved you examples of Hulk getting behead and regrow a head, the proof that Doomsday defeating Darkseid was the writer's bullshit since he didn't know who Darkseid is and what the omega beans are, I gave you the proofs and you still can't believe it.
This is pathetic.

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Xenomaster In reply to Jioseph-superfan63 [2019-01-13 23:39:55 +0000 UTC]

That isn't confirmation that he can adapt. That is at best saying he can hold his breath
You are clearly too fucking stupid to talk to. Not only is that not even related to what is even being said, but what that was about is just stating the IG's limit.

...It's a parody, you twit. That is not the real Superman and clearly has no real connection outside of a look. Hey, look! Chuthulu is able to go bad himself(!)
You keep using examples of regeneration as adaptation when they are not the same thing, you somehow equate destroying the moon from a silly version of events that is hardly brought up in the series proper to being able to hold a black hole (not even in the same multiverse of reasoning), somehow roping Darkseid into this part of the discussion? You are ignoring everything I say and just living in your own fantasy land

You are not worth the effort

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Jiosufa In reply to Xenomaster [2019-01-18 21:43:01 +0000 UTC]

It's right here...…… i.stack.imgur.com/l5R3q.jpg
It's the proof that the powers in different realities work differently in alternate reality.

No, Toriyama confirmed that was for showing that dragon ball villains could beat the real superman as nothing, making them a threat.
You did, you said that DD beating darkseid was a proof of DD invincibility, while was never confirmed to be canon due the fact that the writers were Doomsday fanboys that don't read the comics.
Can you at least not forgetting what I said before for 2 seconds? I mean, I said that the rules of one reality on another reality are bullshit, in DC holding a black hole is something almost impossible, but in DB holding one is something even an hold man do.

How is this hard to understand?

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Xenomaster In reply to Jiosufa [2019-01-18 23:28:28 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that not even close to anything. I'm asking for evolving something that is not biologically possible
Doesn't mean there are different physics.

Wrong. You have a parody character that appeared once and in the same stretch of a story with an anthropomorphic rabbit that turns other people into carrots, racist caricatures, women using "sexy" to fight and fighters stopping a fight to give an instant reply.
Clearly, you are being butthurt. Ignoring how Doomsday already showed how powerful he is as he fought a character that Darkseid had trouble with, how can you be a fanboy of a character who appeared once before?
Maybe if you read what I actually write and work on your grammar, you would get it. You compare Roshi blowing up the moon to being able to hold a black hole after I said how a black hole with the mass of the moon would be really small, talking about the size rather. Further proof you are a dumbass comes in when you get into how density works. I can have a ton of feathers and a ton of bricks, yet break apart the feathers more easily as it is less dense. Blowing up the moon is an easier feat when all that mass is spread out over such a distance as opposed to anything small enough to fit into your hand. Even then, you still cannot compare blowing up the moon to holding a black hole as those are still galaxies apart in terms of believability. Especially when Goku barely breaks the several ton range.

I don't know, you guys are the ones not understanding

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Jiosufa In reply to Xenomaster [2019-01-23 19:14:07 +0000 UTC]

Then you're just stupid and you didn't realize it's a page from the same comic I told you the writers didn't understand nothing about the characters and were Doomsday fanboys! I mean, you didn't even tried to realize it and you found the first image with Doomsday for proving your point that now it's just an act of stupidity!

And. That's. What. Is. Supposed. To. Be. Suppaman loose because as Superman he was weak in a universe with that kind of reality rules.
Listen, if you wanted me to think you don't have basic reading skills you could have just drop this argument. As I said, the fucking writers didn't know how and what Darkseid omega beans were and are supposed to be. they thought was just a normal cyclop eye beans. And if you read the comics and their answers to the fans questions you could just understand it.

Lifting something and blowing up something are two different things. You can not being able to lift 100 pounds wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450… but be able to lift a whole sun  2.bp.blogspot.com/bJQix5s6STmm… .
Silver ages jokes aside, real strength is about what happens when you fight. How hard can you punch. Look at the majority of lifting feat in comics. The strength portrayed has 0 correlation to how hard they hit.
So Superman's power level comes out less than Roshi's did to blow up the moon. Therefore, it is easier to hold something that weighs three times as much as our sun in your bare hands than it is to blow up the moon. In fact, it takes over 2 times as much power to do that. Roshi, moon buster, martial arts master, Black hole holder.

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Xenomaster In reply to Jiosufa [2019-01-23 20:20:43 +0000 UTC]

That page us from literally his second appearance. Plus how can you "not get the character" when it is his second appearance? Hell, the only thing we do know about Doomsday prior to this is that he was already a nigh-unstoppable monster who managed to take on Maxima (an alien as strong as Sups), Bloodwynd (someone who is said to have energy exceeding Superman), Guy Gardner (then former/future Green Lantern, using Sinestro's power ring (meaning he had a better weapon at that time)) and Booster Gold (a guy from over 400 years in the future with advanced tech that also incorporates alien tech), along with Superman and Supergirl. You are saying that fighting Darkseid in the same continuity is such a step up from fighting Kryptonians and those on par with Kryptonians? Darkseid never got that far! Even during Pre-Crisis, he still lost to younger Superman, his cousin and a plethora of heroes not even close to any of the three I mentioned before Booster, and he absorbed power from Time Trapper, Mordu and had an army of 3 million Daxamites.
Even then, are you complaining that the OP character, meant to KILL Superman, was OP?

Which doesn't mean jack shit. I can show you a comic where Superman beats Titano and still say it is a representation of him beating Goku
The comic shows how Doomsday was beaten by Radiant prior to his fight with Superman, meaning energy attacks would not work. They didn't show Darkseid as being weaker than what he would normally be, especially when everyone is pants crappingly scared of how beaten up he was. Reading the comic kinda helps understand it.

Using silver age nonsense to prove a point, the era where Superman being turned into an ant was normal . Really?
And regardless of that, you can't correlate blowing up the moon to holding a black hole. I keep bringing up how the reason you idiots keep saying that is because I said how a stable black hole would need the mass of the moon. Not only are you taking what I said out of context (which you are, you twit), but what I described would be the BARE MINIMUM. I even explained how you comparing the two is bullshit. Read what I say or you are finished.

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Jiosufa In reply to Xenomaster [2019-02-02 20:05:19 +0000 UTC]

No, I meant nobody had the concept of knowing who Darkseid was and what his powers were. But were just Doomsday fanboys that went too far for their standards.
And it's just the Justice League, beating them happen once a week. Beating the Justice League isn't a great feat anymore. Every villain that is far from decent has enough power to beat them all. Plus beating Booster Gold, Maxima, Bloodwynd and Guy Gardner just means your powers aren't pathetic.
And no again, I mean, for the 3th time (I count it), That the writers didn't know what Omega Beans were. They thought was a laser eye beam, when is supposed to do whatever Darkseid want it to do. 

And it is. If Superman loses to someone with the powers of black hole it means that Roshi can beat the shit out of Superman.
If you wanted to accuse me of not having read that comic you could have just deleted what you just wrote before. Darkseid is shown just as a space leader of a planet in the space. That's what the writers made him. While he is essentially a multidimensional god with the power of an entity. And making him beaten just to prove that an enemy is strong is the laziest way possible to show that someone is strong.

In fact, Roshi at the begin of Dragon Ball could barely hold a black hole big as the moon. After he gain as much power to overpower Cell, that could have destroyed the solar system, it means that he have the strength to blow up the solar system and hold a black hole that can blow up the solar system.

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Xenomaster In reply to Jiosufa [2019-02-16 23:08:49 +0000 UTC]

And to prove how wrong you are about the fanboy thing, not only did the same team that make Doomsday write Hunter/Prey, but that is not fanboying. Fanboying is in Identity Crisis; Brad Meltzer had Deathstroke take on the entire JL and manage to beat the likes of The Flash and Green Lantern with no effort. Brad Meltzer was a fan of the TT comics and Deathstroke, ignoring Slade (who had a long history and defined strengths and weaknesses) had to keep moving and still took some hits. That is far worse than what you claim Dan Jurgens did

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Jiosufa In reply to Xenomaster [2019-02-17 21:12:24 +0000 UTC]

Hunter/prey is doomsday fanboying because the writers couldn't came up with a story with the knowledge of what the new gods are and the powers they got.
Identity Crisis is Deathstroke fanboying.

Why do you think I don't know this fact? I never said Identity Crisis wasn't a fanboying wet dream.....

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Xenomaster In reply to Jiosufa [2019-02-02 20:54:07 +0000 UTC]

Dude, you are clearly high, drunk and concussed to make such ramblings. Heck, you clearly don't even know a thing about Darkseid! Aside from the fact he rules Apokolips, the multiversal thing was a retcon as many stories beforehand had Darkseid as a single entity. And you forget some survived the Omega Beams, such as Superman. And even then, EVEN THEN, do you not think something immune to energy would be affected by an energy-based attack? And dude, three of four of the leaguers I mentioned are comparable to Superman, someone who has beaten Darkseid so much that Sups left an imprint of his fist in Darkseid's skull. 
Also, "And making him beaten just to prove that an enemy is strong is the laziest way possible to show that someone is strong."? That is literally every DBZ saga.

Now you are just making up bullshit. I never mentioned anyone "with the power of a black hole", the moon thing that you constantly grab onto is something I stated from a separate source to say what is needed to reach stability. I already explained how Roshi blowing up the moon is not even in the same universe as holding a black hole from the fact the two actions are different to how the conservation of mass works. Do not bother bringing it up again. You are clearly done, since you are making up bullshit.

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Jiosufa In reply to Xenomaster [2019-02-17 21:12:36 +0000 UTC]

For the Darkseid retcon I agree, but the fact is that even without being a multiversal entity he is the strongest in the universe aside for the continue retcons. Darkseid beaten from Doomsday was a writing mistake that didn't even deserve to have a retcon.
Why do we always have the "superman survived the omega beans!" thing? Before they gave an explanation of what the power of the Omega Beams is it was just a laser eye beams that could kill and Superman invulnerability made him immune to them. It was retconned as "The Source protect Superman because he is a vital part of the universe. But a good explanation is that Darkseid is just playing with supes because if he wanted Superman death, he would be death static.comicvine.com/uploads/o…
 
The Omega Beams aren't energy based attacks, they're a dimensional based attack that use the existence force to do what Darkseid want them to do.

Dude, it's just the Justice League, they got owned by more villains than I can't remember, even Ra's al Ghul beat them. And Ra's also beat Superman. So by your flawed senseless logic since Ra's was gonna kill Superman if wasn't Batman to stop him it would have been Ra's > Darkseid?

""And making him beaten just to prove that an enemy is strong is the laziest way possible to show that someone is strong."? That is literally every DBZ saga." You thought this was logical enough to be used as an argument? So, ignoring that this doesn't have anything to do with our main discussion, the only time it happened was in the Trunks saga, where Trunk killed Frieza because they powers were to different for Frieza to be a threath for Trunks. Nothing else. If you want to say that in the Majin Buu saga Buu kills Dabra that beat Gohan that's just because we didn't even know who Dabra is and if he is really considerable a threat. So you got just these two examples, and when a someone kill someone in DB is just because they're canonically stronger.

Do you know something about Dragon Ball cosmology? The moon in Dragon Ball is the centre of the earth, even if retconned has being the piece of star kicked by Arale. So the moon in DB is stronger than the moon in DC. The solar system destroying black hole is a problem for the dc universe. In the DB universe a solar system destroying black hole is an engery attack. Roshi overpowered that kind of attack.

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Xenomaster In reply to Jiosufa [2019-02-17 22:29:14 +0000 UTC]

Pretty sure they covered it well, considering Hunter/Prey explained Doomsday is immune to energy because of his fight with Radiant and even in Death of Superman, several energy users filed to do anything. Doomsday was a blank slate and since a retcon is defined as "different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency./revise (an aspect of a fictional work) retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events.", there is no retcon. There is a clear difference as Deathstroke had the established history as oppose to Doomsday who had the sole appearance.
Name something they got wrong that isn't Doomsday being immune to the Omega Beams, because that was clearly explained.

Dude, they are energy. They are not solid mass, various fictional lasers have varying effects and even DC database lists the omega beams as energy. You are trying to define a problem into existence.

Poor poor Jiosufa. Ignoring how the plan to "beat Superman" is bullshit (you'd stop an out of control or mind controlled Superman... by making him stronger?), but you are oversimplifying what happened and using DBZ logic. What Ra's did was get Superman into a position where he'd cause serious harm and would go into exile. Ignoring that this wouldn't have been possible without knowledge from the true fanboy character, Batman, Ra's "nearly beating Superman" does not make Darkseid any less of a threat.

You brought it up as a reason Doomsday beating Darkseid was bullshit. And what you said is also bullshit as I was talking in terms of Piccolo>Saiyans>Frieza's men>Frieza>Androids>Cell>Babidi's forces>Buu with the Z-Fighters jumping up every goddamn time. Explain how it is a problem with Doomsday and not every DBZ villain ever?

Your point is moot. Nothing you said matters since you clearly did not pay attention. What you said has no bearing on what I said, not even close. I explained it so many times now that I am not even going to bother repeating myself. Try to press this point further, you will get the same reply

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Garchompisbeast In reply to ??? [2018-10-12 23:43:27 +0000 UTC]

by what? a simple beating and decapitation?

Hulk has withstood the force of a universe exploding when he was taking into a microverse and destroyed it, the explosion blasting him into his universe

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Xenomaster In reply to Garchompisbeast [2018-10-13 07:21:25 +0000 UTC]

Beating form a person as strong as Superman, who survived the Source Wall exploding

Also, we've seen Hulk's healing factor get overpowered and how he was "beaten back to Banner" by less; his fight with Sentry, Zeus and other such beings

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Garchompisbeast In reply to Xenomaster [2018-10-13 09:40:02 +0000 UTC]

his fight with Sentry was a 'draw'

Sentry knew if he powered up any further he'd destroy the planet so he begged Hulk to knock him out to which Hulk complied and afterwards turned back to Banner because he was done with fighting

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Xenomaster In reply to Garchompisbeast [2018-10-13 09:59:28 +0000 UTC]

Which isn't the point. The point is that even when Sentry was holding back, he was still strong enough to tire the Hulk.

And what you said is wrong; Hulk was still pretty peeved at Reed and Tony (he was also "done fighting" at the end of Planet Hulk and only turned into Bruce as his wife asked him to), Sentry stated that it felt good to go all out before stating that he couldn't stop (not the same as asking someone to stop you). And the fact they changed back TOGETHER raises the questionability with your claims.

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Henil031 In reply to ??? [2018-09-26 16:20:41 +0000 UTC]

Oh

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Xenomaster In reply to Henil031 [2018-10-12 22:42:00 +0000 UTC]

It would still fall under "healing factor getting overtaxed".

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Henil031 In reply to Xenomaster [2018-10-13 00:24:41 +0000 UTC]

Another point taken

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Xenomaster In reply to Henil031 [2018-10-13 18:46:52 +0000 UTC]

Cool

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Garchompisbeast In reply to Henil031 [2018-09-26 16:43:03 +0000 UTC]

yeah

Molecule man once tore off 90% of Hulk's body, Hulk regrew it in seconds and then proceeded to knock him out in a single punch

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Henil031 In reply to Garchompisbeast [2018-09-26 20:42:25 +0000 UTC]

That’s sounds awesome

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Garchompisbeast In reply to Henil031 [2018-09-26 21:42:06 +0000 UTC]

indeed

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Gojira012 In reply to ??? [2018-09-19 02:33:02 +0000 UTC]

did you play ps4 spiderman?

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Henil031 In reply to Gojira012 [2018-09-19 02:34:09 +0000 UTC]

I really wish I have, but I got ps3 instead

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Gojira012 In reply to Henil031 [2018-09-19 02:36:10 +0000 UTC]

I could link you the cutscenes

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Henil031 In reply to Gojira012 [2018-09-19 02:36:32 +0000 UTC]

Really?

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Gojira012 In reply to Henil031 [2018-09-19 02:38:33 +0000 UTC]

yeah if you want me to

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Henil031 In reply to Gojira012 [2018-09-19 02:38:47 +0000 UTC]

Sure

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Gojira012 In reply to Henil031 [2018-09-19 02:45:58 +0000 UTC]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6Pzq…

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Henil031 In reply to Gojira012 [2018-09-19 19:42:51 +0000 UTC]

Oh, that link of the Spider-Man PS4 gameplay or cutscenes, that was AWESOME when I watch it about a week ago

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