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"C'mon, Atom, let us take a look inside your chest!"That's unpleasant, but Atom just can't defend himself... And the teacher does nothing.
From the 1980's series, Degoichi episode.
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That's why I pointed on it. They were on a train, a closed space, and he was near them, complaining them playing videogames. But he did not stop his pupils playing with Atom as if he was a toy.
I saw such things happening too many times in schooltimes and over, so, when I saw that episode again, it was no more an excuse to involve Atom and his story.
He has to thank you Atom 1000 times, because he did not vaporize all them: he could but he did not...
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It's terrible. It's as bad as a moment in the 60s series where he got punished for something at school and had to stand out in the hallway. Two other boys start teasing him dancing around chanting "Astro Boy's a dunce!" Naturally, Astro eventually can't take anymore and screams "QUIET!!!" and the boys run to the teach crying; "Astro Boy's picking on us!!" and the teach punishes him more. It was actually hard to watch as similar things happened to me at school and it kind of became a trigger for me .__.
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Kids can be very cruel sometimes.
This feature disappeared in 2003's series, I wonder why. As has disappeared any reference about which kind of engine can give energy to Atom's great powers. In all old series was obvious: nuclear power engine! But now we are all frightened about it...
Think about it, instead: Japan suffered a lot about nuclear power, and by war, but they gave their hero this name, they gave their hero this power.
Maybe it would be creepy to be close near a being that hides nuclear power in his cute appearance. But he was born this way, he is like this.
And in spite of it, at school they tease him, they treat him as if he was human.
But in the train scene, they don't treat him as a human, they want him to show some robot things, no matter what dangerous it can be, no matter if he protests, no matter if he says "Please, no!".
I could not stand it.
It was very late in the night; I took my paper and my pencil, and I put it on paper.
If you see, there is not any reckognizable character, maybe only Tamao's head. I did not want to put their faces: all I wanted was to stress the point on the gratuitous violence, and under teacher's nose.
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Yeah, Tezuka first hand experienced one of Japan's bombings in World War II. I believe it became part of his inspiration for Atom. He wanted to show Atomic power could be used for something peaceful and good and not just for war and destruction. I guess political correctness kinda killed that :/
I could see if Atom really existed he'd be hounded with protests of people claiming "he's a walking nuclear explosion waiting to happen." Probably wouldn't let him go to school for the same reason. (Not to mention all those weapons built into him)
The way they tease him makes me think the kids see him less as human so they can do whatever they want to him. In the manga it's pointed out that robots can't harm humans in their own defense so the kids take this opportunity to pick on him as much as possible is it's common nature for bullies to bully the weakest and the ones that can't fight back.
I know, right? The scene actually makes me uncomfortable because the more I see it and the more I think of it and analyze it, the more it starts to look like a potential rape or molesting scene D: Although perhaps now I'm over thinking and over analyzing it
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Maybe if he was real, he would be locked up somewhere... or destroyed soon. Not mentioning what they could to to Tenma who built him and Ochanomizu who raised him!
Bullies are always like that, yeah. They hit when they're sure they're in safe. Expecially when you're alone.
You've got it right. That's why I could not stand it, that's why I had to put it somehow out of my mind. And that's why they did not repeat it in new series. This scene could seem to be nothing, as our teacher seems to show us, but instead it's something terrible, made to someone who did not deserve such a treatment. Nobody deserves it.
It was too much, I had to draw it, to show it, to put a focus on the matter.
Childhood is not all innocence and happy times, with no care in the world.
I'd like new series could let us remember this.
Atom's worst fights seem not to be the ones against monsters, bad robots or mad scientist, but his life as an eternal child. Saying it this way does not seem to be that good...
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No kidding. If his nuclear energy wouldn't scare people, his built in weapons would. I don't know if it's like this in Italy but nowadays in America you can't enter a school or an airport with anything that "resembles a weapon" because of all the recent violence. I've seen kids suspended from school for simply making a gun shape with their hands. Can you imagine if someone like Atom tried to go to such a school? With his arm canon and/or butt guns installed in him? His strength would probably scare schools too actually.
If that scene doesn't resemble rape, then it at least resembles molestation. The way Atom was shy about showing his insides was similar to a person afraid to show themselves naked so the scene looked to me like if a bunch of guys forced a woman to show her breasts. I used to think the scene was kind of funny but the more I think about it, the more I become uncomfortable with it.
Indeed. He clearly doesn't hate being a child forever, but sometimes the reality of it gets to him. Like the Peter Pan episode that was unfortunately never dubbed. He started worrying because he realized his friends will become adults and he won't and he feared it meant he would always end up alone
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We're not that strict in rules, as I know.
We can't enter a bank with mobiles or metal boxes. And we can't go on an airplane if we've got a bottle in our pocket: all has to be sealed or left behind.
We haven't got weapon-shops, weapons here are only for police... and for Mafiosi... '_'
They also closed fireworks shops, so in the Year's eve it's almost impossible to find the tiniest firecracker.
Our school are a real mess, so, it's up the man or the woman that rules the school to decide who is bad and why. If he/she is interested in it.
A teacher can yell at you if you take you girlfriend's hand or if, in the break time, you let her sitting on your lap. But they can't do anything about bullies or those ones who smoke in bathrooms... they can't do anything, because many teachers do the same, and they don't care. The only important thing is to hear the last bell and run home, leaving pupils alone, as they were just a boring problem or a lost cause.
Rules are crazy and random 'round here.
Once a guy stuck my hand in a window, and there's still the scar. The teacher was going to blame me, and not the terrorist almost cracked my hand. Nothing happened to him, and I have a good memo on my own hand.
The fact you can't even mime a gun it's crazy. And it has opposite results: when you'll be able to, you will exaggerete those gesture, and maybe you would like to have the real thing.
Atom probably would not have any problem showing himself by himself; well, it would not be pleasant, but, well, Ok, that's what he is. He could do it safely (both for them and for himself) and maybe explaining them some of the functions of his limbs; they could know him better and it could be interesting. He's used to be repaired and replaced here and there. He's used to be called "Robot!" instead by name. It's all right... more or less. He never got mad about it.
The point is that his schoolmates forced him to do so. They did not let him explain, they wanted a toy to play with, that's all. Maybe he has not got all this shame about showing himself as he is... (and I think he HAS...); they did not listen to him: it could be dangerous. He had to be still and make them help theirselves.
It's not by chance that the only girl watching is far from the group, feeling a bit uneasy.
That's what I saw. I am sorry if I turned something funny in something that serious, but it's the way I see it.
The Neverland episode stressed this point: he will never grow up. He could, if he wants, changing his body: is electro-brain installed in another body, and he could feel as he really grew up. But the truth is and always would be that he's not human, he does not grow up, and that's all.
It's easy to imagine the consequences: friends turning in teenagers, changing habits and interests, becoming adults, speaking differently, leaving old places for new ones... and he always a kid who loves riding the glider-bike and taking care of the treehouse, hunting fairies and playing with toys. He would change too, new experiences giving him memories and new info... but in the end he will be a boy forever.
He finds out one of his own limits. It's a miracle he can still laugh, at the end of the episode (when Shibugaki pretend to drawn him...).
He's still a kid, with not too many memories: it's still easy to laugh and to not think about the future.
But a boy who lives that much is no more a child, but he will never be an adult. When in the old manga we see time going by, and Atom himself tells us he's 18, he has 18 years old memories. But a child's mind.
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Italian schools sound crazy .___. You can't mime a gun in American school these days either. You used to. I used to when I was a kid in school but people go nuts now when a child shows any enthusiasm towards guns. They think it's some early sign of a potential sociopath or something. As a man who is for peace but collects army toys, I think it's ridiculous.
It's okay you see such a serious tone in what's supposed to be something funny. I can see the serious side of it as well. I've made jokes about it but I can see it. Hmm, hadn't noticed the only kids involved were boys. Also adds a serious tone to it.
Yeah, it wouldn't be exactly the same and he'd probably feel like he was living a lie this way.
I agree about his mind. It would most likely learn and grow from experiences but there are humans who can grow physically but often remain mentally childish so Atom would most likely be the same
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Yeah, our school is a mess.
In old days, if a little boys showed some interest to dolls, that could be dangerous. But, in the end, a toy weapon is not a weapon, but a toy. Here you can play whatever you want, and in present days male kids can play with their sisters' Winx dolls, without any problems.
That's different for girls: you can play with costruction toys, with football, with weapon toys... but in the end your future has to be full of make-up, high heels, polished nails and stupid giggles. And, of course, you have to be a great housewife, but with your hair freshly made by the hairdresser, a degree to show stuck on the wall, but a non-threatening empty brain.
Old fashioned rules are mixed with new ones, making this place a real puzzle...
The one who are supposed to help you, are the first one running away, and the first one teaching superstition and subterfuges.
I always see that action is always played by male characters, and girls are just there as a decoration; when in the 1980's series Atlas shrinks Atom's schoolmates, the only girl involved was spied under her skirt... and, well, she's the same girl that is watching this scene.
Things will never change that much for him. He'll find some of his friends regretting things they use to do when they were children. It happens very often. Lots of people start their memories when they're 13 years old!!! That means that some of them can simply forget him. Maybe it's not that easy to forget a super powered robot friend, but it's not improbable.
Few people have a real memory about their childhood. Among them, many of them regret it, leaving all those experiences away, thinking they're all stupid, not important, just a play... as their childhood was an endless happy game.
That's my oun small problem, I take everything seriously...
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boys liking dolls is still a problem here. A boy somewhere in America was seen in school with a My Little Pony lunchbox and he got horribly bullied for it. He was called "gay" he was told to kill himself, and the teachers responded not by telling the children to stop bullying him or to punish them for disrupting the class. The responded by telling the boy to stop bringing the lunch box because he was "a trigger for bullying." They said HE was disrupting the class for bringing it. www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/β¦
Girls liking boy toys is a little mixed in America. For the most part it's accepted and American girls also still enjoy girl products but American women nowadays get very upset if you expect them to be girly. And I totally understand. Whether your like something intended for your gender or not is entirely up to you. No one else. A girl can like Barbies or My little pony but she shouldn't be expected to just because she's a girl.
action roles usually are male with the females there just to look sexy and I can understand why this would upset other women.
I hadn't thought about it but a lot my memories under 13 are fuzzy. Although some memories from when I was 16 are fuzzy XD But I suppose if they remain together throughout the years it'll be less likely they'll forget him.
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That "gay" thing is a problem here too: if you're kid, maybe you are not bothered about what you are playing with, and matter about gender and identity are out of a child's interest.
But let children grow up a bit, and they find themselves overbombed by people who want to test them about their sexual views, their tastes or whatever. And they did not started anything yet!
So, they are put under a huge pressure: every little thing becomes a symptom, and every symptom a syndrome. The same teachers who don't care about them, have to see them as disadvantaged and different. They're almost all marked for something.
And, in all this mess, we see a real destruction in families, even in ones who count a father, a mother and sons of both.
They say: our sons are more smart than we were, so we DON'T have to teach them anything. We have our life, our interests and things, so they've their. We also don't want to put some limit to their freedom, as our blasted parents did to us: we're such good mothers and fathers!
In few words, they leave them alone. Alone in this mess.
If you play with a hat or you sing a song originally played by a woman; if you dress pink or if your voice squeak a bit, it could be your own end. You'll be the target, the toy to avoid boredoom in and out the classroom. No matter if you psycholgically destroy someone else, no matter if you put in them a real fear to go to school, no matter if their teen days will be the Hell. They want to have fun, so they take it, and you're the doll.
In this case, females are in advantage: they are seen as little ladies since their first breath, so, when they're almost near to teen, they already know many things about their body, others' ones and how to use them... as they were trained in a sorta of a factory or secret lab.
If you are out of this pantomime, you're nothing. They can't put you in any category, so you aren't.
You're not a male, not a female, not a human, not a living thing.
In all this, all the media are happy and enthusiastic to shout aloud private things, new genders, awful characters whose only good feature is being tacky but in the middle way between males and females; foul language shown as the sweetest thing in the world...
The victim is not the bull, but the red handerchief. That's mad.
I heard boys tell girls the wors insult in the world, as if it was nothing, and they take it as they shown them the full moon in a starry night.
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Everything you're saying about children and "the gay thing" is so true. Here too. Although it's often fought nowadays.
I think the only play the "gay" thing isn't an issue is probably Germany. They don't seem to care at all over there.
Women are at the advantage. It's cool of a woman does guy things but it's "gay" if a guy does woman things
I mean, no one says anything when a woman says she likes GI Joe but god forbid if a man likes My Little Pony. (Although I do see women who play video games and read comic books get a lot of crap.)
I've noticed this too. It seems you're not a human being if you can't be labeled in some way.
It's all pretty crazy, isn't it?
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Giving labels makes things easier to understand. And if you're complicated, you're labelled as a nuisance. The same persons who love complicated characters in movies, can't do the same with real persons with those features. It's so easy be a fan-girl or to shout your huge love to the world. Put it in practice, and you'll see that's not so easy. It's like a serious work. You have to raise your love and your beloved, as you could do with a flower. If you don't want to do it, don't blame others.
Instead, even if there are many people who simply can't love, the problem is you, if you emerge from the group.
Once I read a book by Chuck Palahniuk. There were lots of soldier children. Their trainer watched them practicing martial arts. Then, cold as winter, shot the worst and the best of them: they killed the one who could emerge from the group.
It gave me the creeps, but it made me thinking about it. And that's true.
That's why we try to hide all our life... well, here's like that.
Nobody seems to want to make a commitment on anything. And it's not a matter of laziness or lack of abilities: if you make some efforts, but the result is always a waste of time, and you are the only one who cared, the next time you will say no to anything that needs more than a lame interest.
Bad experiences, bad memories and fear can feed all this mess. It seems you can't trust anybody, even yourself; you are put on an operating table, told you're all made of chemical and programmed as a machine, they tell things you would prefer searching by yourself, not told in public, as all we were the same. They show your pieces, and if you want to show you've got a soul and a heart too, they laugh at you.
Sometimes I feel I agree with Tenma, and I love more robots than humans... A friend of mine dreams about the end of the world... Yes, that's crazy. -_-
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Yeah, it's a lot easier to love complicated person when you don't actually have to live with them XD It's why so many fangirls love "bad boy" characters like Loki from Thor. It's real easy to love him when you don't have to live with him XD
damn, that's horrible D:
This is that deep and powerful statement. Sometimes we want to commit to something, but fear wasting our time on something no one else cares about.or even if others do care,
I know the feelings that come from bad experiences, bad memories and fear too.
Heh, sometimes I like robots more than humans too
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Unfortunately, love fictional characters is easier than love real people.
I see people picking persons up as they were shoes, and changing their mind so fast that seems that they really did not care about their last love, their ended story or their past. I don't know how they do this, and really I feel I don't want learn to do the same.
If you emerge, you're visible, and if you're visible, you're a target. And you have to be able to stand all hits that are coming, being aware that nobody will support you, even if you ask for some help.
Even if we're an old Country, very often we lose our memory and our past; we seem to prefer taking others' memories, others' history, as we were ashamed about ourselves.
It seems that everyone born here is somehow giulty. That's the atmosphere here, and if you're alone, you're done: you're a wrong piece, the most wrong of all.
Being aware of all this does not help making friends, and lets easier to be kicked away or to run away.
That bad-boy thing is old as literature is. But I could figure it out when "Doctor House" series came for the first time in Italy: he was really bad, but someway charming, and I could not understand why. He was not nice, he was improbably learned about the most rare diseases in the world, he was just there to show how good he was in his profession. I started seeing this character as he really was, and then I started ignoring him: he was not charming anymore.
I also know that the most part of the love for a character comes from you; the last part comes from the author and they who developed his/her work.
You have to know when you're happily surfing on your emotions and when they don't support you anymore.
But people is not that sharp.
An old lady I knew in my university times tells me that Jesus loves me, and that's all for her. I have many universes in my mind and I don't know how to use them, and she tells me there's one easy solution. -_-
Is she kidding me?
She sais it for good, but for me is not enough. And that kind of faith does not help me: it puts me in another cage.
I am fed up with totems, cages and rules.
It's not that simple, but it is the common feeling...
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It is a lot easier to love a fictional person than a real one. Loving real people is really hard on a person's heart and soul.
I'm not the "love 'em and leave 'em" type so that makes it even harder for me.
countries have a habit of forgetting their own history. America isn't as old as Italy and we're doing the same thing.
I thought the same thing about Doctor House. Especially since the actor playing him isn't very nice either and it seeps into his character
I get what you mean about that kind of faith.
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The usual, now, is to dissacrate things, to throw mud on white and pure walls, because someone told that they were the real walls of the cage.
That's mean that national heroes, main dates, monuments and quotes are disvalued, ignored, forgotten and laughed at.
Memory is identity, and identity is a fundamental thing in life. Start regretting memory, and in a couple of years we'll return to the stone-age, surrounded by technolgy made without heart.
I've been chasing a faith, a religion, for years. Nothing satisfied me. My head was always stuffed with questions nobody around me could answer; nobody sharp enough to understand my discomfort. Now here she comes and takes it that easy, making my hard research just a childish caprice.
Every religion is made of groups, and a group needs a gerarchy. Then, the good common sense is not enough, so rules have to be written. And those rules turn in laws, and in dogmas; if you go a little out of them, you're damned. That kind of religion is not made for me.
But that's the common way, even in places where people seem to be very cozy, warm and easy to accept new people.
I say no thanks to this.
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Wow, I see what you mean about all of that.
BTW, did you get my message about putting my video on facebook?
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Of course!
I answered you, and also I shared it on my facebook profile
I put a comment too.
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Yeah, I saw. I would like you to take it down. It's not supposed to be public until after the convention which isn't until next summer. Also, I took the video down from youtube because of this so there's no point in your link to it anymore.
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I am sorry. I thought you were inviting me to see it, and I thought that it would have some benefit with lots of 'likes' and public.
I misunderstood everything.
So, you will not publish again, will you?
I hope I did not made you a disaster.
-_- sorry
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I don't think you made a disaster. There's actually no rule stating I can't have the video on youtube before the convention. But popularity online wouldn't help my video at the contest so I would prefer it didn't. And even if that was a problem, it doesn't seem like it got a lot of views.
I'll publish it after the convention
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Ok... so, let us know how it went.
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sure will 
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Don't worry too much. You know what I thought about your video
I think it's awesome.
The defect about those fan-made video is that most of the fans use the same parts; yours, instead, is full of not used scenes, and the music fits in every part.
Maybe you, as the author, see only the bad features of it; you're strict with yourself more than a judge. But, you've to know, it's good.
It does not need other special effects or a huge orchestra.
I would like to see the other videos, so I could compare them. But yours is good, I watched it twice, you know.
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yeah, as an artist I tend to be my own worst critic. Doesn't help that I'm comparing myself to the other videos from the convention.
If you want to see others to compare, some are on youtube. Here's the one that one for Drama last year. I warn you though, it's pretty sad. www.youtube.com/watch?v=21yChQ⦠and the year before www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcJ80c⦠Mind you, I'm not aiming to win. I'll be happy with making the finalists.
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I watched both videos.
Well, they're different anime, and I don't know their stories very well. I think I saw few episodes about the first one, the Quake one. The second one, about Wolfchildren, is pretty hard to follow; I think I got the main features.
Well, they're good, and the montage is very accurate. But it will be very hard to compare such different anime.
Judges have to know all them in a very deep way... or maybe I think all anime fans have to be encyclopedic! ^_^
My best wishes for your work, then. I hope that judges know Astro Boy as we know!
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They are very different animes that called for very different kinds of AMVs but it gives you an idea of what I'm competing with.
Since the judges are made up of experienced long time anime fans, I imagine they'll at least know of Astro Boy. I'm hoping that might help my chances. Ever since one year where they had three Ouran High School Host Club amvs, I feel they sometimes pick videos based n Animes that don't get a lot of attention to try to avoid that problem and there has never been an Astro Boy amv in the time I've been going to this convention so they'd probably like the difference. Plus, being such hardcore anime fans, they might appreciate the use of such an iconic, historic, but under-appreciated character.
Thank you ^^ I hope for the best
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Clean and clear thing are not the MUST, in this period. But if they're that rare, maybe they seem to be new again. And this can be an advantage.
Here, to tell you the truth, I don't know if there are such competitions. But there are lots of cosplay festivals and a great brand-new culture about anime openings: Italian openings of 1970's and 80's are liked a lot, so old groups, old singers and dubbers are called to remember the 'good times' with those one who were kids, and now are 30 and 40 years old. ^_^
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That's cool 
The AMVs also are rarely anything old. One of the reasons I'm leaning towards 2003 Astro Boy for my AMV even though I also have the 80s one.
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Once they made a contest in a TV show: all old Italian anime-opening where challenging, and you can vote your favorite by mobile. But among the '70s and '80s songs, there was the new PokΓ©mon one. That was the first PokΓ©mon series, too new to a real contest between old songs.
But, as you can imagine, PokΓ©mon Italian opening got the majority of the votes. Why? Because the old fans were busy, they were not interested in a race like that, and if they were, like me, they would know that all the show was a fake: PokΓ©mon song near "Il grande Mazinga" or "Daitarn III" or "Lady Oscar - La rosa di Versailles"!
Young fans did not know them, so they voted the only one they knew.
We've got lots of songs about Sailor Moon: each series has got a brand new song. Not all a legend, but very good, even if the words are a bit stupid sometimes. They give lots of emotion, even if they were not perfect. And the series were all censored and messed up.
PokΓ©mon too has got lots of different openings: disco music, easy tunes, a good singer. The first one brings the first sensation about all those pocket monsters, this world full of the same people in different countries, and those creatures kept in spheres...
In the same time, Digimon series came here, and kids had to party: PokΓ©mon or Digimon? Or maybe both of them? Both the Italian Digimon-opening are great
I'd like to make a cosplay, but you've got to not be alone. I figure it out: me, alone, dressed as Arale-chan, but uneasy and feeling out of place. Too bad. I prefer go on with dreams and drawings.
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Hmm, when was this contest? Today Pokemon is almost 20 years old so if this was done recently it could still qualify on a technicality. And yes, the younger crowd would stick with what they know. I can be like that.
I remember the Pokemon vs Digimon debate. Most kids were into both though XD
I have cosplay ideas too but similar issues.
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This TV show was called "MacchemΓΉ" (a joke about a song: What a music, master! -> Ma che musica maestro! -> Ma che mu' -> MacchemΓΉ). TV shows openings challenged and votes from home declared the winner.
It was aired in 2000, summer. There were words on the screen as the music went on, like a karaoke. All the Italian TV shows and the cartoons were together in the same program, with old historical singers, legendary songs, tons of nostalgia... The brand new PokΓ©mon opening was unrelated and extraneous.
All the challenge was a fake.
But I loved listen to those songs again. Nobody knew we could listen to them on you-tube, some day, and even on dedicated channels on Tv.
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2000? Probably still too soon. You're right.
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I giggled at that sense.
I think atom might find that awkward. Just like this drawing for an example.Β
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maybe the kids are a bit nosy ^.^
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Yes, I made that one recalling the scene from the 2003's series, but putting Tamao instead of Anton. It was curiosity, and nobody forced him to show anything. And, I think that if they the asked him gently instead of forcing him, he would show them all, maybe telling them a bit about his functions.
Instead they put him on the floor, making him feel really bad.
Sometimes kids can be very cruel...
He could send them away to the stratosphere. But he could not, he did not want to harm them. So the only way he had was to protest...Β but has it ever worked with bullies?
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It's like a strong urge, that you jet want to see something, that you want nose around. Yes it's true, that you should ask nicely, then forcing him. Β
that way sounds better then being pushed onto the floor.Β
Yet another they are young kids, they might have understand that should thing yet, they thought it was "ok' for they knew he was a robot.
besides I dislike bullies, I've being through a lot.
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The problem of being a machine is you'll be treated as a thing.
They could ask him, and he'd be ready to explain how his own body works. But they did not, they just wanted some easy fun. They used his weak point, as all bullies do.
I know them very well too, and very often the worst ones were the teachers.
Here there's Mustachio that does not do anything: his students are playing with a classmate, and this boy is also a super-robot; in that version, Atom's engine was nuclear. So those kids were playing with a nuclear device, and his owner could not help to turn them away. That's very normal for a teacher, if you ask me.
They could harm him seriously (and this 'innocent' joke will bring lots of bad consequences, of course), they could be harmed (circuits and batteries could be electric and not so safe if you play with them).
All that was inacceptable. I can't laugh seeing bullies help theirself on a victim, even if the victim is a super-robot.
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