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Atom: "Oh, hello, Daddy!"...
Atom: "Why? Maybe I should stand at attention.
Or I should be always near him, available on tap. ?"
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Eh? Why did Tenma go to Atom's room if he go out when Atom greeted him?
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We really don't know why Tenma went to his room, but we could imagine it: he was changing his mind about his robot-son, so, sometimes he goes to his room, to check him out, to control him...
Tenma is thinking hard: what he should do with this tiny super-robot? Maybe he is considering if it's better to turn him off, or to send him somewhere, so he won't not be forced to see him anymore.
You know, Tenma's mind is great... but also a mess. When he lost his family, he lost his grip to the real world.
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We really don't know why Tenma went to his room, but we could imagine it: he was changing his mind about his robot-son, so, sometimes he goes to his room, to check him out, to control him...
Β Tenma is thinking hard: what he should do with this tiny super-robot? Maybe he is thinking it's better to turn him off, or to send him somewhere, so he won't not be forced to see him anymore.
It depends on which version of the story we choose.
The only clear thing is that the kid deserves no explanation. :-/
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indeed. Reminds me of the manga version where we see Tenma getting drunk and neglectful. In fact in the manga I think it's implyed he sold Atom on a drunk rage
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I remember that version. It was very sad, but it gave the right explanation about in which state of mind he was, to choose such a bad way to get rid of his robot son; in that version even Hoshiie was cut out of every decision, and it was terrible. After the first doubts about this new boy-'bot, she accepted him, and loved him, as a new child, and now her husband sends him away, as he was just a household appliance.
That made her sad, then ill, and this led her to death, making Tenma feel more guilty... and more mad.
I did not expect to see him drunken and unreasonable, but in that version the author tried to explain how a lovely father could change in a brute.
It's the same version where we see why Atom learns his great sense of justice: the first robot who wanted to vote and to have the same rights of humans, who ambush and destroy him, paralizing poor Atom with fear.
Maybe there were a bit too many explanations for a story made to be rapid and full of adventures, but different version show various points of view, for a story that can change in its features at the same time with technology.
Then Tenma wrote that letter, that moving page to his robot-son, and said sorry; maybe he was still insane, but he saw what he had done, and he saw it was too much.
Sometimes, that version seems the most realistic of all ones.
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I know, right? It was incredibly sad. And how she dies wanting to see Atom one last time and Hamegg not only doesn't let him, but keeps it a secret
I remember that. That was a pretty dark scene .__.
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I tried to show some scenes inside their house.
I am not sure about what Tenma had in his mind in those days. First of all, he taught his tiny robot to take care of himself and to be human. Then we know they had a great time together, a happy moment for them both. Then Tenma started changing his mind.
We don't see this happening: we know it as if it happened from a day to another.
Instead I thought it in a different way: I try to imagine it happening in stages; stages where the lovely father appears again, but gradually leaves the place to the cold and sad one.
Then Doctor Jeckyll becomes Mister Hyde. But for the son, that man is always his father, even when it's hard to reckognize him in the clothes of a monster.
Sometimes Tenma treats him as a child, sometimes as a robot, sometimes... mixes both and makes this mess. He keeps his robot-son in his lost son's room, but there's something wrong in it. And even if he's a great scientist, he can't put it in words.
He just blames himself and gets angry with his son.
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I could see it happening in stages more than just a sudden whiplash of change. Like at first he thought Atom could replace Tobio and he was real happy but gradually he starts noticing and remembering more and more that this isn't Tobio and just looking at him because a constant painful reminder of that for various reasons. Kind of like how it worked in the movie.
I've always wondered what this does to Atom's mentality. For a while he's raised like a child, taught to call his creator "father" and is made to believe he's a child. Then suddenly Tenma tells him he's not his son and is just a robot.Β
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That's right, in the movie it's explained clearly. Elefun tells Tenma he could not expect a copy-cat or a perfect twin; "Just give him time". But every moment is more painful for Tenma. And we know what happens. In almost every version of this story.
I think that this could damage a delicate and complex AI, as it is for every human mind. You expect love and protection from the ones who raise you, and instead... and, over all this, those cold words: "You are not my son! You're just a robot, a machine!"
I imagine it as a powerful short-circuit.
In the 1980s series, Atom simply does not remember anything before the circus, but some episodes later, he prefectly knows who was his creator: maybe someone told him, or he found the piece of info somewhere.
But the damage was clear, there.
In the 2003s series, the memory of his pas life is almost an interference, that in some cases it may cost his safety. And in that version, Tenma ' killed ' his second son, with that electroshocking collar-trigger.
In the movie he did not know he was a copy, a robot. He discovers it by accident; those two clearner-bots could kill a real kid, if he was not a powerful robot, instead of a human...
In all cases, the damage is enormous. A bug in the system, put by its very creator.
But the first program, the word 'father', remains there, and Atom never give up with it, trying to return to it.
This is why, in my personal version of 1963s story, I imagine the only moment where Atom gives up with hope is when, back home, damaged and about to turn-off, is sent away again from his father. This is the only moment I see the damage as complete and almost irreversible.
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Yes, that's one thing I think the movie did better than the anime. It's a far better explanation than; "Atom was unable to grow." I always just facepalm at that moment thinking; "What did you expect? He's a ROBOT!!"
Exactly. Such words could seriously damage a human child. A delicate AI child wanting nothing more than to love his father and for his father to love him back to do a u-turn and suddenly hate him could do terrible things. I honestly believe it's why he burst into tears when his robot father threatens to practically disown him when he misbehaves. I really think Tenma may have given him some sort of abandonment and rejection issues. Perhaps even post traumatic stress. If it's possible for any robot, it would be possible for him.
Yeah, either Ochanomizu eventually explained it or maybe the memories came back to him over time. Or maybe the writers just forgot 
When did that happen int he 1963 series?
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As I said, it's a my own personal version of the story: I named them "Back to you" and they're already here, on deviantart.
I imagine Atom heavily damaged from the circus overwork, and Hamegg simply throws him away. In the scrap-yard he pretends he's dead, then, when Hamegg is gone, he rises on his trembling feet, unable to fly (if he had the time to discover it) and, with a limited time, he decides he'll return home, to his father, to the one who sold him to Hamegg.
This means a hard trip, with a damaged body, trying to hold on, a step after another.
Then, after lots of adventures (people who wanted to help, people who wanted to sell him, but not able to find a way to disassemble such a complicated mechanism), he is back home. He meets his father, who's not very happy to see him again. To tell the truth, he's outraged.
Here there are two possible endings: the worse one, is Tenma sending him away again, so it can be the only way to make Atom lose every hope; some people find him crying in the street, and if they asked him, he would answer the truth: he's dying and his father does not want him. So, the damage is evident now, and Atom has no more reasons to hide it. All is gone, his eyes full of error messages, not seeing almost anything but sparks, his body not responding anymore... and he knows he will be soon surrounded by policemen, because "that robot is damaged and could blow up from a moment to another".
The better one: Tenma tries to send him away, but he can't... he's a creature he made, he can't kick him away twice. So, he picks his son up, and tries to fix him, almost shocked to see what they had done to his powerful robot: hard damages and scratch repair by totally incompetent hands. And when time is up for Atom, Tenma promises he'll fix him, he'll make him stronger and better, and he'll find a new father for him, one who would not make him suffer and cry. He's thinking about Ochanomizu. Atom falls asleep before the time is up, and Tenma has got the possibility to redeem himself.
You know, I should sleep in the night. Instead I invent stories. With lots of different developments.
And when we speak about the fact Atom did not grow, well, my reaction was the same: "You made him, what did you expect?"
A fan-fiction author thought about nano-machines to make a robot grow up. Atom would learn how to eat
The 1980s authors were great and precise in some episode, but lazy and generic in some others. When Atom explains Uran where they took Jump, he tells her he was Tobio's dog. So, the memory is back... or Ochanomizu told him. The worse feature is he speaks about it almost without any emotion... He speaks about his previous life as it was the life of another. And the Italian dubbing does not make it better: they made a superfine job, they copied this feature very well. Making that show even more dreadful.
Atom could express lots of emotions and feelings, but they could disappear when he spoke about his own terrible experiences. I had no words about it, when I was a kid. I did not like it, and I think I knew it was not the character's fault, but it was about a not completely finished work.
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I think you mentioned this story. The concept is interesting and both outcomes are very possible but one is incredibly sad. Seriously, just the image of Atom in such disrepair and pain is enough to really sadden me. Although you'd think treating any machine that's nuclear powered with such neglect would be illegal but then, I get the feeling someone like Hamegg wouldn't care.
Actually, your sad scenario reminds me of a cartoon I used to watch called "Whatever happened to Robot Jones." I'm unsure if this ever came to Italy. I don't think it lasted long in America.
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The cartoon was basically about this robot boy who went to school to learn things about humans. He kind of spoke like a Speak and Spell XD But he was oddly cute about it. Although I hear later he was dubbed over with a child voice. I didn't like that as much.
Anyway, there's an episode where he gets a computer virus and is system is shutting down because of it. The principle is an idiot and thinks the virus is contagious so he tells everyone to avoid Robot Jones who is falling to the floor as everyone runs away from him and his entire system slowly shuts down. A computer expert at the school eventually finds him and fixes him but the way you described the scene reminded me of this.
I know what you mean. It seems most of my best ideas come when i'm trying to relax and sleep too. I guess because we have less distracting us so our imagination works better then.
I can see robots with nano-mites that makes them grow. I think Jetter Mars is supposed to have something like that. But I don't think it was ever established that Tenma thought to put such things in him.
Yes, like most shows I think 80s Astro Boy had multiple writers writing different episodes and some writers were better at it than others XD
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Yes, I already mentioned it when I uploaded some images about this story. It's a "what if?", and an user told me that it could be as it happens in Doctor Who, when Donna Noble discovers that the Tenth Doctor is dead: if he's absent, lots of catastrophe hit the planet. The same could happen if there's no Tetsuwan Atom to protect the world from aliens and all kind of villains.
An almost human machine turning off slowly is really dramatic, of course. I saw a great friend of my family walking this very path, and dimming as a breaking bulb, every day a bit more. It was tremendous.
This cartoon about Robot Jones never arrived here in Italy; I could reckognize lots of sound effects by videogames, and that electronic voice makes him very amiable. Like Number Johnny Five on the first chapter of his story. When they change a character's voice, they play hard with a delicate thing. And almost everytime they do it, they fail.
I don't know how much a human can be aware about what is happening, but a machine knows exactly what is breaking and what is still working. Robot Jones, Atom or Johnny Five could tell you how much time they have left, before they run out of power or their systems go totally out.
This awareness is dramatic, but also familiar: they talk to you, they're not dead yet... In these cases you can ask yourself how many things you can have in common.
This Robot Jones seems to be a funny show. But a living and feeling machine is always a complex matter.
I saw all the episodes of Jetter Mars, and in spite of the imaginative and creative dubbing, I did not remember anything about his growth, possible or not. I saw he could eat: there were specific restaurants and specific food, made with uranium and other radioactive things ( ._. ) arranged in plates, as they were tasty dishes. And he and Miri drank mineral oil.
Unluckily Mars's creator, doctor Liborio Yamanoue, disappears very soon, and maybe he's dead somewhere, trying to save an entire Country with his own knowledge, and he never tells anything about Mars's schemes and blueprints. Sometimes it seems they totally forget he's a robot.
And Yamanoue's last creation, before disappearing, is that terrible baby-bot called Melchi (or Milky, in Italian). Yamanoue's calling was to create battle-bots; maybe cute as Mars, but not baby-bots: Melchi is totally crazy. A thorn in the side of Mars and of doctor Eustachio Kawashima, almost all time.
We don't know if that baby brat was made to grow up... or to speak, at least. The only thing he says is "Bakaruchi!" that does not mean anything...
That "four hands" thing is a real shame, for a show that sometimes touches important topics and dramatic peaks no other cartoon, even 1980s anime, could reach.
The story about "creators" and "gods" was awesome, even if Uran's song makes always me feel uneasy...
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Yeah, you could say that about a lot of super heroes. XD
Yeah, it's oddly very hard to find episodes or even clips of this show. It's title "Whatever happened to Robot Jones?" is actually very fitting XD I think there are some episodes on Dailymotion but so far they've all been when they redubbed Robot Jones with a kid voice and removed his robot voice. I always found the show interesting because of it's art style. It had kind of a School House Rock style (if you've ever seen that cartoon) But the writing wasn't that great. Partially because we watched Robot Jones get a lot of crap much of it for being a robot.
I don't know a lot about Jetter Mars' story but I do know a big part of him is that he's supposed to be able to grow both mentally and physically. Doesn't sound like the dub picked up on that well.
Jetter Mars got a baby-bot too like Atom huh? Sounds like it was just as annoying and pointless XD
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I got inspirations from Marvel and DC comics, of course. We could translate it as "E se...?". There are some specific terms, about comics, that in Italian simply don't exist, so we prefer use the original English form. Well, many of us use English words when the situation does not need it, when we've already got the correspondant in our language, and worst of all, many use those words without a good pronouciation. But, in this case, the usual form is "What if?". So, we can try a new path, as we were in a crossroad, where there's the official story on a side and another one on the other. Exploring those new roads can make us know better our heroes
School House Rock? Sorry, never heard about it. And, if it's a new show, it's really improbable I'll watch it, if it arrives here. If it's about teenagers who dream about his future as singers and dancers... well, it's not for me. But if you like it, maybe it's not another "talent show" passing for a Tv serie.
Mars can grow up mentally, and it's clear: in the first episodes, he knows the feelings. Fear, Happiness, Sadness, Love etc. But, as I said, there isn't anything about a physical growth.
Melchi's birth was the clumsy attempt of Doctor Yamanoue (Mars's father) to fulfill his robot-son's wish: he wants a little brother or a sister (this is totally crazied up by Italian dubbers, but it's clear in Spanish version).
It was an episode about a robot-dog: Mars and this Dog make friends, but Mars has got to let him go, because the puppy-bot has got a bomb inside of him. And when it explodes, Yamanoue decides to erase Mars's memories about it; when Mars wakes up, though, he makes a wish: he wants a brother or a sister. Yamanoue gets angry when hears it, but, in secret, he starts to work on another robot.
Doctor Yamanoue disappears before completing his last robot, so Doctor Kawashima finishes and activates it... discovering he's a baby shaped robot who can't talk, who does not obey, is annoying and dangerous.
He can make Mars crazy, even if Mars is the happiest robot in Tezuka's world. Maybe he was too happy... Mars's mind is empty as Arale-chan's, but Melchi comes to break this state of grace. -_-
I really don't know why Melchi appears. I also don't know why one has to create a baby-shaped robot who can't do anything but disasters. Yamanoue tried to create a peaceful machine at least, but he failed.
Yamanoue was not better than Tenma, as a father. But their stories are different, and even theis creations, who share the same soul, are deeply different.
Both of them don't ask their son if they agree to erase their memory. They just put the kid on the table, they make their surgery-technological abracadabra, and poor Mars and Atom have to start again. But in both cases, the operation is not totally perfect, and some memories stay, out of their fathers' will.
But those father aren't all bad too.
In the Italian version, it seems that Mars is flying to meet his father, in the last episode; in the Spanish version, more similar to the real Japanese story, we are almost sure that Yamanoue is dead, not in the accident of the nuclear plant, but somewhere else; Mars is flying, happy to know his father is a hero.
He was in a foreign Country, where kids had to study hard, or they were... dead. ._. Yamanoue sends to Mars a special device, with which he can fight and defeat the mad President of this Country, who is a crazy bad robot, with a tremendous ego and who's a maniac for perfection.
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Japan is the same way about using English words. And yet people get mad English speaking people when they randomly use Japanese. I see that it's no different XD
Oh, School House Rock was from the 1970s but re-ran when I was a kid in the 80s and early 90s. It was a series of short cartoons with songs that taught math, grammar, science, and American history. I guess it never showed in Italy.
Aww man that story about Mars and the dog is terribly sad
Melchi sounds like he exists for comic relief. Something that can be real annoying if done poorly.
I had a feeling his father was actually dead. And I had a feeling some dubs would try to make it seem like he wasn't. I get the feeling if Jetter Mars had an English dub, it would've tried to pull the same thing XD
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