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I'm not a Liara hater exactly, I just don't like how BioWare forces her on Shepard. But maybe that's because I'm biased toward Shenko.So this isn't meant to be taken seriously...I don't actually think this will happen in ME3.
I'm just getting my Liara frustrations out of the way.All belongs to BioWare.
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Gah! My feelings towards all of Lair of the Shadow Broker.
Don't get me wrong, loved the DLC and I don't really hate Liara, but they made it seem like I was in a romance with her throughout the whole thing....but I'm a Shenko lady, you Bioware Bitches!
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I know! The DLC was amazing, but sometimes my frustrations with Liara/Bioware throwing her on us when we don't want her, get the best of me. I am forever and always a Shenko lady.
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Btw I can imagine Kaidan's and Shepard's thoughts in the comic lol.
Kaidan - "You...and Liara...."
Shepard - "Kaidan, it's not what you think!"
Kaidan - "I saw you two holding hands and supporting each other. Goodbye"
Shepard - "Kaidan, join me. Please"
Kaidan - "No. You betrayed me"
Shepard - "I've got business with BioWare"
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hahaha good, I'm glad I picked the right expressions for it to make sense. 
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That reminds me of the dialogue wheel you see right when you can start a romance with Thane. After he talks about his dead wife, the line you click on to start the romance says "I want you Thane". Nothing like confessing your love to a widow's lost loved one huh? Lol
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haha Shepard just has no tact sometimes.
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I think one of the tactless things Shepard says that stands out, which just happens to be during Horizon, is "It has been too long. How have you been?"
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Augh, yes, Shepard was so unemotional on Horizon.
Paragon: I'm with Cerberus.
Neutral: I'm with Cerberus.
Renegade: I'm with Cerberus.
Though I suppose Kaidan and Ashley didn't show much tact either. Though they had reason I suppose.
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Yeah. Not to mention that the paragon response is "The Alliance abandoned the Terminus colonies". I didn't like how Ashley/Kaidan didn't listen to Shepard at all. I can understand Ashley not listening, but Kaidan? Kaidan was completely OOC on Horizon. Ashley was somewhat OOC on Horizon, but not terribly so.
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I think Kaidan was right to be a little angry since he is faithful to the Alliance. At least they both(Ash and Kai) stick up for what they believe in. I just wish the exchange on Horizon wouldn't have been so passive.
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I agree, and if I was in Ash/Kaidan's shoes, I would be a little angry as well. I wish it didn't cause too much hate towards them though. There isn't that much hate now, but during the first few months after ME 2 there seemed to be a lot of hate.
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Yeahh, I had no hate because I understood. Just sadness. I think more people have gotten past the initial feelings of anger and understood why Horizon happened the way it did.
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I imagine that is what must have happened, or the haters have gone silent and the ones who understood became the louder ones. I understood because they were sad and upset about it. I had a scenario in my head where the situation was reversed, where Ashley/Kaidan was forced to work with Cerberus, and Shepard was still with the Alliance. I imagined Shepard's responses would be similar to Ashley's/Kaidan's. Besides, they didn't openly attack Shepard. They said at the end "Please...be careful Shepard". I don't think they were dumb either, their feelings clouded their thoughts. It's hard to think rationally when you are very angry, sad, and full of anger, grief, and pain.
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Very true. My Shep would be equally as non-understanding about the situation if roles were switched. And sadly there was no option to "stay and rot with the mechs."
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Yes, it was unfortunate that wasn't an option. It was annoying how quickly the Illusive Man cut off all potential allies by saying that Shepard was with Cerberus. Then again, the Council left no choice because they were too dumb to acknowledge the Reaper threat. As for the roles being switched, I imagine it may have been a dream where the roles were reversed that got Ashley/Kaidan to send a message that quickly. Joker talking to them, which is what happened in a few short stories, is another way that could have happened, but it only works if the Normandy was in the same system Horizon was in during the whole time, which is a little doubtful. I could be wrong, for all I know they spent a week in that system before leaving.
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I really wish they had one with Ashley or Kaidan, instead of this preferrential treatment for Liara. I used to like her, until a former friend ruined her image, and right when that image was repaired after not talking to that former friend for a long time (don't ask, it's a long story), BioWare started putting her on a pedestal over the other LIs and making her responsible for bringing Shepard back to life. If Shepard romanced Ashley or Kaidan, wouldn't they be a better candidate to bring Shepard to Cerberus? Not to mention that they don't give much incentive to be loyal to those two, yet LotSB gives plenty of incentive to be loyal to Liara.
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Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Liara either. I'm not going to say I hate her because I don't want to get into character bashing. I guess Ash or Kai wouldn't have brought Shep's body to Cerberus since they are so biased against Cerberus, as we see on Horizon. And Liara has enough of a stalkerish vibe to her..so Liara was probably one of the best choices for that.. :/
But still, more Kaidan and Ashley would have been much appreciated. I feel like BioWare neglects them, and like you said, puts Liara on a pedestal.
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Yeah. It's a shame they don't hear you out. Mass Effect: Redemption really doesn't make sense if you recruited Liara last. So, Liara was picked up at practically the last mission before Ilos, and SHE is the one to retrieve Shepard's body? Not Garrus, Wrex, Tali, Ashley, or Kaidan, who all served with Shepard during the whole thing? Not to mention that you could do a ton of side missions in between getting your Spectre status and getting Liara, if getting Liara was your first mission. My heart broke a little in Mass Effect: Genesis when you pick Ashley or Kaidan as your romance interest. Shepard's voice over says "I love someone else". What the Hell BioWare? If I was confronted by two women who demanded I choose, I wouldn't say "I love someone else". I hope Ashley and Kaidan get better treatment in Mass Effect 3. I think in ME 2 BioWare listened more to the ones who either didn't care for them or hated them than to those who actually like em.
I think it would be better if in ME 2 all of your past squadmembers mention Cerberus, or "some strange woman who promised to bring Shepard back", and they all mention it to Shepard. That would then make the conversation with Liara a little...interesting, regardless of whether you have recruited Tali before that point, or whether you have talked to Wrex before then.
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What I mean is by the squadmembers talking about Cerberus approaching them is they are going down the list of Shepard's squadmates, and approaching them one by one, and Liara just happens to be the one for the job. But recruiting her could be the VERY last thing you do. The comic assumes that you recruited her first, and Mass Effect Genesis assumes that Shepard puts a lot of trust in her. In my playthroughs, Shepard initially doesn't quite trust her completely, and he says that to her. He doesn't say "OMG LIARA I TRUST YOU SO MUCH YOU ARE SO AWESOME" when he first meets her.
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I haven't read the books yet, and I never played the Genesis DLC but I've seen videos of it. My Shepard would never call Liara... "beautiful as she is intelligent." Also, there is that pause, when Shep says, "it gave me a new.......appreciation for the Asari." NO, IT DIDN'T and what kind of innuendo is that? And the technique WAS unpleasant. It's difficult to play an RPG when the creators are throwing ideas into Shepard's head.
But yeah, that would have worked better for me in ME3 instead. "Some strange woman was rumored to recover your armor, dog tags and body. She framed everything except the body of course."
To be honest, in my first playthrough, I didn't even know Liara was the one to recover Shep's body, because when you talk to her that option disappears if you say things in a certain order. Then, on the second playthrough I saw the option and found out. Ehhhh.
I really hope the VS gets more recognition in ME3 as well.
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One quick note: Mass Effect Redemption is a comic. Personally, I think it's better to read the wiki since the comic isn't that great. You can read if you want though.
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Ah, that makes more sense, since I thought the novels were prequels. So I obviously haven't red the comic yet either. 
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I saw that too, and I didn't like how Shepard's thoughts about Liara were framed either. Like you said, it makes it difficult to play an RPG. My Shepards find them to be a little strange, a little TOO open with being with aliens, and not quite open to change, especially among Matriarchs. None of my Shepards would say that Liara is as beautiful as she is intelligent, except for the ones who romanced her. Every Shepard is different, and making Shepard always say that Liara is beautiful as she is intelligent and that it gave Shepard a new appreciation for the asari kinda breaks the immersion. If an asari said to any of my Shepards "Hey there, let me sleep with you" or "Let's meld minds", you know what they would say? No! *sighs* I imagine the VS will get more recognition in ME 3. After all, the VS is one of the two people you get in the beginning of the game alongside James Vega. If you hadn't been up to date with recent info on ME 3 because you wanted to avoid spoilers, I apologize for spoiling that small detail.
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Ehhh, most Asari think they are hot shit. Like Gianna Parasini said, "I love nailing Asari. So ageless and superior...then you get them, and they squeal like schoolgirls." They seem very two-faced. Like, Liara was naive and innocent and then she changed into a manipulative person, which leads me to believe she was manipulative all along.
But no worries about the spoilers..I keep up with them because ME3 is so far away and I don't hate them as long as they aren't super plot-ruiners.
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Yeah, the asari are annoying that way. My parents don't see that, but they haven't seen much of the game. When they ask "Which characters are asari", I just say "There are a LOT of asari in the game", meaning "There are too many for me to name".
As for spoilers, I'm impressed with how well BioWare was doing. Back before ME 2 came out, they didn't do such a good job. First, they said that Shepard was dead. After that they had to spend some time convincing fans that Shepard isn't dead. They also showed the Normandy getting blown to bits in many videos, which was a major spoiler. They also showed all of the different squadmates. That wasn't bad, but it did effect how I talked to people in my first few playthroughs. I got the impression that they ALL, except for Garrus and Tali, prefer renegade acts, and I was under the impression that loyalty swings back and forth as the game progesses, and that Jacob will either hate you or like you depending on your choices. Why did I think all of that? Because that's what I read in articles about ME 2 before it came out. Obviously, none of them were true. Samara would kill a Renegade player if she was free from her code. Jacob likes you if you are nice to him, regardless of how nice or cruel you are to others. Loyalty doesn't swing back to forth, so siding with Miranda or Tali at the start doesn't effect their loyalty later in the game. Fortunately, and so far, I am going into ME 3 with a clean perception of things.
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I understand your feelings, I felt kinda like this when they released Liara's DLC and nothing about Kaidan or Ashley
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I know...the poor abandoned VS 
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And as I always claim: it must be EPIC!
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I admit that they focus on Liara a lot more in ME2 I just wish that you can actually talk to Kaiden or Ashely after Horizon. Cuz of that fact I have yet to remain loyal to Kaiden. Horizon just like broke my Kaiden fandom after my first play though.
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I wish that too. Or that Kaidan or Ashley would have been more than just mentioned by Liara.
Horizon made me angry but I guess I understand why it went that way.
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I have romance all the guys other then stayign faithful. I think my next one will stay faithful. Just to see what happens in ME3
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Yeah, I'm interested to see how the unfaithful LI plot will play out, so I should do an unfaithful playthrough to see how a scorned Kaidan reacts.
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hehe but would he really be suprised? Horizon was just terrible!
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Well he did send the message that just screeeeamed "wait for me!" Even if he was a prick on Horizon.
Maybe Shep went a little too overboard with jealousy. "Drinks with some doctor? I'M GOING TO F**K SOMEBODY ELSE!" hahah
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hahahahaa well that message just wasn't good enough for many, myself included.
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I feel the same way. She gets a whole DLC, she gets moments like that with Shep, and the only time post Horizon that either VS is mentioned is when she's all "I hear about what they said on Horizon". 
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I knoww. You can tell BioWare thinks she is the should-be LI for Shepard. And it shouldn't be that way.
I wanted to smack that smile off her face when Shepard invites her up to the Normandy. It's great if you're romancing Liara, but my Kaidan-faithful Shep wanted to yell out "IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!"
And Liara should at least have stalkerish videos of the VS, since she has stuff on literally everybody else. I have a feeling she's keeping the VS stuff from Shep.
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During the whole time my Ashley-faithful Shepard was talking to Liara in his cabin, he was imagining Ashley there and not listening to her.
On that note, I find it annoying that if you are being faithful to Ashley/Kaidan, Liara doesn't say something about it. No "Are you fighting for Ashley/Kaidan?". Liara asks that about your other LIs, even if you were unfaithful to her.
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- BIOWARE Y U NO WANTING ME LOVE KAIDAN!?
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"What? Fans actually like Kaidan?"
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YES. BIOWARE LET ME LOVE KAIDAN NAO.
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It seems we have more to fear than Reaper indoctrination
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Yikes. I don't know which is worse...though I'm sure many many people would not mind ---> [link]
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The asari are better, but that's only because they don't exterminate all life in the galaxy. Yet they give the same message the Reapers do, in a sense. Both of them say that their end is inevitable. When a Reaper says it, they mean that their victims will die. When an asari says it, she means that her partner will die long before she will, and they should enjoy their time together. I do wonder if an asari's mind meld is supposed to make the other person attracted. It certainly helps in getting an asari attracted to the other person. Look at how quickly Liara and Shiala fall for Shepard! And that was just one mind meld.
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I was only kidding
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Haha no worries, I was only joking also. I think it would make for a funny conspiracy theory, or a madman's rantings in Mass Effect 3, where someone believes the asari are mind controlling everyone
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Or the biggest twist in ME3: the Asari are using sex appeal to assist the Reapers.
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