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Published: 2015-02-03 19:38:00 +0000 UTC; Views: 3328; Favourites: 56; Downloads: 0
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EDIT: As I uploaded this to Twitter, some got upset that I wrote "GamerGaters" as that word was apparently used by the opposition to "separate" gamers and so on. I didn't know that when I wrote and uploaded it, so I changes it to "GamerGate". I'm glad people pointed it out early.Media, modern-feminists, Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu and Zoe Quinn keeps saying how horrible and awful GamerGate is, accusing the whole community for sending death- and rape threats to them and doxxing them and also stating that we are totally okay with it.
We aren't.
As I recently joined GamerGate, being a female and a gamer, I actually grew more annoyed by these accusations and articles. It makes you, as a woman in GamerGate, feel ignored. And as an artist, the best way to speak against all this, is through drawings. So, I decided to draw this little ''poster''. I did experiment with her hair and it feels even more alive and realistic with the new way I decided to shadow it
I am actually really proud of how this turned out!I might upload a gif soon of this, from sketch to the final version. But right now, I'm making another drawing that I will upload as fast as I can!
Vivan James © The Fine Young Capitalists
Art © Interela1000
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The war is still not over, it still rages on
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Uh. There's a psychopath who's talking about murdering briannabater because of this thread. He says he doesn't care if he goes to jail for killing her.
I'm going to assume that you're against murdering people, so I'm wondering if you might want to intervene.
I don't want to call the person out by name, but I think you know who it is.
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That was probably a troll
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How is him saying this my fault or how does it makes me the cause of it? I cannot control other peoples actions or thoughts. Some people have murdered because of movies, documentaries and so on, but it's not their issue to deal with. I'm not saying this to be rude or insensitive, but I can't take responsibility for something I haven't done. I haven't encourage this guy to threaten her or anything. In fact, I've told him to stop on multiple occasion and then he started to harass me for a while.
I don't think I have to state it anymore, but I'm against threats of any kind. Rape, murder, stalking, you name it.
I am sorry that Brianna has to receive these kinds of threats, but it's not my fault that she does. She's been harassing me and I asked for help to ban her or at least report her to the staff of DA for continuing harassing me and others and make false accusations about us that can ruin our life more than threats on the internet that can easily be reported to the staff, police, FBI and so on and then be forgotten.
False accusations can't be forgotten and we might even get our life ruined, even if their claims are proven false.
And if you're talking about whom I thinking about, then don't worry. His threats are empty and has no meaning to it at all. He's a simple troll or (as i suspect) a made up account by Brianna herself (since other hate accounts have been linked to her and her ''friend'').
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Glad to hear that you asked him to stop. I was not indicating responsibility, only that it would be nice if you have the ability to impact whether someone sends death threats to someone, it would be nice if you used it. Glad to hear that you think Torag won't follow-through on his death threats, but I'd feel better if he wasn't making them at all.
I'm sorry you feel "harassed" by me. Just imagine how you'd feel if people were threatening to kill you, right?
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I don't feel harassed by you. Why would I be?
Its just that you can't make it all my fault for a persons action. What one person do is not my responsibility to take because they saw the thread and decided to harass and send death threats to her. She commented her herself, harassing me for drawing Vivian James and spewed a bunch of lies. What she says will make people angry. But it's not my fault, just because it's on my thread.
I'm not a big artist, so I can influence anyone. I bet most people who commented on this artwork of mine knows who I am or even check out some other works I do. Brianna, however, has a lot of influence and following and is a lot bigger than me.
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The thing is, gamer gate doesn't have a defined leader like the feminist do. GG cells start up and shrivel away all the time. Kind of like religion, what one sect believes may not be what the other sect believes.
Of course, as always, a group is defined by its worst members.
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Indeed.
There are radical idiots in GG as well, but they don't speak for all of us. Not at all. In fact, we don't want anything to do with them at all.
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Exactly. And when we do doxx someone, it' because they're a bitch and deserve it.
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No.
Doxing is NEVER okay, unless they are doing something illegal. But even then, their personal information shouldn't be leaked online, but given to the police.
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Last warning:
Stop or I'll ban you or even report you for this. I do no accept this stuff on my page.
Being a fellow GG or not, you're still as bad as Brianna for using the exact same tactics as her.
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Brianna doxxes people? I've never heard that.
But she does complain a lot when people doxx her.
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That's not what I meant.
I meant that she also call people's names and hopes this and that happens to others and etc.
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She's said she hopes people get doxxed? I don't understand.
But whatever. You do your part by attacking bitches that say Gamergate doxxes people and I'll do my part.
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I won't attack anyone!
I figure you're just want to troll people at this moment
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Uh. Okay.
Well whatever you call it.
Keep making images about people you hate and spread them around to other websites.
Sure, I can troll them.
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Yes, because that's what I did. I took those screenshot because I hate them.
If you say stupid shit in public, be prepared for it to have actions. I wasn't considering doing that, but they stepped over the line and I cannot sit and let them do the same shit to other people as they did to me.
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Don't argue with me, I'm with you.
If a bitch comes onto my profile and starts complaining about getting rape threats from Gamergate, I'm going to go after them too.
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I argue with you because your meals are wrong. I don't care if your with me or not, I still don't think what you're doing is okay.
I'm not going no after them, I want them reported because they kept making false accusation about me and harassing me when I've done nothing wrong to them.
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Sorry about Charles' behavior towards you (and for what he said), Interela.
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I honestly to god think he's a sockpuppet account. He talks just like Brianna. Same mindset and same accusations about me.
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If you only want to report them, you just report them. That's easy.
Instead, you made half a dozen posts about these bitches and asked other people to do the same.
If you're against Gamergate, go whine and be against Gamergate.
Just don't pretend like you're a victim, okay. It makes the rest of us look like giant pussys.
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1. You sound a lot like Brianna, which is very scary. I start to wonder if you're her sockpuppet account. You bring up the same accusations over and over, which is not true. The reason I posted it was because one report doesn't ban her from DA. A lot of people do this when there is an obvious asshole roaming around a site.
2. I'm not against GamerGate. I'm in full support of GamerGate. But that doesn't mean I blindly accept help from shitty people like you who are in support of GamerGate.
3. And don't pretend to be a "hero", because you make the rest of the GamerGate community to look bad. You're the type of people that makes people side with these feminists, because you're blindly giving them more and more of the evidence that they need.
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Yes, yes, I'm sure EVERYone is Brianna.
You don't really know jack shit about Gamergate, do you?
Shit or get off the pot.
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I do, but it seems like you don't.
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Your people just posted my address and cell phone number on DA and I don't see anyone speaking up about that.
I just see more calls attacking me for being a feminist.
And threatening to rape me, which they say is especially "clever" given that I'm a rape survivor.
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You too? About a year ago they tried to dox my address, they got it wrong though. I feel sorry for the people living in my old house.
They're vile people.
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Those are trolls and I am pretty sure the majority of gamergaters doesn't approve of that treatment, as its wrong and unethical and stupid.
I'm sorry for what happened to you, but don't antagonise the rest of us for what some idiotic trolls or morons that calls themselves gamergaters does to you.
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Hi, just an interesting aside here. When a radfem makes a noise about something, regular feminists dismiss it and vocally oppose it. Why don't gamergaters en masse dismiss the toxic members of the GG community, like Sargon, Milo, Cernovich. They only have a platform because you gave it to them.
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I'm sorry, can you point me why Sargon is toxic? I'm not saying that he isn't, but I'm not accepting anything that is not solid evidence, and so far her videos seem to be him pointing up news, making fun of people with extremist, radical views, and he claims to be left aligned. IF anything, HE is the progressive guy dismissing radfems. Perhaps it's a matter of not wanting to admit certain people that you deem regular feminists are actually radfems, but that's only conjeture, I would like, if you feel confortable to see your opinion on this.
Can you also give me a good definition of toxic first though?
Can you also point me to a movement of regular feminists vocally opposing websites exploiting radfem supporting websites such as gawker, jezebel, we hunt the mammoth, the mary sue, kotaku and also anyone related to the gamejournopros debacle? Gamergate doesn't count. I'm kidding. But this is the kind of statement you're making. Don't actually try answer to this last one. Just ponder a little if you're actually arguing with good intentions and open mind or just trying to slam people that don't agree with your views.
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I would do all those things you asked of me but I know it won't change a thing. The rest of the us/the world/whatever you've decided to call us these days are pretty bored of it.
Cheerio!
(No, I'm slamming the group that attacked my friends, that continues to, despite it apparently being about "ethics in games journalism". I don't attack MRAs, vegetarians, heavy metal music, bronies, the GOP even though I don't like them.)
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What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I call you for it, absolutely nothing of what you have said in this conversation is true. You're simply a troll harassing people telling them their friends are terrible because you're bored.
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I'm going to need proof of that last claim.
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Oh, you're free to dismiss it. On your mind. After all, I did that claim without showing any evidence, just as you did.
You can be sure of whatever you feel about yourself. But you have no chance in hell of me changing my opinion about you until you stop acting like everyone showing dissent is some sort of unreasonable monster.
After all, I asked you quite gently to provide some footing to your OWN claims. You refused conversation, not me. You will be the one making the first step into rejoining a civilized conversation. And you will do it politely, and saying "Jeez, perhaps I was being unreasonable, let's have a real discussion, shall we?".
If you actually want to discuss, that is. Otherwise, I'll not take you seriously.
I hope you have a nice day in everything unrelated to your fringe, not "the-rest-of-us" ideology. I say this sincerely.
Cheers.
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All the claims I've made are well known. But, I'm well aware of the time-wasting tactic a lot of gamergaters seem to use. Most of us don't have the free time to archive and build legal-type cases for our opinions and findings. What do they call it, sealioning? All I know for sure is gamergate people have targeted friends of mine, and just today searching the hashtag on Twitter I see a lot of angry people. I don't think I've seen a reasonable tweet under that HT.
As an aside, I wonder why so many MRAs, gamergaters, racists, sexists, band together with the alt-right.
Another interesting aside, just talking to friends here about how IRL friends were targeted by GG resulted in my posts being screenshotted by the original artist telling others not to "attack us". I find that interesting. You'd think that if you'd rather people not attack others you'd mask names. But what do I know, other than my career in the games industry.
I've long realised you can't really negotiate with gamergaters. Each time its "well that's not real gamergate", whats that called? The "no true scotsman"? (apologies for this, I don't argue online. You're all better equipped than me for this). And yet even the self-proclaimed good ones will do the actions as mentioned before - posting screenshots with names using the hashtag.
I'm not prepared to waste energy. If there's anything you'd like to know ask away though.
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You are just finding every excuse to not provide evidence. The reason for that is because you're lying
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Actually, it's called a weak man fallacy. It's "everyone that says this thing should be measured by the worst member of that group, because I say so". It's a fallacy. It's also easy to notice when it's being used when people start trying to draw arbirtrary lines when it's actually okay to use it and not. Look upwards in the conversation when you're trying to say that feminists shouldn't be affected by it because they surely already are vocally opposed to radicals. The answer to the conundrum is not "But feminists are immune to this fallacy because they actually do something about it". The solution is "Don't use fallacies in the first place". Feminist shouldn't be judged by the worst part of their movement.
Also saying "band together with the alt-right" is a bulverism. You're basically implying "oh, you only say that because you're right wing, so your argument is invalid" or at least, if you're not saying it, you want to act as if the implications of such alignment are obvious.
I love also the implication that GGers have more free time than you, as you're some sort of upstanding good citizen and they're some sort of social rejects. Isn't that some sort of social-inadecuacy shaming or something like that? How very progressive of you.
But it's true, as a gamer I accumulated many friends, some online, some offline, of varied places, Some of them are socially inadecuate and they're still my friends. I myself am quite socially inadecuate, having received actual bullying for being odd through a nice part of my childhood.
However, unlike you even if I work fulltime I have time to answer your questions, and I have lived in the third world for a nice chunk of my life, moving countries actually set back my career several years. I have a hard time thinking that you have a life so filled of action and stress to the point you can't actually archive anything but just enough so you have time to post here. (and actually inform yourself about the things you seem to imply you're well informed off)
I have a hard time believing that this can be the case with 99% of the antis I speak with. All of them are in this nice little balance where they can be perfectly informed but don't have time to argument correctly. And this is not a new attitude of people that have been speaking about this subject for a long time. From month 0 (and even earlier, before gamergate was called gamergate) this attitude of yours was quite popular already. But hey, I'll call it as it is, that's just anecdotical evidence. (Just as your "this is well known")
I already told I'll not take you seriously unless you can back up anything. "It is well know" means absolutely nothing to me, since I can say it too. For every gamergater it is well known that you're lying. However most of them have archive links, and you don't. It doesn't make them "basement dwellers that have to not be heard". It actually just makes YOU less right than them.
Frankly, I don't care if you actually have time or not. If you don't have time to bring archives, then it simply means you can't back it up. Too bad. But you said it yourself, We're better equiped than you, because as everyone of us is putting archive links, we have evidence our truth is real. You will remain not been taken seriously.
As for your friend stories? Probably all of them are fake and twisted to gain political points. Look how nice is not to have to back up anything! But only when I can do it!
All you have to cry about is how OP posted your name while explicily asking for people not to harass you. This is the only bit of truth that has come up from your keyboard so far, and it's like you're figurativelly saying "See? they're asking in code for me to be harassed". Too bad you actually have to back that up too, and for that to happen, you would actually have to read OP mind. For you, her asking for you to not be harassed while showcasing your actual words is harassment. Want me to actually post archive links of people telling gamergaters to die? How about I show you the antiGG figureheads that actually fave this kind of remarks. How about I show you an antiGGer figurehead being sexist or racist. How about I show you antiGG figureheads saying that "but it's ok to showcase GGers with their words, they should be responsible for what they say. Free speech is not without consecuences". Why it shouldn't be applied to you then? Why are you not decrying it publicly when they do it? I mean, you said your group shouldn't be applied to weak man fallacies because you actually punish the harassing behaviour, and you called a objectively nicer behaviour something bad.
Yes, you don't want to see that. With the the derailing kind of arguing that you have shown clearly that as you said, you're not well equiped for this. And I'll give you that favor, I'll not make you defend your position. You will be able to go back to your bed thinking you're the good guy.
If you actually want to have this conversation, I mean, with me taking you seriously, I have already told you what you must do. If you can even tell me to "go look in the hashtag!" then perhaps YOU can do it, and actually bring all that tasty evidence that I'll claim again doesn't exist. It's easy but otherwise I'll not even bother with dissecting your posts from now on.
Have a terrific time, I hope you sleep well.
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"how very progressive of you"
I have no idea where I ever implied I was.
I guess that's it all summed up. You're implying things about me due to the "us v them" mentality the alt-right also uses. I'm not really a fan of that.
Finally, like I said, if you have any questions for me feel free to ask away. I can't guarantee when I'll have the time to reply until after Christmas now. I'd rather you asked questions about me instead of making things up (getting strong vibes of when, last year, if I said I was a feminist GGers would label me an SJW just automatically. It's pretty strange you do that but hey some people must grab whatever happiness they can in this world!). I'm used to sealioning like I said so if you want to just skip that part and have a regular discussion and not some faux legal setup that'd be nice. Remember: I'm not from "that" part of the internet where arguing and such is common. I don't have the time to mess around so please lets keep it direct, okay? Otherwise you may cease discussion. For example, I would ask-
- Are you happy being a pawn of right-wing news sites and people cashing in like Sommers, Milo, etc?
- Do you remember what Milo said about us gamers?
- Are you one of those that believe the term "gamer" means a "gamergater"? (I ask this because I see a lot of people trying to refer to all gamers in broad sweeping statements.
- Are you one of those that genuinely thought those "gamers are dead" articles were super serious and aimed at everyone who plays games? (probably an extension to the previous question)
- Are you against feminism, if so why? Additional: I hope you don't confuse feminism with radical feminism.
- Why do a lot of gamergates use words like "fag" so freely, and use racist stereotypings? I've seen so many "artfags" "gamefags" type naming schemes. Is it a degrading tactic, or a way to detach emotion from something otherwise loaded with it?
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You are genuinely avoiding his questions
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Nope. Not happening. I told you what to say. I can actually answer those questions, some of the answers might even surprise you, some ARE interesting questions, some are also terribly loaded. A sign that you actually have the time to mess around. But if YOU can't do your part, you're not getting anything more from me.
For you, bringing evidence of your side is "loosing time", for me it's listening to your "another interesting asides" while you refuse to stand on solid ground.
I started making very reasonable questions. And it's not my turn to answer.
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We did all that last year, we know there's nothing you can do to sway people who are ingrained into certain groups. It's a lost cause and serves only to waste the time of those engaging.
Overall one just needs to look at US politics for a prediction of where things are heading. The far right goes further and further right. But yeah, if you're just going to demand evidence for opinions and resources for things that I don't keep track of - then we've reached the end of this, rather technical, discussion. It hasn't been pleasant. I prefer to talk friendly, I deal with enough solicitors with my work as it is. (I run a studio that creates middleware engines. So there are lots of contracts to deal with)
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I would prefer to talk friendly too. But in this same conversation you're labeling a lot of people as harassers. I can't actually accept that kind of statements without backing. And you can ask me to accept that, but I'll simply not do it.
For you it might be obvious but it's not for me.
I've been picked up out of context by Sarah Butts in one of her many contextless screencaps that actually include names. You know, Sarah Butts, that big antiGG figure head. She has spent more than a year doing this to loads of people. Are you vocal against her? I don't care, lots of antiGG figureheads actually supported her. She of course refused to provide links along with her screencap, because if people could easily see the conversation she would look stupid.
Even This Brianna batter girl from this same conversation got so enraged at me saying that she can't use her experiences to do blanket statements somehow felt the need to go to my DA frontpage to expose me as the evil rape denier Im surely am in a colorful enough manner. I sincerely wouldn't be surprised that she would have gone even more far away if I had more public information. The fun thing is that I'm actually a victim of sexual assault. But hey, wathever works for her.
You see, I have my own anecdotical evidence of what your side does. I know you actually want to say, "we're not a side", but I'll simply not allow yourself to redefine as the mainstream position. The whole world is not against me. The whole world is actually unaware of this conversation, that doesn't mean they think people reporting their friends is a good thing. That doesn't mean the whole world thinks that cronyism is ok. That doesn't mean that they think protecting the consumer is bad, or that the way to better society is the 'pc' way.
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1) But did you deny Brianna's rape?
2) What side, by the way? It's like I said earlier, a lot of gamergaters make assumptions (who is and isn't a "gamer", who is and isn't an "SJW"). The only thing I've remotely hinted at being is a feminist. I might be a Sommers style "feminist but not really a feminist" character, or a radfem "kill all men!" feminist, or an intersectional feminist, or hey I could also be an MRA. If you're unsure about something you're free to ask.
Could you link me to her tweet regarding something you said? I'd be interested to see the tweet and then the post in context if that's okay.
3) If PC, or progression, isn't the way to improve society, what is for you?
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Why should I be answering questions when you couldn't even begin to answer mine? If you believe I have time to answer those questions, then perhaps, you can begin by answering the two I sent to you first. There's no reason to believe your time is more important than mine. Saying "I want to have a friendly conversation" doesn't somehow makes up for the gap between reasonable and unreasonable.
If I answer these will you even answer my initial two? Will you even start to give me evidence?
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Hi, could you link me to Sarah Butts post please. I'm interested in what was said.
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Nah, I have no interest in people knowing who I'm in twitter. Sorry.
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I hate to use this but I don't believe what you said happened. We can't just listen and believe, after all.
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