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BEFORE people start shouting out "omg Nudity!!"--
He's SITTING. Wow so explicit!
NOT.
Poor Max. He has to put up with a failing Uppercrust and his "armor", that poisonous dark half.
And poor Uppercrust, 'cause he has to deal with bitter memories and now this crazy abusive kid.
And somehow we got a self-proclaimed Satanist and an atheist in the same bed. Oh THIS can't go wrong at all!
WHAT FUN. 8DDD
(I really hope you know who Bradley's referring to-- otherwise you haven't been paying attention or haven't read "After Today" >___>)
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I can't tell you the end of it all 'cause it'd be spoiling it 
(It is a long story 
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I your talking and I think I've read the crash one. I don't know. I can't remember =/
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Um.. well I don't know where you would be on then?
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It's fine i'll figure out i am again
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Uh...
Long story. VERY long story... >___>;;;
*clears throat*
No this isn't normal, nor should it be promoted in real life in terms of politics and laws by the State, because that actually sickens me!
Therefore, this story revolves around moral wrong that should be corrected.
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Oh. Least you aren't confusing atheists with Satanists.
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People confuse Satanists with atheists?
I was atheist at some point, but I "returned" to the faith, in a sense. I'm Roman Catholic. Struggling and flawed like everyone else, of course
(I don't go bible-beating or anything 'cause that'd be acting as a fanatic 
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Didn't you know?
Atheists are confused with many different things that are easily demonized.
Including communists, stalinists, mao-ists, nazis and whoever else faux news wants to demonize!
All for the mere lack of a belief in god/s/higher powers.
Like I said. Agnostic Atheist. And I'm fine where I am.
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All those groups you mentioned strived to make sure God's name was never spoken in public, as to separate the State completely from any sort of religion.
In turn, they became their own gods.
It's good to be skeptical. People have different opinions about many controversial topics. But it's up to only them, if they want to look into it more (research or whatever), and change their minds.
I can't impose anything on you; many of my friends are atheist or protestant, even a couple Wiccan. But being an Agnostic Atheist is your opinion and mindset
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Actually, the nazi party was christian.
I don't know why you are adding a "but being" if you are only going to agree with me that being Agnostic Atheist is what I am.
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Strange how they replaced the Bible with the Mein Kampf, then
I'm pretty sure some members of the Nazi Party were Christian, but they had to take orders like everyone else.
Oh sorry, my bad. It's just that whenever I write a response it gets all "flowery" or "poetic" (I write stories and junk too 
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Not strange at all. Though out history the bible has been translated, reworded, ran through political filters, used to justify things like owning slaves, beating children, and killing people that just happen not to agree with you. One can cherry pick out all the niceties like "god is love" or "love thy neighbor" all you want, but among all that there is also "blessed is he who dashes thy little ones against the rocks" and "If little children make fun of gods' prophets for being bald, these prophets will curse the little children and send two she bears to rip them into little pieces".
Rather gruesome stuff.
You should read Mein Kampf. Hitler explains that he was "defending himself against the jew" and "trying to do the lords' work."
Your wording wasn't flowery or poetic. It seemed what you were not meaning it to be. Then again, I might be reading too much into that...
And yes. These regimes that attempted to control and push the people ended up making themselves in to the gods that they hated in the other world religions.
You made a good point there. Glad to see that I am speaking with a thinking mind.
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The original word is still there, but there are people who take what they need and dump the rest, or twist it to their necessity. That's the problem set up since Luther divided the Church.
Not all religious people are fanatics. You're talking about the ones that have "all faith" and "no reason". They don't realize that one needs faith and reason if they are to practice their religion--and not abuse others to justify their means. Of course, this also depends on what religion it is...
Last time I checked atheists weren't so pressing on making believers change their point of view.
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Problem is that it really isn't. The bible is based on the torah and the original writers of the new testiment? Nobody knows for sure.
Paragraph two. Where did I say that all religious folk are nutters?
However your next statement within this paragraph.
"faith"
For me faith is useless. Faith is belief without or even worse despite the evidence.
Atheists don't really have to make believers do anything. Most current atheists were at one time believers themselves. Atheism isn't a religion, it is a lack there of.
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Okay then. That's your opinion.
"Faith" is the equivalent of "hope". If there is no hope, then there's nothing to look forward to in life.
I know it's not a religion. = P
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Hope isn't faith. Hope has probability behind it.
I hope that I can earn enough money to buy a new computer. I hope I pass my drivers' test, I hope that we can remain civil.
In my arguments with people I like to keep my definitions very clear, precise and to the point.
We can argue over flavors of "faith". But in whole of it, when we speak of 'faith' we are talking religious faith. Blind faith. Belief without evidence.
So, Hope isn't an equivocation of 'faith'.
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If you insist...
Now explain how we're able to live in the first place. What gave us that first heartbeat in the womb? Creation of the universe? There must have been a catalyst. Something can't come from nothing.
By the way, the Big Bang Theory was suggested by a religious. Same with the Law of Gravity. You may already know it, since it seems you're so wise. Religion supports science (concrete, evident discoveries and whatnot) and encourages advancement, just as long as these advancements are for the good of humanity. But since we have free will, technology has its beneficial side as well as a detrimental side...
You're providing a very interesting discussion here. =]
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Oh Most Excellent! Logical fallacies!
"If you insist...
Now explain how we're able to live in the first place."
I continue to live by eating, breathing, urinating, defecating and sleeping. Pretty simple biological processes.
"What gave us that first heartbeat in the womb?"
Question begging. Love it. You are assuming that something did give us our "first heartbeat". We understand how cells organize themselves and how organs form in the womb. There is in fact a whole field of science dedicated to it. It's called Embryology.
"Creation of the universe?"
The use of the word 'creation' has too many religious trappings to it. So again. Begging the question you are.
"There must have been a catalyst. Something can't come from nothing."
That is a contradictory statement you have going there. If the universe had to have a catalyst, and something can't come from nothing, where did your god come from?
"By the way, the Big Bang Theory was suggested by a religious. Same with the Law of Gravity. You may already know it, since it seems you're so wise."
Argument from authority. There are many scientists who are of different faiths. Why the fuck should I care? Their religion isn't what spurs them to do science or what they discover.
"Religion supports science (concrete, evident discoveries and whatnot) and encourages advancement, just as long as these advancements are for the good of humanity. But since we have free will, technology has its beneficial side as well as a detrimental side..."
That would be a negatory. Religion is about belief without evidence. Science changes its views based on the evidence. The closest religion that comes to 'science' would be Jaunism.
"You're providing a very interesting discussion here. =]"
Not really. Most all this stuff is just a repeat for me.
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God is infinite. One is not supposed to understand everything about Him. You reduce human beings to machines without a soul, without feeling, emotion. Without the Church there would be no schools, hospitals... Colleges from where educated people such as yourself get the information in the first place.
You're losing your head here... Calm yourself.
If this is merely a repeat for you then there's not much else to say, is there?
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Round two. I love these little 'talks'.
"God is infinite."
Thus far you haven't shown me any evidence that this god even exists.
"One is not supposed to understand everything about Him."
Then how do you even know that this god is infinite or that it even exists?
"You reduce human beings to machines without a soul, without feeling, emotion."
I would like evidence that 'souls' exist, or even what a soul is.
Next. Emotion is a biological thing, all other animals have emotions and biologically, we are animals.
"Without the Church there would be no schools, hospitals... Colleges from where educated people such as yourself get the information in the first place."
Bold assertion. There were places of learning, hospitals and medicine long before there were 'churches'. However again, argument from authority. Why should I care about the religious roots of a college when I am there to learn about biological evolution?
"You're losing your head here... Calm yourself."
Please don't project yourself on to me.
"If this is merely a repeat for you then there's not much else to say, is there?"
That doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be said again. I am just saying it to a different person. A person who thinks that most likely they have the 'magic bullet' that will stump me or something of the like.
Thus far? Arguments from authority, question begging and circular reasoning. I am waiting for the arguments from ignorance and the ad homs to start flying really. Maybe a few red herrings and an ad hock or two.
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Hmm... You're just going to keep on doing this until you assume you've won, correct?
I sense pride.
Granted, I like your enthusiasm.
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Funny, I sense a fish. A Red Herring to be precise.
After all, you've stopped addressing the points and counter points being made and are trying to back out of conversation.
That is what a Red Herring is. A distraction tactic. going into nothing that deals with the topic at hand in an attempt to confuse/belittle/embarrass/or cause the opponent to submit.
Least you like something. I have addressed the things that you have brought up, countered your 'arguments' or the points that you have thought would stump me, and this is the best you are giving me?
Making some irrelevant question about 'winning' and then calling me prideful?
IZZY, I am disappointed. You can do better than that. Come! Were is your Ad Hock to save your drowning arguments? Granted this is edging to an ad hom.. Edging being the key word here. This is more of a watered down attempt at one.
But come on. At least you could pick up some of the tactics found on a common creationist/apologetics site.
Then again, if you just want to concede and be done with it, like the lad who didn't go down the hole he found under the hill, no one will think lesser of you...
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Yeah... now it seems like I'm being mocked. I speak in the language of a layman and an artist with an abstract way of thinking. I could provide links to certain websites, if you were interested in the religious part of the argument.
On a personal level, my areas of "expertise" are in the discussion of abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, growing socialism in this country--concrete topics--All that good stuff...
I will thank you for providing the meaning of a "Red Herring", though.
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You're not being mocked.
If you feel that way, Sorry, I have no control over how you feel.
I am sure you have seen my art gallery, I have an abstract mind, but think with a scientific analytical mind.
You can if you like. I have seen a dozen of them, answers in genesis and way of the master are two that come to mind. Both of which are biased and completely wrong about their information.
Ah, so you are against the things that I support.
I support gay marriage. I think that we need to think more about others than just relying on capitalism to lead the way. Euthanasia and abortion are sticky topics cause they deal with an uncomfortable topic.
Death.
Euthanasia should be a right of a person. If they are suffering and want to die and there isn't anything that can be done, then they should have the Right to die. Should it be up to someone else? Most likely not.
Abortion? Again, there are situations that may call for it. Insect, rape, the mothers' life at risk? These things leave scars deeper than just what can be seen.
Then there's the fact that there are a large percentage of eggs that are fertilized and never attach to the uterine walls.
And my area of 'expertise'?
Atheism and sciences. Particularly Biology.
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Marriage should be preserved between a man and a woman.
It makes PERFECT sense in the "biological" spectrum.
If animals have ever proven otherwise, we do not justify our own actions. Unlike animals WE have free will. The power to do what WE think is right, regardless of moral standards.
The point of SEX is to PROCREATE. To PRESERVE the human species.
Countries are going through a demographic winter as we speak.
I would like to know which religion you have been practicing before becoming an atheist. It seems apparent that you either did not care from the beginning, or they have failed you in providing better answers, I'm not the best at the "religious" side of the faith. I'm the common sense type, and I still ask questions about religion.
I have NO problem with talking about DEATH. We live in a culture full of it.
Death strikes at ANY time. We do not have the right to "relieve suffering". Getting rid of a child (born OR unborn) or elderly person for "the greater good" just means LESS MONEY TO PAY.
Everything in this world is easier when we have money. Money. Money. Money. No having to pay for food, for medical expenses. A great financial burden is taken off our shoulders.
Most women that end up aborting-- end up being miserable.
That scar runs very deep as well.
Pro-Abortion, or "Pro-Choice", is the way the marketing organization likes to put it, because it sounds less harsh.
And politically correct, which again is a justification of bad behaviors.
Where's the "choice" to kill off the defenseless, usually after the woman is forced to do so under the conditions. Either the parents, most likely the boyfriend with the threat of leaving her.
Do they ever consider adoption?? No?
I guess not.
Just keep in mind that there are many infertile couples that would love to have a child of their own, preferably not a gay couple, because for the development of the child, they'll need both sexes. For example, a boy will need to attach to the mother for the breast-feeding, and other nourishment. Once they're old enough, they look to the male model in their lives, particularly the father, to teach him the ways of living his role in society.
Unfortunately, there are many broken families, foster care homes (which can be devastating; some caretakers are abusive), and other less-than-ideal situations. I understand that.
Don't you think in the case of rape and incest, killing off the child is stooping down to that other demon's level? Just a thought. Fetuses are just a mound of tissue. That's what you believe.
The world is not perfect. The world is Hell on Earth.
I'm fighting against the wave that tells me that there is no God, that we can do whatever we want whenever we want to do it.
Succumb to earthly pleasures, become a slave to our passion, and not care.
There is a book that I think would be fun to read:
What Is Secular Humanism: Why Humanism Became Secular and How It Is Changing Our World_by_James Hitchcock
I have it in my hands right now. It was published in, let's see... 1982. How time flies.
Also, there's a YouTube Channel--you may not care for it-- That I think will be a good supplementation for the "religious" part of the faith.
But what I like about this guy, Michael Voris, is that he's the no-nonsense type. He addresses the issues at hand directly. He's not wishy-washy. This may prove to be impressive, or downright offensive.
If it's offensive, then it works.
[link]
Not only does he speak of the outside world, but he even exposes the lies within the Church. Relgion is not corrupt. The people, those individuals corrupt the way it is taught. And that's why many are doubting "faith". I don't blame them. I don't blame you.
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More logical fallacies! Yay!
"Marriage should be preserved between a man and a woman.
It makes PERFECT sense in the "biological" spectrum."
The naturalistic fallacy. Because it is natural or 'makes sense in the biological spectrum' it must be right.
There are so many things wrong with this.
One, love, human affection and sexual preference are kinda out of our hands on a genetic level.
Secondly marrage hasn't been sacred on any level. Just look at hetrosexual couples.
"If animals have ever proven otherwise, we do not justify our own actions."
Because there aren't any homosexual relations in the animal kingdom at all, nope siry bob...
Well except for lions, horses, elephants, baboons, house cats, mice, geese, pigs, ducks, sheep, gorilla, zeebra, rabbits, moose and foxes...Oh and humans.
"Unlike animals WE have free will. The power to do what WE think is right, regardless of moral standards."
We are animals. Genetics pretty much clears that up.
"The point of SEX is to PROCREATE. To PRESERVE the human species."
Wizz bang of a job going there, what is it now, 7 billion humans? I say that we curb those numbers by not having anymore. But wait! People will have sex whether we want them to or not!
We might as well make sex safe, and give people the ability to Choose whether or not they want children.
Course, we aren't the only species that has sex for fun.
"Countries are going through a demographic winter as we speak."
You need to explain more of this. It doesn't make much sense.
"I would like to know which religion you have been practicing before becoming an atheist. It seems apparent that you either did not care from the beginning, or they have failed you in providing better answers, I'm not the best at the "religious" side of the faith. I'm the common sense type, and I still ask questions about religion."
In the begining I was no religion. Religion never crossed my mind until I turned seven years old. Before then it never crossed my mind about where things came from if there were things controling the weather or what have you. Only when my mom introduced us kids to the seventh day adventist church did I get a taste of religion.
From 7 to about 14ish we were part of the church.
I did try to be part of what they were teaching, what was going on there. But it just wasn't for me.
There was a great deal of hypocracy among the church and things that chaffed me.
However, I found what other people believed, other religions, those of the native americans, and particularly asian peoples to be fascinating. Later I expanded my learning of them by taking a Mythology class in high school. Later still I learned about the various sects that make up the major monotheistic religions.
So yes. In the begining, I wasn't into the whole religious thing. I learned that they didn't want me doing things and that jesus was coming again, but they didn't seem to have to have any answers when it came to questions I had about things.
So I didn't ask them. To me, that's what libraries and schools were for. ^.^
"I have NO problem with talking about DEATH. We live in a culture full of it.
Death strikes at ANY time. We do not have the right to "relieve suffering". Getting rid of a child (born OR unborn) or elderly person for "the greater good" just means LESS MONEY TO PAY."
You're not getting what I am saying. If I am suffering, there isn't any way out, and I have all my facicalties in order.
I should have the right to say "I want to die."
Also, did I make mention that one of the rules of internet conduct says that putting words in caps doesn't drive your point across, it just makes you look like a dink?
We have explaination marks for a reason.
"Everything in this world is easier when we have money. Money. Money. Money. No having to pay for food, for medical expenses. A great financial burden is taken off our shoulders."
Resources are better than money. I could have all the money in the world, but if there isn't anything to buy, the only thing I can do is burn it to keep myself warm.
"Most women that end up aborting-- end up being miserable.
That scar runs very deep as well.
Pro-Abortion, or "Pro-Choice", is the way the marketing organization likes to put it, because it sounds less harsh.
And politically correct, which again is a justification of bad behaviors.
Where's the "choice" to kill off the defenseless, usually after the woman is forced to do so under the conditions. Either the parents, most likely the boyfriend with the threat of leaving her."
Yay for blanket statements. Tell me, do you have a uterus?
"Do they ever consider adoption?? No?"
Here, have a baby. Now raise the baby, feed the baby, and care for the baby. Now get a job to help pay for baby's medical costs. Now help the baby become a toddler. Now help the toddler become a child. Now help the child become a teenager. Worry about your teenager, worry about what they do, teach teenager about sex. Tell teen not to have it. Teen has it anyway, teen regrets it. Help teen or shun teen now, teen might turn to alcohol, teen gets drunk, if your lucky teen doesn't get into car. Help teen through high school. Now help teen reach their early 20's. Now help them through college.
Guess what? 20 years have passed.
Kids are a large investment, just putting them up for adoption is like equivocating them to the level of "My dog had puppies, oh well, someone 'else' can care for these puppies!".
After all, if you think that it is so easy to just adopt a child. Go ahead. Do It. Tell me how it goes.
"I guess not.
Just keep in mind that there are many infertile couples that would love to have a child of their own, preferably not a gay couple, because for the development of the child, they'll need both sexes. For example, a boy will need to attach to the mother for the breast-feeding, and other nourishment. Once they're old enough, they look to the male model in their lives, particularly the father, to teach him the ways of living his role in society."
Yay more blanket statements! Family is family, no matter where you find them.
"Unfortunately, there are many broken families, foster care homes (which can be devastating; some caretakers are abusive), and other less-than-ideal situations. I understand that."
Can you?
"Don't you think in the case of rape and incest, killing off the child is stooping down to that other demon's level? Just a thought. Fetuses are just a mound of tissue. That's what you believe."
I can't tell if you are strawmanning me or trying to insult me here.
Yes a fetus isn't a person yet. Birth is the hard defining line. It doesn't matter if it is out the vagina or out the belly, that is the hard defining line. Before then it is a fuzzy grey and strange area. It is the area of "potential".
That blob of cells has the Potental in becoming a human. It also has the potenial of killing a mother, ending up in the tubes instead of the womb, being still born or having a whole host of genetic problems.
And please. Don't tell me what you think I believe. That's a strawman argument.
"The world is not perfect. The world is Hell on Earth."
I dissagree. Heaven and hell are concepts we make on earth.
"I'm fighting against the wave that tells me that there is no God, that we can do whatever we want whenever we want to do it.
Succumb to earthly pleasures, become a slave to our passion, and not care."
And yet, I am an atheist who doesn't do whatever the hell he wants whenever the hell he wants. Go Figure. I wonder why that is. Wait. I don't.
It's due to the fact that there are concequences to my actions. It's due to the fact that if I went out killing, maiming, stabbing raping, masturbating in public or stealing from others, that there would be concequences in how people view me and what would happen to me afterwards.
I would most likely be locked away in a prison or a mental ward. Stripped of my freedoms. The people I care about around me would most likely not want to be around me because I am going against what we want in our society.
And eventually I would die alone.
I kinda don't want that. By having a simple form of empathy I can derive an easy 'path of morality'.
"There is a book that I think would be fun to read:
What Is Secular Humanism: Why Humanism Became Secular and How It Is Changing Our World_by_James Hitchcock
I have it in my hands right now. It was published in, let's see... 1982. How time flies."
Is it actually about Secular Humanism or is it a bit of propganda that blames secular humanism for what some see as the 'evils' of the world?
"Also, there's a YouTube Channel--you may not care for it-- That I think will be a good supplementation for the "religious" part of the faith.
But what I like about this guy, Michael Voris, is that he's the no-nonsense type. He addresses the issues at hand directly. He's not wishy-washy. This may prove to be impressive, or downright offensive.
If it's offensive, then it works.
[link]
Not only does he speak of the outside world, but he even exposes the lies within the Church. Relgion is not corrupt. The people, those individuals corrupt the way it is taught. And that's why many are doubting "faith". I don't blame them. I don't blame you."
Yay! And we end with a channel called "RealCatholicTV". It's almost a "No True Scotsman Fallacy". Almost.
Now lastly. I would like to say that being offended is actually a good thing. However knowing Why you are offended is even better.
There is a good reason why the Catholic church offends me. They don't practice what they preach. They tell people that condoms won't stem the spread of things like HIV. They spread their religion by way of the bloody sword when setting out into the 'new world' and forced the children to learn their ways and not the ways of their native culture.
And of course there is the numbers of children who have been molested.
All these things offend me due to the fact that it is violating someone elses rights in the matter of things. It is violating trust and spreading disinformation.
In a way my time with the SDA church was a good thing.
They don't teach a literal heaven or hell, they don't have all this hard dogma, they just have a bunch of crazy end of the world doomsday sayers that wash your feet and give you grape juice and unleven bread.
It vaccinated me against the majority of religions. It made me look critically at them and ask myself, "How is this different from what I learned there?"
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No one knows when the world will end. Loyal Catholics do not preach a Doomsday.
Most "Catholics" just carry their religion as a title. They're downright flaky. Oh, they can call themselves good people. But whenever something controversial comes up, "oh no!"
To not get into conflict, they just accept whatever the majority tells them. You are part of this majority.
I think exclamation points are more threatening
Google "global warming eugenics population control"
I'd provide you a stunning program from RealCatholic TV, but you seem the type to stick to your own dogmas and close your mind to everything else... (I'd even give you a link to Vigilant Citizen and his talk of Illuminati and Satanism in the mainstream media, but that's a totally different topic ^_^)
Yes. Everyone has brought up the child molestation issue. These cases were true; some had been brought up long after they happened. Those dogs were excommunicated by the Church. Has there ever been a corrupt Bishop? Maybe. Again. The religion, if taught the right way, and not in the ways to conform to modern society, is a good thing. But it's not supposed to be forced on people by the "way of the sword"... I haven't threatened to kill you yet, have I?
Yes, as a matter of fact I do have a uterus. Thank you for noticing. I'm not a feminist; I don't support their ways.
Men are the heads of their families, whereas the women are the hearts of their families. You can't switch them around.
Call me the worst bitch you have ever met; I'm used to hearing cases of abuse towards the spouse, mainly the woman. I've grown indifferent to this.
What about those men that get abused? They have less right in court. Why? Well I don't know. Looks can be decieving.
Back to the uterus. Disabled children with genetic problems. Once they're out in the world, living life as they can, people care for them. And love them regardless.
Oh. But if the expectant mother realizes beforehand that their child will have a host of problems: Kill it. Simple enough
Have you ever looked at aborted children? Any videos? The way they suck 'em up in vaccums, fry them with solution, eviscerating them-- All that fun stuff? Oh, it's really fun.
Forgive me I'm a bit sadistic.
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"No one knows when the world will end. Loyal Catholics do not preach a Doomsday."
Laughable. Now you are going into the 'no true Scotsman fallacy'.
"Most "Catholics" just carry their religion as a title. They're downright flaky. Oh, they can call themselves good people. But whenever something controversial comes up, "oh no!"
To not get into conflict, they just accept whatever the majority tells them. You are part of this majority."
Again. No true Scotsman. Then again it could be showing the decline in religion.
"Google "global warming eugenics population control"
I'd provide you a stunning program from RealCatholic TV, but you seem the type to stick to your own dogmas and close your mind to everything else... (I'd even give you a link to Vigilant Citizen and his talk of Illuminati and Satanism in the mainstream media, but that's a totally different topic ^_^)"
Here's your tinfoil hat. The corner and what ever thing you think will keep the evil mind control rays out of your head. ^.^
"Yes. Everyone has brought up the child molestation issue. These cases were true; some had been brought up long after they happened. Those dogs were excommunicated by the Church. Has there ever been a corrupt Bishop? Maybe. Again. The religion, if taught the right way, and not in the ways to conform to modern society, is a good thing. But it's not supposed to be forced on people by the "way of the sword"... I haven't threatened to kill you yet, have I?
It's that Yet in there that is setting me off. And history tells us otherwise.
"Yes, as a matter of fact I do have a uterus. Thank you for noticing. I'm not a feminist; I don't support their ways.
Men are the heads of their families, whereas the women are the hearts of their families. You can't switch them around."
Awesome, what are you doing here and not having children?
"Call me the worst bitch you have ever met; I'm used to hearing cases of abuse towards the spouse, mainly the woman. I've grown indifferent to this.
What about those men that get abused? They have less right in court. Why? Well I don't know. Looks can be decieving."
It's all indifferent until it happens to you.
"Back to the uterus. Disabled children with genetic problems. Once they're out in the world, living life as they can, people care for them. And love them regardless.
Oh. But if the expectant mother realizes beforehand that their child will have a host of problems: Kill it. Simple enough 
Get pregnant. And deal with the issue first hand please.
"Have you ever looked at aborted children? Any videos? The way they suck 'em up in vaccums, fry them with solution, eviscerating them-- All that fun stuff? Oh, it's really fun.
Forgive me I'm a bit sadistic."
I have seen videos of this. They're not for me. Just because something makes me sick to me stomic doesn't mean that it isn't a helpful medical practice.
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Don't much care about "Scotsman fallacy".
Before I forget, back to the homosexual and heterosexual issue, please don't confuse love with lust.
Two men or two women together is not natural. We're above animals. We have a brain that can "reason". Animals go by instinct.
Straight couples that have sex before marriage are also on the wrong side of the tracks.
History has told many stories. A wonderful one is the persecution of those who are religious. The religion that has been attacked the most is Catholicism. Many martyrs to that faith that many need to tear down.
You do know that this country was founded by Freemasons, yes?
A number of politicians today are as well. They find power in support from groups that support gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia, etc etc etc.
Within all that we see around us--mass media--there's an underlying message. Reject God, accept Illuminati. Be free, be happy. Do whatever you want how you want it... That's called Satanism.
It's easier to control the population when there is no God.
A wonderful example, circling back to the beginning of this conversation, are those Communist/Socialist governments.
We're pretty close to being one as well. All thanks to our way of thinking and justifying actions contrary to "the greater good".
I'm not married. I don't go partying and having sex after getting drunk or high. "Normal" people look like retards in the "fun" that they have... They make actual retards/mentally disabled people look like geniuses. Which I bet they are! I bet they're the wisest, kindest people one will ever meet, despite the abuse they might go through.
You're very lucky that I'm not easily offended. Because your oh-so-clever "uterus" joke would have easily made another girl report you to the dA staff.
Indifferent, as in, I've seen it far too many times. It angers me, but I don't get into hysterics. No shit I really DO care about these individuals. But I'm not the kind to turn on the waterworks and the "overflowing emotion" at the drop of a tinfoil hat.
"They're not for me"
Afraid to face the harsh realities of this small, small world after all?
Human trafficking, genocide, drug wars...
You spelled stomach wrong.
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"Don't much care about "Scotsman fallacy"."
Doesn't matter that you don't care. The No True Scotsman Fallacy is what it is. And you happen to be commiting it.
The whole "Only 'True' Catholics act like _this_" is a primary example of this fallacy.
"Before I forget, back to the homosexual and heterosexual issue, please don't confuse love with lust.
Two men or two women together is not natural. We're above animals. We have a brain that can "reason". Animals go by instinct.
Straight couples that have sex before marriage are also on the wrong side of the tracks."
Not caring about sentence number one.
Sentence number two. Happens in nature. And no we aren't 'above' animals. Biologically speaking, we are animals, apes to be exact. Primates if you want to be more comfortable.
To go further, animals also can reason. Not all of them have the same complexity as humans, but there are some that are pretty close. Dolphins, chimps, gorillas and elephants are what we would consider runners up in the intelligence department.
Sentence three. Why?
"History has told many stories. A wonderful one is the persecution of those who are religious. The religion that has been attacked the most is Catholicism. Many martyrs to that faith that many need to tear down.
You do know that this country was founded by Freemasons, yes?"
Suuuuure it was. And you poor catholics. I mean after a few crusadies, witch trails, the holocaust, and some mass genocide of the rest of the world, the whole of humanity would just turn the other cheek!
"A number of politicians today are as well. They find power in support from groups that support gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia, etc etc etc.
Within all that we see around us--mass media--there's an underlying message. Reject God, accept Illuminati. Be free, be happy. Do whatever you want how you want it... That's called Satanism.
It's easier to control the population when there is no God.
A wonderful example, circling back to the beginning of this conversation, are those Communist/Socialist governments."
The only reason you don't kill or enjoy life is cause you believe there is a god?
"I'm not married. I don't go partying and having sex after getting drunk or high. "Normal" people look like retards in the "fun" that they have... They make actual retards/mentally disabled people look like geniuses. Which I bet they are! I bet they're the wisest, kindest people one will ever meet, despite the abuse they might go through."
Whoot! Now we are getting to the Ad Homs!
And just a little fun fact.
Agnostic Atheist here. I don't drink or get high either.
"You're very lucky that I'm not easily offended. Because your oh-so-clever "uterus" joke would have easily made another girl report you to the dA staff."
Hey, you're catholic, and as we all know. Every Sperm Is Sacred.
"Indifferent, as in, I've seen it far too many times. It angers me, but I don't get into hysterics. No shit I really DO care about these individuals. But I'm not the kind to turn on the waterworks and the "overflowing emotion" at the drop of a tinfoil hat."
Yay! You're going along with the tinfoil hat joke. Excellent.
""They're not for me"
Afraid to face the harsh realities of this small, small world after all?
Human trafficking, genocide, drug wars...You spelled stomach wrong."
That would be a negatory. Why would I seek out something I don't like looking at? That would be like seeking out car crashes just to be offended by car crashes.
Face it. When you say that you don't like abortion, but then go seeking out videos of women getting abortions, there is some small sick part of you that is fascinated by this. For some reason, you Like watching fetuses getting pulled out of women.
And at the end of the day? That's fucked up. ^.^
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Animals are driven by instinct. When they sense danger, they attack or they flee, depending on the situation and what animal it is. We have the choice, we think--reflect on our actions (usually) before we do anything. Unfortunately we don't flee at the first sight of danger. In a sense some of us are thrill seekers and wouldn't mind getting into a bit of trouble once in a while, even if it will cost us our life. That's free will, and that's been given to us by God. He doesn't force any of us to follow Him...
Chances are straight couples having sex are just in it for the fun anyway. If they were planning to get married eventually, they probably might end up divorcing sooner than those that waited.
Of course this also depends on the couple and their compatibility-- the psychological aspects.
Yeah, Catholics were also victims of the Holocaust along with the Jews. I'm very aware of the rest of humanity. I don't necessarily look at myself as if I'm the greatest person that ever lived--
I'm the complete opposite. I'm a sinner. A Freudian. I struggle just as much on this planet as everyone else does.
Oh, one can enjoy life without breaking the rules.
It's when one can do whatever they want, is when they become a SLAVE to their passion. No one needs to be a religious to see that.
Agnostic = Some belief in a God, yet skeptical
Atheist = Firm belief that there is no God
I was gonna point this out very early on, but I didn't want to say anything just to see your opinion. >___>
It doesn't matter. Any other girl, female in general would have slapped you in the face if you had said that within close proximity.
Wonderful no?
I seek them out to show others like yourself the truth about what they support.
If something makes you sick, then there's something very wrong with that "procedure".
By the end of the day, we pray for those that have decided to abort the child, and their families. We pray for the atheists, and corrupt people within the Church. We pray for those that are killed in the womb (crime with justification). Never forgetting the oppressed people in starving countries under an abusive government.
I'm expecting a day when one will not be able to practice their religion--whatever it is--in public.
This has already started. I don't think I need to point out obvious events relating to this.
Like what history has illustrated time and time again, religious folk will soon have to keep confined to their homes in order to have Mass/Service. Government will rise, have more power over the people. Soon, they make a law stating if one is caught within their house, praying, having religious items scattered around--
They assume that these people are against the government, enemies if you will. Only a handful will really be part of the underground resistance.
Expect them to be taken from their homes as prisoners, or be shot to death on the spot.
I thought the Constitution provided "religious freedom"
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"Animals are driven by instinct. When they sense danger, they attack or they flee, depending on the situation and what animal it is. We have the choice, we think--reflect on our actions (usually) before we do anything."
And humans do this also.
"Unfortunately we don't flee at the first sight of danger. In a sense some of us are thrill seekers and wouldn't mind getting into a bit of trouble once in a while, even if it will cost us our life. That's free will, and that's been given to us by God. He doesn't force any of us to follow Him..."
I would like evidence that this was given by anything.
"Chances are straight couples having sex are just in it for the fun anyway. If they were planning to get married eventually, they probably might end up divorcing sooner than those that waited."
And having sex for fun is bad why? Also this is nothing but an assertion. Upon what evidence are you basing this on?
"Of course this also depends on the couple and their compatibility-- the psychological aspects."
Back stepping quite quickly I see there missy.
"Yeah, Catholics were also victims of the Holocaust along with the Jews. I'm very aware of the rest of humanity. I don't necessarily look at myself as if I'm the greatest person that ever lived--"
Hitler was a Roman Catholic. That's what I was getting at. I am getting at that Religion in general doesn't have the best track record when it comes to dealing with people who are different.
"I'm the complete opposite. I'm a sinner. A Freudian. I struggle just as much on this planet as everyone else does."
Please don't bog this down with whiny emo comments.
"Agnostic = Some belief in a God, yet skeptical
Atheist = Firm belief that there is no God"
Negatory. Agnostic = I don't know. There could be?
Atheist = I don't believe in a god/gods/higher powers/your gods. Aka I don't believe.
Agnostic Atheist = I don't know if there is a god. But based on the evidence, or lack there of, I have no reason to believe your god claim.
"I seek them out to show others like yourself the truth about what they support.
If something makes you sick, then there's something very wrong with that "procedure"."
No. No it doesn't mean that. It means that it looks unpleasant. Removing a tumor is rather sick to watch. People popping their zits is rather unpleasant. Having a leg amputated is rather unpleasant to watch. People vomiting is unpleasant to see.
But in all these cases there can be benefits.
"By the end of the day, we pray for those that have decided to abort the child, and their families. We pray for the atheists, and corrupt people within the Church. We pray for those that are killed in the womb (crime with justification). Never forgetting the oppressed people in starving countries under an abusive government."
Prayer. Pretending to do something whiles talking to yourself.
"I'm expecting a day when one will not be able to practice their religion--whatever it is--in public.
This has already started. I don't think I need to point out obvious events relating to this."
That would be a negatory. And yes yes you do.
"Like what history has illustrated time and time again, religious folk will soon have to keep confined to their homes in order to have Mass/Service. Government will rise, have more power over the people. Soon, they make a law stating if one is caught within their house, praying, having religious items scattered around--
They assume that these people are against the government, enemies if you will. Only a handful will really be part of the underground resistance.
Expect them to be taken from their homes as prisoners, or be shot to death on the spot."
You know you sound like a nutter when you say that right? You can pray in public if you like, Just don't force your religion on someone else. You can read your holy book if you like, just don't proselytize to someone who has kindly said "no thank you".
"I thought the Constitution provided "religious freedom" 
Freedom of religion also means freedom From religion.
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Any information I'll ever give you will never be part of the mainstream. Most likely they'll be articles and investigations done by religious/Catholic groups. The Friday Fax is one of them, where they send undercover agents to UN Headquarters and report in an unbiased manner the events taking place or the decisions that they are currently discussing.
The reason why you'll never see what I'm trying to get through to you, is because that's not part of the elite's agenda. They subtly, but surely tore the population away from belief in a God, bombarding us with television shows, music, and news that protect and serve the globalization-- One, New World Order. Illuminati.
Also, you should know that we owe China a TON of money. You should know that the value of the dollar is decreasing, for the most part. Obamacare is an obvious attempt to regulate healthcare services, one-size fits all. Socialism. No God. Controlled by the state.
Do you mean separation of Church and State?
Many fled from the rule of Henry VIII after he created the Angelican Church after he was displeased by the fact that he couldn't divorce his wife and go on with another woman, from what the Vatican told him. He didn't much understand Luther either (the one who broke from the Catholic Church in the first place causing a division upon division on beliefs--That's why we have so many Christian based "religions" and sects. Luther had good intentions, but now we see the consequences of this action.) After this religion was established, Henry forced his people to practice that same religion. As the one governing as if he were a president in our time.
Separation of Church and State does not mean tearing them apart in our everyday lives, but the Founding Fathers (who were Freemasons) promised not to force their religion on the people while this country stood.
This is a problem today. In everything you will "see", how much indoctrination the mass media is getting through to us. They make sex look like fun, like it's no big deal if we're gay, lesbian, bisexual, heterosexual, whatever. Because, according to Lady Gaga (huge puppet of the Illuminati within the music industry), we're "Born This Way". Science has proven otherwise, but groups that support that notion would rather make sure this never gets out to the public, relying on sole "emotional" aspects of the lifestyle, and little to nothing on real, uncorrupted evidence, as to gain the support of the majority of citizens.
In sitcoms, people who are religious are looked down upon in a comedic light, making them look like "nutters" that belong in an insane asylum since, for the most part, they preach and preach until they go into hysterics. A fanatic who doesn't know how to balance faith and reason.
Some symbols one should look out for, especially in cartoons for kids/adolescents, are the pyramid, All-Seeing Eye, inverted pentagram, checkerboard (black and white) pattern ("Cartoon Network" logo-- Ted Turner is in support of the elite's agenda; granted I love watching the old Hanna Barbera shows on "Boomerang")...
Going on a tangent. I'll leave you with this link to an article by Vigilant Citizen_"Mind Control Theories and Techniques used by Mass Media":
[link]
Take care. I'll mention you again in our Rosary.
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"Any information I'll ever give you will never be part of the mainstream. Most likely they'll be articles and investigations done by religious/Catholic groups. The Friday Fax is one of them, where they send undercover agents to UN Headquarters and report in an unbiased manner the events taking place or the decisions that they are currently discussing.
The reason why you'll never see what I'm trying to get through to you, is because that's not part of the elite's agenda. They subtly, but surely tore the population away from belief in a God, bombarding us with television shows, music, and news that protect and serve the globalization-- One, New World Order. Illuminati."
Evidence please.
"Also, you should know that we owe China a TON of money. You should know that the value of the dollar is decreasing, for the most part. Obamacare is an obvious attempt to regulate healthcare services, one-size fits all. Socialism. No God. Controlled by the state."
Socialism doesn't mean no god. There are pleanty of goverments that have socialism where the people practice whatever religion blows their skirts up.
"Do you mean separation of Church and State?
Many fled from the rule of Henry VIII after he created the Angelican Church after he was displeased by the fact that he couldn't divorce his wife and go on with another woman, from what the Vatican told him. He didn't much understand Luther either (the one who broke from the Catholic Church in the first place causing a division upon division on beliefs--That's why we have so many Christian based "religions" and sects. Luther had good intentions, but now we see the consequences of this action.) After this religion was established, Henry forced his people to practice that same religion. As the one governing as if he were a president in our time."
And this has to do with America how?
"Separation of Church and State does not mean tearing them apart in our everyday lives, but the Founding Fathers (who were Freemasons) promised not to force their religion on the people while this country stood."
Actually most of our founding fathers were deists or non-religious by their days' standards. And separation of church and state means Church don't get to make laws ruling our lives and the state don't tax the church on all that money it brings in.
The point I am making is that with freedom Of religion comes the freedom to choose No religion.
"This is a problem today. In everything you will "see", how much indoctrination the mass media is getting through to us. They make sex look like fun, like it's no big deal if we're gay, lesbian, bisexual, heterosexual, whatever. Because, according to Lady Gaga (huge puppet of the Illuminati within the music industry), we're "Born This Way". Science has proven otherwise, but groups that support that notion would rather make sure this never gets out to the public, relying on sole "emotional" aspects of the lifestyle, and little to nothing on real, uncorrupted evidence, as to gain the support of the majority of citizens.
In sitcoms, people who are religious are looked down upon in a comedic light, making them look like "nutters" that belong in an insane asylum since, for the most part, they preach and preach until they go into hysterics. A fanatic who doesn't know how to balance faith and reason.
Some symbols one should look out for, especially in cartoons for kids/adolescents, are the pyramid, All-Seeing Eye, inverted pentagram, checkerboard (black and white) pattern ("Cartoon Network" logo-- Ted Turner is in support of the elite's agenda; granted I love watching the old Hanna Barbera shows on "Boomerang")..."
Evidence please.
"Going on a tangent. I'll leave you with this link to an article by Vigilant Citizen_"Mind Control Theories and Techniques used by Mass Media":
[link]"
Unsupported. Please provide evidence.
"Take care. I'll mention you again in our Rosary."
Please don't. It slightly offends me and is like asking your imaginary friend to brainwash me.
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(I would like to backtrack to the surgery/amputation thing. Those processes are the means for the individual to survive, which is a good thing. Abortion is the killing of an individual to "save the life" of the other individual. Ideally, doctors and nurses have to do all that they can in order to help both the mother and the child to survive in extreme cases. The point of those professions was to heal the sick, not make a quick buck off of them.)
Here's some "evidence" for you.
Where do you get your information from--mainstream media?
Most science magazines and other publications fall under this category too.
Friday Fax from C-FAM, Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute
[link]
Vigilant Citizen (keep in mind that the creator of this site identifies himself a mystic Christian; he rode the liberal news wave stating that the Pope himself suggested an economic global takeover, when really it was someone from the Vatican's council who released a speculation on how the current situation of the world was headed: [link] )
But on a positive note, he has many impressive articles on the music and entertainment industries, sinister sites (locations that have an esoteric meaning), government intrusion, etc. One of my favorite articles would have to be "The World of Mind Control Through the Eyes of an Artist with 13 Alter Personas". Even more so since this, dA, is an art site.
[link]
Usually those religions would have to be confined within a certain area as to not get caught. A priest we know has traveled a good mile and has seen first hand how people risk their lives just to recieve Mass. I'd even send you the audio if it wasn't all in Spanish..
Now here I'm not implying anything at all. I'm just curious--Are you in support of a socialist government? Just asking. I know of a good friend who's all for it
The government and a number of wealthy individuals have taken it into their hands to spread a subtle message to reject God and accept Freemasonry/Illuminati, along with all of its quirks... How? Through many, many subliminal messages.
The Vigilant Citizen does a better job explaining this than me. The more occult material can be found on its sister site, Secret Arcana [link]
Okay then. Having no religion is your right. Being a Catholic is mine.
Although I really would like you to read these when you have the time. I'm not forcing you by any means:
What is Secular Humanism: Why Humanism became secular and how it is changing our world_by_James Hitchcock
The Battle for Normality: A guide for self-therapy for homosexuality_by_Gerard J.M. Van Den Aardweg, PH.D.
(I took the liberty of checking out reviews of this book just now. The people that shun this book are the really "proud homosexuals", not able to cope with their reality...)
Mexican Martydom (1926-1935): Firsthand experiences of the Religious Persecution in Mexico_by_Wilfrid Parsons, S.J.
(Just so you know the president at that time was a Freemason getting help from his "friends" in America 
There you go. =]
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"(I would like to backtrack to the surgery/amputation thing. Those processes are the means for the individual to survive, which is a good thing. Abortion is the killing of an individual to "save the life" of the other individual. Ideally, doctors and nurses have to do all that they can in order to help both the mother and the child to survive in extreme cases. The point of those professions was to heal the sick, not make a quick buck off of them.)"
A fetus isn't a person yet. It's potential. Just like when I bust a nut I'm not committing genocide.
"Here's some "evidence" for you.
Where do you get your information from--mainstream media?
Most science magazines and other publications fall under this category too."
There are a majority of science magazines that aren't peer reviewed. And whiles Peer Review isn't the And All of anything, It does a pretty good job of weeding out what is fact, what is bunk and what is just plain junk.
"Friday Fax from C-FAM, Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute
[link]
Vigilant Citizen (keep in mind that the creator of this site identifies himself a mystic Christian; he rode the liberal news wave stating that the Pope himself suggested an economic global takeover, when really it was someone from the Vatican's council who released a speculation on how the current situation of the world was headed: [link] )
But on a positive note, he has many impressive articles on the music and entertainment industries, sinister sites (locations that have an esoteric meaning), government intrusion, etc. One of my favorite articles would have to be "The World of Mind Control Through the Eyes of an Artist with 13 Alter Personas". Even more so since this, dA, is an art site.
[link]"
Explain the Friday Fax thing.
Heard about that. Anytime anyone suggests the slightest thing that encroaches upon "hey let's have one..." The bobble heads start yapping about the new world order nonsense. It's just toff.
As for the artsy link? Confirmation Bias anyone? Symbols rule the world is the header on their page. Ever watch the movie "The Number 23"? It's a great little flick with Jim Carrey. A dark thriller type movie that is a departure from his normal standard comic fare.
Anyway in the movie a package delivery guy starts seeing the number 23 everywhere he goes, in everything he does, he starts thinking that the number has meaning or that it is following him around.
The point of course being that if you are looking for something, you are inevitably going to find that something. Even if that something isn't purposely put there. One of the problems with a brain that seeks out patterns.
"Usually those religions would have to be confined within a certain area as to not get caught. A priest we know has traveled a good mile and has seen first hand how people risk their lives just to recieve Mass. I'd even send you the audio if it wasn't all in Spanish..
Now here I'm not implying anything at all. I'm just curious--Are you in support of a socialist government? Just asking. I know of a good friend who's all for it
There are benefits to socialism, and there are disadvantages. On paper it looks good, but pure anything doesn't work. Pure capitalism is a free for all where nobody looks for anyone else. Pure communism goes against the human drive to 'do better'. And pure socialism goes against the whole aspect that we are kinda selfish little primates. A general mix and middle ground is the best way of going about things.
"The government and a number of wealthy individuals have taken it into their hands to spread a subtle message to reject God and accept Freemasonry/Illuminati, along with all of its quirks... How? Through many, many subliminal messages.
The Vigilant Citizen does a better job explaining this than me. The more occult material can be found on its sister site, Secret Arcana [link]"
More tinfoil hat junk? Seriously. If you are looking for hidden messages, you are going to find them. Kinda like the movie "A Beautiful Mind".
"Okay then. Having no religion is your right. Being a Catholic is mine."
Indeed it is.
"Although I really would like you to read these when you have the time. I'm not forcing you by any means:
What is Secular Humanism: Why Humanism became secular and how it is changing our world_by_James Hitchcock"
I looked at this, It's getting poor reviews and does everything but explain what Secular Humanism Actually Is.
"The Battle for Normality: A guide for self-therapy for homosexuality_by_Gerard J.M. Van Den Aardweg, PH.D.
(I took the liberty of checking out reviews of this book just now. The people that shun this book are the really "proud homosexuals", not able to cope with their reality...)"
Pffffft Normality. Normal is boring bland and stagnate. However, let's turn the tables here. How would you like it if people were advocating 'self-therapy' for heterosexuals? Or the fact that a good number of these "self-help' and 'ex-gay ministries' just don't work? Members and leaders of them tend to recant their claims of being changed, and the only thing that these 'self-help' things do is try to change someone's sexual conduct.
I mean if they really worked, why wouldn't they all do this the same way? Why do they all experiment with their own way of doing it?
There is nothing but harm that comes with this. It saps peoples' time, money and energy. People that don't have any thing really wrong with them.
"Mexican Martydom (1926-1935): Firsthand experiences of the Religious Persecution in Mexico_by_Wilfrid Parsons, S.J.
(Just so you know the president at that time was a Freemason getting help from his "friends" in America
Oh the Religious Persecution! The religious are so fond of saying that they are persecuted, that they have a cross to bare and why can't those damn non-believers just understand that?!
Here's the thing. Who's in the majority? The Religious.
It doesn't make them right, and it doesn't mean they are persecuted either.
They just like to Feel that they're persecuted. That way if we non-believers make a fuss, ask questions or point out their wrong doing, they can call up the persection on card and cry about it.
Which is better than what they did in the olde days. Back in the old days the minority were called witches, hung, burned at the stake, crushed under rocks....
"There you go. =]"
And there you go. Something you should realize that if you're a Freemason, you can't be an atheist. You have to be a christian.
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Did you even bother to at least skim on anything I sent you?
I watched A Beautiful Mind. Good movie. I know of the schizophrenic and schizotypal conditions, but my own two feet are still on the ground. I have a relative that committed suicide over the first. I know someone else that seems to have similar symptoms, and I had to help them with it at some point...
The majority of people forgot how to read and really rationalize, use their "common sense" (now they just go with feeling, especially when they're offended by such brash content); I figure that the books I'm suggesting to you would be getting poor reviews because of this.
Christians can't be Freemasons. Catholics, less.
I would encourage people to advocate self-therapy for heterosexuals, yes. Plenty of neurotics on that side too.
The author has had over 30 years of experience, coaching those homosexuals that want to change. Sorry if that doesn't qualify. A homosexual suffers from a gender inferiority complex, always pitying themselves because they feel like they "don't belong" in their same-sex peer group. This would sometimes be the fault of the parent(s) or guardians, for not treating or encouraging them in their specified role.
But the inclination begins in adolescence. Everyone goes through the same issue of "not fitting in", but can get out of it if they don't start saying "poor me", thus establishing themselves as the tragic character in a play, always yearning for love and finding what they "lack" as a male or female in another individual... Really, to be honest, it's just a selfish game. The individual is infantilized, stuck in that same adolescent mentality even as they reach their 30s, 40s, so on.
But that doesn't mean they can't work on it. If that were the case, druggies and alcoholics would have no hope whatsoever. The serial killer? Always will be. What makes the homosexual so special? If they had a "specific gene", so would the pedophiles, the sadists, masochists, fetishists, exhibitionists, etc etc etc (thus justifying their actions).
It's a part of their "nature", so says the LGBTQ support groups.
They're the ones that labeled the natural abhorrence towards such actions as "homophobia".
They don't provide facts. They just go "oh poor me" and the majority will jump on the bandwagon. They're kids crying out for attention. That's what they are... They have yet to mature.
Most people call themselves "religious"; most don't even go to church. I wouldn't qualify them as religious.
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Did you even bother to at least skim on anything I sent you?"
Yup, and I found a new place to hock tinfoil hats.
"I watched A Beautiful Mind. Good movie. I know of the schizophrenic and schizotypal conditions, but my own two feet are still on the ground. I have a relative that committed suicide over the first. I know someone else that seems to have similar symptoms, and I had to help them with it at some point...
The majority of people forgot how to read and really rationalize, use their "common sense" (now they just go with feeling, especially when they're offended by such brash content); I figure that the books I'm suggesting to you would be getting poor reviews because of this."
Foundational Bias and Confirmation bias. If you are looking for a pattern you are bound to find one. Even if one isn't there.
"Christians can't be Freemasons. Catholics, less."
That would be a negatory. Atheists can't be freemasons.
"I would encourage people to advocate self-therapy for heterosexuals, yes. Plenty of neurotics on that side too."
Not what I was going for. However thank you for your banal repetor.
"The author has had over 30 years of experience, coaching those homosexuals that want to change. Sorry if that doesn't qualify. A homosexual suffers from a gender inferiority complex, always pitying themselves because they feel like they "don't belong" in their same-sex peer group. This would sometimes be the fault of the parent(s) or guardians, for not treating or encouraging them in their specified role."
However, gender preference is based on genetics and hormones. And can't be really 'changed'.
"But the inclination begins in adolescence. Everyone goes through the same issue of "not fitting in", but can get out of it if they don't start saying "poor me", thus establishing themselves as the tragic character in a play, always yearning for love and finding what they "lack" as a male or female in another individual... Really, to be honest, it's just a selfish game. The individual is infantilized, stuck in that same adolescent mentality even as they reach their 30s, 40s, so on.
But that doesn't mean they can't work on it. If that were the case, druggies and alcoholics would have no hope whatsoever. The serial killer? Always will be. What makes the homosexual so special? If they had a "specific gene", so would the pedophiles, the sadists, masochists, fetishists, exhibitionists, etc etc etc (thus justifying their actions)."
The science says otherwise. In the case of identical twins, if one is gay up to 75 percent of the time, so is the other. That's statistically High. Also, I would like evidence behind your statements. Cause from all I can tell, you're just talking out yer ass and making assertions.
"It's a part of their "nature", so says the LGBTQ support groups.
They're the ones that labeled the natural abhorrence towards such actions as "homophobia".
They don't provide facts. They just go "oh poor me" and the majority will jump on the bandwagon. They're kids crying out for attention. That's what they are... They have yet to mature."
That's a nice broad brush you're painting with. I wonder if you would be so keen to tell some of these "kids" to their faces your 'delightful' opinions.
"Most people call themselves "religious"; most don't even go to church. I wouldn't qualify them as religious. 
No True Scotsman Fallacy. They consider themselves of that religion. They call themselves that religion. And only self can know thy self.
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Yes I have told a number of people brash comments to their faces.
Even more since I happen to be someone struggling with the same problem.
Being gay is a lifestyle and nothing more.
One thing you can't change is being white or black. Don't put homosexuals on the same level as racial minorities, please.
Negatory?? Don't you mean "Also"? Catholics can't be practicing Freemasonry at all; it's on the opposite end of the spectrum.
One praises God; the other praises Satan.
And all you're giving me is the same processed information I hear from everyone else. That's what they want you to believe; it's cleverly disguised, yet it's biased.
They just have more power over you since they're the so-called "professionals".
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And their reactions? I am quite sure you're not making too many friends that way.
That would be a negatory. You can believe that all you want to, however it doesn't make it true.
Negatory. That would be Satanism if I am correct. And Satanism also shouldn't be confused with Atheism either. After all to be a satanist you have to at least believe that there is a satan. Whiles to be an atheist you don't believe in any gods or deities. This Satan included.
Also negatory, You see my 'professionals' can be sited, they have peer reviewed papers that anyone can look at and the information is testable. Yours are just playing echo in the alley.
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I certainly don't want to go with the flow like a bumbling idiot either.
Studies made were debunked. But you'll never see this.
Those associations for science, technology and whatnot are controlled by the government.
That's not what I'm talking about.
I never said Atheists were Satanists.
Freemasonry/Illuminati (which is a religion) = Worship of Satan
Satanists (those that do what they think is right without being tied down by spiritual law) exist because there might as well be a God. Recall Anton LaVey at all?? New church in the 60s during the "Free Love" campaign, contraception...
*cited
My sources can be cited too, but I won't bother to give you that specific information since you won't bother to skim the surface of anything I give you anyway. A bit hard-headed if you ask me.
Sometimes even the poorest farmer in the outskirts of town can be wiser than the learned doctor in the city, who is possibly corrupted by the cynicism that plagues the lot of us.
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"Studies made were debunked. But you'll never see this.
Those associations for science, technology and whatnot are controlled by the government."
Again more paranoid sounding delusions. Evidence please.
"That's not what I'm talking about.
I never said Atheists were Satanists.
Freemasonry/Illuminati (which is a religion) = Worship of Satan
Satanists (those that do what they think is right without being tied down by spiritual law) exist because there might as well be a God."
There might as well isn't the the same as there "Is".
"Recall Anton LaVey at all?? New church in the 60s during the "Free Love" campaign, contraception..."
You mean drink the coolaid kids? Ah, the things people will do in the name of a belief. Horrible things really.
"My sources can be cited too, but I won't bother to give you that specific information since you won't bother to skim the surface of anything I give you anyway. A bit hard-headed if you ask me."
Let me help you with what you are trying to say here. It is something that a lot of religions use.
Translation: I could tell you! But you won't believe me! So I'm not telling you!
"Sometimes even the poorest farmer in the outskirts of town can be wiser than the learned doctor in the city,"
Trying to make this sound like a proberb isn't going to help deary. And sometimes the poorest farmer is an idiot. Some times a Doctor is just a fancy title tacked onto names to give them credibility Or the appearance there of. I know a good number of creationists who tout it about like a fancy new robe that will suddenly make their arguments appear to be credible.
Course that isn't the case. Once questioned, put to the test and poked about, we find that their arguments are no durable than wet old, reedy tissue paper.
"who is possibly corrupted by the cynicism that plagues the lot of us."
Poisoning the well are we? Farmers can be just as cynical as the rest of us humans.
I am still waiting on how this all leads to any evidence for the existence of your god.
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Look at yourself, sir. How can you think? How can you feel? Look everywhere around you. How can nothing conjure up everything around you?? How are human beings able to progress, grow and learn? To the point where they believe there is no God and in turn set their own set of beliefs and "moral standard".
They become their own God.
So in an odd way, you're practicing your own religion.
But it's ironic that I'm trying to speak civilly to someone who supposedly knows everything about religion when he himself claims to have no religion whatsoever.
There is no concrete evidence; God is beyond proof.
We are human, not machine.
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I can think with my brain. I can feel in a similar manner due to the fact emotions are produced in a similar manner.
Your next question doesn't make much sense.Restate it please.
The same way that everything else is able to progress, grow and learn. It just happens in the progress of human evolution we took tool making, pattern seeking and social behaviors.
You are assuming that there was a god to begin with. Before we believed in a god, we didn't believe.
And no I am not practicing a religion.
You don't need to have something to know about it. And I know a great deal about religion, I don't know everything about it. I do know about the different logical fallacies used by your ilk.
I am glad you said that there is no evidence. Thank you.
However putting your god beyond evidence doesn't save your god.
I could do just the same with any other mythical thing. Unicorns are beyond evidence, elves are beyond evidence, monsters under the bed are beyond evidence, the norse gods are beyond evidence, Ra is beyond evidence, Bast is beyond evidence.
See how that works?
Yes we are humans. I never said that we weren't. but your statement adds nothing to the conversation.
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Why do you go out of your way to disprove something that doesn't exist in the first place?
It seems rather pointless on your part.
Now I should go ahead and disprove the existence of the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. And the Smurfs. I'm going to do everything in my power to prove that they don't exist.
So you consider yourself a naturalist, yes?
Everything can be reduced to simple matter, through science.
Anything that isn't material doesn't exist, according to what I'm getting.
Please explain love, freedom, and everything else you believe in that isn't material.
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"Why do you go out of your way to disprove something that doesn't exist in the first place?
It seems rather pointless on your part."
Actually right now the burden of proof is weighing on your shoulders. I haven't claimed that there is a god, nor have I claimed that there isn't one. I am an Agnostic Atheist. I don't know if there is a god or not, however I don't believe.
Now, about the pointless part of it.
You see, whiles my disbelief seems pointless to you and doesn't really affect the world in general... there is something that does.
What Other People Believe. Let me explain.
People believe some rather crazy things, And that would be all well and good if they just kept these crazy things to themselves.
But They Don't.
What's more they Act upon their crazy beliefs. That's the really important part. Action.
If you believe that something like homosexuality is wrong, then you are going to act upon that belief. It maybe in a minor way, or it could be in a major way. Something as simple as scolding disapprovingly at two male lovers kissing in public to trying to outright vote to make homosexual a crime to beheading someone. These actions are based on beliefs.
There's actually a good song about this:
I ain't afraid of your Yaweh
I ain't afraid of your Allah
I ain't afraid of your Jesus
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God
"Now I should go ahead and disprove the existence of the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. And the Smurfs. I'm going to do everything in my power to prove that they don't exist."
Go for it. Seeing that you can't prove that they don't exist, that must mean that they do. ^.^ Good luck with that.
"So you consider yourself a naturalist, yes?"
Agnostic Atheist.
"Everything can be reduced to simple matter, through science.
Anything that isn't material doesn't exist, according to what I'm getting.
Please explain love, freedom, and everything else you believe in that isn't material."
You mean things that are conceptual? That they don't exist. They're concepts. Love is a description of an emotion felt when biological beings developed affection for one another. Freedom is again is a description of the lack of restrictions placed on someone or something.
In short. They're Concepts. They exist in our minds. And just like with beliefs, people are the ones acting on them.
People act upon love by doing things. People act upon freedom. People act upon beliefs.
And just as beliefs can be good things, they can also be bad.
Rational beliefs lead to rational actions. Irrational beliefs lead to irrational actions.
Rational beliefs are based on evidence. The knowledge that we evolved and how evolution operates helps us to new discoveries in the fields of medicine.
I almost don't feel that I have to give examples of irrational beliefs leading to irrational actions. I can easily point the local news about a mother killing her children to save them from hell.
And I really Really Really Really wish that weren't the case. It's really bad when satire dies.
A rational belief that you are saving many by sacrificing one is a harsh and rather uncomfortable thing.
A man singing in the street because he is in love is irrational and potentially dangerous but is also seen as moving and touching by the person whom it is directed at.
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God doesn't exist, and you're trying to disprove His existence.
"Good luck with that ^.^"
If you stripped down all the material related to the "concepts" of love, justice, freedom and morality, there would just be the concepts left.
Now I want you to disprove all of them. Disprove their very existence and let's see how far that can take you.
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No. Not my job. You see, I'm not trying to do what you are claiming I am doing.
I don't have to disprove anything because I haven't claimed that these things exist. I have said that they are Conceptual. And by definition outside of the concept, they don't exist. Meaning they aren't a part of our actual reality.
That's what makes them Conceptual.
Think of it like a bridge. Bridges can be real. We've seen them built. We know that there are people who build them, what materials that go into building them and generally how long it takes to build them.
But what is a bridge before it is a bridge?
A Concept. It is something that doesn't exist yet. It is Potential.
Now. I keep on saying that you are the one that needs to prove that these things exist. In particular your particular flavor and brand of gawd.
Why?
Because you are the one claiming to have knowledge that they exist and evidence that they exist within the confines of Reality.
And that means You have the burden of proof in this matter.
But lastly of all things. Nobody is ever called upon to disprove a negative or an unknown. ^.^ *bats the ball back in your court.*
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