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Like all dysfunctional families, there will be a few black sheep.The Batfamily is no different. XD;
Anyways, I really wanted to draw Batman with all his sidekicks and son. >>;
On the right-hand side we got Batman, Nightwing and Robin.
On the lelf-hand side, we got Cass, Jason and Damian, who I affectionately call the Batmisfits for not exactly fitting in with the Batclan, but are in some shape or form, related to or part of it.
From top to bottom:
Pretty asian girl is Cassandra Cain, aka the last batgirl, Age: 19-20.
She was Batman's most loyal female sidekick, until she went off on her own to search for her long lost mother. She found her, fought her, and decided to give up the Batgirl mantle and wander the world as a girl named "Cain."
Afterwards, she was drugged by Slade and made into a cheesy Bond Villainess who tried to turn Robin to the dark side. *facepalm* Robin was able to give her an antidote and bring her back to her senses. But she was pissed and vowed to kill Slade. When she couldn't, she disappeared. current status: Unknown.
Second is Jason Todd, aka Robin II and now the Red Hood. Age: 20-21
A brat who was found stealing the tires off the batmobile, was taken in by Batman who was impressed by his spunk and later trained to be Robin. Eventually, he too went off to search for his long-lost mother, tried to save her, ended up beaten and blown up by the Joker. Dead for almost 20 years of comic book history until last year(?). Due to retarded writing, he was brought back from the dead and became a nutjob killing all bad people in various violent ways.
Current status: is on a long world-traveling journey through the 52 alternative universes in search of Ray Palmer (aka the Atom) who is believed to be the key to saving the multiverse (basically, all of existance). He's accompaning Donna Troy (aka Wonder Girl I), Kyle Rayner (youngest Green Lantern, aka Ion) and Bob (dude that dragged them all together solely because they're actually not supposed to be alive, but are and so are entitled to save all the worlds in existance).
The child is Damian Wayne son of Talia al Ghul and Bruce Wayne, aka Batman. Age: 8-14 yrs old? First appearance he's 8-10 yrs. Latest he looks 11-12. And on a future cover of Robin, he looks 14-16! He's probably 8-10 but his mom or the league are aging him for some reason.
The kid's a brat who was genetically modified to be perfect and trained since birth by the League of Assasins. He really wants to be Robin and help his dad, Batman. Problem is he's not afraid of killing people, including the current Robin.
I'm kinda happy with how he turned out. He's just a lost little boy who wants to make his daddy happy, even if his daddy doesn't like him.
Current status: on the run with his mother, from crazy members of the League who are trying to use his body to ressurect his dead grandpa, Ras al Ghul.
Now on to the actual Batcrew, Top to bottom:
Bruce Wayne, aka Batman. If you don't know who he is by now...you've been living under a rock. XD; The guys been around for decades, fighting crime in Gotham City.
I'm actually happy I got him right on the first try. :3 he came out just as I wanted him to. The guy's somewhere in his mid-30's to late 30's Current Status: er...still fighting crime in Gotham City, working on the Outsiders, JLA and chasing after uh...the League of Assasins? (I think?)
Next is Dick Grayson, aka Nightwing and the first Robin.
Age: mid 20's. I'll guesstimate 26 yrs old.
I hope ya'll know his story by now. He's the only Robin that's been animated or shown in the movies. Yup, he's the Robin in Teen titans too. I'm happy with how he turned out. I wanted to draw a beautifully handsome Nightwing. XD; But slightly older than Jason. (doesn't get why the artists are drawing Jason and Dick as the same age...there's gotta be at least a 5 yr age difference...)
Current status: uh...not sure. I lost track. I think he's fighting crime in New York City now.
Finally, Tim Drake, aka Robin III.
Age: 17.
After discovering Nightwing and Batman's true identities, he tried to persuade Batman to LIGHTEN UP (since Jason had died, batman had become darker/more violent) In the end, he took up the mantle of Robin and trained his ass off to be better than all previous Robins. I'd say Batman has lightened up...problem is...Tim's gotten darker.
Well, Batman adopted Tim and now they're more like son and father. It's sweet but...creepy sometimes. XD;If Dick was the Original, cheerful, acrobatic Robin and Jason was the hardcore, moody, tough Robin, then Tim is the intelligent, no-nonsense, nerdy Robin. XD So I tried to draw him not as a tough guy, but as a nice smart guy. Not sure I succeeded. But at least I got his current hairstyle right.
Current Status: erm...fighting some of his own rogues? Supporting Batman? uh...leading the Teen Titans and fighting other world's versions of his dead friends? This kid needs to stick in school. No wonder he's gonna snap soon. -_-;
I sketched these out at work.
yay for my second submitted American comics fanart. These characters, unfortunately, belong to DC comics and Warner Brothers, and editor Didio can crap on them as long as he's in charge. =_= *sighs*
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Yeah I'm not too fond of Damien, and yet oddly enough it's kind of fun writing him. This is going to sound dumb, but I have Damien join the Titans in order to make him a better person. Jason's awesome, I love him. And Cassie's all right I guess.
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I love your drawings, are very natural and yet very elegant, without those rough lines DC staff usually gives them.
Mmkay,now I'm gonna give a little analysis to those 3 on the left row:
First victim, I mean, character: Cassie.
The thing with her is that she seems to suffer the Living Tool Syndrome; a fictional or real person who has been conceived and raised for a single purpose (to be the ultimate assasin, child prodigy, etc) and lives his/her life following no other path, being often manipulated by other around him/her and without showing any signals of change, or going back to old habits (kinda like X-23 on her first appearances).
Second one: Jason.
I don't have very much to say about him, other than I reafirm your words: Taking a dead character back to life (specially one that has been dead a long time) messes up the panorama (go ask the marvel guys about Jean Grey and her endless resurrections 
And last, but not least: Little Damian.
Pretty obvious: a spoiled brat with a napoleonic complex and a very minimal notion of world and society (What else can be expected of someone who grew in an artificial womb ['cause his mom didn't want to get fat, honestly] and knew nothing but how to fight and kill and other stuff from the League of Assasins? What else?) Similar to the Living Tool Syndrome, yet to a lesser degree.
Phew, analytic moment done. Now don't try to kill me.
What solutions do you imagine?
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*cackles* oh lord, you don't want to hear my solutions.
Although I'll say this... they should be removed from the Bat books. Have them pick up identities not necessarily affliated with Batman and Robin and start elsewhere.
Also have you ever heard of the manga/anime series Rurouni Kenshin? I'm a big fan of this series.
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ah okay, FINE. You asked for it.
My solution is to have Cass break away from Batman and give up the Batgirl identity (like she did at the end of her series). Also, have her go find Damian and save him from being raised the same way she was (raised from birth to be some super warrior) and try to give him a normal life. Either she saves Damian or Jason saves Damian.
If there's anything Jason (or Batman) should've learned is that certain kids should not be crimefighters because they have too many issues to deal with. Originally, he was adopted by Batman but it was Batman who popped the Robin costume on him. Him being a scruffy Gotham kid jumped at it. But if ya think about it, Bruce should've known better.
Jason was neglected/possibly abused/and lived in a hostile environment. I mean geeze, the kid had to take care of his dying mother on his own and probably witnessed her last moments, if not found her dead. That's traumatic for a kid whose living in poverty and has no idea where his criminal father is.
Jason should've gotten therapy and a normal life, not go out in a costume and be faced with violence and death all over again. Geeze. batman, did you skip out on child development in your psychology studies?
At any rate, Jason needs to stop killing. It's not helping Gotham, because for every drug dealer he decapitates, two more or worse pop up in its place. Crime just doesn't work that way. Its true that preventing drugs getting sold to youngin's is a good idea, but really, that's not solving the problem. Today it's drugs, tomorrow it'll be something else the youngin's go after. It's a social/development problem. People do drugs cuz they're bored or they have issues. Jason can't really do much to stop that, unless he wants to start donating to organizations that offer counseling, safe entertainment or better education for youngin's.
Hm, if he wants to do better than Batman, that's one way to approach a social problem. Personally, I'd prefer if he'd get over his father complex and move away from Gotham and any of his Bat family members.
Go out West. Same with Cass. Try a new environment. How about Los Angeles? There's plenty of crime down there. If either can, take Damian with them.
If Damian were to live with Bruce, he and Tim would be at each other's necks. Tim's got issues too, and I'm not sure a bratty kid at home would help. Not to mention, I'm not sure Bruce has time to spare to rehabilitate/re-educate Damian. Damian would need constant attention.
If they had Damian living with either, it wouldn't be such a culture shock for Damian. since both have been associated with the League of Assassins and know their ways (at least by now), but are trying to find a better place in the world now. Cass and Jason could easily influence Damian as a result of having a mutual connection there.
I can easily see Jason not having any reservations about giving Damian some "tough love" and keeping the kid under control. While Cass can probably easily garner Damian's respect due to their similar pasts and her superior martial art abilities. If the two teamed up, Damian would have no choice but to change for the better. XD
Granted, they'd have to want to do that to even bother with this idea. I can see Cass wanting to do a good thing like help someone like herself at that age. Jason, dunno. I can see him feeling some sympathy for Damian at least in the sense that Damian's got a screwed up childhood but is still trying to prove himself.
I dunno. These three characters got a lot of growing up and learning to do. But I'm not sure if Gotham's the best place for them anymore. Living under Batman's shadow just doesn't sound like much fun when all three have killed at least once and were raised differently (cuz yes, for several years, Talia sponsored and influenced a teenage Jason) than say Tim or Dick who are Batman's favorite shining children.
I'd be happy if these three would all attempt to give themselves a normal life, with a bit of crime-fighting on the side to atone for their past sins (ala Rurouni Kenshin). I think it would make for a hillarious dysfunctional story, full of action and crime-fighting and much snarkiness on Jason's part.
But it'll never happen. Too bad.
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Ha ha, having Jason (or maybe Dick) spanking Damian or something similar, would the ultimate laugh source I'll have on a long time.
And don't feel down. As comics world is always changing, you never know whenever a thing you were expecting happens.
Be optimistic!
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lol, I thought I responded to this! sorry!
LOL! that reminds me of the old issue where Nightwing, Robin and Azrael get introduced to Cass. Tim makes fun of Nightwing and Dick smacks him upside the head and says, "Watch it, you're not too old to spank!"
Cracked me up since Tim had to have been 13-14 yrs old and Dick was at least a head and half taller than him. If Dick did spank him, that would've been...well weird, difficult and slightly inappropriate. LOL
I can see Jason doing that to Damian though. And Damian freaking out, cuz he knows Jason would do it. Jason's not like Dick, though. This guy has no sense of tact nor any qualms about doing non PC things. LOL...It'd probably would be effective for Damian, sad to say. Jason would only have to threaten him with that, and Damian would BEHAVE, just to avoid the embarrassment. LOL
aww...thanks. Yeah, maybe someday, someone will write an elseworld's comic like that.
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You have accomplished something no one else has. You made me smile when I saw Damian.
I HATE THAT KID. But you draw him terribly cute D:
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*cackling evilly* Maaarvelous! I'm so happy to hear that. 
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Ah yes, the "Jason-Lite" Tim. I can't consider him the real Tim Drake, mostly because of how different his origin and personality is.
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Yeah, I thought of that AFTER I posted the comment... and I more or less agree!
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Squee! Thank you! ^o^ a little more manga-ish this time around, but I'm still working on getting a realistic style.
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I dunno, I like your style as it is. 
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Oooh, I like the portraits! I think the hair especially stands out to me. It's so hard to get that kind of fine detail in hair and have it still look right; major kudos to you. Also, I have to commend you on how well you communicate character age in your drawings. That's something I've always terribly struggled with and still haven't figured out how to truly pull off. Awesome.
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Waii! Thank you Sensei! ^o^ hee, I struggled with some of the hairstyles here.
Squee! That makes me so happy! *jumping and skipping about her room* ah, I just go with...the older they are...the more lines and shadows their faces get. The younger they are, the smaller their ears and noses get and of course, bigger or prettier eyes.
I actually started out with Jason first and went off from there as a guide. He's 20-21, so I made him look like a man with prominant cheekbones and wide chin, but with big wide eyes. Fortunately, it fits his character, since he's kinda like a thug now, hence his wide face and thick eyebrows, but is still a pretty determined individual, hence his big wide focused eyes.
Then I drew Dick who's 26, and gave him more narrow eyes. But cuz Dick's a very handsome/semi-androgynous man, I gave him finer features. Softer hair, more narrow nose, thinner eyebrows ect.
Then I drew Tim, who as Robin is supposed to be the "Light" in Batman's dark life. So I made him have soft features all over. My struggle with him, is that I had to keep him from looking like a girl...
Then I drew Damian, who I pretty much shrank down all of Tim's features for. But to make him further different from Tim, I had to keep his parent's features in mind, along with that of his grandpa, the middle-easternish/Asian character Ras al Ghul. So I gave him sharp looking eyebrows, thick spikey hair, and sharp looking eyes, rather than Tim's sleepy eyes. But cuz he's this tragic messed up little boy, I made him look sad/pouty, in order to soften his look.
Uh...Cass, I also used Tim's face to guide me for her since she's only older than him by a few years. I narrowed her chin, gave her full lips, a nose that wasn't pointy or upturned, and her signature almond-shaped eyes. Cass always looked Filipino to me. Her eyes and face were wider than most Chinese characters, but maybe that's cuz she was drawn younger....dunno. She was also tan, which is kinda odd, considering that later in her series we find out her dad is actually a white guy. 
waah! but thank you so much! =^o^=
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Nice job on the pictures and the background history, very spot on.
I'm going to be a nerd (art critique) and comment on all of them individually.
Cass is really pretty here, she sort of has an innocence to her in this picture. I've never been a great fan of her, but its a shame what they did with her in the end there... none of the Batgirls seem to get off any good in the end.
Jason has a sort of determined, concentrated look to his face, which I like and his hair rocks too... dunno why I singled that out, but it does. Jason is a character who I never really had a chance to like or dislike before he was killed off. But one of my pet-hates is characters who come back to life, it just pisses me off and really cheapens the whole story telling in my opinion... and his death was such an important one in the Batman canon, so it just ruins things with his return to life... sorry, bit of a rant there...
Damien looks so cute and innocent, it's a brilliant way of drawing him, considering what he's capable of. I'm not really sure of what I think of him, I mean whatever happens I feel that Dick is always going to be Batman's son, not some random accident.
I guess my biggest problem is the way you've done Bruce's hair... I suppose its not so much that I dislike it, its just that I didn't immediately recognise him with that hair style.
Dick Grayson is my favourite DC character, hands down... he's had so much in the way of backstory, I wish things went better for him, but I just feel that it's going to end so horribly for him in the end.... You've drawn him perfectly I think, not much more I can add.
Tim looks perfect too... I feel sorry for him, nothing good seems to have happened to him since he became Robin, I figure he's going to snap soon as well.
Sorry for the huge comment, I guess I'm sorta a huge Batman fan...
Oh, and why did you leave out Babs? She was the first Batgirl after all.
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eee! No it's okay! I'm hella nerdy, thus why I bothered posting descriptions on here. ^o^
Yes! Exactly! I always draw Cass as innocent or sad. She's supposed to be this badass fighter on the streets, but she was also a lonely girl who had trouble fitting in with the others. I guess what I liked about her was that she was this character that fought against her upbringing to be something else when everyone expected differently of her. God...if DC makes her kill again, I'm gonna be so pissed! You're exactly right! None of the Batgirls seem to ever stay in the Batman's boy's club. -__- As a girl, I find this unfair.
Wee! Your comment about Jason really makes me happy. I really wanted to incorporate all that into his design. Yay! I gave his hair a semi-curly,semi-spiky look to kinda give him a wild look.
When characters are brought back to life...it is pretty annoying. But I fear, I've become so desensitized to it now, I don't mind it as much as i did before. It's how they come back that gets me. Ohmilord...Jason's return was so retarded. Superboy Punching time? What?! I wanna smack DC really hard for it. Seriously!
but I get the feeling they're going to fix that in Countdown. I don't know where I read it, but I heard that there's now suspicion that RedHoodJason is actually from another earth. O_o; So technically, our Batman's Jason is still dead. This guy is from another dimension.
Heh, Damian is a brat, I wanted to draw him pouting, but I can't help but draw kids as cute and innocent, and well, he's got attractive parents, so yeah! I had to draw him cute.
Oh, yeah! No doubt in my mind that Dick is Bruce's #1 son, followed by Tim and even possibly followed by Jason (if Jason hasn't pissed him off enough...). But Damian's never going to be loved by Bruce, I really get that feeling. And that's pretty tragic for Damian. (Hence my sympathy for the character.)
waah! It really is bad? Bruce's hair? *flips through some of her comics* ;o; I have trouble drawing short hair, and I've seen him with really, really short hair, I'm guessing it helps his cowl or whatever...hm. that sucks! I'll have to work on that. I figured, him being the buffest, oldest guy would kinda give it away. 
Woot! Dick is DC's golden boy! ^o^ Me too, I really really wish things would go better for him. Oh lord, yeah! but I kinda get that feeling from all of the Bat characters. Tim, Dick, Batman, Jason...Cassandra...They're talking about killing off a major character this year again. Oo; They had wanted Nightwing to die, but instead superboy did...>>; Still...
waah, why do they even feel they have to kill someone off?! T-T Don't worry, I doubt it'll end for him like it ended for Barbara or Cass. THAT would be tragic. T-T
hee, thank you. He was tough to draw...I have such a bad habit of drawing pretty boys, that I struggled to make him not as pretty...
Ah, yeah. He is going to snap. DC's got it in almost all the previews. Nightwing, Robin, Batman titles...don't know about Teen Titans, but yeah, its up to nightwing and batman to bring him back to his senses. I'm not sure what triggers it, but yeah, he's slowly breaking. -_-;
ah! Yeah, not to discredit Barbara Batgirl, but I wanted to keep it at an even number. There are three Batmisfits and three active Batclan members. Oracle and Huntress have pretty much graduated from the Batfamily. They're more Birds of Prey now. Sheesh, they even had both move out of Gotham too. -_-; Yup, someone up in the DC's editorship really hates having girls in the Batclan...
Ah, no! I love getting long thoughtful comments. I'm a big Batman fan too. Not as huge as others, but out of all the american comic book characters, Batman's the one I've always been interested in the most. I dunno, I guess I just love me dysfunctional characters too much.
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You're right when it comes to bringing people back from the dead, Green Arrow's return wasn't too bad as far as they go.
I read about it being Nightwing who was supposed to die... that would have had such a huge impact right across the DCU and the fan community
It's interesting in that pretty much all the Batgirls (Babs, Helena, Cassie) have had to force their way into the Batclub, while most of the boys, (Dick, Jason, Tim) have been invited in and more or less immediately accepted.
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Yeah, I forget which version of Bruce I was basing him on. He's usually drawn with a slip of hair combed to the side or something.
Yeah, he was supposed to, but fans violently rose up in arms about it, that I seriously doubt they'll do it. But who knows, Didio doesn't seem to care about fans nor Nightwing, so it might just happen.
Yup, seems that way. Well, actually I think Cass was the first one to be welcomed. Ironic, isn't it? But that's because she kicked so much ass, they couldn't help but want her on their side.
*shakes fist at Batman* Damn him! He was only using her! What a prick!
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Like the look of the characters. Can't say I 've read many of the recent comics but you've done a good job on them. And you're right, what the Hell was DC thinking with what they did to Cass?
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aw, thank you! Yes, I know...what crack were they smoking. T-T
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BEAUTIFUL!
I love it ...
...just one problem, it is _Too_ pretty for a grim and gritty bunch like the clan of the Cave Bat
Just found this by accident but now I am going look at the rest of your stuff!
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