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jenniferstuber — The Power of a Reverse Ring

Published: 2009-04-05 19:24:04 +0000 UTC; Views: 4192; Favourites: 34; Downloads: 0
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Description For those of you who don't know much about photography, you may not understand most of what I'm about to say! Sorry about that. <3

Last weekend my 3 reverse rings came in the mail, I ordered them off ebay (courtesy of my uncles paypal account, I just refunded him). A single 52mm reverse ring from Nikon (the Nikon BR-2A) will cost you over $30 ($39.99 on Amazon.com), I got all three off ebay for less. I ordered a 52mm , 67mm , and a 52mm-67mm male-to-male reversing ring. They came from Hong Kong, China and Japan I think. They are not brand reverse rings, so I was a little worried that the quality wouldn't be so great. However I was proved wrong when I tried them out, they were perfect!

This deviation is showing the power of my 52mm reverse ring attached to my Nikkor 50mm 1.4 lens , reverse mounted on my Nikon D90. Top left you can see the lens performing at it's closest focusing distance, 0.45m/1.5 feet! Useless for closeup work. However, screwing the reverse ring onto the front lens thread and mounting the lens on the camera backwards let's the lens focus to a distance of about 4cm . Neither of the top photos were cropped.

When mounting in reverse the main challenges are light and DOF. In order to have enough light in the photo, you either have to sacrifice with a thin DOF or stop the camera down more then you would if the lens was mounted the right way around. This is no big deal if you can handhold well or have a tripod, or if you have external lighting. The depth of field in a reversed lens is incredibly small, which means most of the time you will have to have the aperture open to f/16 or f/22 (examples: for insects where you want lots of detail), and you will need lots of light.

However, even at the largest aperture (f/1.4) I was able to achieve a good amount of DOF on the top right image as the ring was relatively flat.. There was plenty of light coming from the left hand side by a window. One of the reasons that persuaded me towards my 50mm lens was the fact it has an aperture ring on the lens itself, making it so much easier to change apertures when reverse mounted. In my opinion it is a great alternative to buying a $600+ Nikkor macro lens. Of course it's not going to replace a macro lens by any means, but this is the 'cheap man's macro' and does a damn good job at it.
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ADHDnoJutsu [2011-07-15 17:00:59 +0000 UTC]

This is awesome! I've always wondered if it can be done, thanks so much for pointing me there

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jenniferstuber In reply to ADHDnoJutsu [2011-07-16 05:58:58 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, I'm glad you found it helpful!

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bluem00n [2009-04-18 18:05:59 +0000 UTC]

What model are you using?

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jenniferstuber In reply to bluem00n [2009-04-19 18:16:33 +0000 UTC]

To be honest, I haven't got a clue the maker of them, they have no company name on them. They are just little black rings with a dot on them to line them up properly.

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bluem00n In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-20 05:50:48 +0000 UTC]

I realised after I wrote the comment - I meant your camera, it looks like a DSLR -- is it?

I wasn't sure whether this works for DSLRs or SLRs only

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jenniferstuber In reply to bluem00n [2009-04-20 18:03:52 +0000 UTC]

Haha, oops! Sorry about that. I'm using a Nikon D90 which is a DSLR. However there is another person in my comments using a SLR and he is using film, so it might work!

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bluem00n In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-21 10:17:54 +0000 UTC]

Oh cool Because I read about this reversed lens technique (without a ring) for SLRs and when I tried it, my camera didn't detect a lense attached (because, well, obviously it wasn't ). I suppose that's exactly what the rings are for - to overcome that difficulty.

How do you find the aperture constraints? Are they an annoyance or does it not bother you too much?

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jenniferstuber In reply to bluem00n [2009-04-21 23:58:34 +0000 UTC]

Ah yes, I don't think that I mentioned but you have to shoot in manual because even with the ring the camera doesn't detect a lens (hence you can change the aperture unless your lens has an aperture ring).

It takes some getting used to, you have to move the camera itself around to get the right focus because the focus ring doesn't do much.

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bluem00n In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-22 03:34:46 +0000 UTC]



Thanks

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Dgylia [2009-04-11 08:55:03 +0000 UTC]

Wow!!! Amazing zoom!

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jenniferstuber In reply to Dgylia [2009-04-13 17:24:10 +0000 UTC]

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Dgylia In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-14 15:42:34 +0000 UTC]

DDDDDDDDD

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OneStripe [2009-04-09 06:51:08 +0000 UTC]

Well done!
I learn so much from you all the time!

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jenniferstuber In reply to OneStripe [2009-04-10 03:14:17 +0000 UTC]

Aww, thank you dear! <3

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OneStripe In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-11 06:08:06 +0000 UTC]

No need for thanks, I only speak the truth! <3

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Pathea [2009-04-08 14:18:55 +0000 UTC]

That's... awesome o_O

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jenniferstuber In reply to Pathea [2009-04-09 02:25:06 +0000 UTC]

I think it's pretty great!

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somuchluv [2009-04-08 05:41:56 +0000 UTC]

wow, thanks!
i must give this a try instead of buying a macro lens.
(until im rich and famous of course )

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jenniferstuber In reply to somuchluv [2009-04-13 16:34:21 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome!

And of course.

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fastbow [2009-04-07 01:53:44 +0000 UTC]

Oh, and this would probably only work with non-G Nikon lenses. If I understand correctly, the G lenses have a pin the camera uses to set the aperture...

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jenniferstuber In reply to fastbow [2009-04-07 01:59:39 +0000 UTC]

Yes, you would be correct about that.
It still works though, you just can't change the aperture.

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fastbow [2009-04-07 01:51:45 +0000 UTC]

How do you set shutter speed and aperture? While this looks interesting, I shoot a Nikon F3 and can't screw around all day experimenting with different light...

But this does look cool. Would it work on an older Nikon or is it digital only?

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jenniferstuber In reply to fastbow [2009-04-07 01:58:42 +0000 UTC]

Shutter speed is set the normal way it always is, but aperture has to be set on the lens (if you lens has an aperture ring) or it defaults to the smallest aperture. You can use your finger to change the aperture (the little silver bit on the back of the lens), but it's difficult to do.

Even though it is cool, I wouldn't recommend it with film unless you have a lot of film lying around. It takes a bit to get the right setting and focus. With digital you can just snap away until it looks good.

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fastbow In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-07 02:12:55 +0000 UTC]

So I could just measure with a light meter and shoot from my measurements with no ill effect?

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jenniferstuber In reply to fastbow [2009-04-07 02:38:23 +0000 UTC]

You could give it a try! I really have no experience with a light meter for shooting film, unfortunately.
In theory, it should indeed work.

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fastbow In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-07 02:41:43 +0000 UTC]

Interesting. Might be fun to shoot a roll of film off like that...

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jenniferstuber In reply to fastbow [2009-04-07 02:44:33 +0000 UTC]

You just have to watch for the fact that the aperture shrinks by an incredibly amount, so you have to compensate with shutter speed to get enough light. F/1.4 on the normal way is incredibly thin when reversed.
Other then that, you should be fine!

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fastbow In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-07 02:46:50 +0000 UTC]

See, that would be my real question. For metering purposes, how many stops would I lose? I'd need to know that to set the shutter speed...

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jenniferstuber In reply to fastbow [2009-04-07 22:03:26 +0000 UTC]

I found this link on Flickr that might help you out: [link]

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RoxMad [2009-04-07 01:34:09 +0000 UTC]

Nice! Does this work for telephoto lenses too, to make them even longer? I can't wait to see more shots from this!

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jenniferstuber In reply to RoxMad [2009-04-07 01:46:13 +0000 UTC]

Reverse rings basically let the lens focus closer to the subject, it won't make a telephoto longer. When lenses are reversed, the smaller the focal length the better. The small glass acts like a big magnifying glass! But telephoto lenses still work. The longer the lens, the farther away you get from 1:1 magnification.

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RoxMad In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-11 17:25:07 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the info!

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sanitys-end [2009-04-06 19:06:55 +0000 UTC]

I haven't seen this done very much, I've always thought about trying it when I manage to get a better camera! But, I must say, that is quite impressive!

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jenniferstuber In reply to sanitys-end [2009-04-08 01:04:24 +0000 UTC]

Indeed it is! I have practiced by hand-holding, which is extremely hard to do, that's why I got the ring that holds the lens for me.

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sanitys-end In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-09 20:14:34 +0000 UTC]

With your hand? Good grief, you have much patience to practice that way! Good thing you have those rings now!

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OrcaAmbition [2009-04-06 03:45:22 +0000 UTC]

How much were the rings, might I ask? I've always been tempted but the amazingness of this floors me and I'd be interested in investing if it isn't too much!

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jenniferstuber In reply to OrcaAmbition [2009-04-06 03:52:09 +0000 UTC]

I think each ring was about $7 dollars Canadian, free shipping.
Here is a link to ebay with a bunch of Canon ones (tiny url because the link is long) [link]
There are a bunch for $5.99, and I think they'll work with your camera.

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OrcaAmbition In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-07 17:57:16 +0000 UTC]

You are my hero! I may have to invest in one for at least my kit or my 50mm./

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jenniferstuber In reply to OrcaAmbition [2009-04-07 22:22:21 +0000 UTC]

Go for it!

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TVD-Photography [2009-04-06 00:21:23 +0000 UTC]

Very nice

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jenniferstuber In reply to TVD-Photography [2009-04-06 04:28:54 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! I'm very pleased.

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Serephinex [2009-04-05 23:52:52 +0000 UTC]

You are fantastic.
Thats really impressive.
I've got an 18-135mm and a 55-200 mm lens, and I must say... macro shots are impossible.
I'm wondering what I should do? Extension tubes? macro fliters? Reverse rings? What do you suggest?

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jenniferstuber In reply to Serephinex [2009-04-06 04:05:21 +0000 UTC]

I'd suggest getting yourself a 67mm reverse ring for the 18-135mm lens. When it comes to reverse mounting, the smaller the focal length the better. The best lens to reverse mount would be an extremely wide angle lens, but the 35mm-50mm range works great.
The problem with using zoom lenses is the fact that they have no aperture ring so the camera defaults to the smallest aperture. I only found one other person trying to reverse that lens, [link]
To be honest, I don't know much about extension tubes other then they are more costly, and I would assume you'd need a lot of light since your moving the lens away from the sensor. Macro filters are pretty much useless, in my opinion.

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0-Akasha-0 [2009-04-05 19:28:15 +0000 UTC]

wow the result is pretty impressive, and it also lets you have a lower aperture # very interesting, i didn't know there was such a thing, i just got my baby nikon a coupple of months ago and i'm still learning the tricks i've never worked with a DSLR before, except in high school and it was just for taking photos of the school activities never anything creative.

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jenniferstuber In reply to 0-Akasha-0 [2009-04-08 01:03:05 +0000 UTC]

You can use lower aperture as long as your subject is relatively flat in the front. If you used a low aperture to take a picture of a coin at an angle for example, most of the coin would be out of focus.
I only got my DSLR in January so I'm learning some tricks too!

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0-Akasha-0 In reply to jenniferstuber [2009-04-08 02:18:59 +0000 UTC]

thanx for the tip good luck learning stuff with your camera too

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KaylaOkami [2009-04-05 19:28:13 +0000 UTC]

O.o WOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!

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jenniferstuber In reply to KaylaOkami [2009-04-06 04:28:43 +0000 UTC]

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