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Elvinkin66 In reply to SchattenLotus [2018-10-07 12:55:44 +0000 UTC]

Oh because the Alliance is so honorable!

The Horde is merely a collection of races that the "noble" alliance betrayed

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SchattenLotus In reply to Elvinkin66 [2018-10-07 14:23:35 +0000 UTC]

Don't try silly Social Justice Warrior-wannabe Stuff with me, "Please",

this isn't about the Alliance.

This is only about "ONE. simple. Truth". ... ... ... ... ... the Warrior's of the Horde could have said "NO" to burning Teldrassil, or murdering everyone at Astranaar ... ...

They didn't. And it's REALLY SAD they didn't. The Burning Legion would be proud of the Horde for what they did. "Especially" with the "burning" Teldrassil part ... ...

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Elvinkin66 In reply to SchattenLotus [2018-10-07 14:32:05 +0000 UTC]

I am not an SJW!

I never said the Horde is innocent I just said the Alliance is just as bad ... if not worse.

They betrayed the high elves multiple times.
The put orcs in camps with horrid conditions.

They betrayed their own stone masons... forcing them into banditry.

Then there is the infamous Purge of Dalaron where Jaina Proudmore ran around with her water elamental and slew any blood elf she could find

And this is just a small list of Alliance atrocities.

Butchers and oathbrakers the lot of them!

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SchattenLotus In reply to Elvinkin66 [2018-10-07 14:49:32 +0000 UTC]

Nice that we have cleared that You aren't

1.) The "Alliance" didn't betray the Highelves. Garithos did. A single Human, representing "Lordaeron" at most

2.) I know the Story with the Camps. Still - they "respected" the Orc's right to live. They could have bloody murdered them all, but they didn't.

( I can respect that )

3.) "Stone masons" ? o.O Please explain. You mean the People who became "Defias" later?

4.) * Team Four Star Vegeta Voice * " I was there ... ... " ^^

( She teleported them into the violet Prison, didn't she? She "only" killed those who fought back, didn't she? )

(( and after getting a "MANA-Bomb" to the Head i would say People from inside the Horde tried REALLY HARD to get her hostile (or dead) ))

5.) Small list? I am curious. Please mention.

6.) I never broke my oath, though i "always" rescued troubled Horde-Players from Zandalari-Rare Mobs in Mists of Pandaria, when i could

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Elvinkin66 In reply to SchattenLotus [2018-10-07 15:16:29 +0000 UTC]

1: He was representing the Aliance at the time, he was sent by them everything he did is on the alinces hand. he was after all  the highest ranking officer of the Alliance at the time.

2. They were suffering and barely ate... If it was not for Thrall they would have died slowly.

3.Yes. The Alliance nobility refused to pay the maisons and later murdered their leader.  The Dragon may have suggested it by the nobles agreed. 

4.  The Elves had nothing to do with that. Janina broke her neutrality so the blood elves decided that the Oath of neutrality  was null and void and added the Horde (You know the people who actually helped them when they needed aid) and stole that bell. In response she drove the elves out arresting meny innocent and murdered any who resisted. When it was all over she gave the vary same excuse the the Germans gave after Kristallnacht. There was only one hero that day and that was Magister Rommath who saved meny elves from the mad Proudmore's wrath.

5. Yes. I did not mention other things such as fireing on neutral ships, and  invading the Lands of the Trolls, as well as a lot of crimes against the Elves

6. There oath of alliance to the High Elves, An Oath of Neutrality in the  Kirin Tor, ect!
The Alliance Created the Modern Horde due to the fact the the Horde only exists to defend themselves from the Alliance. 

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SchattenLotus In reply to Elvinkin66 [2018-10-07 15:52:21 +0000 UTC]

1.) No he wasn't. But sure he "THOUGHT" he did. That's a Fact no doubt.

2.) Luckily they were left alive long enough to escape, right?

( Left. alive. Under Gul'Dan the Horde wasn't as kind, most of the time )

3.) that doesn't come close to invade another World and murder countless Innocents, though

4.) Ahhh, i can hardly say "murdered" when Jaina warned everyone not

to resist. You don't "fxxx" with the Boss and then claim you didn't want

to escalate the Situation. (( Also funny, since i am German ))

(( From what i know, what happend after the "Kristallnacht" was FAR WORSE ))

5.) I have a hint of what you mean. Yes, sometimes Alliance Forces are Dicks.

6.) You know what?

They should just have "SLAUGHTERED" all the Orc's instead of putting them into Camps

" Case closed ", "BITCHING closed",

no more recalcitrant " Jeah WE exist only to defend ourselves from YOU "- bitching,

no War and "probably" Azeroth would have perished by now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But we wouldn't have " Gorilla AFTER AN CAR ACCIDENT " -Greenskins who are a Plague

right after the Scourge itself, whenever the "Legion" is not present or not able anymore

to be the very same Pest, threatening RACES and Area's that are not even their own Planet

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Elvinkin66 In reply to SchattenLotus [2018-10-07 16:12:32 +0000 UTC]

1. He was sent by the alliance and acted under there authority, If we can blame the horde for Selvanases actions we can blame the Allaance for Garathos.
2. They were prisoners of war... a war 20 years ended.
3. That was the First horde... We are talking about the currant one. 
4. Yeah and If some crazy mage lady was trying to remove me and my family from there home for something we had no part in I would resist as well.  Janina betrayed the elves not the other way around. I'm just saying the parallels between the two events are uncanny. 

5. Yeah An the Horde has a tendency of picking bad leaders... your point is.

6. That would be genoside. Plus it was the orcs who won the third war for Azeroth! With out the orcs meny other races would be dead, such as the Turans, and Trolls.
It the Humans that are the problem. It was them who invaide others lands... it was a infestation that originated  in their lands, spread by human cultists that destroyed the high elf kingdom.  It is humans who's words amount to mud when it really matters.  The humans control the Allance with an Iron grip and the other races have little power... in the Horde all races are equal.   


Arthas, Janaia,Garathos, Arugal, 
Its Humans who are the problem!

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SchattenLotus In reply to Elvinkin66 [2018-10-07 17:24:07 +0000 UTC]

" 6.) " No,

that would be DEFENSE of one's own World and Home.

Invaders "ARE" the most evil Scum imaginable. Not "enrichment",

not "diversity" - just filthy Destroyers of all that is "and was" good

BEFORE they came

1.) I am confident Garithos was "not" encouraged by the Alliance to treat the Highelves like shit.

2.) HAHAHAH, tell ME about it! I am German.
My Country is "ILLEGALLY" occupied for over SEVENTY YEARS by now, since WW2 ended.

And satanic Teratisms (Zionists) controlling the USA want us "GENOCIDED" as a Race!!!!!!!!!!

STRANGE!! When the "Nazi's" wanted to genocide a Group, it's eeeeeevil.

When satanic SCUM wants to genocide Germans, it's "diiiiiveeeersity" and good, huh? BULLSHIT!

( I would gladly drop ANY Nuke i would ever get in my Hands to fight this DISGUSTING, evil World. )

( FXXX Humankind )

3.) " That was the BACK THEN-Alliance, "not the current One" ... ... "

( Here i can say it, too )

4.) Fight someone stronger than You - and "DIE" !!!!!!!!!!!!
" Comply and cooperate " - and You might experience Injustice - but You WILL survive and see the

Chance of getting back what is your's not unlikely.

WHOEVER "fought" Jaina when she went nuts, "WANTED" to fight her! =.=

And when People fight - - - - > People DIE!

"SO much Pride" - in the Face of Reality! Before giving up, better fight proudly and die, right? "Right" ??

5.) " FUNfact " is - - - > i think the Horde is just "unlucky" with picking their Leaders.

I "know" of the noble Taurens. The many Orc's with pure Honor in their Hearts.

Goblins might be greedy little Assholes. MANY Forsaken are the worst Scumbags,

but Tauren and Orc's ? No no no no no no!! THEY have Honor! THEY know what is right.

And yet, "sadly" - - > nobody said "NO" when Sylvanas ordered THE. WORST. CRIMES. since the Scourge!

Garrosh was bad? Wait for what SYLVANAS will do! We all know i have a point.

She LITERALLY resurrected fallen Horde-Warrior's as soul-less, undead MONSTERS in the Battle for

Lordaeron and Undercity. She thought they were "better Fodder" as unholy Skeletons attacking everything

in Sight - as to simply being honorable Horde-Warrior's who fought "and died" - for her Cause.

Fxxx Sylvanas. Evil Cunt. (>_>)

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WinstonCigar In reply to SchattenLotus [2018-09-21 07:34:34 +0000 UTC]

The deforestation has stirred dissatisfaction among thrall and the shamans who toiled to maintain any fragile peace. Sylvanas Windrunner eyed Teldrassil to monopolize the Azerite market for the Horde and burned the tree after being cursed by a dying night elf. Her relation with Varok Saurfang started to deteriorate after the atrocity.

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SchattenLotus In reply to WinstonCigar [2018-09-21 18:09:42 +0000 UTC]

I am just disappointed how the Races of the Horce who are

known for their Honor - especially the Orc and Tauren got

along with Sylvanas' Madness.

The Tauren had a Druid-Relationship with the Nightelves

for many Tauren Generations, didn't they?

Wow ... ... ... i mean, wow ... ... ...

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WinstonCigar In reply to SchattenLotus [2018-09-22 02:20:42 +0000 UTC]

But Malfurion Stormrage's student Hammul Runetotem had nothing to do with the above. Some members like Garona Halforcen and Lillian Voss are feigning loyalty to save their own skins. Vol'jin reluctantly elected Sylvanas Windrunner to succeed him due to seeing some vision from the Loa before dying. During the Battle for Lordaeron Sylvanas evacuated the civilians and killed her own troops just to kill the Alliance leaders with plague gas.

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