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No. That didn't feel out-of-place at all.Related content
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Here are my issues:
1. Red shirts have been replaced by the straight white male.
2. AGAIN, where are the hispanics? The last one was Torres from Voyager and she was half Klingon. She had a bad temper, okay...never mind they got that right. The one before that stole a ship that looks like a low-rider.
3. Remaining white straight males are flawed.
4. When they finally admit this is an origin story for Section 31; how suspect that it would be populated by a majority of non-Earthlings? CIA is dominated by non Americans; KGB is dominated by non Russians? NASA on the other hand has plenty of H1B visas but still the minority of the agency.
5. This is not Star Trek, this is a show with semi-official grudging permission to exist by the copyright holders to monetize what fan-created stories had been doing quite well. Another words---> Greed.
6. I am still waiting for the boob flash scene. Why have uniforms at all?
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not to mention the black and white klingons that really aren't klingons by any definition of the word where even the producers said "No we didn't think of Klingons we wanted them to look like trump supporters"
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lol wth, looking at the comments made me realize why my parents stopped watching the new show. bad writing
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I'm confused.Β Did this actually happen on the new Star Trek?
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She said "fucking cool" which was weird for a Star Trek.
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No she says that fucking cool but doesn't get naked... Thankfully?
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Oh my i like how this turned south very fast!
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Yeah this is when i went fuck it to star trek discovery, its obvious they are just trying waaaaaay too hard to be edgy.
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Yes, well. That is technically what a mushroom is all about; a fruiting body to send out spores and allow the fungus to reproduce.
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No idea what this is about. Honestly, this makes me think of Fallout.
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The new star trek.
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This awkward moment when you realize that the new "Star Trek" is much more insane than the parody "Orville". Mushrooms - are you serious? What kind of drug addiction?
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Stopped watching after the pilot but...was this an actual episode?
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Sadly, yes (except for the boob flash). First three panels are near verbatim.
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I'm glad I am not the only one that was a bit stunned for this scene.
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So, I guess that means that SOMEHOW Star Trek Discovery is worse than the first half of Star Trek Enterprise.
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How the fuck does one achieve that?
It kinda sounds like they turned Star Trek into a generic edgelord knock off of itself.
I genuinly wish now that someone would dig up that cancelled ST animated series concept and just do it. Last time I checked (wich was years ago) the people responsible for it still maintained the website and even uploaded a few scripts.
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Sometimes I get the impression that they called it STD on purpose.
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They DIDN'T call it STD.Β They called it DSC.Β No Star Trek TV Series has EVER had "ST" in its abbreviation, even the one-word shows, like Voyager and Enterprise (which were VOY/VGR and ENT, not STV and STE).
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Actually, I beg to differ. I have seen many calls for ST-XXX. VOY/VGR; ToS (original series); TAS (animated); TNG (next gen); ENT (Enterprise); DS9 (Deep Space 9); MOV (movies-with Abrams movies with MOV-AR for alternate reality). The coup de grace is Discovery with ST-DIS, ST-DSC, and STD. The latter due to initial negative feedback on the reception. When on the Star Trek subject within known circles such as here we tend to leave off the "ST" as it becomes redundant and ungainly. Sadly, or humorously, I believe 'STD' will stay as the informal moniker short-hand.
My opinion: It is the least Star Trek of them all. With so many demands and expectations that have to be complied with legally. A quasi-reboot had to be em-placed. I enjoy the show as a stand alone with a bit of familiarity but I try very hard to ignore the preachy leftist rhetoric. It is tiresome and over PC and then contradicts itself by using the word "FUCK". Who is this show actually for?
The actors are decent. The more notable ones are seemingly a bit full of themselves. The stories are trying to be "Trekkie" but are more concerned about seeing an issue a certain way. It reminds of me of the current news media. They give feelings and opinions rather than verified facts. Maybe they should take a page from Morgan Freeman or Denzel Washington. Report the actual story not the story that is expressed in the most sensational way that conforms to their ratings. Same with the stories put forth on STD.
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Β I enjoyed the ader episode.
This one, Not so much.
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This demonstrates how out of place her character feels in this show in a way that would have taken me ten minutes to explain to somebody else.
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Β Β Well, that was a quick response, and it sure made me smile!
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.... I honestly did not expect that answer.... Ok I'm gonna sound like a complete noob for asking but is it possible to see it?
Also love your webcomic of "Squential Art" big fan of your art style and your *ahem* mature artwork.Β Β
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I also desire this.
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Alot of people call Star Trek discovery risky because it strays from Star Trek. But that is why it is not risky it is just following all of the trends to be popular and not even doing that right. it is gritty in the way a teenager thinks is gritty, Character conflicts have no weight, (I say this as a "PoC" if that means anything) Michael is a piece of shit who the show wants us to think is awesome and worth redeeming when she deserves to rot in a cell. And the fuck is with the Klingon eating people.
Orville>STDΒ
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Omg, the abbreviation is STD. That's perfect.
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Because nobody wanted it, it spreads among younger people who are less informed, its irritating, its a result of poor planning and poor decisions, and it leaves you angry and remorseful. And as much as you want it to, it just wont go away. - Robb of Midnight's Egde
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"nobody wanted it" is what was said about EVERY new Trek show ever made.
TOS fans said "nobody wanted TNG, we hate it, it is going to fail" and after one terrible season and one lackluster season, TNG finally came into its own because it was allowed to be given time to do so.
TNG fans said "nobody wanted DS9", fans said "nobody wanted Voyager", fans said "nobody wanted Enterprise"....
This is nothing new folks.Β ALL new shows take time to find their footing.Β However, we once again demonstrate that today we are in an "Instant Gratification Society" where if it isn't immediately the greatest thing in the world, its awful, we hate it, destroy it, blah, blah, blah, blah
I have a feeling all of your complaints and questions will be answered as the serialized storytelling reaches its conclusion.Β We are only in setup mode at this point.
By the way, she didn't just blurt out "F*ck", she said "this is so f*cking cool", which is what a NORMAL PERSON would have said.Β Honestly, Star Trek's desperate insistence to shy away from language felt more unrealistic and out of place than someone blurting out what was on their mind.Β Especially in a world where we weren't supposed to be judgmental anymore.
oh, I forgot, just like freedom of speech, IDIC only applies when its something we LIKE.
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The issue you have with all of the above you wrote?
This show is trying to force Star Trek into the generic "it's dark and morally dubious" bloody mould ALL sci-fi shows have had recently.Β
You have a protagonist who is a mass murderer, warmonger, and mutineer and after six episodes is STILL unlikable.Β
you have a crew who would fail the original/TNG/DS9 et all series Starfleet's psychological examinations and requirements.
You have a ship that makes no sense logically in where it falls between the existing series in design (even if you compare it via Archers to Kirk's ST motion picture enterprise for "decent" materials in design).Β
And because it does that? This show will NEVER become Star Trek and resonate with most of the original fans. Also, BECAUSE it's so cookiecutter in design any fans it's looking for? I doubt many will stay, it has such little unique identity to give why would they?
TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise at least did ONE thing right that ST fans NEVER complained about.
They were NEVER philosophically compromised about the universe they inhabited!!
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Well, when the story arc concludes, we will no doubt see that "one thing right" as it is generally in the resolution that the "trek message" reveals itself.Β Unlike stand-alone episodes, serialized format requires you to actually wait for the story to conclude to GET the whole story.Β And that's the whole problem, no one wants to wait.Β Everyone needs RIGHT NOW, THIS INSTANT, IMMEDIATELY, HURRY UP,... in typical fashion with today's Instant Gratification Society.
It is WAY too early to say "the show will NEVER become Star Trek" as that same phrase has been used about EVERY new series in Trek history during their first seasons.Β TNG didn't even come into its own until season 3.Β DS9 found its footing much sooner, but most were still harping on the fact it was on a Space Station and wasn't about exploring.Β And hell, Enterprise didn't get its recognition until AFTER the show was concluded (and that finale sure didn't help).
The point is, we are too quick and eager to complain, and too unwilling to allow it to gain any kind of momentum.Β For all we know, the plan may be to give us everything we ask for in the end,... if we're just willing to wait for that end.
"They were NEVER philosophically compromised about the universe they inhabited!!"
Ever hear of a little thing called "Section 31"?Β And since Sloan had stated it was "in the original Federation Charter" (which I am absolutely certain Gene would never have permitted... but too late now) it can most certainly exist in DSC's time too.Β From what I hear, DSC is essentially the beginning of their real power, as there was never really any threat to justify their existence since the UFP was founded, until now.Β Hell, the whole reason of setting up Michael's conflict over the mutiny is in order to create a greater conflict within her when she must do so again.Β There is not a doubt in my mind she will have to turn against Lorca somewhere down the line.
"You have a protagonist who is a mass murderer, warmonger, and mutineer" uh... mass murderer?Β Excuse me?Β Warmonger?Β She was trying to PREVENT war.Β And Mutineer, okay, so was RIKER.Β There have been MANY times where a Star Trek character has turned against a Captain or Admiral because it was the right thing to do.Β Kirk did it, Spock did it, Picard did it, Riker did it, Data did it, Sisko did it, Worf did it...
Oh, right, those don't count, because we LIKE those.
What I wonder is, if things actually turn out the way we hope by the end of Discovery,... will ANYONE admit they were wrong and should have waited before rendering judgment?Β I think not.
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Hmm... are we talking about mutineering of other characters when they know they are going against a direct order from their captain? Trying to remember an episode in ST where the character disobeyed and went against senior command where they knew what they were doing was wrong and went against what the Federation and Starfleet's rules are designed for?
Off the top of my head, when not related to people under mind control/alien devices etc...
Spock saving Pike... I agree he does this, but then it's all mind control and the admiral doesn't exist and then it turns out that the aliens on the planet have such immense power they were all behind it anyway? I have no idea on this one.
Riker disobeyed his previous captain about not revealing the cloaking device because his captain was concealing that he had broken the Federation/Romulan accord about cloaks.Β
When did Data disobey his captain knowingly?Β
Sisko, if you mean the episode when he sets up the plot to fool the romulans to get them in the war and it leads to the death of the envoy at Garaks hands? Yeah, and he should have been courtmartialed and he KNEW it too.. which is why he keeps that little gem to himself. He knows if anyone finds out, bang, jail. I had issues with this episode, but at least he struggled, WAS struggling with his decision at the end of that episode. To this day, I think the only way he could rationalise it was that he had to protect Bajor as well, in his role as the Emissary... meh, my viewpoint on that.Β
STD: Her captain tells her not to fire, she knocks her out, attempts to fire on a ship not attacking them against every federation rule under the sun, is caught - keeps begging to fire on the Klingons with very little idea of what is going on. beams to the Klingon ship with strict instructions that whatever happens they must capture the Klingon Leader to prevent war - sees her captain die and angrily (watched this in slow motion) picks up the gun, 99% sure she flicks it to kill herself as it was on stun- kills Klingon leader and any hope of preventing war. I'd say that makes her a warmonger. again, aware this is my opinion, but then my opinion of her matters as it decides if I will like her character and keep watching.Β
I don't. I don't like any of them. I don't like the stories and how cookiecutter dark/battlestar galactica/ Stargate Universe they feel.Β
It's why I could stomach up to Episode six and then... stopped.Β
If they suggest this Discovery is how Section 31 begins in earnest? Fine. But be frank and call it that, don't piss around saying "it's Star Trek" when Section 31 are the enemy in every Episode they've been in.. Sloan was NOT someone we were supposed to agree with, and DS9 made it clear that Section 31 was bad news.
Oh, and hey, if Discovery turns into ST again? Cool... I'll admit I was wrong, but you'll have to let me know/I'll have to have a lot of my ST fans let me know. Because frankly this show pissed me off enough to stop me watching. (shrugs)
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They can't just up and tell you that, because that is "spoiling the ending".Β You know how today's Hollywood thrives on the "surprise twists".Β And even then, saying it beforehand would serve no legitimate purpose for the majority of those watching, as most would have no clue who they even are, and yet still blurting out "these will be the bad guys" totally spoiling the remainder of the show.Β
As for BSG and SGU... I happened to enjoy both, and am still pissed SGU never got an ending and was allowed to die on a cliffhanger.
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I am going to take this piece by piece. You want to talk about this being "Setup" Mode. Here is an Idea setup characters the first thing we do in this series is getting into a battle with characters no one knows. At DS9 built to War arc it setup characters and motivations then put them into a war. The characters in STD are flat and motivations change on a dime to do what the plot needs them to do. You can talk about a show finding it is footing doesn't negate your show sucking or your characters acting like idoits.
Thirdly, it is stated bluntly in star trek Swearing is such an oddity that it is so weird and rare so it does not fit the preestablish world so it clashes hard. So it would not matter if it was any other series BUT, Star trek. Even doing for "excitement" is stupid cause no one does that in this universe.
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Yeah, sure, half your points are valid, but here's the deal. I may swear in my work. I may swear when I am deployed in the military, I don't swear around markets or my family. And I don't want to have f bombs dropped in my fricken TV show I wanna share with my kid.
Star Trek is suppose to be about a society that is higher thinking and a higher way than we are. They've moved on from the need for Money, they've moved on from war with each other, They've also moved on to be more dignified than to swear like a teenager at school or some Soldier or Marine with his squad mates.
You don't need to swear in fiction, Star Wars doesn't have terrible language, Star Trek didn't, Star Gate SG1 (The best scifi) kept the language in a military setting very little.Β "everyone says it" is not an excuse to use it on TV.
Also ..magical faster than light mushrooms.. what in the hell.
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really sad, that a comedy is closer to the original Star Trek, than the new Original Star Trek.
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Completely agree then.Β That show is an homage to Star Trek more than it is a parody.
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