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Published: 2014-01-18 00:08:09 +0000 UTC; Views: 65775; Favourites: 1777; Downloads: 716
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I’m always wary when I hear of people in power targeting specific groups with irrational and/or hysteria-fuelled justification. As a history nut I can say it has never ended well. Ever.
Also, the more this has escalated, the more I have felt that Vladimir Putin (topless cross-country jockey and current Russian President) doth protest too much….
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I think homosexuality is completely and utterly against the natural order.....just like everything else about our civilization.
We defy nature on a daily basis. If two members of the same gender find each other sexually attractive and then act upon it, it's no different to the myriad of other ways in which we bend nature to serve our needs.
As homosexuality is something which causes no harm to anyone, the hypocrisy is in saying "This is OK. That is not."
Suggesting that it's a "sexual disorder" doesn't make you "irrational".....it just makes you an ill-informed dick.
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there's nothing "ill-informed" about calling it a sexual disorder, nor does it make someone a dick, i hate to be the one to have to tell you this but sexual desires exist for the purposes of reproduction, if someone desires to interact sexually with something which could never possibly bear offspring then their reproductive drive is disordered... that is a fact, an indisputable one, no matter who doesn't like it or claims that it's offensive, and if pointing out that something is a disorder makes someone a dick then every doctor who ever lived is a huge throbbing penis
people need to learn the difference between "i hate all homo fags and they will burn in hell" and "homosexuality is not healthy"
and it is "harmful", just like chemically castrating something is harmful, the sex drive is necessary for the survival of all organisms which reproduce sexually, if you alter it or take it away so that it no longer functions then you essentially kill that organism, it won't reproduce and will be the last generation in its line, and that will be the end of it.. homosexuality may not cause any visible harm that you can see with your eyes but it is still inherently harmful by the nature of what it is, if every member of a species was homosexual then that species would become extinct, that's another indisputable fact, heterosexuality is the only thing which maintains continued life, a disorder doesn't need to have an immediately noticable effect in order to be harmful
there's no hypocrisy involved, heterosexuality IS "ok", homosexuality is not, it would only be hypocrisy if the two things were equally comparable, and they're not... one is the creator of all life and the other prevents the creation of life
it's not something that should ever be promoted or encouraged, it should be tolerated OBVIOUSLY but not culturally considered equal to heterosexuality, it should be treated as a disorder like any other and the cause should be isolated and fixed... there's no reason whatsoever to call that irrational or hateful, it's no more irrational or hateful than trying to treat eating disorders... should we celebrate anorexia and encourage people to be comfortable with being anorexic? or should anorexic people be encouraged to eat what they're supposed to eat, with research done to figure out how to fix their problems? reproduction is no less of a necessary function than eating, if people should be encouraged to eat the right things then they should be encouraged to fuck the right things.. it's their choice to do what they want but society has an obligation to promote health and help people, not just try to comfort people who have problems and convince them to fall deeper into them
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You know what else is a disorder? Lactose tolerance. Yes, you read that right. Lactose TOLERANCE.
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that's not a disorder, it's adaptation to a new order, it helps us survive
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Then how about freckles? Or male pattern baldness? Or any number of other genetic factors? Those don't help us survive.
Point is, the thing which separates us from the animals is that survival of the fittest doesn't apply to us anymore. We broke that system. And if homosexuals are the natural consequence of living in a world where people don't get polio anymore, then that's fine by me.
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Except, you know, it's not like many, many people have sex most of the time for fun and recreation, of course not...
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see my previous reply to your other stupid response... it conveniently works for both
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You're ignoring what I said about our civilization's very existence being against the natural order of things.
Also, as homosexuality goes back as far as Ancient Greece and beyond, and that the planet's population has since then risen to 7 billion, the issue of nil reproductive capacity probably isn't really something worth getting in a twist over.
As soon as you can prove you don't use any form of artificial means to heal you when your sick, feed yourself when hungry or cover yourself when cold: then you may call other people's sexual preference a "disorder".
Humans are a brilliant, ingenious species. They can get their rocks off how they damn well please.
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i ignored it because it was completely irrelevant and held no bearing on anything i said... you're rolling out the old "two wrongs" fallacy with a generic cliched argument about nature which doesn't counter anything at all... i never said anything about nature, i said homosexuality is a reproductive disorder and shouldn't be promoted as being something that is healthy
how natural society is is a completely different issue, and things being done wrong in one area of society is not a rational justification for doing things wrong in another area
there are plenty of other disorders which have been around since ancient times, that does nothing to change the fact that they are disorders and in no way refutes the point that an entirely homosexual species would go extinct, that is what qualifies it as a disorder, the fact that heterosexuals still exist has nothing to do with anything... cancer has been around since ancient greece but the people who didn't die from it still had kids and kept the species going, that changes nothing about the nature of cancer
and me doing things that aren't natural holds no bearing on whether or not something else is a disorder... that's ridiculously poor logic lol.. you're really in no position to be calling anyone irrational
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My argument isn't about nature at all, it's about choice in defiance of it. What you seem to be calling a "disorder".
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"what i seem to be calling a disorder"... you mean the indisputable FACT that their reproductive system is malfunctioning and causing them to try to reproduce with things that they can't reproduce with.. it's not an opinion or a label, a disorder is what it is and there is no arguing about it
and no, your argument isn't about choice, your argument is that one disorder is fine because everything else that's wrong with the world is fine, that's what you have actually been saying, the fact that you feel they should have a choice is irrelevant to the point that it's a disorder, and i never argued against them having a choice
besides, homosexuals have no more "choice" in their sexuality than the amount of choice a colorblind person has in which colors they can see, ironically the only way that they could ever truly have a choice is if effort was put into finding a cure, so they could actually decide whether they wanted to be like that or not... of course a lot would choose to stay the same because people have been brainwashed to believe it's just as healthy as heterosexuality, but if that brainwashing stopped then i'm sure plenty of confused and frightened people would be happy to have the opportunity to live out normal lives and continue their family line
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Except that psychiatry and medicine as a whole stopped considering it an illness in the 70's, you do realize that, right?
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because what some group of people does or doesn't do completely changes what the reproductive drive is for, right?
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pristichampsus... you're not basing your beliefs on science, you're basing them on popular opinion
"you're wrong because the famous scientists say blah blah blah" is not science, it's faith, your opinion is based n faith that someone else knows better than you, it's not based on any kind of facts
"you're wrong because semen exists for the purpose of fertilizing eggs and the reproductive drive exists for the purpose of ensuring that this happens" is science, not opinion, it's a scientifically proven fact that this is what semen is for and a scientifically proven fact that this is what the reproductive drive is for, these 2 facts can never, ever be called into doubt just because some popular group of people calling themselves scientists talk a lot of meaningless bullshit
and now you want to talk about evolution eliminating traits that are fatal to offspring, clearly not understanding what the fuck evolution even is... making a creature homosexual completely removes them from the evolutionary process you utter spastic... traits are kept when they are beneficial to an animal and help them reproduce, this passes them on to their offspring and the traits become more prevalent over time, that is evolution... traits are lost when they hinder reproduction and prevent the animal from passing them on to their offspring, how the hell does your hilarious brain conceive homosexuality helping a creature to reproduce? how can you possibly consider the inability to reproduce AT ALL to be an evolutionary advantage? i know you didn't personalluy come up with this, some other idiot wearing a fake lab coat told you it made sense and you just had blind faith in them without thinking, but wow, talk about fucking stupid
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I go by what science and the progress of human knowledge dictates, according to science, homosexuality is part of the normal human spectrum of sexual behavior. The fact that you seem to think sex is only about reproduction is odd. People have sex with plastic dolls of women, maybe you should go rage about that in the comments section, because that doesn't promote reproduction either.
Bottom line is, you are ranting on as if you are basing your opinion on science, when, in fact, contemporary science does not agree with your statements. You are just a homophobe who thinks he can justify his opinion by saying that it's against nature, by spouting quasi-scientific rubbish that you just pulled out of your own ass. If humans were all about reproduction, we'd be little more than animals, our lives are much richer than just being a means to an end, or an evolutionary automaton. If you had actually based your argument on science, and not your blurry mental image of science and evolution, you would realize you do not have a leg to stand on.
Evolution only eliminates traits that are fatal to offspring, many harmless or completely neutral behaviors can and do get passed on and propagated. Homosexuality is one of them, one offspring being gay or bisexual has little effect on the species as a whole, and many animals have been observed behaving in a homosexual way. Iguanas jump at the moon, whales play with kelp, alligators eat leaves, goats climb trees, animals do un-necessary or silly things all the time, and it has little effect on the evolutionary process. Given how rare homosexuality is compared to reproducing individuals, it is not an evolutionary disadvantage, simply a genetic or developmental quirk with little or no consequence.
So yeah, you can stop the smart, quasi-scientific facade, you are just full of bullshit, and it shows.
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All people have different views on the subject of homosexuality. We can't go around and tell people 'like it'or 'hate it'. I'm going to make this short an to the point:
You hate homosexuals, fine, hate them. You like homosexuals, fine, you're on my good list. But don't try and push your hate on someone else. Especially not on someone who, and excuse my French, can burn you so good that you'll be nothing short of cremated. And yes, I do mean that Mr. mindfleas was burned by Mr. Pristichampsus.(and what's even better, he got beat in the discussion he himself started with the 'science' he used) I applaude you.
(English is not my native language, so if I made mistakes, I do apologize.)
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Thanks for your vote of confidence.
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Well, by that logic I must be just as "unhealthy" as they are, because I'm straight and I have no burning desire to have kids.
Oh, god! All this time I thought I was making a choice, but it turns out I have a disorder!
Thank you, Mindfleas! Thank you for bringing this to my attention!
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LOL...this might actually be his dream sequence. "Nothing must ever be said about this...to anyone." This is truly funny, and very well done. Old Vladimir has never been on top of my hit parade anyway.
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With all this hate-war, I'm starting to believe that the best solution would be for him to take his Iron Fist and shove it up his own ass.
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Shhh... You better begin with something softer, if you want to show him the joys of the other side!
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Well...no..not gay..just HIGHLY questionable..what with the bite piece bridle...
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Jetar is right! The main idea of that law was restrict the children from propaganda. And under propaganda it means only the propaganda, without any offending of homosexuals.
In ideal state this law was an attempt to end all those holywars between two orientations around childrens, like "you must be straight (gay), being gay (straight) is bad! If you will become straight (gay) you will understand the true meanings of love, happiness and universe at all!" and let them decide on their own and when they will want to. Well... I'm not saying that our government is did that law exactly that way (those a**holes never did something right and it will not surprise me if they overdid with restrictions this time), but at least tried to make it clear to you, that all that stuff about "evil russians are forcing homosexuals to hide themselves from public! OMG! They're all SOOO EEEEvil!!!" is bullshit. What about Putin? Well, he is just clown working on public, like most of the presidents nowadays.
P.S. Also he's a crab...
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Love the ballgag. Taking a leaf out of Shiniez' book, I see.
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*snort* This is more mature than 90% of the responses to Putin. I don't know if Putin is putting out pure voter bait or attempting to reverse Russia's ruinous demographics, but thanks for the laugh anyhow. (Love the cutie mark!)
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Real men...ride ponies...
oh god, I hope people don't take that the wrong way...
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Is it bad that I wish he was wearing chaps and heavily moustached?
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It's like the war on drugs then?
No real winner or end to it (sorry, watched The Wire recently and I'm hooked)
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Doing outdoor activities shirtless makes you gay.
K then...
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He's a dictator in sheep's clothing.
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The anti-gay prpaganda law of Russia makes me so sad.. I'm feeling a little anxious living right next to that country
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Right spirit of that law is to ban the sexual deviation propaganda among juveniles. Key-word - juveniles. In Russia it's under 18yo. And FYI, russians is a strong religious people. More than half of russians are orthodox christians. And about 15% are muslim. It is right of the nation to decide from what to protect their children. Americans decided to protect their children from communists, russians - from sexual-propaganda. It is normal. On the other hand, no any restrictions to gay in russia at all. Gay-bars, gay-sites, gay-parties. I prefer, people must be more aware about gay-right situation in Middle Asia and India, where being a gay considerd as a crime. In Saudi Arabia, for instance, gays are executed under Sharia law.
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Personally, I'm gay, and I think communism can be a good thing if anyone does it right, which none have properly so far.
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Socialism. Communism - is a chimera for big societies.
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It's still not good for parents to teach their kids to hate gays. Even just "protecting" them from gay most likely leads to discrimination and hate. "A right" is a weak word. Sure you have a right to think one is disgusting, sick and wrong for being gay, but it doesn't mean it's for good. Hate isn't good.
I am very aware of the situation in the Middle-east, but it would be better, if we start from the less worse countries and not head straight to the biggest fire line.
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Who talking about hate? I do not know anyone, who hated gays. In this meaning russian society is absolutly tolerant. Conversely, when in USSR being gay was considered as a crime, church people was helping gay not to go into prison. It is christian dogmas to help those in need. There where even gay-priests in the USSR. Russians hate, when anyone outside trying to teach them how to live.
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Yeah, you might know more about your own country, but I'll never support a law, that censors something as harmless as LGBT-people. It easily leads to hate.
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You know... I am tolerant about people with different sexual orientation. Basicaly, I even do not care and do not even interesting in any other human intimate life. It is mental taboo for me (and most russians, I assure you) to judje about anyone base on their nature, as nationality, appearance, sex, orientation or skin color. But I'm concerned about LGBT-Femenists as a political movement. Their activists are agressive. Personally I have been insulted by those people. It is not, that every man with consevative opinion is homophobe. Not at all. But just watching only this video making me think about defence of my, my ancestors and my childrens way of life. And that sares me. www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOCD_T…
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As a bisexual, when I saw that picture of him first, I immediately assigned him as "World's sexiest leader." I dunno how that can possibly be bad publicity.
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