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Published: 2015-01-07 21:26:33 +0000 UTC; Views: 42586; Favourites: 1169; Downloads: 429
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……and keep your god damn hands off the French. No one kills them but us!!
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The most laughably depressing thing about this whole affair is that the supposedly offensive and extremely blasphemous being "protested" about wasn't even that fucking offensive! No insinuations that Islam is dangerous or that the Prophet was a murderer or what have you, just a cartoon cover of Mohammed facepalming and complaining that it was hard to be worshipped by extremist morons.
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behold, the tender nerves of the murderous fanatic.
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I'm sure there was more "reason" to the attack then just some disagreeable artwork (as the magazine's offices have been firebombed in the past by other extremist tossers) - frustration with what they perceived to be the West's anti-Islam bent springs to mind - , just twisted and unpalatable to any sane and civil member of society.
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The true reason? Here you have: they draw the prophet with a face. That's the big and infamous blasphemy who motivated the attackers. Yes, twisted and unpalatable to any sane and civil member of society.
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While the world would certainly be much easier to deal with in such a case, I extremely doubt the reasoning was as simple as "GRARGH This magazine I have gone out of my way to view fills me with overzealous rage!"
More likely this was just the cherry on the top of a long list of perceived injustices, like:
- Not being able to integrate into the host country properly
- Being isolated culturally and politically
- Poor socioeconomic situations
- Anger at misrepresentations of the War on Terror as a war on Islam
- All these incoherent furies being exploited and radicalized by self-serving scum who send others to die for their own twisted causes
I certainly don't condone what happened or assign blame to the victims, I just think its counter-productive to reduce what happened to simplistic tones of "They hate our freedom!". We're never going to stamp extremist bastards out if we don't understand how they come into being.
Note: I am being general because I have no expertise on what its like for the Islamic community in France, these are just my observations on what usually causes cowardly acts like these.
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Oh sorry, I though you asked what was the principal reproach those attackers had against the journal, which was the face of the prophet.
About the rest, no need to go in a frenzy and write a whole paragraph. For what I read we have the same opinion.
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Draw a picture of Jesus on a unicycle, See how many death threats you receive.
Spoiler alert: Zero.
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Well, in the more peaceful and pampered parts of the prosperous West certainly: I imagine the Christian militias running across parts of Africa might be less inclined to artistic critique of their faith.
Religion and poverty eh? What a bloody mix....
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You're right. that'll do it...
hell, twenty three people are still publicly burned to death per year as "witches"... Wonder where they got the idea to do that...
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Indeed. I'll say it again: religion and crappy life conditions are a volatile mix.
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The most disgusting thing to see is that the American press, the supposed defenders of Free Speech, are falling all over themselves to NOT mention the killers as Muslims, not mention WHY Charlie Hebdo was targeted, not call them terrorists, and then censor themselves (pixellating the cover of an issue held up by the editor in one photograph so as not to show a potentially offensive image of Mohammed..)
The American left bashes Christianity with gleeful abandon, but walks on eggshells and kowtows whenever Islam is mentioned.
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You don't seem to be looking at very good American press coverage. Try NPR. They've been very clear why this place was targeted and going into the details.
Or watch Fox. They've certainly not been shy about saying this was an Islamist attack.
There's a whole range of news agencies in US. If you're seeing poor coverage by one, find a better choice.
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Well said. Any coward can make fun of a person who died for others and said "love your enemies"... but be warned if you wish to speak against a self proclaimed prophet that had multiple child wives.
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The censoring is to not offend muslims. These weren't muslims that did this. They were terrorists and nothing more.
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Ah, the "No true Scotsman" defense. If they're terrorists, they're not Muslims, even if they shouted Allahu Akbar" and proclaimed "The Prophet has been avenged!"
Nobody censors to not offend members of any other religion, so why to not offend Muslims? Oh, right, because they tend to kill people over cartoons.
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Nobody censors not to offend members of another religion?
I guess you haven't read anything on the rash of Satanist things lately, as happen every christmastime. Or maybe all the times people neglect to mention the fact that a murderer is Christian, even if he said he was killing others in the name of the Christian God?
Whether you're Christian, Muslim, Scientologist, or Satanist, would you not denounce a criminal for saying they are not acting within the 'truth' of your religion?
Terrorists are terrorists. I know it's only natural to try and lump them with whatever they say they're doing, but in all reality they are following their own agenda and not the agenda of their religion in most cases. I can definitively say that this is one of those cases.
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Really Jack, want to say that to the Germans. All kidding aside, great message.
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I liked your Chloe, I liked your drawings, then I liked your personnality, now I just like you
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Thanks for your support, it's a sad day in France.
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May I use this in my public profile, with credits?
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again more proof for me personally that these people who did this
too often still live with a mentality people had over a 1000 years back.
If all you can do is kill someone who is questioning your faith/reasoning/guidelines,
I am of a mind you are the one that's in the wrong.
And I don't care if you're christian, muslim or whatever faith there is out there,
we live in an age where these actions are simply a sign of weakness, of people throwing a tantrem like a child,
because they didn't get what they wanted.
Absolutely despicable.
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ok yes you didn't say it orriginally ... that said ... well put Sir.
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Vive le France. Thoughts and prayers to those affected by this tragedy.
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It's La France, but thanks for your support
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It's an odd world that we all are on where everything can be an insult and where little is understood for what it is.
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Satire is like the mythological hydra -- for each head you cut off, two more will just come back and wreck your shit.
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As an anglo-Canadian who is bilingual in both official languages and also a cartoonist who knows the style of the cartoonists murdered, I say bang on, Phil!
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What I would like to see happen from this tragedy is cartoonists worldwide picking up pens and mocking the f*ck out of islamic extremists, and terrorists in general.
Maybe it would persuade a few of the younger ones that they WON'T be heroes if they blow themselves up in a shopping mall, just violent and stupid.
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I'm Sorry, I respect your views but do you really think "mocking" them will get people to stop? I think that would cause more anger and more hot blooded and uneducated people to act impulsively. What i believe should be done, is people around the world, pick up their pens, and Educate what is right and whats wrong. Mocking people will only cause more anger. Educating them will either show that their ignorant to the truth, or just that they need more guidance.
Peace be With You.
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May you never be targeted by violent idiots for having a different view than mine! Peace be with you too.
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Mock extremists you say?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpVMT1… and www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCV_uV…
No idea why they're called "The Akbar".
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Also it's a reference to "Allahu Akbar!" a ritual prayer in islamic religion. Extremists have been known to shout it loudly.
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Oh. Thank you.
Now I know where George Lucas lifted it from. I know he also pilfered stuff from the Christian bible (Endor is from 1 Samuel 28:7) as well as several other sources.
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Religious texts are brilliant sources for story ideas, especially fantasy. Some of the best authors get their ideas from really old books, and just change them around.
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And then there's some of the really weird old historical accounts. Like the travels of Marco Polo (dragons come up a lot, including one that sounds like some sort of Dromaeosaurid) and the tales history of the Greek historian Herodotus (one entry describes Ramphorhyncus eating figs in the ancient city of Buto).
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Good show ol' bean! MOAR MOCKING! Allah commands it!
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It's important if you die for it. Sad that only shit like this get's serious attention when martyrs are made from the subject at hand.
At least you're putting an educated thought out there that says something, rather than spitting out the already generic phrase every other hack is.
It's about more than free speech sadly.
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The real tragedy of this, is that things like this still happen in 2015...for fuck sake damn. This was really sad and a very vile act. Very powerful phrase you choose, totally perfect for this, I just wish this never happened, and all the victims still were alive and well.
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Only cowards like Breivik makes "war" on those that can not fight back and then either surrender or run when those that can fight comes to give retribution.
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