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……and keep your god damn hands off the French. No one kills them but us!!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures…
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"Hey you! Get your damn hands off her!"
-George McFly
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While people are entitled to their rights to free speech, and violence against innocents can never be tolerated, it must be accepted that people who do this do it to get publicity for doing such a shocking thing. If you stick your arm in the bear's cage what happens next is predictable.
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"Unfortunately, the quote isn’t real -- or at least, it’s not really Voltaire. It comes from a 1906 biography by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, in which it was intended to represent a summary of his thinking on free speech issues. 'I did not mean to imply,' she wrote later, 'that Voltaire used these words verbatim.'"
studentactivism.net/2015/01/08…
Still a worthy sentiment, but might as well be accurate, too.
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"Atheists shoot up Magazine Studio in the name of their prophet, Christopher Hitchens, killing 13."-----Will read no news headline ever!!!
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Honestly, by reading the comments below, I agree that the terrorists shouldn't have killed the guys for using their right of freedom of speech to shit on their beliefs and that they should've just stood their ground.
But, as a Poin Dexter, I will defend the abused. Since the dawn of Abrahamic Religion the Hebrews were always bullied upon, Enslaved by Egyptians, Burned on Plague Ridden Stakes and Hunted like Dogs by Nazis, but ever since the Cold War we've (Americans) been mistreating Middle Easterns, taking them for granted and abandoning them by the end of the war, they got pissed at the states and for the next couple decades started planning and Executing 9/ 11 when it happened instead of blaming the specific group responsible (confirmed in 2004), they blame the Middle East/Arabia and ignore the Jews and Christians Present in the location, they talk shit about Muslims not even trying to study the truth and they've been dicks to them ever since, then invade the place for oil and kidnap and torture them without trial in Guantanamo
You'd think that after a decade of abuse, they'd lose their shit, right?
And as a nerd/geek during childhood, I know how it feels to try to fight back from the bully, but get overpowered and laughed at
This might help my case
m.youtube.com/watch?v=tciBru32…
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I get your point, but don't you think that these extremist islamists (ISIS and the sort) are just looking for excuses to attack and cause fear? They are acting in perversion of their religion. My Muslim friend said that he doesn't consider them fellow Muslims. Did thousands of Muslims protest against the magasine? Not really, most just ignored it and moved on, working, loving their families and communities. The covardly shits who say that they're acting in the name of their religion (which is peaceful in nature, hence the perversion part), just take up arms, stir chaos, and act as they please. The only way to fight back is with more humor, more laughter and more jokes. Some might be less tasteful than others, but that's the nature of free speech.
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You are actually very right
Although, I understand Al Qaeda's Motives I can't seem to comprehend ISIS's
I'd say they're Psychos, if weren't all so well organized killing specific members and not going on a mindless massacre
I'd say they're attacking for their country, then why attack that school?
I ask myself how did they build themselves up so quickly, in only 3 years they've done more (gotten more popular) than Al Qaeda's done in almost 50
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I guess it's just in the nature of war torn countries and their population. People are uneducated and easily susceptible to indoctrination. People are hurt, traumatised and such organisations have a knack for pointing that anger in a direction that suits them. When you add faith to the mix, things get even worse. Their perversion of the Islamic religion strikes right at the heart of those who are looking for a way to vent that anger. It gives them a reason to be, justification for their actions and crimes. Although, the truth is always more complex than it seems...
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Yeah, I just wish the world could accept all cultures, I wish there wasn't any significant greed, prejudice or terrorism in the world
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my version would be more like
"i may or may not agree with what you have to say, but regardless I will argue against you, pofusely"
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If i say right now " Jollyjack you perverted, furry, smut sicko you! Your art makes fun of my beliefs and my faith in Dajbog (big wolf god that has the body of a man)! Foockin stop it!" Does that mean that he is obligated to stop? Does it mean that if I decide that he crossed the line I drew, I have the moral high-ground in killing him because my faith was being offended!? I recognize the fact that to a lot of people, their religion is a way of life, that it means a lot to them. But anime means a lot to me, and yet there is no debates about am i offended when people belittle subjects i idolize. If its a matter of numbers then fuck it all, if its a matter of brute force then fuck it all, if its a matter who will kill whom first over our own subjective views of the way I/WE should live on this little dust particle in this vast universe, where I/WE don't matter in the least, fuck it ALL! Im just sick of those comments that base their opinion on the fact that they were "playing with the lion" that "they played with fire". Not any religion, any politician, any way of life should be a "fire/lion". The value of human life is little as it is. We don't need personal codes belittling a human life based on their personal opinion. One thing that i find dangerous and unwanted is the need to have respect trough force.
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Agreed. If we're all afraid to say something because it might 'offend' someone, then nothing will ever be said. Lots of people use religion, culture, race, gender, and so on to justify bad behaviour, you call their bullshit and they claim you are insulting them.
Its bullshit.
They don't want to get ridiculed for abhorrent acts, whatever those acts may be, then perhaps they shouldn't perform those acts.
As has been said, satirists of all stripes and forms call the bullshit of the rich, the powerful, religion, culture, government, nations, corporations, and everything else. That's their job. There should be no exceptions, otherwise people can get away with bullshit.
Respect other religions? Why? They don't respect your beliefs or lack of them, why should you respect theirs? And what does that even mean? Allow them to have their crazy beliefs? Sure, fine, whatever, we all believe screwy things. But don't ask me to share them or like them.
And as for never ever saying anything that might make them sad? Bah.
They don't like it? Boo hoo. Life's hard. Join the club, everyone is offended every day by something. Some people seem to make it their job too be offended.
Why is this guy any more special than anyone else? They say he was a prophet? I say he was full of shit, and possibly suffering from schizophrenia. He was just a guy, talking about his imaginary friend. No different than the nut on the street corner. They want to think he was a Holy man? that's their affair. But they absolutely DO NOT get to kill other people who disagree. That just makes them scum and shows once more why religion is bullshit.
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Make no mistake, this was not an attack. It was a settling of accounts between the newspaper and people who felt insulted, and who were.
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They could have just staged a protest or wrote a letter or something.
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oh it was an attack alright, this french newspaper comic group has pulled the piss out of nearly EVERY single religion and those ones didn't give two eff's about it......as soon as they pulled the piss out of the Muslim religion they got hit. it seems that the Muslim religion is a no-go for ANYTHING......and yet we can take the piss out of any other religion and not worry about it, what i don't get is that if the rest of the religions are getting the piss take out of then why must the Muslim religion be an exception?
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I do not think like you. I have not seen the writing on the cover, the Holocaust is crap, or Torah is crap. Yet they did with the Koran. I'm not saying they deserved to die. But at some point, you have to reap what have sown. I also accurate, I am not anti-Semitic. I'm not a terrorist. I observe, I give my opinion.
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And yet you give your opinion without feeling the need that people who disagree with you must die.
That is the difference between you and them. I hope. Unless you are scum, like them.
The answer to Free Speech is not violence, it is more Free Speech.
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i respect your opinion but you seemed to have missed the point....the french newspaper people have taken the piss out of every other religion without fear of karma and yet as soon as they showed that picture the place got shot up. why must ONE religion be exempt from this when the rest are fair game? taking the piss out of Christians, fair game...Hinduism? that's fine....Buddhism? sure why not, but the Muslim faith? that's an automatic no-go zone? that's what i don't understand....
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I think, as people together, there are religions that are more sensitive than others. He must learn to keep his distance or how to make a cartoon without hurting people. The fun ends where begins the insult.
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that is true that he must keep some distance, but the Muslim religion? as my previous post stated why must one religion be exempt from this? and their response was rather unjustified as well, shooting up the place when a simple letter to the place that asked them to withdraw the drawing would have sufficed.
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If there is one thing that would not work, it's the mail for the withdrawal of the drawing. They (Charlie) would have taken the mail, laugh and it would finish the same way. Now I invite those same newspapers to do the same drawings with certain religions.
There will be demonstrations of dirty money to redeem himself with some people and TV excuses. We may be all equal before death, but we are not in everyday life.
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and how do you know that if they asked for the drawing to withdrawn and it was would result in them shooting up the place regardless?
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designers have already received written requests of all kinds. my home is an expression. Averis a man worth two.
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We know that some are more sensitive than the other religion. Yet they continued their actions. Comes a time for anyone, where the limit is exceeded. It was to be expected.
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yeah but the Muslim faith tends to go ballistic at ANYONE who even looks at them funny ffs! also id like to add that The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. to them any other religion is fake and they must wipe them out or convert them. and they sure have done a hell of a lot more killing than converting through out history......and its started all over again with ISIS!
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As Catholics in the past and other encores.michelduchaine.com/2014/02/12/…
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im afraid im unable to read that as i don't read/speak the language.
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Other religions have either tried to impose their view is trying to do through the back door. I do not proclaim myself an expert on religions, but I think if we take them all one by one, we find similarities in attitudes towards non-believers and the rest.
Anyway, what's done is done. You have to look further than that, without forgetting one thing. There is the puppet and the puppeteer. We are always in one of two roles.
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its a good thing i don't believe in any god then....
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where are you when we need you?
images.sodahead.com/profiles/0…
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nazi: You and your breed are a infection and my duty its your extinction.
Belarusian: I do not agree with what you have to say, but I´ll defend to the death your right to say it.
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You seem to be having trouble telling the difference between a thought and an act.
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someone said something and acted accordingly ..... another propagandist gives reasons for war while the French govierno funded mercenaries in Syrian and Libyan bomb ..... charlie hebdo provided a theoretical framework to justify such attacks against the population French.
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hmm..
as comic artist you should be proud that great art made by them also called comics.
look at this piece, isn't it amasing? www.lepoint.fr/images/embed/ma…
and expressions on faces in this- magnificient!! capitolcommentary.com/wp-conte…
composition, lineart, plot: such skill- it's godlike diziznewz.files.wordpress.com/…
seriously, i think people should differentiate "freedom of speech" from "harrasing".
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I think you need to differentiate "freedom of speech" from "harrasing".
Merely drawing an image that some people may find offensive isn't harassing said people.
Drawing an image that some people may find offensive and then setting out to ensure it is seen by those people would be harassment.
If you can avoid imagery that you find offensive simply by not purchasing the publication in which it is found then you are in no way being harassed by the creators of that imagery.
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you're right.
and also i think killing someone because of some bad pictures is not the thing you should do. it's overreaction.
but also overreaction is the whole thing about "freedom of speech" "je suis charlie" etc.
you're teasing someone- prepare to be beaten. you're teasing muslims- be prepared to situations when they try to kill you.
btw, in my opinion, all this is hypocrisy- on 25 november 2014 there is 4356 civilians died in Donbass. any "Я Из Донбасс" (I'm from Donbass) or "stop Ukrainian war" was made?
and reporters, real reporters, from all Europe died on that war- no reaction.
but when it comes to muslims..
sorry about my english- it's not my native language. and sorry about politics- i hate when smart people start acting like herd.
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I am sorry, but it´s not an overreaction.
There is a diffrence between reporters dying in a region of war and people planing on killing someone because it is offensive. (Also, Charlie Hebdo is a satire magazin, meening, a lot of really dark humor. But they were not being against religion. They did a lot of comics defending muslems as well as the comics you showed here. But of corse the offensive ones are the only ones that matter aren´t they?) Killing someone is not "overreacting" It is killing someone. And they are making a big deal out of it because it was a terroristic act, against freedom of speech and though that an attac on France (which is NOT in war.) What you are doing is defending serial-mass-murder. That is disgusting. So fucking disgusting. What ever reason someone may have (and a few pictures are NOT a reason) murder is murder and disgusting.
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You are disgusting
You prefer to defend the death of few who acted knowing of the consequences than the deaths of thousands of innocents forced into that situation
If anything you should enlist into the army and go overseas, go see what these people are suffering daily, look at the Muslims and tell me if they are happy, constantly being ridiculed for the act of some or the Ukrainians, who go to war to protect their homes, families and people, are they happy
we are to people discussing on the computer, we have good education and we ignore it, I suggest you have respect for this species and you have respect for your life, because at some point the coin will flip and you'll be on the bottom half, you will be ridiculed for your beliefs and you will be what you now hate
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Wait. WHAT?
Forced into what? Reading satire? Noone is forced to read satire. And satire jokes about everyone. To say that they shouldn't mock Mohammed, Jesus, Jahwe, or any other god is against the freedom of speech.
Charlie Hebdo was a satire Magazin. It is left-winged and a lot of times defended minoritys. If you were attacing the french party National Front, for comparing (and not in a joking manner, like the satire magazine) a black woman to a monkey, I would agree with you to one hundret and nitey percent. Because that is racism and harrassment. What Charlie Hebdo did was not. It wasn't even a racist joke. It was a tasteless joke. But not racist.
We are not talking about the Ukraine war, racism or islamophobia. We are talking about an terroristic act against the freedom of press and speech, which is completely unrelated to the war of the IS. Also it is highly islamophobic, to say, that Muslems would support that act. There have been Muslems all over europe protesting against it (and the following act in denmark).
Don't you dare telling me that Charlie Hebdo was islamphobic and that they deserved to die, or that their deaths don't matter having wars in the back of your mind.
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So you do take things out of context.
Honestly, I aint even bothering arguing with you us obviously don't know what you're talking about
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Please explain the context you are seeing. I am confused. I don't wanna fight. Let's have a civil discussion please. I really can't sand fights.
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did i protect murderers? quotation please.
really, i think you not read my comment, or did it with your eyes closed- so many illogical facts and accusations to my words taken out of context.
you are disgusting.
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Ah, sorry, I probably mixed things up because of other conversations I had.
It's just that people that are arguing "but Charlie Habdo was islamophobic" tend to also say "so they had it coming and I think it was justified" which is protceting murderers.
They after all are a satire magazin that a lot of times defended minoritys, just that those illustrations weren't even special and didn't get protesters, so you probably never heard of them.
I am really sorry for mixing things up.
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"Smart people acting like a herd"?
Just out of curiosity: how involved do you think Russia has been in events in Ukraine over the past year?
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Umm... You gonna answer that?
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1- official support for Yanukovich.
2- annexation of Crimea. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_…
3- volunteers in Donbass. civilians, but mainly- former military officers.
4- humanitarian aid.
5- support for refugees.
that's facts.
and you always should keep in mind that Ukraine is not only have borders with Russia, but along with Belarus have same slavyanic roots.
i can't clearly see what Putin is up to, but if you strip facts out of shell, you'll see that only annexation of Crimea is action directly touching Ukraine.
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