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Published: 2017-02-27 18:49:31 +0000 UTC; Views: 4146; Favourites: 48; Downloads: 30
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New Map, in this time we have a look on the most relevant right wing populism Parties in EuropeRelated content
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Mais le truc avec le FN c'est qu'il y'a plein d'euro-sceptiques voudrons jamais d'eux parce qu'ils sont en désaccord avec 80% de leur programme. (genre moi)
Si on "casse" le FN c'est parce qu'il ne sortira jamais de quoi que ce soit (et il n'a pas l'air contre l'OTAN (il n'en a jamais parlé), pour moi sortir de cette horreur c'est essentiel)
C'est également un excellent outil pour que les journalistes assimilent la sortie de l'UE au fascisme. (je ne dis pas que le FN est fasciste (c'est un autre débat), je dis qu'il joue le rôle du père fouettard dans les grands médias)
Cela dit j'espère que Mélenchon ou Le-Pen passera en 2017 tout de même ne serait-ce que pour montrer que ces partis là n'avaient pas les épaules assez larges pour appliquer leur programme.
C'est un peu comme Orban ou Tsipras, ils ne feront rien de sensationnel.
(par contre on est d'accord pour dire que Macron c'est mort.)
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De toute façon je pense que Macron sera élu face à l'épouvantail FN comme d'habitude, mais si c'est le cas, lui non plus ne pourra sûrement pas gouverner, n'ayant pas de parti pour le soutenir
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Oui, le fameux "i fo fer baraj"
Apres, ptet que les sondages se gourrent, c't année ils ont fait que ça... c:
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PiS (Poland) is very populist party for sure but does not really fit here. First of all they are not so far-right and nationalistic as most of other here. Secondly they are not euroskeptics, eg. they strongly stress EU economic integration aspects. PiS had step out (together with UK's Conservatives) form EPP and formed their own group in EUP. What is most exceptional is fact that unlike eg. French FN, they are strongly anti-Russian.
The organization that would fit much better on this map for Poland is ONR (Obóz Narodowo Radykalny) or NOP (Narodowe Odrodzenie Polski). They are both traditionally nationalistic and populist anti-European parties, yet they have never had parliamentary representation.
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Amazing ! Could you do the same with the radical communist movements or the facist povements in Europe ?
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You're welcome ^^ i hope i could give y'a more ideas
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Why do right populist parties operating in non-EU states even care of EU? I mean, shouldn't they just don't worry about EU affairs? If ever they do, which are their main criticism? (I mean that's interesting to know, because it's like what's going wrong seen from the outside ^^')
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Well EU is a true Octopus, it has influence in the life of many countries outside EU, if it doesn't go through the big door (out right joining), it goes through the little (regional treaties, municipal participation, normalist pression…). The main criticism is generally 'no control over immigration' and 'influence of bad european technocracy over education, agriculture and economy'. And of course, I imagine, there's a somewhat concern on the fate of the other europeans…
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you are free to disagree with the way other countries act (not everything that is happening is good to me anymore clearly), but if those action have negative influence on your country, well that's not our problem, that's your problem, I mean you chose to be out of the EU, that's how non-allied countries behave with each other, each of the side makes its own interests, we make EU countries interests (or at least we should, but that's far from how things work actually) and your government has the sovereignty to make your own interests. That's why I think it makes no sense that non-EU countries parties talk about what EU should do before even being inside of it. After all no team plays for the others...nothing personal but that's how things work...
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So basically you are saying 'It's not of your business, so you need to not care'? EU and a part of the Swiss elite is consistently trying to make it interfere, so of course parties in Switzerland will care about EU, if we don't care it's a whole part of the policy debate that goes away. I'm not of SVP/UDC, i'm no right populist, of course those parties are horrible, here is not the point, the point is that the context make them the only alternative. I quite agree in their anti-EU politics, other non right (like POP) or non populist (PLR, liberal Greens) are agreeing with them on that too. Also, if i'm Swiss, am condemned to not have the right to care for other countries? EU is bad for us and for them.
You're thinking that we didn't join EU cause we are selfish? No, we had direct democracy that stopped our leaders from making a stupid decision in their deceived impression of grandeur that EU was bringing.
This is not about Switzerland, Norway, the Eastern Slavs vs EU, this is the people of Europe vs its pupetted americanised leaders. Only smaller unions and less integrative alliances are good solution for Europe, cause so, no problem of mutual destructive interests.
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What I meant before is exactly that if the EU does something that Swiss people don't agree with in Switzerland, than you guys have the right to oppose through democratic forms or through your government, but Swiss people can't decide on things that happens in EU country, that's EU citizens duty (especially when you decided to stay out of this when demanded). Again, I'm not defending this EU, but surely I'm defending the separation of sovereignty between an organisation and a country that legitimately decided to stay out of it...and that clearly applies to every other non-EU country.
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Well that is simple common sense of course… but that doesn't stop any of those country to express a pro-dissolution sentiment or to be part of a bigger anti-european movement as much as it doesn't stop Europeanist pro-extension of the union from having the right to want that those legitimately out states 'de gré ou de force' join
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that's logic to be anti-european, if that mean oppose to Switzentrance (ok I suck at inventing those words XD), but pro-dissolution...if you are not even in, that's like wasting time discussing of something that you are not in the position to decide, pointless, with a Godot-esque touch...
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So it is pointless for you to discuss the evil of Bank secrecy, tax heaven and """factice nation""" since you are not at all in the position to decide?
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Reformulation : So I need to not care about EU existing and you shouldn't care about Switzerland existing?
Also for Tax heaven and Bank secrecy i can play this game too : "If we want to have a low tax rate and have a system that permit citizens to privately do what they want with their money, it's our business, if your companies flee and hide capitals it's your business to stop them from doing it".
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it depends under which perspective, I don't have the right to say which laws Switzerland should have, but if this laws make damages to Italy, than it is logical for me to discuss wether Italy (or EU) should take mesures against this damage or not, as well as if an EU law or decision affects Switzerland, you can discuss if Switzerland should defend itself or not, of course we can use diplomacy first, and so governments can discuss on common problems, but then if their meetings don't reach the result that people expected, the citizens (or their government representing them) can decide for example to make more radical choices and accept consequences.
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