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I watched Blackfish a while ago, a couple of months or so, and when I had seen it, I was
not filled with wrath or anger about how Seaworld apparently treated their orcas...
instead I said "That is only one side of the story. There are always two stories to be told."
So I didn't buy that Seaworld was bad and vice verse. There is always another story you
have to listen to. Seaworld has now responded to Blackfish, and gives their comments and
their version to the entire story. Like I said. There is always two sides of a story.
I do not support, nor am I against Orca's in captivity. I do think they and other marine
mammal's should be in the wild... but we cannot return those who has been born in
captivity back into the ocean. I do not think it is good for the animals in the long run...
I read through Seaworlds statement. I am sure I will get lots of comments about how wrong
I am, but I can only say like I said before. There IS TWO SIDES of the story. Both have rights.
Both have wrongs.
To read Seaworlds statement, go here: seaworld.com/en/truth/truth-ab…
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Anyways, I figured I would draw my orcas, Sissy, Lukikina and Pineki (who is in captivity)
and show their happy faces. They are fine where they are 
Kelsey is swimming somewhere else xD I might have to draw him too later
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I agree with you. When I watched blackfish I had mixed feelings and felt that the whales belonged in the wild, but when a trainer had an interview, he mentioned a lot of things that made me change my mind. Putting orcas that are bred in captivity into the wild would be really hard. Plus, why would you want to put orcas that are bred in captivity, used to perfect water & temprature and perfect food into the wild? And I also agree with the trainer when he said "Blackfish is a movie designed to make you feel, not think. You can't put those killer whales into the ocean because it makes you feel better when you go to sleep at night. AND, you have to do your research. You can't watch a 90 minute movie on netflix and the next day go on facebook and say I'm against whales in captivity".
So ... I agree with you about the rest too! 
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I am not for nor against either, i am more like don't capture new ones but keep the older captured ones in captifity, or something, its hard to explain.
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they are all beautiful!
I didn't know someone was saying that Seaworld treats their Orcas bad. hmmm.. I will go read the link you provided 
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Thank you very much ^^
Oh, there is lots of talk about it
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You're welcome
Oh well, i dont watch the news or anything like that. I know I'm bad..
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Love this drawing!
I just have to give my 2 cents though:
You have to understand there is a huge difference between your rpg orca's and orca's in reality. In our rpg world we can give them huge tanks where they can swim and even give them access to the ocean or something. So, of course they are fine then.
Yes, there are two sides of a story, but you can't ignore the terrible things some staff of Seaworld has done to their animals. I mean, why would you lock up an orca in pitchdark? Why do all of the orca's in seaworld has wounds etc? Why do they tell lies? Why do they pair up orca's from different areas? Their statement doesn't really do anything then saying Blackfish is propaganda and "This is untrue". There are many evidences that supports Blackfish message.
The facts can't be ignored. I do think however that not the whole Seaworld should be blamed for it. I also believe majority of the people who take care of the animals like the trainers want the best for them (however, I still can't forget the view of those terrible trainers lined up to pick out a traumatized dolphin whoes family got slaughtered in Japan to make money with in the documentory the Cove), but when it all comes down to is money. No matter how much they love the animals, it's commercial. They earn money with wild animals in small basins. It's just business.
Just like horse racing has a terrible dark side, many people love their horses, but most of them just wanna earn money because it's business.
I do think however the animals in captivity can be rehabilitate to survive in the wild. Just like they do with the animals from breeding programms. It's not like they wanna pop them into the ocean and let them die, it's a programm.
I have nothing against rpg worlds involving wild animals, but in reality it's just bad.
In my opinion orca's are just too big and too complex to keep in a basin, they can't be domesticated. They are wild. And blackfish proved that in my opinion.
My 2 cents became a bit long.
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SeaWorld doesn't lock their orcas up in the dark. I think you need to re-watch the film. The film talks about Tilikums history and as such, they go back to Tilikums first home in captivity, which was a sea-pen in a park called Sealand of the Pacific. A place in which they used bad training techniques and negative reinforcement to train their animals - the complete opposite of how SeaWorld works. Here is where they would lock up the orcas at night in case someone cut open their seapen during the night.
All orcas, everywhere (in the wild) have 'wounds' and rake marks. It's their natural hierarchy system. You just don't often see it from photos and things in the wild because the lighting is not good or they aren't detailed enough, but believe me when I say a lot of orcas have marks, with the lower ranking animals always getting their fair share, while the dominant animals might have hardly any.
Look at Kasatka at SeaWorld. She has beautiful skin. Not a single mark on her.
loveforruka.deviantart.com/art…
She isn't the only one who has great skin.
In this photo you can see Shouka and Orkid at the front have great skin too while Ulises, a low ranking male, has rakes.
www.orcahome.de/images/shoukao…
The best places to see the marks on wild orcas, is on the ID catalogues.
www.pnor.org/en/zenphoto/photo…
www.descna.com/index.php/knowl…
You can see almost all the animals have some form of marks on them.
Or just check out this handy image I created instead:
www.flickr.com/photos/44385477…
And if you want to see something truly heartbreaking, check out New Zealands population of wild orca. A lot of them have been mutilated!
www.orcaresearch.org/wp-conten…
And regarding releasing captive cetaceans, it has been proven time and time again it is not in the animals best interest. It's only in the best interest of the humans involved, because while the animals released starve to death, the humans get a nice gooey feeling on the inside thinking they've done something awesome.
rosmarus.com/Releases/Rel_1.ht…
"The release of captive cetaceans back to the wild is an issue that is discussed more and more often. This discussion has intensified after the movie "Free Willy" appeared. Often, the release of captive cetaceans is portrayed as a straightforward procedure that is a logical solution for the controversy surrounding the keeping of cetaceans in captivity.
....In this context, it is a good idea to look at what has been documented about earlier releases. In a list compiled by Ken Balcomb for the Center of Whale Research (Balcomb, 1995) in Friday Harbor, 58 bottlenose dolphins release events are mentioned and 20 killer whale release events. Of those so-called releases, only 12 cases involved the active release of bottlenose dolphins that had been in captivity for a year or longer. There was only one such case for killer whale and for that case no documentation is available and no follow-up was performed.
....Conclusions To date, only one release has been both successful and properly documented (Wells et al, 1998) and this project involved animals that had been in captivity for only a relatively short time (about 2 years).
...With this in mind, it is obvious that the release of cetaceans should still be considered an experiment. To date there is no evidence that releasing long-term captive cetaceans is benefiting the animals involved. Most of the animals that might be available for release are not members of an endangered species nor do they come from depleted stocks. Therefore, releasing captive cetaceans does not have any conservation value. At best, such releases can be seen as experiments, as a learning process."
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No, Seaworld didn't do that, but they did place orca's together wich attacked each other. In the ocean, they can swim away, in a tank, not so much. Plus they tell lies to make it look as if a orca is better of in captivity,
Also, just because orca's have wounds and marks in the wild, doesn't make it right in captivity. Like I said, in the wild they have more space to defend themselves and something gruesome like this could be avoided. i.huffpost.com/gen/796298/thum… No, I am not saying it's not possible in the wild, but this happened during a performance.... A no no for me.
Great skin, but the male still has that hanging dorsal fin. A SIGN that orca's in captivity don't get what they need. Plus, they don't live as long as wild ones.
I do support captivity for hurt animals or whatever hold them from returning to the wild, however breeding them is wrong. And catching wild ones triple as wrong.
If it is indeed not possible to return an animal to the wild, then of course captivity might be a solution, but I don't think they are happy in a small tank. I just think it's wrong. Females might be better to take care off in tanks, because they are smaller, but I still think it's not an animal to be used for entertainment. They are wild, and need to stay wild. They are too complex to live in a bathtub.
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"place orca's together wich attacked each other. In the ocean, they can swim away, in a tank, not so much."
Well maybe so, but as we can see, it doesn't help them because while they can swim away, they actually can't escape because the other whales can chase them just as easily. That is why they also have bad (if not worse) rake marks then those in captivity. If the animals could truly escape, they would have no rake marks. But they can't escape. They can't leave their pod.
"Like I said, in the wild they have more space to defend themselves and something gruesome like this could be avoided"
Yes that was bad, but an orca didn't do that. He caught his chin on a gate.
Bad things happen to wild orca, if not more commonly and more seriously then captivity.
Just think of poor Luna in the wild, who got chopped up into little pieces (literally. In pieces) thanks to a boat. And every other orca mutilated from boats who now have no dorsal fins or flippers, have gigantic chunks of flesh cut from their body that will never heal. Must be so painful. (Nakai's wound has basically completely healed now.)
That poor orca L-112 who likely died from an explosion.
CA189 'Hope' stranded and was found to have the highest levels of PCB's and DDT ever found in a large marine mammal. Her body was so toxic it had to be treated as toxic waste.
Bad and unnatural things happen in the wild too, don't forget that.
"Plus, they don't live as long as wild ones."
Orcas have and continue to live longer in captivity then their wild counterparts.
Lolita has currently outlived all but one of her family members in L pod and she is the 3rd oldest orca remaining in the entire southern resident population of 80 individuals.
Corky was the oldest of 6 calves, only 2 of which are still alive and there is almost a 20 year age difference between her and them.
Ulises, Tilikum and Bingo are all in their 30's meaning they've reached their expected lifespan.
However of course I know the history is not good. It never is when you bring a new species in captivity. Clearly it's getting better though, no one can deny that.
Though I tend to agree with you that Orcas are probably too large to be in captivity. I have no problem with dolphins in captivity given they seem to thrive in human care. Orcas on the other hand have such a different social structure then dolphins and are so much larger. For these two reasons I can understand someone not wanting them in captivity. But pretty much every other reason I can argue with.
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Yeah, when I heard about their social structure and the bonds they have with familymembers, I just felt so bad for them. Especially when they said orca's from different area's have another "language". I have no idea if this is proven, but I don't see a reason why it would be false. It does sound pretty logical.
But still, those pictures you showed me with the badly orca's and their dorsal fins, that was mainly caused by boats, wich is again humans to blame. The marks doesn't sound to me as a huge problem, because other mammals have those as well when correcting an individual with a lower rank. The injuries caused by boats makes me cringe...
So on that part I agree, bad things indeed occur in the wild, I won't deny that, but that is basically saying an antilope would be better off as well in a small space, just because he can't be eaten by a lion.
I partly agree about dolphins, because that view of the trainers lined up to pick out a traumatized dolphin who just witnessed his family slaughtered in Japan (the cove) still makes me very upset. I think they are complex, but I do think orca's are more complex and dolphins seem to be more happy to be trained then orca's. Also, don't hear that much incidents about them. They are smaller so it's also easier to give them proper space. I still would rather meet them in the wild than in captivity.
I just hope orca's in captivity will be better off in the future, with more space etc.
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"Especially when they said orca's from different area's have another "language". I have no idea if this is proven, but I don't see a reason why it would be false. "
Yes this has been well documented. Orcas in captivity now have developed their own language though, which would be a mix of a whole different type of cultures, developed together. It would barely resemble any wild language.
All of the SeaWorld group would have very similar language now because of the transfers in the last 50 years. They mainly adapt and follow the matriarchs vocals.
At San Diego that's Kasatka. At Florida that's Katina, who has lived with Kasatka before and had whales come to her pod from Kasatkas pod, and in Texas is Kasatka's daughter Takara who grew up with Kasatka and then lived a couple of years with Katina (And a couple of Katina's children live in Texas too). So you could imagine how they have now developed their own 'SeaWorld' language.
The orcas in France and Japan would have a pretty different language now compared to the US whales, though they might have a couple of similar calls because the original animals who started the group all originated from Iceland like Kasatka and Katina. But it all morphs over time when new languages are introduced and they adopt different calls.
" but that is basically saying an antilope would be better off as well in a small space, just because he can't be eaten by a lion"
An interesting argument given that these animals are already in captivity and thrive. I say yes it is a significant improvement for the antelope who will no longer live in fear it's entire life only to be chased and eaten by the lion.
This isn't a good comparison though.
How about that baby orca found alone about 2 weeks back. He was estimated to be a week old, no sign of his family, severely emaciated which means he had NOT been with his family for days (He wouldn't be starving if he had been with them. He was still drinking milk) before anyone found him. Researchers couldn't identify him or know who his pod was or where the nearest pod was. So what did the researchers do? They left him! He went missing for a couple of days. Out of sight, out of mind, right? They thought this was an accomplishment.
Then they found him again almost a week later, STILL alone and doing significantly worse compared to the week before to the point he was beyond help and they shot him in the head.
The reason this animal declined was because he most likely starved to death, something humans could have helped him with.
Now there are two trains of thought here:
1. He is better off dead.
2. He is better off in captivity where he could be nursed back to health and put with others of his own species and live out the rest of his life getting constant love, attention, exercise, mental stimulation, play, top quality food and vet care.
I don't understand the people who choose option 1 and I never will. Clearly this whale didn't live it's life expectancy in the wild! Yet you don't hear people say "THE WILD KILLS!! IF HE WASN'T IN THE WILD HE WOULD STILL BE ALIVE AND LIVE TO HIS LIFE EXPECTANCY" like they would be screaming if the opposite had happened.
" I still would rather meet them in the wild than in captivity.
I've gone on a couple of Dolphin Cruises. It was lovely until my last experience.
We found this pod of dolphins but they kept swimming away from the boat. The captain of the boat who had been doing this for years, said over the microphone, "It doesn't look like they want to be around us today", and continued to FOLLOW them so we (their paying customers) could all get our photos on the boat.
You tell me how this is not exploiting those wild dolphins?
If they're in the wild, shouldn't we leave them ALONE? Let them live their life WITHOUT being constantly hassled by people PAYING MONEY to see them and get their picture??
Research has proven that wild dolphins change their behavior negatively when Dolphin-watching boats are around or when people are in the water with them. Dolphins spent 66.5% less time feeding and 44.2% less time socialising, spent four times more milling, and were never observed to rest in the presence of dolphin-watching boats.
www.molecularecology.flinders.…
www.ecosmagazine.com/?paper=EC…
These are actually the same dolphins I watched in my cruise.
Of course these animals are exploited! This is a large scale tourist industry. Why can't we leave the ones that are in the wild alone and just see the ones already in captivity who are used to people? Apparently paying to see the animals in captivity is worse to some people then paying to see them in the wild and disturbing them in their natural habitat. Weird.
" I just hope orca's in captivity will be better off in the future, with more space etc."
I hope so too!
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I don't like it when tourist attractions disturb wild animals, including dolphins etc. When that guy said the dolphins don't want to be around, it was wrong of him to chase them down. I've seen many trip organisations who also mentions it's likely to not see any dolphins or whales. Their space need to be respected, so my view on capitivity and bothering and stressing them out in the wild is kinda simular. There are several cases and dolphin groups, whales who shown their own curiousity in the people around them, and if they come up to you to check out, it's the only "meeting" I approve of. I would never agree to chase one if it's clearly telling he/she doesn't wanna get close.
I would also never chose option number 1. I also respect options as to let nature be nature, including death like a lion and an antilope. But when an animal is struggling and it can be saved, I will root for that. However, concidering my view to orca's in captivity, I think a rehabilitation programm is the best option. I still feel sorry for Morgan, I hate the fact she is just sold to an entertainment park instead of trying to get her back. And no, I don't mean popping her back in the water, but a carefully programm. I know it's possible, if done correctly.
However, I still think the comparison of the antilope being "safe" in a small cage away from the lion is quite good. Sure, animals in the wild don't have a perfect life, far from it, because they have to find food, fight and may suffer. It's humans nature to sometimes feel sorry for them, because we have such a different life. It's nature though, as sad as it can be. However, captivity may seem pleasent for them, happy-go-lucky, no predators, but we would never be able to give what they need. Like the space for orca's, their close families and I doubt it every orca can speak the same language. It's a big chance it caused the wounds and fights and bullying between them, including the lack of space. So, I guess it just depends on what we assume is better.
We both care for the animals, and wouldn't like to see them harmed, even though we disagree on certain points.
One thing we do agree though is improvement is always welcome.
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Completely agree with you ! 
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Yes, there are two sides to every story, both having "rights" and "wrongs". This is definitely not a black and white story, but a big grey, disgusting smudge...years of greed, ignorance and abuse of power by humans.
For me there's a line and that is the meaningless deaths of human beings and orcas. That is what eventually makes me disapprove of the existence of SeaWorld. One of their main sins in my eyes is that they did not care enough about the safety of the trainers to invest some money into finding means to provide a safer environment for their employees who were day after day risking their lives every time they were in contact with the whales.
We humans like to forget that wild animals held in captivity are still WILD animals. Only because they are behind bars or in concrete pools, they don't transform into cuddly pets. Orcas are predators. They won't become meek lambs because humans feed them from their hands and make them perform tricks. What a twisted way of thinking!
I agree that captive orcas cannot be released to the wild. Of course I'm not an expert, I think that only because of how their society works.
In my opinion, they should stop breeding orcas in captivity, give them the chance to live a decent life for their years that is still left and never capture an orca in the future. But I'm afraid that this never will happen because of the money-oriented nature of these corporations.
Interesting to note that whenever an animal(dog etc.) attacks and kills a human, they are usually shot down or put to sleep. This would never happen with orcas. The difference is? Oh yeah, they are just too valuable, real bags of gold. Double standard at its best.
(I'm not rooting for orca killings but who can promise that they won't kill again out of their misery which humans put them into?)
Btw, I also understand that the goal of Blackfish was to shock the audience to bring awareness to this issue. And it was a one-sided thing since SeaWorld refused to speak at that time. According to the creators of Blackfish... So yeah...this is a big, messy pile of poop...caused by humans. And THAT is what noone can deny.
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"For me there's a line and that is the meaningless deaths of human beings and orcas. That is what eventually makes me disapprove of the existence of SeaWorld."
2 orcas in a history of 213 individuals held over a 50 year time period have killed people.
Please relate this to the deaths in other zoological facilities that hold animals;
8 zoo keepers have died from Large Cat attacks since just last year!
23 human deaths are listed in the United States alone since 1990. That's basically 1 death a year in the United States.
bigcatrescue.org/big-cat-attac…
A death a year for zookeepers working with elephants too.
There have been 175 human deaths from Elephants, you can see an extensive list here
www.elephant.se/elephant_manki…
In 2007 a zookeeper died after being mauled by a giant anteater!
In 2007 a zookeeper died from a musk ox.
In 2012 a zookeeper mauled to death by a pack of wolves.
Keeping in mind this isn't including all the serious ATTACKS from other animals at zoos that didn't result in death, which include zebras, kangaroos, gorillas, monkeys, bears, pandas, reindeer, crocodile, hippo... I mean really, the list goes on.
"Interesting to note that whenever an animal(dog etc.) attacks and kills a human, they are usually shot down or put to sleep. This would never happen with orcas. The difference is? "
You can't compare a pet to a wild animal held at a zoo. Not just orcas, but zoo's do not put down tigers and elephants that have killed trainers either! (Sometimes they do if they believe they can save the human by doing this. But most of the time the animal is kept alive)
So yeah, this doesn't happen just because Orcas are 'too valuable' and no other zoological facility in their right mind would allow this to happen... The complete opposite is true. If it can be avoided, the animal is NOT killed because we still understand they are WILD animals and not pets. (Just look at that link of the elephants I posted above. Rarely was the elephant killed after it killed a trainer at a zoo)
No double standards here. Just a lack of understanding of how Zoo's manage their animals.
"And it was a one-sided thing since SeaWorld refused to speak at that time. According to the creators of Blackfish"
SeaWorld didn't say 'no' immediately. They were in talks with the creator for a while and waited to see what would happen. When SeaWorld realized the film was full of activists who had been trying to SUE seaworld for years because of their killer whales (Sending seaworld to court to try and say SeaWorlds whales should be considered human and as a result are 'slaves' - Yes, those SAME people are the ones in the film!) When they realized that most of the ex trainers in the film were trainers from 20+ years ago who only worked at SeaWorld for a couple of years (Some having been fired) and had since turned animal activist, yeah, they declined to be a part of it because they could already see what a mess of a film it was going to be.
The film creator HERSELF stated she understood why SeaWorld refused because there was 'no way SeaWorld could look good in the film'.
The film is not one sided because seaworld didn't comment. It's one sided because that's what they WANTED.
Where were all the other 'experts' who would side with SeaWorld? Where were the others in the field of zoology, conservation, or veterinary science that had an opposing view?
Oh wait, they did manage to interview ONE ex trainer who was SUPPORTING seaworld, who was Tilikums trainer before and AFTER his move to SeaWorld and who worked directly with Tilikum for 10 years.
You might not remember him in the film though: He only got 1 minute of screentime and they removed everything of worth he said in his interview that supported SeaWorld.
While Samantha Berg, who worked at SeaWorld 20 years ago and only worked with orcas for 1.5 years and who never worked with Tilikum directly,who is an animal rights activist and member of PETA, got most of the screentime in the film. Funny, huh?
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(Gosh, there are so many things I would like to discuss with you... as soon as I have enough time to write you a reply, I will do it. University kills all my freetime... :/ Can I ask what is your profession? Is it related to cetaceans?)
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Nah, just passionate I guess lol. I am actually seriously considering persuing this at University. I would love to study orcas in the wild, I study them so much already and I believe the current 'experts' let their feelings about captivity get in the way of the truth of those in the wild, such as how old the animals aree actually living in the wild. I am very confident the 'averages'are blown out of proportion.
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Really beautiful picture, btw, I've always admired you talent and effort you put into your art.
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I'm for release to sea pen for those born in captivity...
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Yes, I can totally agree on that.
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Myself is a 100% anti and I've had more than a few people saying that you cannot just dump the whales in the water. Which is of course not what a release is about... The shows could also be less showy and more educational. The old Kolmården show was for example more educational than the current one :/
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Funny enough I just watched Blackfish again this last weekend. I cried about halfway through when they talked about separating the calfs from their moms. I don't know I just don't agree with tearing apart what little pod life they have just because they can't work with the babies. In my opinion they should never had breed Tillicum in the first place after he showed such aggression with trainers. I get that it wasn't Seaworlds fault for his aggression but they never really seemed to understand the whole background that came with him.
It also really bothered me all the incorrect facts they have their employes spew day after day, like how over half of all orca's dorsal fins fall over or how they only live up to 25-35 years. When I went to Seaworld last year I heard them repeat those facts over and over to the crowds and when ever someone would say something that challenged those facts they would just say them again and refuse to give any other facts.
I don't think it was the trainers or any of the handlers faults, they were in tears during the documentary talking about how after everything they did for the whales they still had no say about what happened to them. Just another thing for corporate America to make money off of and its the whales who suffer the most sadly.
Beautiful picture, your Orcas are lovely!
Keep up the great work
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ahh could go on for hours about this, it is such a complicated subject but I love all your orca drawings
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I agree, there are always two sides to a story.
I do not believe Tilikum should be freed; he hasn't lived in the wild for a very long time, and he could not survive after being in such deplorable conditions. I do believe that the treatment of these animals should stop, and they should not be taken from the wild. The only reasons I think captivity is reasonable are
-injury. If the animal can't survive, we should at least try to help.
-Conservation. If it's unsafe to live in the wild, zoos or natural habitats might keep a species from vanishing.
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I recently watched Black Fish and man was I mad >n> But as you commented, there are always two sides of a story and now I'm off to read that statement Seaworld post XD Beautiful drawing by the way. Lovely orcas ya have there <3
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I love your picture, and I agree, there are two sides to every story. Captive orcas who were born in captivity can't be returned. But the ones who weren't born there can actually be returned, they're rehabilitating a few right now, and they're trying to free a few more (I believe, at least I know of two). However, 'They are fine where they are' , is something I do not agree with. While I respect your opinion 100% I don't feel where they are is a good place for captive orcas to be. Seaworld orcas live in small unnatural tanks where they bash thir heads on concrete and grind their teeth down to nubs on rocks. They need room to swim, to be free enough to not go crazy.
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Your Orcas sure do look happy here, and such beautifully drawn too.
I have always said the same as you did, there are two sides to every story just as there are two sides of a coin....
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Thank you very much, Eternal ^^ Glad you like my orca family.
Yes. There is rights and wrongs from both sides, and therefor I am standing in the middle, not taking any sides.
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I just like to remind myself that most of the captive animals that we keep probably shouldn't be kept, but the traditions usually started well before we realized that we shouldn't even try it. Therefore as long as no more are removed (unjustly) from the wild, there should be nothing wrong with continuing with a (as much as possible) captive bred genetic strain, maybe introducing crippled/injured animals from the wild to keep the gene pool fairly diverse.
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I agree. I do not agree on capturing wild orcas today. I do not support that. Wild orcas belongs in the wild.
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I think the main exception to that is injured individuals or functionally crippled ones. Even with that, if they can be rehabilitated to the point where they would have a fighting chance in the wild they should be rehabbed and released. But an orca who say... is missing half their tail fluke, or a pectoral fin would never be able to survive in the wild and would be a good candidate for captivity (not show-work however) and increasing the captive gene pool.
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I do find it questionable about the ability to release captive-born orcas however... there are many other creatures with similar social groups that can be released after being born in captivity.
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