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Vampire things (nope, I'm not the fan of vampires)
Here on this painting the vampire creation happens purely by rage and magical energy WITHOUT any Rice-style horny interaction with corpses.
Mostly in "women's literature", vampires are the fanged prince charmings of lonely housewives' fantasies, shown as lustful and romantic creatures longing for a relationship, usually with a mortal person. The popularity of this stuff made the word vampire associated with the stereotype of the always horny Mr. Soppiness characters from those books and vampires rarely considered as wicked evil creatures.
Legacy of Kain is a fine exception from this with a swordfighter warrior in the leading role, not Lustat. Creating a vampire is pure cruelty and torment.
Just because Anne Rice or Stephanie Meyer etc women's fiction-writer are popular, it does not means ALL vampires act and behave like the characters do in their stories.
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Comments: 188
Theraigne In reply to ??? [2011-12-16 19:37:29 +0000 UTC]
Se que est drΓ΄le lΓ c'est que dans Soul Reaver 1 Raziel disert Kain est dieu au jour-d'huit, et lΓ tu l'Γ peint d'une maniΓ¨re c'on dirai qu'il est un dieu, pour Γͺtre plus prΓ©cise il me fait pansΓ© au dieux grec Deus .
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Herisheft [2011-12-07 11:36:34 +0000 UTC]
So agree. This is a really cruel universe, and here either you eat them or they eat you, there is no place for beeing some sparkly, pink, faerie pussy. Though i liked the romantic motive in Dracula, it was perverse at some point.
I've read somewhere that Kain implemented parts of his soul in his "sons", and i guess that would be the best way to do it, as you show it. Actually i also wonder from where some people get ideas about them beeing a result as a consequence of Kain's relationship with somebody and old fashioned impregnation, which is of course impossible. Sometimes i wonder if at least half of fanbase has ever played something more than Soul Reaver
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-07 17:43:50 +0000 UTC]
Thank you Yes, Nosgoth is not the world for bored housewives' fantasies.
I think this romantic and sexual fantasizing is coming from the books of Anne Rice, J.R.Ward and similar authors who're making their stuff for romantic women. Personally, that's why I don't like vampires at all because the rest of them are built up on the Anne Rice vampire stereotypes as if it was a necessity for a vampire to spend his unlife with seeking eternal love. Legacy of Kain was my only positive experience of vampires as it's finally a story without any romances and caring, just pure wickedness and evil plotting, Kain rather reminded me to a warrior character from nordic myths than a vampire in it's classic meaning. It was disappointing to see fans rather like fantasizing about Legacy of Kain and it's characters as if it was just another soppy romance by Anne Rice with her all-time horny vampires. I think it's partly Crystal's fault too as they wanted the Soul Reaver games being popular at young girls while Dennis Dyack's original Legacy of Kain was made for adult men (and it's visible the majority of the fanbase plays SR only, they never played the Blood Omen line, or simply don't like it)
I've seen some of those ridiculous self-inserted "one true queen" mary-sue or Umah pairings too, guess it's the influence of those soppy women's literature vampire books, those fangirls who love idolizing Kain in a romance with some mary sue and the lieutenants are their kids, they completely ignore the major features of Nosgothian vampires such as they're sterile, they rather feel hatred than love, and as for Kain, the last thing an anti-social and power mad person like him want is to settle down with a woman and living in a happy marriage and having kids.
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-07 22:12:00 +0000 UTC]
But it's perfect to make fun of, it's so serious that it just begs for it... sometimes
Personally i can easly swallow Ann Rice since her creatures are still vampires as we know them from myths and stories, they don't sparkle like fairies, don't breed like rabbits, don't produce halfbreeds and they get burned or killed by the sun, that's really fine with me to the point of beeing mushy. Seeking love is not that bad if you have something constructive to do afterwards, and don't make a "familily" life and fluffyness a priority. Having a harem? why not, sounds devious and dominant enough, even old pervert Vorry had one, and half neked sexy vampiress slaves, look nice on the bottom of the throne Thinking Frazetta now.
I don't actually understand why SR was suppose to be more girly, becouse of Raz beeing all dark-gothic sexy with wings... for 5 seconds? Going this way i say Blood Omen2 was more girly since you could angle the camera really good on Kain's squishy butt, not to mention him running half naked for 1/4 of the game with his masterfull abs all outside.( I had alot of screens of that ). Thinking of it Raz was running anked but there was notting much to see anymore, and looking at his butt it's kinda necrofilic.
I suppose that the situation with Umah could be possible, but not in lovey-dovey milky way, just plain old "if you know your place, i won't chop your head of and don't send it to Varador as a vase". Besides of that i think she was placed in the game simply for the tits.
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-07 23:00:43 +0000 UTC]
I don't like romance by default, so women's literature and Anne Rice vampires have no chance to like them, watched the film of Interview with the vampire, it rather bored me, and don't like vampires since the rest of them are the creations of romantic minds. I'm okays with relationships when they don't became the main storyline, simply just mentioned in a story but not getting a significant part in the plot.
I found SR way less evil as compared to the Blood Omens, Defiance was even soft. It's not Raziel's appearance that makes him a girl stuff, but his naivity and sensitiveness, in an evil world he's rather a victim, but not a villainous character. Raziel has a huge fanbase, but people who don't find him a lovable innocent guy in his twenties are not too many.
Hehe it always made me giggling to see Raziel drawn as kissing with a fangirl, technically how he'd be able to kiss anyone without lips and jaw, and also who'd like to be kissed by a zombie?
I don't see any points about a relationship with Umah, I can imagine her as the No1 whore of Vorry, but Kain only loves himself and wants nobody's companion, that wouldn't be him to feel the need of someone's presence around. I rather got the impression of Umah was a pure annoyance to him and he felt humiliated for being commanded around by Vorador or Umah. I think Umah's role was only to teach the controls and movements to newbie gamers.
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-08 00:43:05 +0000 UTC]
That's what i am saying, love is good until it's not a m in subject of the story. Unfortunetlly in most cases it is or spoils everything in the end, take Star Wars for example (Ep 1,2 and3)
Everybody would be naive and foolish after what he had to deal with, though as for a drowned zombie he really lacks on cold blood at times. Besides he is arrogant and "i know better" type, just like his "daddy" and we all know how difficult they are, he is also uninformed about many things, and i guess that's also a cosmetic thing from game developers so more people could easier identify with him. Not forgetting the blindness from vengefulnes, that can make people act stupid or irresponsible. I really don't know how he can be considered loveable or innocent with such looks, even as a vampire he didn't look like a nice guy either, and as for a living one... he was scarier then his dead incarnations putted together.
Actually if i would see a jawless zombie without skin and pants, i would need to change mine for starters. Kissing would be qualified somewhere in the end after hell freezes...maby
Well he did say "You could have been my queen" or something like that, though i suppose it could be just visciousness towards Vorry and to her just to beat her down to the end, or maby they wnated him to be dramatic for the last time to show last drop of humanity in him dissapearing like on a hot pan. Umah was annoyance becouse she was a broad and they always get in trouble even if they are formidable warriors but not the main characters. Actually the teacher could be anybody, but busty bitch in thongs somehow always brings the attention of male part, and without a fem this might be considred gay
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-08 09:21:02 +0000 UTC]
Yes, that's the problem with vampire stories, they're always about love and melodrama I hate them for, Legacy of Kain was the only one vampire story so far that was free of this content, and just can't stand when that stuff I hate about vampires is forced onto it.
So true about Star Wars, the classic trilogy was fine, but the add-on series were all about the relationship between Anakin and Padme, plus that jar-jar dude deserves to be shot
I don't consider Kain as Raziel's "father" in any meaning, he simply revived a dead sarafan, that makes no kind of bound between them. Raziel was arrogant as human, I think it was his human self who was a wicked and evil person, he was fanatical and killed on command without having any doubts about it's rightfulness. He was more believe for a warrior than his wraith self. I noticed human Raziel was portrayed as the "baddie" and zombie Raziel the good one the gamers should sympathize with, seeing the gamers reactions on Raziel gives the image they find him the innocent "blue angel", they're always feeling sorry for Raziel and sympathizing with him. Personally I find the original Kain, Moebius, Mortanius, even the Elder much more fascinating characters than Raziel.
Hehe sure Raziel didn't looked nice as vampire, he reminded me to Michael Jackson
Hmm that queen-line in BO2 felt like a major goof, it was so off and out of character I found it a stupid mistake like the mis-translated lines in movies resulting something ridiculous. The only thing I liked about that scene at the Wharves is Kain simply killed his ally, he shows no mercy to anyone who overthrows him can it be an ally or enemy, and no begging can change his decision. It makes Kain look villainous as heroes are always being moved by beggings and showing mercy even to their enemies, but Kain does the opposite.
Umah is a leftover character from Chakan and Sirens and became a trainer in BO2. I don't understand why fans always have an irresistible need for pairings, if a game has the lack of fems, it's considered gay, but if it has females, they're considered the lovers of the main characters. Can't win
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-08 14:26:10 +0000 UTC]
Ah, well i think we just have to live with that, in times when monsters are turned into plush toys.
I call him "father" becouse creator sounds a bit Frankenstein to me. A bond is a bond, he gaved something from himself after all to create them, though true they were all asses to begin with and he made them badasses. Well, soul Reaver is Raziel's adventure after all, no matter how evil is the chara there is always a way to sympathize with it, specially when it's confussed. Though i think that this good and bad thing camed out becouse of death of Janos, who is the real "positive" character, and becouse we don't sympathize with Sarafans and vampire hunters in this game, right? Otherwise would be the opposite, specially that each side has it's rights and motives.
Raz looked more like an emo to me, and MJ should be doing as a diffrent kind of demon itself
Don't we just love Kain for beeing that evil and reasonable? and he is trustworthy with keeping his word, many good guys have problem with that Though he did pulled reaver from Raz's chest.
Yeah, you can't win with fans, i don't like most of the fandom but i also understand that it is a form of appreciation, even if there is a sue i still know that the person who creates it likes the game to the point of wanting to think of it even after putting down the game console. I also know people who "grew out" from this, so there is a chance for some percent of actual fangirls.
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-08 18:25:40 +0000 UTC]
I call him a creator, and giving anything of himself wasn't something he actually wanted to do, but creating just goes with it. Maybe that's why he passed the vampire creating duty to Vorador But he didn't gave a crap about his critters, and let them die.
Hehe the lieutenants were evil, but stupid, they were mindless fanaticals as human, and served their own enemies in their unlife.
Yes, showing the sarafan completely bad and Raziel the hero guided the gamers what to feel and think about the characters, but it feels black and white, easier to sympathize with a character as it's so visible in this series, Raziel is the top-most favourite to the majority of the fans.
Kain is a way stronger character, he's always holding onto his own rightfulness and determination. While Raziel followed his emotions and was easy to move around, Kain can't be influenced by feelings, he kills enemies and friends whenever they're getting into his way.
I hardly can think of Mr Green as Kain, the two characters differ way too much from each other, but saving Raziel from entering the Reaver had it's own reason, it wasn't forged with purifying spirit yet. Well Defiance flopped great to me when Mr Green went selfless and fatherly, the original Kain wouldn't bothered with the fate of Raziel, he'd sent him back into the sword with a satisfied evil grin
I have a different thinking from fangirls, I can get awestruck of good stories too, but I stay with the content between the main title and the ending credits even if it was fine if the story had more chapters. Fangirls "appreciation" is usually content I wish I had never seen, got the worst experiences related to the Lord of the Rings, I like Tolkien's world, but fangirls on the loose made me getting fed up with it, and got some hard moments with Legacy of Kain too. Rather trying to avoid seeing things I don't want to see.
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-09 13:06:48 +0000 UTC]
Maby he gaved unintentionally. I actually think that Kain and his vampires are tainted with something comming from hyldens. After all he did drink from buildier, seer and other ones, and they are not weaklings like humans. Even his "horn crown" or whatever this might be called, resembles kinda hylden headfans, not to mention those horrible muations on his "creations". there's something in it.
Well, fanatsim dosen't mean stupidity in all cases, i don't think he would want to raise a band of idiots as his lieutenants, or else the vampire hunters and other wackos would have an easy task.
It's a sympathy for the devil, after all Raz didn't had it easy, he suffered and was raised as some sort of abomination blah blah, and he did wake up angry - no wonder here. We like to sympathize with him becosue he was like treated kinda unfair from certain point of view.
Kain is older for starters, and he knows some of the consequences of dealing with certain personas, like Moe for example. Raz is a rat in labyrinth, very hatefull and lusty for vengence, he does not think very well. Besides, without that we woul;dn't have a game
For me it was like sign of admiration for Raz attemts to get out from the chessboard, why not help the struggling turtle to get back on his legs and see what happens next, he's not stupid after all, he knew that Raz has important role in all this and by helping him he might altered his own, instead of going like a sheep to it's slaughter. Notting more funny than making the fate and Moe to look stupid.
IFangirls are scary but fater dealing with them i can understand their point of view, often they are girls with alot opf problems and need for affection, and alot of complexes and they prefer happy and cheerfull thinking. I also really didn't wanted myself to start and hate Lok or other titles, becouse of their ridiculous fantasies, instead of that i find it rather stupidly amusing and always wonder what more they manage to think of and make me go "faceplm" and i always hope that at least part of them will sooner or later abbandon such ideas. though of course i would prefer more serious fans but i can't forbid anybody to show affection in it's own way.
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-09 15:57:15 +0000 UTC]
I have a different theory of the order of events and don't see the SR line as the consequence of the BO2 events, it's rather a coincidence Mr Green looks similar to the hylden, the physical distortion is coming from the corruption the guardians were poisoned with, and it twisted out the land and the creatures on it, I think Mr Green would ended up the same mutated mass like the lieutenants without Janos's heart as an uncorrupted organ.
Okays, I meant stupid as the lieutenants were professionals as warriors, but they only followed orders as if they were born to serve and not to think on their own, they didn't meant any threatening to the power and prestige of their actual lords, first Moebius, then Kain later.
I think Kain was even younger than Raziel when he was murdered, and was less experienced as a warrior, but he was still more of a villainous character than Raziel who was rather a typical good hero forced to do bad things by the circumstances and not because he's villainous by nature.
I like Moebius, even if he was used by the Elder, he was a clever guy, I liked the most when he plotted a genocidal war against vampires and used William the Just and Kain to get his goal.
Fangirls are really scary, and I don't understand them for ruining the favourite games/movie experiences of others to compensate their personal problems. Sometimes rabid obsession and weirdo fantasies make me facepalming too, sometimes it's just pure annoying to see. Anyhow, fangirls are everywhere, there's nothing to do with that, only can avoid them.
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-12 11:28:06 +0000 UTC]
Hyldens+corruption Cooincidence or not, it's all just "academic", since most likely it was just a designer's flip over the character. though i never understood why in SR when the game takes action Kain didn't change a bit from the coinematic sequence and the vmapire gang got mutated all over the place. Propably one of those glitches nobody pays attention to during the game creation process
But thanks to that trhere is a whole field to theorize.
MAby he was younger but his vampiric years count also, he's an old fart. Who knows, many assholes served as knights, samurais and crusaders just becouse it was fun
Unfortunetlly iw as never able to run BO, my compy was way "to new" and BO was way "to old" for it, i tried with varied emulators, so i know that only from descriptions on Lok encyclopedias
Fangirls unfortunetlly don't see it this way, and propably think the same of peple who have a diffrent point of view on their fav characters. So it's kinda equality here. As an old troll(retired one) and Encyclopedia Dramatica enthusiast (before it was taken down) i really "love" fangirls and know how they work, but even if i understand them dosen't mean that i care, they give me fun on diffrent level than really well written/drawed fanfic. MAn that sounded mean
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-12 12:02:32 +0000 UTC]
Hmm the lack of logic in Mr Green didn't mutated further on bothers me less than the shock of Crystal changed the original Kain charater for that Mr Green Mutant Yoda which is unacceptable for me as Kain. It's like replacing Conan with Gandalf and trying to convince me the two characters are the same person.
A lot of people are not looking for logic connections, I found the answer "Kain got older" dumbass on replacing his character for something different, it's simply a different design and character by a different team, also the "he can live without a heart because he's the Scion" is another story flop.
Yes, the sarafan order is the same as the crusaders, fanaticals and can't see any further than the ideology whacked into their minds.
Maybe my guide can help, I had the same problem, BO1 didn't worked on a newer pc but succeeded with making it run without DOSbox or processor retarders [link]
Sure fangirls don't understand people like me, they find me evil, I find them scary, as our brains work different we won't ever understand each other. I rather share the thinking of menfolk (not the fanboys) and can't understand the irresissible need for pairings of girl-minds (still the worst I saw was the tug-of-war over Sonic the hedgehog or the tender moments by candlelight with the Predator )
Hmm ED is still active if I know it right, but I think it's much more fun to those who're into fanfictions, fancharacters, roleplays and similar stuff and their slang, it rather made me facepalming to see fangirls paying an overrated importance to some "oc" or "rp" and can flare up a stupid flame war over it.
Hehe I know I'm mean
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-12 15:49:28 +0000 UTC]
Actually he had right to muate but not neccesarly into a lizard guy, though at least he still has buttocks from which i would want to have a hat or a pillow . Check out Vorry, he always looked like yoda on growth sprout so there is something into those visual changes. I also can totally agree with you that BO&BO2 Kain's visuals are the effect of purification, but still in BO2 he was drinking the hylden blood, so even purified this might still effect him and alter him somehow later on.
Well, from what i read they had real problems with m aking any connection between the games since the team change and that they had some issues with storywriter can't remember her name), so it's kinda pulled together with many glitches, but in my opinion free thinkers like some fans have relaly good ideas as explenations for those things. Myself i like all parts of LoK with their mistakes, glitches, flops and bugs, each was special in a way.
I guess that if one of us would be a psychologist or psychiatrist then the answer to this problem would be easy. fangirls and boys are like from since forever, i believe that not one or two medieval girls/nuns had their own fictions about jesus. though a good side was that they couldn't write.
ED is no more unfortunetlly, and good LJ communities like DAdisasters started to become really faggy so it's not as funny as it used to be. Though i am to old to be a troll so i am just "facepalming" it to myself now and laugh at it. Hey! rants and flamewars about rp's was always the best part about this whole business. Internet iz teh seriouz buzinez.I can't reacall how many times i cried from laughter, though right now i can't find any good wars so i just laugh at fanfics. the best ones are about aliens (xenomorphs) falling inlove with humans.
You are mean and very good, like mean people in such way, and thanks for the tutorial, i'll try it out when i get back home oh and really great timeline graphics, you did just what i was looking for since i was getting lost in written timelines and couldn't really play again since my compy hates everything below SR2, so i didn't remember what was going on there.
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-14 14:21:04 +0000 UTC]
Haha crocodile-leather hat I always found Crystal's excuses for kicking out the original Kain very weak, SR seems to me a standalone game with different characters that was tied to BO1 only later, and it's still leaking. Sure no games and stories are perfect, but for me the SR-line was too much of a drastic change after the Blood Omens, I wouldn't have any problem with it if it was an independent series, or at least Crystal kept the original Kain. When I checked up the original version of SR, I got the impression Amy Hennig's team wasn't even intended to make a real sequel to Blood Omen, simply made their own game with own characters and story, and released under Blood Omen's secondary title.
Vorador looked like a lizard, but there's Janos who's the oldest of vampires but he didn't changed a tiny bit throughout the eras. Also Mr Green's person was so different from Kain I thought the critter was Vorador throughout the half of SR2 (that was my first SR)
Guess Kain consumed life energy, skills and power with drinking the blood of various creatures (I liked when he drank from spiders ) but don't think it'd affected his appearance, only could get poisoned by drinking bad blood.
I don't know what would a psychologist say on fangirlism, but in my opinion they're too old to behave like that and being obsessed with a roleplay or fancharacter or an imagined romance (I was 8 when I and my sister played the stories of popular tv film characters, and had imaginary characters, but grown out of it) , whatever complexes they have, hiding from reality and being stuck in Imaginary Land is not a solution.
Guess in the middle-ages it wasn't too healthy to share personal fantasies about Jesus or a known living person as it brought a serious punishment.
Maybe ED is down, but dA has some funny troll groups Maybe the recent rp-wars are out of our interests, that's why there are less funny ones. I got a glimpse into an rp character war by a girl I didn't even knew, and honestly I have no idea what she wanted from me, just flooded me with a wall of complains about her rp-friends "abusing her rp-character" I knew some of the transformers fans can go mad, but didn't knew the depth of madness. And I'm not a transformers fan, so she complained at the wrong place
Haha as for the aliens having an affair with humans idea, I already laughed at the Alien4 film, giving human feelings to inhuman creatures is ridiculous whenever it's a fanfiction or an official content.
Okays, the BO1 tutorial should work, may it leaves the cutscenes playing in weirdo colours, but at least the game will run. I hardly can play games released before 2000 too, unless they have fix patches like the classic TR series.
I'm glad if the timeline is helpful, most people are stuck with that official timeline released with the PS version of SR2, but it's not valid anymore as it covers the story of the SR-s only, and Defiance was released a few years later, and it interfered the events of the past so kicked up the SR2-attachment timeline. Most fans are stuck to that SR2 timeline and also the BO2 intro can be confusing, but rearranging each games in chronological order of events the story makes sense and has an end. I'm a visual person too, it was much easier to put together the events in a drawn form than in written.
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-16 13:31:07 +0000 UTC]
Well, i do believe they wanted it to look good and fresh and gather new fans by it. Unfortunetlly for old geezers, like usual. It's at least good that they did anything than notting after all to continue that story, it could be better propably but it's not bad either
Well, Janos is "natural born" vampire if we can put it in that way, and Vorry'ol'boy was a human, so as Kain and all the others. It might be the side effect of turning ordinary mortal into immortal or something of this nature, the contact with something comming from the older races, a hazardous thing. That's how muatgens and radiation work
Well, there are still 80 year old fangirls of Clark Gable out there. It's not a matter of age i suppose. It's just how it is. I don't approve of what they are doing but i also don't find myself in position to dictate somebody's fantasy, unless i am the creator and somebody rapes my creation. True i find fangirlism amusing, at least that i can dig out from it and don't spoil things for myself. I am a fangirl of Kain's ass
Ohhh, we don't know what lies deep in Watican's archives Who knows, maby some witches were burned for that
hehehe!
DA troll groups are not as funny as those of LJ becosue there they allowed themselfs on full speed ride without a risk of beeing banned and closed. Unfortunetlly after changing the managments, the groups becamed picky and most of the rants were declined for some reason, and it becamed boring. Besides there is no real fun in ranting or finding new materials for trolling when ED is dead, becouse my fav group was connected with it and they were writing great articles Ah well, old good times.
Trensformers fans creep me out, but they are great "facepalm" materail. Unfortunetlly two of my very good friends catched a bug, and well my contacts were deeply shrinked becouse they tried to drag me in and it was hard to talk about anything else anymore.
Hehehe! Actually Jeunet made a joke with Alien 4 and made it totally fanserviced, i love and know his films well enough to see that he made it so serious that it is totally unserious
I manage to run some but actually not the ones i wish to play, it hurts me that i can't run Thief at all, and i tried everything so as Phantasmagoria, it worked under Dosbox some time ago, but it dosen't anymore, eh. Man i totally forgot that i downloaded it ^^
Well, i knew when SR2 takes place but becouse of thsoe time changes and all i got completely lost and didn't know in which direction Raziel was traveling, i actually thought that he travels back and forward for all game, and like i said i couldnt play it again to veryfy and observe it closely this time. Such timeline is just what i was looking for but all what iw as always finding was a calendarium.
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-16 14:42:37 +0000 UTC]
I don't like at all Crystal's drastic tearing free from the original story and characters, what they did was creating a damn different game series that hardly can pass as a sequel to Blood Omen. I delt a disappointment when I first played a SR game, already knew the Blood Omens and had my expectations about a Legacy of Kain game, the Raziel series didn't even got close to it.
Sure they made their own games more successful than the Blood Omens, but I think it's because Raziel was made to be easily loveable for all genders and ages while Kain had a narrow audience as Sillicon didn't even intended to get teenagers and girls the target audience for Blood Omen.
I think Crystal only wanted to make a Darth Vader-esque villain with Mr Green, and to ensure the gamers will hate the creature, it had to look even more hideous than Raziel. Sillicon's Kain was an anti-hero, neither a baddie nor a good person, his original figure wouldn't worked as a must-be-hated opponent for Raziel. Whatever was their excuse for changing the character, I damn dislike Crystal for killing off the character I liked for their own creature. Hehe after seeing what Kain got replaced with, it wasn't half as shocking to see Crystal's emo whimp version for Lara Croft (they always surprise me they still can make their new Tomb Raider games worse than the previous ones)
A story-related explanation of the devolution is the corruption that poisoned Nosgoth, it made it's land dying and the creatures on it rotting and turning more and more hideous. But that process had to be reverted, that's what the time-travels were for, and as Kain as the last member of the corrupted Circle was alive, the world stayed corrupted, so he needed to get purified and the land was able to heal too, but that brings up the logic consequence if corruption manifested on the physique, then purification should do so.
As for fangirls, I know wearing a war against them would only degrade oneself to their own level, I just wish they had better toys for gratifying fantasies than popular characters other people know and like too, but as it's not possible, I try to keep the distance, they and I might like the same game, but not playing in the same team I can't help, but they always remind me to Annie Wilkes from Stephen King's Misery
Haha it always makes me laugh hard when fangirls claim they have the right to do whatever they want with an official character, but on the other hand they hit the roof with their ears steaming when someone else does the same with their own characters
That's absolutely true about transformer fangirls, they hardly can talk about anything else. I had a friend too who got dragged into this transformer obsession, and it got harder and harder to talk to her.
I didn't knew Alien4 was made for a joke, but it was obviously a pure fanservice and cliche-fest.
Same here about the timelines, when the events are just listed it's not giving a clear image or it even shatters and don't fit when it's put into a visual form. I also like sci-fi over fantasy and seeking logic in stuff like time-travel and it's consequences unlike in fantasy where anything can happen without the necessity of logic.
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-19 01:30:28 +0000 UTC]
Well, it dosen't have to necessarly be the matter of sympathy, BO might have not very good advertisment but people still liked it, and SR made a slide over the playable title. I saw that doned many times to Heroes of Might and MAgic for example, like for me and many other people this gamed ended at 3rd release, it just used the good title. Though myself i firstly played SR, SR2, Defiance and then the Omen2, becouse BO and BO2 was impossible to get in Poland until they released it as a bonus for Game magazine, and doenloading it from the nets was difficult as well.So my judgement was distorted by that order, though i perfectlly know what you mean.
About raziel i liked the motive behind him, the vampire wraith, something like next phase after death of a vampire, he was exceptional i know, but it could kinda happen to anybody even to Mr. Green whom i liked for beeing a creep... with hot buttocks. actually i think it might happen to any vampire who's soul wasn't torn away.
Well, you see that's the problem with time travels. now my head hurts from thinking. but it's good once in a while to meet an itelligent person to discuss
Annie wilkes was a hardcore fangirl hehehehe! amkes me wanna draw a joke about it now, but i don't have time
Yeah, try and tell a fangirl "youre doing it WRONG" mueahhehehe! I actually wonder if somebody already made a cross over with twilight...hopefully not, becouse this is where my patience would end
I wonder what kind of problems with herself has that Stephanie MEyer.
Technofetishists those TF fangirls are
Well, if you know films of Jeunet then you capture that joke, most of the people don't get it and treat that as absolutelly serious thing, i was like that msyelf until i watched some of his productions and then i captured the joke. Though it's as serious as "Child's Play IV: The bride of Chucky" just more subtle and artistic, and lest be honest how far it could go anyways after second part?. He likes that taste of specific, disturbing cliche in his movies.If you didn't watched "The city of the lost children" then i deeply reccomend that one to lick the taste.
Welcome to the club Not long time ago i was explaining some girl that vampirism in classical aspect can be easly explained in scientific way, sci-fi way of course. Not to emntion of course that very abse of vampirism is erythropoietic protoporphyria
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-19 15:29:30 +0000 UTC]
Hehe so the good old rule still works, gamers who met the SR games for first like Raziel and Mr Green over the Blood Omen line, but people like me who met the Blood Omens for first find the SR-line an add-on storyline. SR fans also find Mr Green the "highest form" of Kain while that character is an imposteur for me.
I collected the series years after the release of Defiance (didn't even heard of them earlier) met BO2 for first and felt it a must to get the first Blood Omen too and it was a great experience despite of it's oldie graphics, but playing SR2 as my first SR was completely the opposite experience, it wasn't that "Legacy of Kain" I expected, rather a different story, different world and different characters, even if it had a small chance to get liked, Mr Green's character cut that short.
Sure time-travel is the stuff that keeps the interest of people, but it'll always remain a fictional theory. One thing is sure a person's life experiences, decisions and actions forming their personality, interfering one's past life even with a simple thing can result a different personality. I liked in Ray Bradbury's Time Machine the idea of travelling back to the dinosaurs era and accidentally killing a bug can result a different turn in history.
Hahaha tell a fangirl she's wrong, and can expect an explosion of drama and flame war Actually even if the fangirls weren't intended to make a twilight crossover, these "deadly in love with a mary sue" or "his true queen" or even the getting pregnant from a vampire issues really really remind me to the twilight-type love stories. As for Stephanie Meyer, it surprised me to learn she's over 30, by her thinking and maturity I thought she's a teenager like that boy who wrote Eragon at 16 or something.
I watched some of the Chucky films when I was a kid, but don't remember which ones. Just checked the guy on IMDB, didn't knew that horrible Amelie was his work too.
That's fine Many girls love to see vampirism from an idolized romantic perspective coming from women's literature, but I rather like to see it from a scientific point of view. I think the same that vampirism is origins from a real disease the folklore superstitions twisted into Dracula-type vampirism during centuries and the cliches of sleeping in coffins, garlic and stakes shown up.
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-21 11:19:32 +0000 UTC]
Even though i played SR first i prefer BO2 for the game climate, and SR for it's puzzle-arcade, since i have deep sentiment for those kind of titles. Comapring those two really is like having an apple and orange. By just removing a few annoying details whole combined story works just fine. It's also funny how some people can't really separate the puzzle arcade element from the story itself Some time ago a guy send me a comic script about last razielim descendants, full of mistakes becosue apparently guy was one of those people who only played SR. Not to mention that the order of events were dictated by the game arcade needs, it was really ahrd to explain that most likely Dumah would be first in line of killings since he was the strongest, and that there were surely more ways to get to the vampires hideouts then just those which we had in the game
No way of thinking outside the box, ah well.
with all the time mess which they did and will made if there will be a continuation, actual Kain McGreen and Raziel are a history mistakes repairing events so the future as they know it, will never come to existance... or even come but in diffrent shape and form. They most likely perish in the end. Like for me the hyldens could come back I have a theory of Elder god beeing one of the hylden experiments, maby even a prototype of Mass.
Like i said once, i deeply believe that they may have harems but love has notting or little to do with it. There is always a harem somewhere or at least a bunch of nicely looking slaves to pose and look nicely around the throne. Almost the same.
I thought that too, but you know in many cases girls just stop evolving in age of 15 and they ass stupid untill they reach 50 or even 60. Unfortunetlly one of my very good friends is like that and i already ahve red forehead from doing facepalms, it's impossible to reform. Or maby Meyer was clever enough to hit just in the fanservice spot
If there was a girl killer doll, then there is a part when they started to make fun of it, not to mention the Chucky V, which was a total parody of itself. Yeah, he did Amelie but it's not his typical creation, and not the very good one too, he experimented with something new with poor effect. He is more a semi postnuclear/steampunkish/industrial/surreal fairy tales guy with drop of black comedy and disturbance. You really need to like it to eat it
IT all merges nicely though many girls don't ask questions about things and don't actually pay attention to "logics and proportion". Porfiria wears all signs of vampirism, allergy to sun and allicylin (garlic), anemia and toth gums moving back so they look like longer, red nails and some other things. all is there
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-22 18:55:08 +0000 UTC]
Sure BO2 has really moody environments, and I'm usually beating a game without bothering more with it or with it's characters once it's over, but Kain was the first character I found impressive and he became an inspiration for art.
As for the SR games, I had the impression Amy Hennig tried hard to make something like Core's Tomb Raider games, with using the same puzzles and acrobatics, sometimes even the environments were similar (like the egyptian and mexican style temples in SR2) I played all the classic Tomb Raiders when I got to the SR games, I had the feeling "hey I played this before" several times with SR.
I don't think the puzzles are the part of the SR storyline, it rather feels like the story is hardly moving forward, what we need to know about the story is told in the cutscenes and the rest of the game is about solving puzzles to forge the Reaver in elements.
The backstory of the series works for me too as a whole piece, so it is fine, it's rather the details and the main characters that makes me consider the Blood Omens and the SR line as standalone series.
True Raziel and Mr Green belonged to an artificial timeline that shouldn't be happened (Raziel himself was a paradox too, by logic he shouldn't exist) but if there could be a new game, it's tather the money-money-money that's writing the storyline, and not the logic. I already felt a strong fanservicing with Defiance with all the flood of selfless actions, martyrism and let's save the world thing. Also that cancelled game made me facepalming as it was a sequel to Defiance and a prequel to SR1, guess it was all for money as Raziel is more a likeable and marketable dude than Kain and was needed back to stage, even if the whole story made no sense. Maybe a lot of fans needs no logic story anyways, seeing their fave characters on screen is enough, that epic fail WoW-style latest Tomb Raider was a proof Eidos/Enix couldn't sell it to TR fans, but they released optional skin textures of Mr Orc and Raziel, and sold a fail game to Legacy of Kain fans.
I think the hylden belong to the original timeline of the Blood Omen games, after Kain killed William and created a paradox, it altered the time and there were no hylden after he doomed the Pillars, not the hylden, nor their invasion were mentioned in the SR games, but when the events of Defiance fixed the time in BO1, the hylden got through right when the Pillars were doomed.
That's interesting about the Elder, never thought of him as an experiment of the hylden, but it can be possible. It's not cleared where he's origins from, but seems like he was living in symbiosis with the land like the Mass too. The Elder always reminded me to Cthulhu or the eternal evil entity from Stephen King's It
I can imagine Vorador sitting on a throne surrounded by women, that's really fitting him to keep a harem, but the same thing would be out of character for Kain. I can't imagine him impotent, but dealing with his sexual life is like giving a major importance to how he visited the toilet over his story of achieving power.
That's scary when girls stop growing up in their teens and end up living in Imaginary Land and claiming themselves a vampire or an elf in their twenties, but adult women in their middle-ages still obsessed with actors or fictional characters is even worse, seen only Twilight fans so far who were over 40 and got themselves tattooed all-over with Twilight or made their home look like a huge Twilight temple. Maybe Meyer's writing is reflecting the daydreams of hopelessly romantic girls and lonely housewives still believing in Prince Charming.
Amelie was too much of a romantic stuff for me to like it a tiny bit.
I don't remember which Chucky film I watched, it was one of the older films wih no female toy in it, but it wasn't much scary, but also wasn't that good to make me watch more Chucky.
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-22 20:17:20 +0000 UTC]
A very big inspiration so it seems What are you doing with all those artworks? keeping them in thecase or hang somewhere?
I can't really tell, i never played Tomb raider becosue i never liked the design of Lara, so it wasn't that much of a temptation. Right now as they redesigned her to that ugly broad Angelina the more i don't wanna watch. With that SR was quite new to me, and even that glimpse of story which is there intrigued me enough to play the other parts of the series, and i got dragged in. Truth is that to make a success you ahve to give people what they want or at least part of it, games are quite expensive in developing process and it's still a business. Nobody wins with that. IF you start making things for the niche fans then you won't stand on the market for to long, so it's either on the car or under the car. Sad but true, and since most of the fans don't care about the deeper logics, it dosen't bother if the product is successfull.
Well, considering the really background story of ancient vampires, hyldens must be in it. I got the idea about the elder during a bath when i looked at my toes sticking out of the foam . Elder could be a prototype of Mass, but since he was sentient he was not good for that purpose and they wnated to dispose him, to bad he knew how to hide in Spectral realm. From there he disguised himself as ancients deity and made them to get rid of the only cratures that could destroy him. Soon he becamed a parasite of the land, blah blah he caused all the trouble, the end
How does that sound in big shortcut?
Yah, there is something Cthulish about him, but he is so tiny compared to the Great Old One. I guess thsoe are tentacles which scare people
Most likely, but it look better if that was a woman who serves him a chalice of blood than a young boy. I am not talking about anything beeing a majority, just a side detail, like reading a book or changing clothes, i mean harem in a way of decoration like a painting on the wall or statue in the corner, it's there but nobody pays real attention to it. PErsonally i really like to think about surroundings and details to make things more reliable, from the carpets to all thsoe small behavioral things like uncouscious reflexes during some activities, that's why i always get in trouble with characters and their surroundings ^^ to much questioning and thinking
Who knows really, some of those cases should be treated for fixation or maniacal schizophrenia It's sad. Well, it's deffinetly better than making a suicide.
It's one of those films stupid and brainless enough, when you just need to look at something without thinking I like old horrors becosue of that, Nightmare on elm street is a pure winner with this cathegory, i just turn it on and let my brain to flow away for a while, i even fall asleep in the middle
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-25 23:11:52 +0000 UTC]
Sure I don't see anti-heroes too often, I found Kain's character more powerful and impressive than the good characters from most epic stories.
I hanged some of my works in my home, fantasy art is not appreciated at all where I live so it brings me no profit, I'm painting purely for my own pleasure.(it's not just art that's not appreciated here, a lot of people can't deal with movies like Lord of the Rings or Star Wars unless they can link them to reality or history)
The classic Tomb Raider games are really fine, they're standalone episodes and also simple stories inspired by Indiana Jones. The main character was originally a male but switched for a female during the process. The irony is it wasn't the fans who defiled Lara in first place, it was Core Design who defiled it's own character for fanservicing, and they made Lara into a sex idol and made those CGI wallpapers where she was posing like a seductive covergirl. This insulted Lara's creator that badly he even left Core's team. Core did harm to Lara's image, but luckily the game itself wasn't afected, only the promo materials were damn awful. Personally I don't understand the sex idol thing as Lara's old model was more like a doll made of low polygons, the more she got idolized the uglier she became. That film with Angelina Jolie was a disgrace to the games, if I watched the film for first I wouldn't gave a chance to the games. Crystal Dynamics made no goodness to the series either, they followed up with that crappy film with making a family drama around Lara and dragging his father and other ancestors into the storyline, the story is more like a soap opera than an Indy adventure and Lara was made into a very naive and sensitive whining spoiled princess too. Still their lowest was to swap Tomb Raider into a WoW-style game. Not to mention Crystal couldn't made their own games half as successful as Core. Fanservicing is not often successful as it turned out with the Tomb Raider series, I'm glad Crystal left alone the Legacy of Kain series, they went downhills with Defiance, and the cancelled game were even worse by the story description. Sure making a game is expensive, but developers also need to realize when it's time to stop with making more and more sequels to a dried out franchishe.
Guess I'd liked the SR-s much better if I played them for first, but I expected an anti-hero game with Kain in the main role like the Blood Omens, those games set up the standard for a Legacy of Kain game to me.
Yes, both the hylden and the ancients are part of the original timeline, Kain mentioned Janos Audron a few times in BO1 too.
Maybe the Elder was a failed experiment, the Mass was a living creature without any consciousness, it was just vegetating and producing energy while the Elder God had it's own will and thinking, and became dangerous to the existence of the hylden and any other races he found bothering. It's not just the appearance that makes me feel the Elder similar to Cthulhu, but as he's "here and everywhere" as if he was as big as Nosgoth itself living in a symbiosis with the whole land, but as he had no physical manifestation he needed his servants and agents do for him what he planned.
As for the blood sucking, I rather preferring the Blood Omen style drinking than the classic neck-biting stuff with often erotism connected to it. I liked Kain drinking from all creatures that had blood regardless to their genders, and drained their blood from a distance without biting the bodies, and he rather looked enraged than horny like those sissy Rice vampires. It was both icky and cool when he drank from those mutant spiders and boney demons in the Canyons
I love the first Nightmare film, it has cheesy scenes like Nancy putting together an exploding whacking mechanism of household items within a few minutes, that made me giggle But the Nightmare sequels and the rest of Wes Craven's films are good for brain relaxing, especially those stupid Scream films, they're really not requiring any thinking
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-28 15:01:21 +0000 UTC]
Unfortuntelly it's difficult to create a decent antihero without making him ridiculous. Personally i hate powerleveling about good characters and possibly without any flaws or weaknesses.
damn, from the description it almost sounds like you live in monastery, but i get what you mean. My ex boyfriend had his room covered with his piantings, you actually couldn't see a piece of wall from under them. By the amount of your works i believe you could do the same
Well, you know how it is. Hungry fans always want more and more and they usually don't care about anything unless they can see their favourite character. It's like the Dragonlance series, each of already 50 tomes (i guess) is about the same, but fans don't seem to be bored with another troll slaughter until they can read about Drizzt.It's funny how most people are not picky and they would eat even shit, if it had carved their fav character on it Lack of questioning reminds me the blind faith in religious terms. They take is as an axiom of being awesome, and many companies and authors feed on that and they will never stop untill their hen shits the golden eggs. Gamemaking is the business like many others and it's intention is to make money so we can't expect any understanding. Really not many companies care about their creations except of them beeing profitable, or they just use the old title to sell something totally new and not necceserly good, but people will lick it just becouse it has the mark. I had a friend with whom i had wekkend sessions of Heroes of Might and Magic which reached it's peek of gameplay in part 3. After seeing part 4(by other producer) i said i ain't going to play in it becouse it's a disgrace and it was a rape on the previous parts, but he didn't really cared he wanted to play becouse it was a newer version (and worser for that matter). The game had almost nothing to do with the original and the new developer wanted to make the gameplay "better", like usual trying to correct something which was already good ended up as a fail. "Better is the enemy of good" like my dad says.
This thing will last until the world ends. Interplay cared about such things and right now they are down with the dumps.Only thing that we can do is "not to play".
Yeah, that way could be pleasantly surprised
My other theory and more devious was that the Elder wasn't a fail experiment but quite succesfull experiment of trying to brainwash the ancients. And why not, they used their faith to create a thing that could impersonate their god and thus gain control. Unfortunetly the beeing might feel endangered by it's makers and it took precautions, and rest is a roll of events that lead to something far more deep. I say they could do it, since we already know them for experimenting with organic, shapless materials and Elder just took his role far more serious than expected or might even been suggested so well that he is the Wheel of Fate that he actually becamed one for real. I think it's higly possible
Blood sucking from distance is comfortable becouse you don't have to come close, and seriouslly as a vampire you would want to bite some of the necks? you didn't even know where half them was before, not to mention drinking from from those freaky demons. Now i wouldn't want to get my face close to them. I suppose they might invent it becouse of the practical matters and by accident it becamed really cool Actually in Blood Omen i got surprised with this way of feeding, i never saw something like that before, but i liked that you could actually feed in both ways classical and this scary one
Blood sucking gets absolutelly new meaning with it.
That's the word which iw as missing "cheesy". You might try and watch Nightmare with German dubbing, it becomes even more hilarious then. I downloaded it by accident and i was rolling from laughter.Right now i am downloading "Critters" for more brain farting, we shall see if it is as good as i remeber it
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2011-12-28 22:54:18 +0000 UTC]
Good heroes without any flaws are gary stu characters. That's what I liked about the Blood Omen 1-2 Kain, he had a lot of negative personalities and a hasty and arrogant behaviour so he wasn't perfect and was surprising to act the opposite as heroes normally do, and he's still the "hero" of the story, and not it's antagonist.
Yes, fantasy art is not known or appreciated here, there are a lot of conservative tale illustration styles (that rather freaks me out when artists try to imitate the drawing style of kids, I had a lot of conflicts at art schools for not willing to adapt that style) and also esoteric themed pretty art is appreciated here aside of the usual landscapes and stills, but real fantasy art is not. My art was often labelled "too 22th centrury to be liked" or even satanistic, so rather staying with deviantart than real life exhibitions, it's just the wasting of time and money to try making people appreciate art they're not opened to.
Hehe true I have my walls covered with arts and swords I don't like the sight of empty walls anyways, they feel cold and uncomfortable.
It's sad when fanservicing gets a higher priority than producing decent content, it always leads to the decreasing of quality and results a lesser profit to the creators too when their stuff is only loved by the hardcore blinded fantards. I gave a try to the Forgotten Realms books with the first Drizzt books, the very first book was okays as the maffia rules of the drow was appealing, but Drizzt became a hell of a gary stu by the second book, I wished him getting whacked in the head when he didn't wanted to fight the orcs or goblins only used the swords handle not to hurt them. I didn't read any more of those books or Warcraft/Warhammer/Dragonlance and such, they seem to be the same by their content synopsis.
I like when a book has a well-constructed story an ending and takes maximum 3 tomes and not a flood of sequels like a soap opera, shorter stories are always stronger than the endless adventures of some popular characters. When I read about the creating of Lord of the Rings, I liked when Tolkien stopped writing a sequel to it, he planned to write about the human's era after Sauron's defeat, but he considered it damn pointless, the main story had already ended and there's no more story in it to continue doesn't matters how much Lord of the Rings was liked.
A lot of games can stay the same popular with endless sequels and expansions like online RPG-s where people can go with their own characters and developing it the way they want it, those games are not about a story anyways, rather just experience point collecting.
Milking old titles is not always successful, once I bumped into Eidos's profit statistics of the Tomb Raider series, Core's classics brought the most profit, but Crystal's sequels didn't brought them the half of it, they forgot to realize there's no more money in that title, and the more distant they're getting from the original the less profit they can get.
I'm not playing those games too that are too far away from their original, not giving a try to that WoW-Tomb Raider or that upcoming survival game, also left alone the Battle for Middle-Earth strategy game once it got triggered into an endless online RPG after the second installment.
The theory of the hylden experiment reminds me to an oldoe fantasy cartoon called Gandahar, it's characters experimented with genetics to make their own kind superior and created a mastermind by accident that tried to destroy them later on.
I don't know, if the hylden wanted to manipulate the ancients they went too far as the ancients worshipped the Elder as their god and triggered it to a religious war to force his cult onto the hylden. But what is sure the Elder didn't liked these two races, he didn't supported the hylden and wanted to destroy the ancients after they got cursed with immortality and meant no more food for him.
Yes, I had seen bloodsucking in the usual lonely housewvives' horny dream style before, it was refreshing and also very cool to see Kain as a barbarian warrior and consuming blood from a distance of awful creatures I almost didn't bought my first Legacy of Kain because of the negative associations about vampires, but seeing Kain with various big blades and armour on it's cover promised a hacking and slashing style game I like
I've seen critters when I was a kiddie too, it was a silly film if I remember right. Hehe can give a try to Braindead by Peter Jackson, that's the most disgusting comedy I've seen so far.
But can recommend Ghosthouse from 1988 if you want to see something really really retarded with bad acting, that makes one roll in laughter especially as that film didn't intended to be a comedy
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-12-30 14:11:43 +0000 UTC]
And he still can get his ass kicked Now i wanna watch Riddick
goodness, where do you live? O.o Good fantasy art had it's renaissance in the 80ties, an unfortunetlly it stayed there, and you have to wear name of Royo, Valleyo, Frazetta or Achilleos to be appreciated for it today Fantasy art belongs to a very hermetical circle.
Woo! you have photos?
To bad that fantards are countless and they breed quickly I didn't managed to get to the middle of the first book
if not the fact that it was borrowed i would most likely throw it out the window. But net contains so much info about it, not to mention the fantard creativity that you don't even need to read a book to know about it's contents and heroes, just by even stumbling on it accidentaly. Tolkien just knew where to stop and good for him. I don't if you read Witcher by Sapkowski, but it was a really splendid book until the author cared about the main hero, later you could feel the pressure propably made by the fans and publisher, and he had to make the saga stretched through five tomes which really destroyed the whole thing. This propably also made him mad and he killed the main hero
or at least suggested very strongly that continuation is quite impossible. To bad that the game developers didn't agreed with him and had to invent something really stupid to bring the hero back with partial amnesia, bleh. ah well, at least the game was good, but it could take place before his disspearance, none of the fans would be dissapointed.
Talking about endless installments, Might and Magic 1-8 were absolutelly outstanding RPG hack'n'slash games, stories were great, leveling was easy and balanced so that you could still get your ass kicked from monsters, and it was wonderfully beautifull with it's sprite based graphics and fully rendered spalsh screens. Depsite it's graphical flaws this series was really standiong out for itself, fans didn't cared for that. It could continue with success, since the world wasn't yet depleted of it's richness, but somebody got the idea of turning it into real 3-D with episode IX and that's where the climate was taken away, and the best proof of this beeing a fan fail, was that part X was never made.
Online RPG's are maby good but they are also the good breeding ground for dramas and other ridiculous things, i left all my online games becouse my nerves couldn't stand it, even real RPG on private Neverwinter Nights servers.
Well, as we know ancients and hyldens didn't love each other, and in my opinion hyldens would be devious enough to try and mess with their opponent's heads. I would do so if i had the ocassion and possibility Making the Elder hate the ancients was most likely part of the plan, a deeper pay up. Hyldens most likely knew that Elder will get angry and turn his tentacle butt agianst the ancients if they stop substain him in food. The curse was suppose to lead the vampires to total annihilation in exchange for the exile, and punish the Elder by cutting him from the source of food, but they didn't predict that he will start parasiting on other creatures - humans. That's how i see it more or less. Though i have two theories and can't decide which one i like better
Luckyly for me i dragged out the "good" opinion about vampires from Vampire:Masquerade sessions. Game master was about the monstrous side of the vampires and there was no place for sentiments and mushy stuff. We palyed in really cruel vampire reality. It's really a shame that this game is mostlly related to emo right now. So after that i didn't actuially payed much attention to romantical aspects like in Dracula who was delicioussly cruel, and in Interview with a vampire where i mostly looked up at Lestat who was a badass and those theater vampire troop who burned those vampire women I know it's there, i even accept it, but it's not the principal thing about it. I don't even mention about Underworld and other ashaming titles of this kind. I didn't know what exactlly i should expect from Blood Omen, so i was opened for anything and i was pleasantlly surprised
I watched Braindead when i was drunk and in company of other people, i suppose i wouldn't manage with it alone and sober. Heheh, I know Ghosthouse it's a continious serie of facepalms. I shpould try again Night Breed, i remember i couldn't stand it in the past
or Basket case, eeew. Really those films had style. I watched Piranha 3-D and i was disspointed, they can't do it anymore
Btw, soon I'll ask you about consultation since you are one of not many intelligent people around, with healthy view and wide knowledge about LoK. I intend to make series of pictures based on Tarot cards and i am going to need a second opinion.
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Herisheft [2012-01-12 22:43:37 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I find that appealing about Kain, he's arrogant and self-confident enough to think himself the winner of all cases rather than choosing the role of the victim even when he got his ass kicked, and he got it a few times.
Sometimes I tend to think the general rejection of fantasy is connected to the political history and sovjet kommunist oppression here till 1989 and it's ideology brainwashing in all fields of life. While fantasy art was popular in the 50-60's in western countries, the first fantasy art book (Boris Vallejo's) was published in 1989 here. Even todays if I want to get fantasy art books other than Boris and Julie Bell's I have to look for it on ebay.
One can't pass an internet page without seeing something fantasy (even if it's a dumb crappy graphics adverting online rpg-s) still people treat fantasy art as if it was something bizarre beyond their appreciation. Someone said my art is "too 22th century" for their fancy, other people always complaining about why I'm not painting happy scenes, smiling people, or painting the reality instead of the arts I'm doing. Or they call me satanistic or think I have mental problems
I know earthbound people won't ever appreciate any art they can't connect to reality, their reactions make me rolling my eyes, but don't know what would I do without deviantart, I got all the appreciation and feedbacks from here, real life art show offs mean brick walls.
Took some shots of my walls, sending them in a note
Those Drizzt books seems to me fairy tales for teen girls, Drizzt himself felt like a typical angsty Prince Charming always moaning about his outcast life and how he wants to be loved. I was only curious about it because of the related arts and people raving about it assumed a tough warrior story. I've met a similar crap called Elric of melnibone, it was praised as the "best anti-hero story ever" and some forums cited Blood Omen and Kain as Elric's "rip-off". The official Elric art was exaggerating too depicting a wild warrior while Elric wasn't an anti-hero, rather a love-driven wuss forsaking his empire for love and was as weak he couldn't lift a sword without magic potions.
Yes, sometimes the book's cover art tells enough of the content without reading, when I see the typical Warcraft-style top-dog art on a book's cover I already know it has that type of low quality fantasy adventure in it I don't want to read.
Seen the Witcher book around in shops, but didn't read it yet. That's typical of game developers they're trying to milk all money from a title and forsaking a fine story and characters for fanservicing. Also I don't appreciate when they're not keeping a game in genre, rather they want to make it suitable for all genders and ages, soppifying the evil games to make girls fancy them too and such.
Hehe I didn't played Might and Magic, almost bought it, but I was after beating an RPG so rather chosen Blood Omen2 for playing a 3rd person hacking and slashing for change
My fave RPG is Sacred, the leveling up abilities and making an armour the most effective with placing gems or jewels into them were a bit complicated, but that game didn't took itself seriously, it made humour of everything.
Online game addiction is scary, there was a guy at the multimedia course last year who was addicted to some online freebie RPG he couldn't talk about anything else, even real life problems didn't interested him, only the "problem" of getting enough experience points to upgrade his character.
Guess the Elder would terminated the hylden too if he had the chance, I like the idea that he's the creation of hylden experiments, but as he has his own mind and see himself the owner of Nosgoth and the creatures on it he'd rather kill the hylden than allowing them tyranting over him. The Elder quite likes showing who's the boss around
I've read Dracula when I was teen, but didn't found him much impressing, he was too much of a folklore based creation of a romantic mind than a fearsome creature. I liked Salem's Lot much better, but still the things with the garlic, stakes, holy water, sleeping in coffins and such just make a story awkward. But at least there weren't soppy
Interview with the vampire was a major negative experience to me, Brad pitt and Tom Cruise were like an old gay couple always quarrelling with each other, and their personal dramas about love and eternity and the can't live with and without each other issues made me damn bored. Tried to watch Queen of the damned, good thing the player started freezing because I coudn't stand watching it after half an hour. After these I was against reading or watching anything vampire, Blood Omen2 wasn't tempting either as it's cover had the word "vampire" on it, but the absolutely convincing thing were the screenshots as Kain rather looked like a barbaric warrior than a vampire, that was the thing I like
Haha Braindead is insane, it had scenes when I couldn't decide whether I want to laugh or vomit
Ghosthouse is the most epic fail horror movie, it's rather an unintentional comedy
Is it the Piranha or the Jaws that had a lot of sequels? I don't remember which one I watched, but the newest episodes always became dumber than the previous ones. Even the 3D effects can't make a dull film enjoyable
Just watched the Ruins, another gem of the silly teen horror genre, it was rather focusing on how to kill a person in the most disgusting way than making a good story, and the idea of getting murdered by a killer plant crawling under your skin was quite funny
That's fine, I'll help you with your tarot project. Sounds like a big work with about 26 cards
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Herisheft In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2012-02-03 18:34:04 +0000 UTC]
Well let's face it, a soft guy wouldn't survive in this cruel universe. So he got his ass kicked, good, what will not kill him will make him stronger. Besides it makes him more believable, everybody has ups and downs.
Same here. you are hungarian right? We had same problems here in Poland after all. Luckyly my dad is an artist and he was painting fantasy too, but i heck have no idea from where he got his Achilelos, frazetta and Froud albums back then. Besides, people are used to portraits, still nature and landscapes on the paintings, not some supernatural creatures leaking with blood Art fasion is about some reallyw eird things to day, and i say people who paint that are wrong in their heads. Some colourfull Rorschach test, and how is that considered art? or performance art... please. Or the great masterpiece, the old dirty and rusty bowl smeared with butter. Masterpieces, i mean - really!
Art is better than the story itself in case of Drizzt and co. But people never get tired of even 100th troll slaughter untill they can find word "drizzt" in this book. Not to mention, that considering D&D universe, Drizzt is far behind
there is a caste of Drow outcasts, worshippers of Elestree, or something like that which despite the ways of their Lolth brothers.
He coulkd easly join them, be a whiny bitch as he is and find love
I know elric only from Chris's Achilleos illustration, so i ahve no recognition about it, and propably good, becouse i would most likely threw it out the window
Well if you like dark and cruel fantasy, then you should try Witcher. It's nothing about beeing whiny and melty all around. Witcher itself is not even a positive character becouse he's ain't going to kill monsters from purity of his heart, only for money or when he si attacked first.
Might and MAgic is a bit specyfic becouse of it's "primitive" graphics, but it also what makes this game so charming
Personally with RPG i am absolutelly inlove with is Morrowind. It wwas the first game where you could really shape your character in any way you wanted without any bounduaries, and without feeling that you are uber packed. You may have killed a god, you don't feel like it, you just want more. Same with Fallout 1&2, theya re to short for me actually the first rpg games which i finished without stoping, becouse usually i need 3 tryouts to get to the end of rpg
Yeah, thsoe people are scary like hell. Wife of my uncle is totally dragged into that farm shit on facebook. Nothing else matters right now to her, she won't even make dinner.
MAby he couldn't terminate them and made others to do the thing for him, look that he dosen't have much operational possibilities, he can only do things through others. So the ancients solved the problem for him, at same time hyldens played a "joke" on them and the elder with that vampiric curse.
I guess you might like the comicbook "The prince of the night" by Swolfs, it is a french comic but it might be published in english or even at your country. It's pretty much like Dracula with all folklore thing, and the vampire is trully a cruel beast though he dosen't hide in his castle for all the time, he travels, bah, he is a famous violinist for that matter. Not many soppy things, and only between human characters. Pretty good ending too, but i won'r say anything in case you might wanna find it and read it. Really, one of few good vampire stories which don't leave you with bit of bad atste in your mouth, very balanced.
I watched queen of the damned becouse of her costumes
and becouse it was higly funny. Next day i had lots of laughter from my very heavy metal friend who told me how great that film is
I watched braindead halfly drunk with bunch of other drunken people, on big projector screen on teh wall... you can imagine the reactions when around 10 people comments on it through boozy myst
I just finished the "Hellraiser" series, i relally forgot how good that actually was, except maby of 9th part. But overally i am inlove with the motive. I went through Pumpkinhead too, really great for this kind of film and monster looks convincing. I guess thay hired a good studio to make that doll.
Piranha is a completelly new film, or remake of the old shit, i don't know. Unfortunetlly new ones don't have a charm of good oldies, with their rubber monsters and buckets of artifical blood in wrong colour. Jaws had sequals, but i didn't liked them as much.
Plant crawling under a skin? hehehe! good and old one. seems to be alot of that in x-fiels and The Mummy
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AmCiuperci In reply to ??? [2011-09-02 21:32:19 +0000 UTC]
Great job! I too hate those erotised vampire depictions.
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to AmCiuperci [2011-09-02 22:45:40 +0000 UTC]
Thank you
Yes, those "dark lover" stereotypes of vampires are only an entertainment for lonely housewives, and hate when all vampire characters are expected to have their stories spinning around love as if every vampires were written by Anne Rice and similar "women's literature" authors.
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chocolisis In reply to ??? [2011-08-12 02:15:01 +0000 UTC]
Very Good work !!!!
really nice!!!
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to chocolisis [2011-08-12 13:49:17 +0000 UTC]
Thank you. I'm glad you like
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AnkhFalcon In reply to ??? [2011-08-09 05:12:14 +0000 UTC]
the pose is well done, not easy to do.
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Oonou In reply to ??? [2011-08-09 03:58:57 +0000 UTC]
Your description says it all, and I agree with your idea 100%.
The picture itself is dynamic, wonderful-amazing, and the idea behind it makes it even more so.
Wonderful.
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to Oonou [2011-08-10 17:03:22 +0000 UTC]
Thank you I'm glad you like the work and also the idea of magic use instead of the mushy neck-biting thing
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MadxHatterxTeapot In reply to ??? [2011-08-08 20:36:53 +0000 UTC]
Kain in his Tra-la-la pants. xD
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AcidBathSadie In reply to ??? [2011-06-20 18:07:47 +0000 UTC]
Lololol "Lustat" Oh my god it is HARD reading your descriptions sometimes lol. Beautiful artwork, as always. Really, I can't say enough about your skill with a paint brush and I do love that you interpret the more violent, frightening aspects of vampires, which is what they were originally. Your work is always intense and darkly beautiful.
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to AcidBathSadie [2011-06-20 21:13:00 +0000 UTC]
Hehe Lustat is perfectly describing his person than his original name
Sometimes I'm writing too long descriptions, but restricted them to those few works where it was needed to avoid misinterpretations of the content.
Thank you, I like seeing vampires as villainous warriors without the tiniest feelings of care or tenderness, and standing out of the stereotype of mushy fanged "dark lovers" from popular romance books.
And I'm glad you like the painting too
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StreakdWindowPaine In reply to ??? [2011-06-06 20:24:16 +0000 UTC]
i love how you are making this picture against the sexual cliche but i see what u did there on the bulge in is pants. hahaha. but it's beautiful, you are the kain master.
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to StreakdWindowPaine [2011-06-09 16:02:20 +0000 UTC]
Nah, he didn't got horny by those coffins there
But seriously, I don't like the general imagery of vampires, they became a sort of fetish of bored housewife fantasies, Kain is just sticking out of the romantic vampire stereotypes with being an anti-social villainous self-centric warrior.
I'm glad you like the painting.
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StreakdWindowPaine In reply to KainTheVampireLord [2011-07-09 02:44:05 +0000 UTC]
ha ha ha, i love you my friend. i must agree kain is no bishie vamp, it's just fun to imagine him as one (then imagine what he might do to me if he knew i made him one) like kratos from god of war
heh heh heh. oh lord.....
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fedupN In reply to ??? [2011-04-06 16:53:01 +0000 UTC]
THANK YOU for your commentary on the "Lustat" vampire stuff.
Sick unto death of a corpse trying to BITE YOU IN THE NECK being portrayed as sexy.
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KainTheVampireLord In reply to fedupN [2011-04-09 12:41:39 +0000 UTC]
I'm glad you are the same about this
That sort of popular depiction of vampires is as repulsive as possible when a vampire is shown as an emo dream lover who's always moaning about eternal love and getting horny by the sight of the blood. Connecting feeding with sexuality is like getting horny by a bowl of macaroni. I always found the popular vampire romances like Rice's books or JR Ward a bored housewives stuff who realized their husbands are no Prince Charmings.
I love how Kain is an exception under the vampire cliche, and his anger and the feeling of strength when he's feeding, also like he's even not touching the bodies of his victims, rather draining them from a distance
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