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Kerry-Sene — [CreepyPasta Rant] Bullying, Disorders! No Prob!
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Well howdy there everyone. It's me, Kerry, with a deep and thoughtful opinion.
Before I begin, I can already tell that some or a lot of people will disagree with me and this topic that's in my honest perspective. Which is fine, I don't expect everyone to have the same opinion, but hear me out.
It's been a nagging thought for awhile, but because I've been reading some new CreepyPasta rants created by newcomers or current ranters, it had dawned on me that there was a reoccurring nitpick that most ranters get in a fuss about. That being, "bullying is lame to use." Or, "disorders shouldn't be used this often." Or the annoying, "your OC is too young, waaah!"
After awhile of just mindlessly watching serial killers being interviewed, I've come to a realization: bullied, abused, or born with a disorder are all the same ingredients that real serial killers had in their childhood.
Sexual assaulted by a family member, bullied violently in school, or even born with a disorder that makes the individual criminally insane are all the same traits that are used in CreepyPasta.
It's not being edgy, it's just fact. How else would you create a killer? Even real life serial killers share the same factors- are they cliches somehow, too?
It's bugged me for some time now, because ranters assume that these three ingredients are "cliches," even if it's an actual factor into a serial killer's life as an adult or still a teenager.
I understand that some aspects of these cliches are not constructed well, as most CreepyPasta characters tend to have a cardboard cutout of the same backstory and same motivation, but you can't just tell the creator, "that's a cliche. You shouldn't even use it, because your Pasta will be shit."
For all we know, even hitmen CreepyPastas will be considered cliches. And honestly, from the numbers of hitmen OCs appearing recently in the fandom, I won't be surprised when the label falls under "lazy cliche."
This is why creating a CreepyPasta OC is considered tricky or hard, because realistically, serial killers have those main three factors that create them. Unless it's an experimented character from a lab, that's all we can work with.
All I can say is: yes, you can use these factors, but be sure to be more constructive and more unique with them. Like a new backstory that we've never seen before, new elements others are too unsure or scared to use because of misrepresentation. That's what I believe the fandom is more worried about- misrepresenting a character or more, such as parents, friends and school. Like how the majority of the mothers are seen as alright, but the fathers are abusive for no reason.
On the subject of bullying, I've actually seen some reviewers drop the dreaded, "I don't believe this is believable to how they were bullied." Look, after researching bullying and going through so much heartbreaking stories of bullying gone wrong, I don't think it's ever "not believable."
Kids can be complete savages, just doing anything to harm their victim like they're poking a sharp stick at an already wounded pig just so they can watch it squirm and wail. Bullying CAN go too far, no matter who the victim is. And that can seriously corrupt an innocent person to become a changed person in the future, but changed for the worse as they try coping with their past trauma. It consisted someone greatly.
Parental abuse now... Yes, it can happen, on a daily basis it is an unfortunate event that happens everyday. Whether it's emotional, mental, verbal, physical or any other form of abuse, it can still hurt that child and mold them into a disturbed teenager or adult. Mashing the abuse received from home and then from school, who knows what could happen to them in the future?
Being born criminally insane is an actual fact. Scientists have discovered criminal genes CAN be passed on to their future children. But these genes consist of mental capacity, such as being diagnosed as a sociopath, or being diagnosed with psychosis, or other mental disorders that can be passed on.
The child could literally be raised in a picture-perfect home, yet have that disorder that can mold them as a criminally insane individual, and the police could put the blame on the parents that did absolutely nothing to their child to make them who they are.
Oh! That reminds me!
Another thing ranters are so scared of!
Teenagers.
Calm down with your edgy hatred towards teenage serial killers. To be honest, murderers come in any shape or size, and there is nothing wrong with using a teenager as a killer.
Factually, teen killers are the most violent and passionate with who they're murdering and how they will do it. Granted, they're easier to catch because they don't think out the situation after the murder is done, but it still holds strongly that teens are the most brutal.
Instead of being triggered by the age gap, how about make something unique with it? As far as I can see, Yandere-Chan is the most loved and successful teenage serial killer at the moment, and no one has a problem with her established age.
"Uh Kerry, it's different cuz Yandere-Chan is fictional..."
Exactly, so is CreepyPasta. So what's with the meaningless hatred? Instead of wasting energy on being triggered, use the teenage aspect as a more unique and story-telling feature. Like a murder mystery, or like a bullying story gone wrong. "The bullied became the bully," or a young teen corrupted by their rough childhood that's turned their life upside down.
Hnn, that's all I'd like to say. Awhile ago when I first entered CreepyPasta as a ranter, I ranted on the exact same things here, and wow, what a waste of time. I'm so glad things are being seen differently, even if the fragments of 2014 are still floating around and still making us cringe.
Anyways, it's never the end of all opinions! Comment and leave your own thoughts! Agree? Disagree? Or am I just talking to myself in a crowded auditorium?
Which brings me to the new idea... I've been holding it back because I'm so unsure, but Elskan's backstory will be rewritten again. Nothing huge, just more thoroughness to his disorders and such.
Anyhoo, hope you enjoyed this rambling read! G'night folks!
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I'd kinda like to see a character that was a bully, and lashes out at others due to their guilt. If it's been done before, can someone please send me a link to the character? It just sounds really interesting to me.
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On the thing about cliches- they aren't always bad, it's just usually these common tropes are executed in the same boring way. There are ways to use a common idea in a unique way.
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I feel like the disorders and bullying are fine, as long as the author keeps it realistic and non-hurtful, due to the nature of the topic.
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Oh my I'm late ovo"
I totally agree with you and there's alot of different reasons for killers and their killings for example in the psychological reasons like power oriented killers ,mission oriented, visionary ,hedonistic,comfort or disciple
And when a Child there's term called the Mc Donald Triad but it's just an early signs of potential killers like bed wetting after age of 12, setting fires and the killing of small animals
And then the bullying or any kind of Abuse this can cause so much damage emotionally, mentally ,and physically and person can snap so Yeh it's not a cliche OcO
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I have absolutely no problem with Bullying / Disorders / Etc in CP backstories for the exact reasons you said (it showing up in real life murder stories and such). I just dislike seeing one "good" story, and then seeing others with the exact same "plot". As long as people make it different and not make it look like they copy and pasted someone else's story, then go right on ahead.
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This was an interesting read. A lot of people have been talking about teenage horror characters lately. I've had a 2 minute video (audio only for now) of this subject on the back burner since my last OCCOJ episode (oppsh.)
My view is that it's hard (but not impossible) to successfully execute teenage CP characters. There's a lot of obstacles that come with choosing a teenage character that you need to counter. The first obstacle being that teenage OCs are more relate-able to their mostly teenage audience, making them hard to alienate so that they're unpredictable and scary. They don't have the experience of a cunning, charismatic 30-year-old Ted Bundy, or the twisted innocence of your a-typical creepy ghost child. They're in that awkward middle-area. It's easy to make their desire to kill come off as painfully forced. The other reason is that there's a lot of them, and you need to make yours stand out so it doesn't get ignored.
I realized something rather groundbreaking this moment (yes, this moment!): I always thought Elskan was a teenager (18-19), but he was always at least 27! I came across some of his old bio pictures that I had for his court case... And yeah! Boy, did I gloss over that (or had just forgotten it.) Anyway, what was written in this paragraph before was my feelings as to why he was one of the best creepy teenage OCs I've seen. Opps. 
To be honest, Elskan always somewhat reminded me of Ted Bundy; His sense of charisma and manipulation exceeded his peers. That's what's creepy. His peers do not know how to counter his mature, twisted knowledge of human nature that he uses against them. If his mental maturity truly reflected that of a teenager, I think our feelings about him would be rather different.
Teenager or late-twenties young adult, he's still awesome. But now I know!
When it comes to use of bullying and disorders, there's no inherit problem with using them. If you're going for a realistic feel to your antagonistic horror character, then there has to be a reason behind the madness, right? I suppose the gripe against using those tropes is that younger writers often execute them poorly. Not only does improper use get tiring, but it can get rather insulting if the creator is also really pushing the limits of such sensitive subjects. There's many pitfalls to avoid when handling that sort of thing. Anyways, I've ran my mouth long enough.
If you have any opinions about this, I look forward to hearing from you
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i think people just want a change, i mean yea killers irl tend to have those characteristics however, since it's your oc, you have the power to make it different, and people like change. After a while us readers get tired of reading the same book, parents abused, mental disorder, bullying. What if a character was normal, and got struck by lightning or something? Rarely saw one of those, or what if they wondered into a restricted area and got a curse? seen very few of those. You see what i mean?
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I see what you mean, but sadly, no reviewer has ever done their own effort to create something original. Mostly complaining or just bothering to waste energy on another person's creation. In my opinion, if they would like something to be done, they should do it themselves, or likely find a different place of creation.
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well, being a reader instead of a creator, creating one yourself defeats the purpose xD. People will always get tired of seeing the same thing, if you have a large audience, you want to cater to it. Otherwise, you'll lose that audience!
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Oh yes, I agree, both ranting wise and story wise. Revising the same idea will easily become stale. Ranting on the same thing will also become stale. So both sides need improvement otherwise xDD
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PREACH
I'm SO glad I'm not the only one that feels this way, it also occurred to me many things that would make a serial killer, a serial killer, are looked down upon for being overused and cliche for characters in the Creepypasta fandom. But this also happens to OCs in general. What else are people supposed to do? I mean the most original thing someone could do that I can possibly think of is making the OC born evil without any tragic backstory or disorders attached.
It totally shouldn't matter whether things that are considered cliche are used or not as long as they're used well.
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As always, you are very much after my own heart~ a lot of killers irl are pretty samey with similar tragedies plaguing them, I mean, how do you rearly make a murderer? (Reference not intended) I do like it when people try and explore other paths in their stores as to why their OCs are that way, but their is such thing as too original, to the point where the OC is totally unrelated/to hard to understand. Personal, I use the above mentioned tropes a lot in my own OCs and they work and I'm happy with them. I'm sure the same can be said about you.
Idk, it's kind of like reviewers now are trying to make OCs sound worse than they rearly are so they can get a bigger reaction and more views. Who wants to read a review on a ok OC when they could laugh at a horrible one?
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OMG Em, stahp you make me blush. (๑>v<๑)
Yep, just as I feel as well. Using the tropes above aren't bad whatsoever, it's just a huge factor into the CreepyPasta. It's not really edgy, it's just fact.
Ugghhh, I feel the same. Reviewers try way too hard to make an OC look worse than they really are. Just one misconception, and it's 'suddenly' the worse OC on this planet. There are OCs out there that are probably worse, yet oddly enough they just want to go after the decently made ones and pick them apart for no reason.
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My moto when it comes to OCs is stick to what you know, tends to work for me and I'm sure it works for others. For me, even when it starts to feel repetitive, I enjoy OCs with more standard origins than ones that try and throw the rule book out the window.
And OMG, yes! Their are a lot of reviews I find now that where I just read about the OC myself, it's actually pretty OK or good in my opinion. Like??? I'm perfectly ok with people posting these negative opinions on meanal things like this but sometimes, it feels like over kill
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i think the problem is the way it's used. the parents aren't given a reason nor are the bullies the main character is portrayed as an innocent person the world despises for no reason and it's just to try to justify the killer going insane. i had an idea for a killer with a split personality who ended up that way cause his mother hated boys cause of her own childhood traumas and tried to force him to be trans. if it was like silent hill 2 or spec ops the line where you see walker going insane from his actions and even blaming the 33rd cause he couldn't face what he did.
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I agree with your point, but I think they should give a reason to WHY the parents would abuse them or something. Maybe BECAUSE of the disorder, or they were a son/daughter, instead of a daughter/son.
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Yep, I feel the same too. I think I made a journal rant on that as well. It's so important to have a full understanding to the character, so that they can be a likely character. Of course though, not every detail if they'd like to be very mysterious about their past.
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Also, Creepypasta has seem to just grow to a fanfiction website (in my opinion). It's meant to have stories of frightening nature, not about how a person became insane (Example: Jeff the Killer). I'd prefer to hear about a "witness" of the emo white boy over how he became an emo white boy.
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ya I agree but this Isn't just the creepypasta oc s that gets all this uncalled backlash
for being mary sue / cliche.
one time I saw the most.dumbes reason for a character to be called mary sue , and do you what to know why this person's oc was a mary sue/cliche ?
because they had short shorts and long boots ...... SHORT SHORTS AND LONG BOOTS . thats rediculse how people are so quick to label someone mary sue or cliche . Just because they have one tiny aspect that they don't like .
And it's perfectly fine if people don't like surtaint aspect on a character but to call them a mary sue/cliche is not fair .
like one time I saw the saddest excuse for a rant on oc characters ever . they just gogeled searched oc s and just nit picked at the characters and screamed MARY SUE SO CLITCHE .
without even researching for the characters bio or story .That was just such a bia's rant .
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^^^^ Exactly, I feel just the same as you.
That's why appearance in this fandom is so overrated nowadays. People worry too much on looks rather than research the important aspects given about the character, and just slap on the Mary Sue or Gary Stu tag on them.
I've also seen reviewers do that to characters, and it's just so petty, or so nitpicky, to assume right away that the character is just plain ol' shit.
I agree wholly with your comment!!
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thank you ,
huuu I just feel like people that are ranter just can't seem to find anyone who has a bad oc , manly because people are trying to make them good . So instead of saying good job matte you did good, they just flip the table .
But the number one thing that makes me made is when they judge on art style . You don't know how many rants I have seen were they judge the art style . And not the character .
now it's perfectly fine to give constructive criticism, but they don't do that they just wine like this
" THIS IS SO CRINGY AND BAD JUST STOP GET OFF OF DA AND GET OFF THE INTERNET , YOUR ART IS SHIT AND NOT GOOD . "
I'm not kiding I've seen people do this , and it's sickening to see this from a ranter , who's soul purpose to help people improve and see the error of their ways , but nowadays people just make rants on characters to bitch about them with no good argument .
Instead of trying to help and give constructive critisme . And telling them that they can become a better artist . Because I'm an artist who believes no one's art should be favored and be seen as the absolute goal of art . The art style should really be the last thing you talks about or mention when doing an oc review .
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i'm mostly scared to put my oc out there due to this also because I can't come up with a dang name for her . and I have been doing alot of research on this to her personality, physical traits, mannerisms .
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That's the problem with this broken fandom. You shouldn't feel such fear to put your OC out there because of the unneeded backlash! You should feel good about submitting it and having fun with your OC. I have faith in you LunaWolf! ʕ/ ·ᴥ·ʔ/ Don't let the harshness get to you, you can do whatever you like and enjoy yourself.
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would you like to see my oc i'll be giving her updated look soon she's gonna look pretty bad ass .
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''Factually, teen killers are the most violent and passionate with who they're murdering and how they will do it. '' that made me think of Teenagers by My Chemical Romance-
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Kind of agree, but there is different scenarios for a killer to become a killer. Criminal Minds is actually very useful if some one wants to make a creepypasta Oc.
People just want new things, because all that is the same things over and over again to make a serial killer. But whatever at least the person actually put thought to the character and try to give them personality, then they're good.
I SAY KILL EVERYONE 😁😁😁
(Just took the phone from anonymous and wrote whatever. They trying tohv get meb. )
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Preach!! Honestly i think about the same things alot :/
i find it so dissapointing how some ranters and reveiwers are on peoples backs saying what to and not to do, there are no rules in this fandom there is no canon
there are just overused and underused
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Im not in the fandom, but i wanted to join but ive been scared to make an oc.
These are some really valid points and i love your opinion! Especially with the yandere term!
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