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kevinsano In reply to NeoSlashott [2012-12-25 14:04:21 +0000 UTC]

hahaha

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kevinsano In reply to TheDigoDragon [2012-12-23 17:39:35 +0000 UTC]

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useraccount In reply to Caerdwyn [2012-12-22 03:34:30 +0000 UTC]

There's a saying in Texas (or so I've heard): When a woman takes your hat, she's also taken an interest in you. When she puts it on, she wants to f*** you.

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Sir-Jayke In reply to Torynd [2012-12-22 03:40:38 +0000 UTC]

It's an opposites thing. Characters that provide strong contrast often make for the most interesting chemistry. Rarity and AJ make a popular combination because the way they bicker (most noticeably in Look Before You Sleep) it's almost like an old married couple. It's cute and relatively entertaining.

It's the seem reason why say, Tarzan and Jane works. Big city, high cultured young lady and a jungle man, they couldn't be more different. Opposites attract, it's an age old theory that while not the best combination in reality, in terms of fiction it can produce some pretty great results. Seriously, who wants to read about/watch a couple just getting along and agreeing on everything?

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Torynd In reply to Sir-Jayke [2012-12-22 04:05:29 +0000 UTC]

I do, sort of. :c I like Rarishy because even though they're pretty different, they also have a lot in common; and their differences (mostly) result in a mutual benefit rather than bickering or conflict.

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kevinsano In reply to Torynd [2012-12-21 15:03:49 +0000 UTC]

Watch "Look before you sleep" and "It's about time". They have the most "nods", I think.

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Torynd In reply to kevinsano [2012-12-21 16:04:11 +0000 UTC]

I don't have time to watch two whole episodes right now, though from what I remember from "Look before you sleep", they practically tried to kill each other the entire episode, and managed to tolerate each other's differences by the end of it. I don't really think that makes a good pairing at all...I suppose it would be one of those love/hate pairings, right? Which is good for some, but not my cup of tea.

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useraccount In reply to Torynd [2012-12-22 03:33:06 +0000 UTC]

The second part of the Season 3 premiere has that line "Well, maybe things are better when they're a rarity." This line was said by Applejack, to Rarity. Now, they're just close friends, right? Yes. But a line like that? Would you say that to somebody you just considered a close friend?

And in "Magic Duel", Applejack is comforting Rarity after being subjected to ugly-dressification by Trixie. Despite Spike being bounced around, Rainbow Dash flailing about uncontrollably, and Pinkie NOT HAVING A MOUTH OR NOSE. If she was just friendly with Rarity, she would most likely go help out one of them, since they might need it more. But, ah, love makes one do crazy things.

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Torynd In reply to useraccount [2012-12-22 03:46:17 +0000 UTC]

When I heard her say that line, I thought she was trying make Rarity shut up in a playful kind of way, taking advantage of her predictability and narcissism. I'd say that to a close friend in a playful way, but that's just me--I can see how it could be interpreted differently, though.

And that last one....I'll have to give you that one. Not happy about it though. I'll chalk it up to random pony placement (or general friendship) to suit my own bias, though. Y'know, cause I'm the type of sad person that needs that.

Now that I think of it, since Season 3, they've been sort of "pairing" the ponies. Pinkie has been a lot more affectionate with Rainbow Dash, too. Not happy with it though! None of these pairings make a lick of sense, even if they're "canon". >.<

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Mischiviktus In reply to Torynd [2012-12-21 17:24:34 +0000 UTC]

It's an opposite's attract sort of relationship, they've been seen around one another in the recent season as well, giving more continuity that they're become best of friends regardless of their differences; first for Twilight, and now themselves. Doesn't help the fact that Hasbro has been shipping out gallons f raw, unrefined Rarijack fuel with the little winks and comments they give towards one another.

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Torynd In reply to Mischiviktus [2012-12-21 17:45:43 +0000 UTC]

I suppose, though I don't think they have any actual underlying compatibility. Since I don't ship them, I've never thought much of their interactions. I always perceived it as Applejack making fun of Rarity, taking advantage of her predictability.

Though to be honest, any pairings at all are pretty thin on the ground. I think my OTP (Rarishy) is the only pairing that makes any sense at all, but like my friend reminds me, it doesn't have that much going for it either.

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WhiteDiamondsLtd In reply to Torynd [2012-12-22 06:53:48 +0000 UTC]

Pardon me for jumping in, but since you asked I can say that the reason that *I* personally have always shipped Rarijack is because, honestly, I think they really do have quite a lot in common below their surface differences. In my own opinion they are both arguably the most "adult", mature members of the Mane Six; they are both exceptionally hard-working and driven, run their own small businesses, and are both largely responsible for their younger sisters' care, which gives them a lot of common ground which any of the others would have a difficult time relating to, and yet which is quite critically important in each of their respective lives. In "Look Before You Sleep" we see that they don't get along very well at first because they judge each other at face value, but the entire episode was dedicated to their resolving this and realizing that, underneath it all, they actually can find things to appreciate about one another and be friends in spite of superficial surface differences. And, ever since then their friendship has visibly deepened and grown stronger, to the point that Rarity has been seen accompanying Applejack and keeping her clean in "It's About Time" to this season when they have been shown willingly spending a lot of time with one another, comforting each other (Rarity is briefly seen rubbing a distressed Applejack's shoulders in part two of "The Crystal Empire", and of course most people are aware of the scenes with the two of them in "Magic Duel") and so on.

So if nothing else, it's clear that they have indeed become good friends and that they do care about and respect each other, which is as good a basis as any other for a deeper relationship if one were interested in pairing up characters. Beyond that, I personally find it charming because they are so different on the surface; unlike AppleDash where both characters are exceptionally tomboyish, or Rarishy where they are both very feminine the two of them strike a nice balance and compliment each other very well, almost like two halves of one bigger whole. I think it's sweet that they could look past their differences to grow closer despite everything else.

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Torynd In reply to WhiteDiamondsLtd [2012-12-22 17:40:17 +0000 UTC]

I suppose you're right--considering what we're given from the show, they ARE good friends and it somehow works out, I have no idea how. Whenever I see them together, I can't help but think that they'd be bored to death of each other's interests. But the show presents it to us as it somehow working out.

On a personal level though, my gut tells me that if they were a couple, it wouldn't work out. I suppose that comes from a personal experience with a similar relationship with someone who was almost my opposite. Needless to say, we almost never had anything to talk about and even though we loved each other, it didn't work out. It was simply far too much work than any relationship should be.

Rarishy seems like a more stable relationship, also I admit, due to personal influence and the type or relationships I've had. I have some Rarity-like personality traits (bossiness, prissiness), and while dating a hardworking, get-it-done Applejack-type didn't work out, dating shy Fluttershy types have been the best relationships of my life (if perhaps a bit mutually dependent, I'm working on that).

Which is why, regardless of "canon", I cannot in good faith ship RariJack. These are wholly personal reasons, and I can see why other people would decide to ship it. I am, after all, taking this entirely too seriously.

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WhiteDiamondsLtd In reply to Torynd [2012-12-22 20:32:39 +0000 UTC]

I'm not so sure about the different interests thing. After all, it was revealed that when Applejack was a filly, she had secret dreams of becoming a 'sophisticated pony', something she desired badly enough that she was willing to leave her family and move to Manehattan to pursue. Obviously, in the end she realized that her true happiness lie back home with the farm and the ones she loved, but that doesn't mean that she completely discarded all of her interests in more cultured, "fancy" trappings and tastes too, even though she doesn't have much use for them in her day to day life working the farm, obviously. Likewise Rarity has supposedly always dreamed of a life of glamour and refinement in Canterlot, yet in "Sweet and Elite" when she was given a perfect golden opportunity to pursue just that (she was the belle of the ball amongst the Canterlot elite throughout the episode, and even by the end when it was revealed that she wasn't who she had been portraying herself as she obviously remained on good terms with Fancypants and had even managed to drum up quite a bit of business) she turned this down chose to return to her simple home in Ponyville. People can argue that maybe she did this just because the timing wasn't right for her, or simply because this is a cartoon and they wouldn't break up the main characters, but it's my own personal interpretation that it was more telling of Rarity's inward dreams and heart; she does want to be successful in her business and enjoys luxury and refinement when she can get it, but deep down she realizes that she would never truly enjoy a life among nobles and high society with all of the snobs, insincerity and so on... being an Element bearer and a truly kind pony at heart she prefers a more fulfilling life amongst her friends and family, much like Applejack.

Otherwise though, I still do think they would be good for each other. Rarity may be subtly domineering and prissy, true, but Applejack can be just as hot-headed and equally stubborn as she is, and it has been shown that she's gotten to the point that she can roll her eyes good-naturedly at Rarity's fussiness and take it in stride, as opposed to when they first would fight about such things. I think if they were ever together they would likely take turns being "dominant" in the relationship--depending on the situation Applejack would be willing to patiently indulge Rarity and her many quirks, and other times Rarity would be happy to lean on Applejack and allow her to take charge... we've seen examples of both types of interaction between the two already on the show so it's not outside the realm of possibility to imagine. However, just as you have your own personal preferences, I have mine, so while I personally have never been able to imagine Rarishy being able to work on any sort of long-term basis at all, even if one could argue for any initial attraction/chemistry you of course are free to do so if that's your preference. That's the beauty of fanon.

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Torynd In reply to WhiteDiamondsLtd [2012-12-22 21:08:45 +0000 UTC]

Idk, I know at least that Fluttershy seems to be the only other pony besides Rarity to have any sort of interest in fashion, so much so that when she asked for a dress she answered specifically "French old couture"....why the heck her dress turned out the way it did is a mystery to me, it didn't look anything like what Fluttershy asked her to make. And you know, being fashionable is Rarity's LIFE, I'd imagine that if she got a listener, she'd never stop talking about it. I suppose Fluttershy would be the only person she'd really be able to talk about those things with. They already regularly meet up at the spa, I think that's the only mention in the show of two ponies hanging out regularly of their own free will.

And I think their personalities work out quite well together...way better than RariJack. I've been in a "two dominant people" type of relationship, and maybe they can deal with it better than I did, but I know that it caused a lot of head-butting and conflict for me, even some resentment. I always thought that if there was anyone who could put up with Rarity's crap on a regular basis, it would be Fluttershy. And since Rarity is such a ham, she would soak up all the attention that Fluttershy doesn't want on herself. Same thing with decisions...it's a win/win situation.

I know it's not as convincing as everything you've written, I have kind of a bad memory and I haven't gone through all the episodes again to find confirmation of my shipping. I just know that that kind of relationship has worked for me--and that I think that I most definitely prefer a relationship where there is a beautiful harmony rather than (what I perceive) is a harsh opposition between extremes.

(Let it be known I also disapprove of FlutterDash, on similar grounds. RD usually just traumatizes the poor girl, what a terrible relationship!)

But hey, it's just My Little Pony. We can ship whatever we want to, and we're still just as weird for it.

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WhiteDiamondsLtd In reply to Torynd [2012-12-23 02:26:59 +0000 UTC]

Well, the main reason that I can't imagine the Rarishy pairing working (on any sort of long-term basis at least) is because I really can't begin to imagine how their home life would ever work out... Fluttershy's animals are her entire life and I think it's pretty much set in stone that she would never leave or get rid of them for anything, and obviously Rarity shares no such interests and likely would never want anything to do with any of that (can you imagine her living in any kind of environment that was literally crawling with animals and birds of all kinds constantly, messing with her supplies and chewing up her fabric? If she gets impatient with having Sweetie Belle around her workspace, I'm pretty positive she would never even be able to entertain that idea for a moment!). Otherwise though, while they are established as being relatively close friends in the series I've always interpreted that relationship as being somewhat one-sided in Rarity's favor; namely, from what we've seen she does most if not all of the talking during their spa sessions and Fluttershy basically listens because that is the sort of sweet friend that she is, but I can't imagine this would ever make for any sort of fair or rewarding relationship if it was taken to any sort of level beyond a casual friendship, and definitely not on a long term basis... I just feel it's too one-sided. Aside from meeting at the spa every week and sharing some kind of interest in sewing/fashion the two seem to have almost nothing in common (and certainly personality-wise they don't), and honestly they've scarcely ever interacted much in the show outside of those few moments already mentioned. As a result it's just my own personal opinion that they have very little real chemistry together, and I'm inclined to believe that Rarity would relish a relationship with a little more passion and drama thrown into the mix because it's established that such things are far more to her tastes.

Jumping to a different train of thought though, if you don't mind my asking, you say you can't imagine two headstrong characters being in a relationship together because they would constantly be butting heads, and yet you mentioned that you like and support AppleDash, is that correct? I would honestly think those two would be just as volatile as Applejack and Rarity would be together, if indeed not moreso to a large degree, because at least in the case of the latter pairing there is a similar level of maturity between the two characters, while I really feel that Rainbow Dash's brashness, laziness, and general selfishness would present some serious points of contention for Applejack (and not to say that I do not like Rainbow Dash mind you because I do, quite a lot, but she really does come off like a cocky teenager as often as not and she and Applejack have been seen to butt heads over it more than once). Whatever the case may be I would like to reiterate that I respect your own opinions and preferences for whatever ships you like, but it did seem to me that in this instance that was just a little bit hypocritical!

Also, please do excuse me for the length of my posts in general. I don't normally debate shippings and certainly not on private deviation pages like this (I do hope Kevinsano doesn't mind), but you had initially asked in this instance and once I get going discussing my ship, it can sometimes be like opening a floodgate I'm afraid. ^_~

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Torynd In reply to WhiteDiamondsLtd [2012-12-23 02:48:38 +0000 UTC]

Well, in that case, how is Applejack's farm any different than Fluttershy's animals? I mean, I don't really know how it would happen, but it doesn't seem too much of a stretch to let Rarity have an animal-free room in the house, and try to keep things tidy anyway. That I recall, she's never reacted negatively to Fluttershy's animals. And really, the one-sidedness of the relationship doesn't bother me at all, because I find that if one one of the partners is really domineering, it's probably best that the other partner is more subdued for the sake of harmony. As I've said before, they are also quite different, but in a complimentary kind of way. A shy, quiet partner won't mind that the other one talks without stopping--which is why I think Fluttershy is Rarity's ideal partner. (This is how it's worked in my relationships. I take the lead and my timid partner happily tags along.) I do recognize that after the few moments they had, they haven't appeared much together and that makes me sad because I think they are a stellar pair.

And about AppleDash? I actually don't ship it that much, I only do because it seems to me that Rainbow Dash is competitive with EVERYONE, and Applejack is the only pony that would be "up to par" wit her. To be honest, I don't actually like RD much, I think she is cocky and selfish...but I think she could at least respect AJ as an equal, and I think AJ could teach her a lot in terms of honesty and selflessness. That's about as much thought as I've given it, really.

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WhiteDiamondsLtd In reply to Torynd [2012-12-23 03:53:53 +0000 UTC]

I don't think that the fact that Applejack works on a farm, which in her case tends to involve dealing with crops more anyway, is anything near the same as Fluttershy coexisting inside of a house with countless animals of all kinds, which by extension would translate to Rarity's mutual home if they ever hypothetically got together. Those situations are really very different, and though I had raised that point with a sense of humor originally I do still think it would be a valid sticking point if one were to try to analyze/justify any of this seriously (even though it's all theoretical anyway since obviously, we will never actually see any of this in the show).

And as for their personalities again, though I understand that for you personally that sort of relationship seems to work you are not actually Rarity nor have you ever dated Fluttershy (I imagine, anyway ^_~), so in this instance forgive me if I'm not entirely sold on the ship just because of your own personal experiences (and I will admit that some of my own argument has been mere speculation on my part due to how I interpret the characters, but for the most part I have done my best to back these points up with actual canon examples from the series, as well). I do understand how someone might be inclined to ship Rarishy since they have implicitly been established as being relatively close friends in the show, but again, with how Rarity has been presented as a character who actively seeks out excitement and drama in her life, and who seems to thrive on challenges I think that a relationship with somepony as meek and timid as Fluttershy would simply fail to capture (and certainly hold) her interest. Not to mention they have very little on which to base a relationship if you actually go by the show, once again, while I think that Rarijack has been given many examples that show how a deeper relationship could easily exist between the two of them if this was the sort of series that would allow for such a thing, by simply building on what has already been established between them.

Lastly and regarding Rainbow Dash I agree with you that I personally find her exceptionally hard to ship with anyone due to her brash and competitive nature, or at least when the pairing is taken seriously. While I don't actively ship her with anyone for this reason I have admittedly always had something of a soft spot for PinkieDash, because I think Pinkie would be more than happy to adore Rainbow even in spite of her many flaws which also seems to have been confirmed in canon this season...

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Torynd In reply to WhiteDiamondsLtd [2012-12-23 04:45:53 +0000 UTC]

Well, I can't really comment much on Rarity's personality since Fluttershy has always been my favorite...I only started noticing Rarity when I started shipping RariShy sometime during Season 2, and I've only ever watched each episode once. I personally feel like Rarity would be delighted to have someone tell her how wonderful she is all the time, and not fight back, and talk about fashion to, but that's also my own interpretation. Rarity has always seemed, to me, a seeker of comfort rather than adventure.

You have lots of good points going for your argument, I can't deny that. I don't think I'd ever be able to back up my shipping as well as you can, seeing as the show just doesn't cater to my particular pairing. I'll admit defeat--but RariShy will always be my OTP. I can't in good faith support RariJack, even if it's "canon"...if simply for the fact that I love RariShy too much.

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WhiteDiamondsLtd In reply to Torynd [2012-12-23 05:43:38 +0000 UTC]

Oh it's okay, and I'm sorry if I made you feel badly about anything at all! Certainly you should always ship your pairing regardless of canon or any arguments if that's what makes you happy and appeals to you, definitely. As for me Rarity has always been my favorite character since I got into the series between seasons one and two (and Applejack close behind her), and I've been a fan of Rarijack virtually from the beginning as well, so I guess you can say I've had a lot of time to consider why I like and ship it! I agree with you that Rarity would most assuredly enjoy those things, I just don't think Fluttershy is the only pony who could give them to her is all, however that might just be due to how I see Rarity and Applejack and interpret their friendship in the series. To each their own, and happy shipping then!

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Blue-Bees In reply to SonGoharotto [2012-12-21 18:09:49 +0000 UTC]

GREATEST SHIP.
SCREW APPLEDASH.

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Tchernobyl In reply to Blue-Bees [2012-12-21 23:09:59 +0000 UTC]

AppleDash > all, damn you!

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Torynd In reply to Tchernobyl [2012-12-22 03:53:39 +0000 UTC]

I support AppleDash.

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useraccount In reply to Tchernobyl [2012-12-22 03:27:47 +0000 UTC]

I'm not against AppleDash, but I find it a bit cliche/too obvious that the two tomboyish ponies would be in a relationship (I know that "opposites attract" isn't a very good reason either, so I'll just put down this stone I was going to throw)

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Tchernobyl In reply to useraccount [2012-12-22 08:01:33 +0000 UTC]

It's part of why I like it so much, though. They are such *good friends*, that understand each other, that it would only require the slightest push to get together. Vs most of the other relationships that would require more than that/one of the ponies to change somewhat.

Ah well, this is no place to debate

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Torynd In reply to useraccount [2012-12-22 03:59:55 +0000 UTC]

You know, studies show that relationships between similar people are more stable and last longer than relationships between opposites.

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useraccount In reply to Torynd [2012-12-22 14:25:54 +0000 UTC]

Ah. but Rarity and Applejack are more imilar than you might think. They both have good headsfor business, they're both family-oriented (Applejack is more so, however), and their "opposite-ness" compliments each other. They both push each other to try new things.

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Torynd In reply to useraccount [2012-12-22 17:51:52 +0000 UTC]

I'm not quite sure they're similar at all. What would they even talk to each other about? They don't even like doing the same things. In my personal opinion, their differences stand in direct opposition to one another rather than being complimentary (like for example, in Rarishy).

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