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Kibbitzer — Female Torso Reference Sheet
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Published: 2014-10-06 20:33:12 +0000 UTC; Views: 565618; Favourites: 11107; Downloads: 0
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Female torso is even more difficult, I'm afraid I will never be able to draw it without reference photos/drawings hnnnng @_@IMPORTANT EDIT:
I do apologies but I refuse to put the mature tag because I simply don't think female's nipples are vulgar.
Especially in this context.. I see no difference between males and females nipples..
Don't report it, don't sexualize this anatomy study.
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use it for your exercises if you need, but don't trace it please X'D
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no it all started as a joke it wasnt meant to be taken seriously
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You probably shouldn't joke about any of this, it's really serious that us females are being sexualized about everything and anything we do or wear.
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I don't think that was a joke. You were defining your would in an unlikely manner that was unnecessary in all levels. Think before you speak.
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What is wrong with you? Thinking that this is pornographic? Do you not understand that some people take those things seriously. Look at your comment history. You could of ruined her artistic dreams. You know what you said. Nothing to argue about that. And before you say you did not , check yourself. There is no joking about that. If you are going to make a big deal about it, go somewhere else. And note: anything nasty you say will tell us one thing about who and how you are.
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What is wrong with YOU?!? Valsaik had a completely valid concern and even presented it in the form of a joke specifically as to not make such a big deal about it. You, on the other hand, jumped down their throat again and again making accusations about their character, and then you have the nerve to tell them to "check themselves"? The level at which you are misreading his replies and berating them for opinions they doesn't even have tells a lot more about your character than about theirs.
Bringing up the mature tag on a piece that involves mild nudity is completely valid. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with the female breasts, nor are they portrayed in a lewd or pornographic manner here, it does not mean the mature tag is unnecessary. And valsaik's concerns about people are entirely correct - just because most people will be adults about artistic nudity, there are plenty of people who will be children about it and flag a piece for pornography at the slightest hint of nudity regardless of context.
That's why valsaik's worry is legitimate, and when there is a legitimate concern like that, it is easily arguable that they do in fact have a responsibility to say something about it. But even in that case, all that is necessary was for Kibbitzer to reply saying either "oh you are right, let me put the tag on" or "it is alright, as the rules will protect against rampant flagging in this case", both of which are valid stances to have. What was absolutely not necessary was you tearing into this person who only wanted to help.
And the bit about "ruining her artistic dreams"? First of all, Kibbitzer is doing a fantastic job, and the fact that she can post these nude reference sheets at all says she's confident enough that a little bit of concern about false porn tags isn't going to be enough to ruin her day (and her response further down the page confirms that). Second, what you are doing is far more harmful by taking someone's valid concerns and shoving them back in their face, effectively telling them that they should just shut up and stay out of places they don't belong. That was incredibly rude and immature of you, and you are the last person here who has any right to warn someone against saying anything nasty.
TL;DR - Valsaik had a legitimate concern, and you are the jerk here for responding in the way you did.
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To be clear, I did not waste my time reading this. I will now report you and block you for being so negative. Actually, I meant it in a way that you did not understand. You were never part of this. We were never "arguing."
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Go for it. You thinking what I said was "negative" just further proves how little you actually understood what I said and, therefore, the true nature of what YOU said. And threatening to block and report me rather than properly respond just shows how unwilling you are to recognize your error in all this. Or if I somehow didn't understand what you said, you should clarify rather than being so dismissive. Otherwise you will continue to come across as that person who adamantly insists on being a jerk for no justifiable reason.
I will agree with you on the point that you were never arguing, though. It was more of a one-sided hate and self-righteousness spew with the target being surprisingly mature with his responses.
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what? when did i do that as i said i support both you and her in the whole thing about breasts not being pornographic
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oooh yes some stupid reported me!
but the rules are on my side, I'm safe hehe! XD
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Wow, are you that ignorant valsiak??!!😂😂
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i was being sincere, honest i was wishing good luck i wasnt being sarcastic
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Oh please, I am not going to waste my time talking to someone like you.
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That high horse you're on? Get off it. You're not a princess
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When did I say that? High horse?
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You didn't say that, it's a common phrase?? You're talking to valsiak as if they're below you, when you're actually arguing for the same point. You're being needlessly hostile and are proving nothing, valsiak agrees that it shouldn't reported but people will do it because they don't see the artistic use of this and are too immature to see it for what it really is.
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Judging the artist in an unlikely manner is not alright. Valsiak shouldn't just go and say that the artist herself was going to have a "bad time" when clearly she was not. Everyone on DA has seen breasts before. Art is art. This is the basis of first starting to draw out a women's upper body.
There nothing wrong with her giving drawing references to future artists. I was only trying to stick up for the artist herself.
Please do not get into other people's conversations.
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I agree, it's not alright, but not everyone on DA has seen breasts before because this site is open to 13 year olds who may not see this for what it's true use is.
I personally use this reference so yes, of course there's nothing wrong with it. You went past the point of sticking up for the artist when you began refusing to agree with valsiak, you weren't even arguing, it was nothing but you trying to tell them something they already knew and agreed with.
Please don't expect people not to if you post on a public site.
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Please leave me alone. I do not know you.
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You don't know valsiak and you didn't leave him alone. There's a point where you admit you were wrong, but I feel it would take years for you to get there, so with pleasure.
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Actually, I go to school with him.
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i'm not very talkative. i was just browsing, but there is a psychologist next door.
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Wow, whats your problem..what did he do to you?
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I really love those reference sheets you make! They've helped me a lot!!!! ^.^
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Thank you for this one! Drawing breasts are hard ;u; )/
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Looks very useful!!
Also,i agree with you ,there are no differences between males and females nipples...
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Of course there's breastfeeding but (I hope) that's not sexual
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god, men even have the equipment to produce milk just nobody knows it! The only difference is, that their breasts and milk glands dont get bigger and activate. We are all the same
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Thanks for this! Yeah, for me male torso are much easier, but females are just hard for me to draw since I think they have more of weird curves in shapes in them
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Wow , some people. This and the rest of the series are incredible anatomy references. Thank you for making these.
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I agree with you. Male and female nipples pratically look the same! And did ya know men can lactate to?
Its just the idiocy of society
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These reference sheets are great!! (And props for not marking as mature content. I 100% agree.)
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this isn't anywhere near porn? why are people freaking out xD
damn 9 year olds running around thinking every woman nipple is a sex thing
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preach!
but srsly tho i think they mean the nipple... when i saw this i was wondering why he put the nipple xD
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the nipple is part of anatomy and shouldn't be seen as a sex thing or anything bad ( since it does help us live when were babies xD )
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No one freaks out when it's a man's nipples. But for women? "NOO OTHIS HAS TO BE FLAGGGED. IT'S UNACCEPTABLE."
Political correctness is a funny thing.
Plus, the nipples in this help understand the general shape and placement better of...well...boobs. >w>; It's not like the artist details them intensely and makes them the main focus of the picture, either. Main focus here is to be a handy little reference for different female poses.
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Thank you for drawing realistic torsos, this makes me happy
[Also /yes/ references]
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This sheets you've been doing are very helpful. Thank you, Kibbi! you make this world a better place.
About the quasi-nipples, I think they are usefull to people to understand how breasts really work and how they move along with the torso movements. I was surprised there were people actually complainning about it.
I think the contrary happens to me. I draw pretty decent female torsos, but when it comes to males, I suck
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