HOME | DD
KingBradders — Not An Emo
Published: 2008-09-27 08:22:01 +0000 UTC; Views: 1392; Favourites: 61; Downloads: 13
Redirect to original
Description
...Related content
Comments: 65
hey thx 4 that tribute 2 me with the rise against comment
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
So you're saying "emo" applies only to teenagers? Thousands of kids think My Chemical Romance is emo, and those guys are writing songs in their 30's. Emotive hardcore evolved from hardcore punk with more experimentation and less aggressiveness; there's no way that Fall Out Boy has even a hint of hardcore punk.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I'm saying emo is written FOR teenagers as a primary audience. Adults write kids' TV shows.
Yes, Fallout Boy still has a little bit of attitude left from punk, about the same as Avril Lavigne. "Skater girl, punk all the way / At least that's what she's told to say.." Mostly what they have is a watered down version of the look, with the dyed black hair and eye makeup to make them look a little bit goth, and in the eyes of mainstream media, goth = alternate.
50 Cent doesn't have any punk to him, but the majority of modern rock acts do, if only in that they're making some statement of "we're not like all the other bands like us" or "the people who listen to our music aren't like the people who don't". Before Punk came along (and Madonna XD), people didn't really dress to match their musical tastes, and music wasn't part of a "lifestyle".
Thus we come back to the idea of the clique, the belonging to a social group/tribe known partly to themselves and mostly to everyone else as emo. Like any other clique (geek, rich, gangsta) there are some who dislike the negative perception and don't want to identify, but still like the music/fashion/trends, and there are those who see the negatives as worth it and embrace it fully. Myself, I'm a geek, and proud of it. (After that comes musician, hacker, artist, Briton, etc. etc...)
Music is one of the largest catalysts to clique/tribe culture, as it's a field where you can know the names and recognise the style instantly, and it's very easily accessible. The majority of -teenagers- would define themselves by their music (hence the popularity and feud between gangsta and emo, and the fashions of both); the majority of adults define their music by themselves. I'll listen to anything quirky and intersting so long as it's not urban, because while I identify with most genres, urban/gangsta/rap are not among them. There are, as always, exceptions.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
While it has become widely recognized as a fashion trend, stereotype, and a very loosely used word, my point is that "emo" is applied to things that are far from it. Fall Out Boy are referred to as an "emo" band, when they don't have the sound of an emo band (which is the only thing bands should be categorized by). Once something has become watered down, there's no point calling it what it once was. That's why what a lot of teenybopper kids think FOB is "emo" when in reality they would be classified as pop-rock at best.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
In fashion and culture, unfortunately it's what the majority think that matters, and the majority of fans would call Fall Out Boy emo. It's not just sound any more either, as I said earlier on; yes we SHOULD judge bands by sound alone, but video killed the radio star and all that. If people actually judged bands by music alone, there wouldn't be a multimillion dollar industry based on advertising how cool bands look to their listeners.
(Also wikipedia says so: "Fall Out Boy is an American Emo/Pop punk band from Wilmette, Illinois (a suburb of Chicago), that formed in 2001.")
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
But the majority has twisted a word to mean what it doesn't define. Emo has a specific sound which these newer bands simply don't have, and yet they are classified as such. It's been watered down and stripped of any resemblance to the original genre, and fits the genre of pop-rock much more appropriately.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Are you taliking about emo as in grunge? Becaue I agree fallout boy ain't grunge. Otherwise, it's not that the original has been watered down, rather that it's changed. Classical music from the 1890s is still classical, even though it doesn't have harpsichords in it.
And who's to say it can't be emo AND pop rock? Music, despite the world's best efforts, tends to be hard to pigeonhole. If you've ever heard an electric guitar used alongside an orchestra, you'll know what I mean (I heard that today...)
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Naw, they aren't grunge either (again, grunge has a specific sound and it's also died out for the most part). Classical generally refers to a time period, same with classic rock. It would make sense to call them pop-emo or something if they had resemblance to a true 80's emo band, but the general consensus is that they don't.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Classical generally is the genre (ie orchestras) rather than the time period. Movie music is usually classical, that'd be where most people hear it regularly.
And it's not the sound so much as the sensibility. Yes, it's not the original emo but it's what emo has come to mean, someone who wears makeup and dark clothes and is angsty. That, they fit very well indeed, along with MCR and so on.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Having an orchestra playing doesn't make the music classical. The Vitamin String Quartet plays hits from modern bands, like U2 and The White Stripes. They aren't playing classical music, they are playing rock music with orchestral instruments. Similarly, playing Eine Kleine Nachtmusik on a Stratocaster doesn't make it rock, it's still a classical arrangement. The term "classical" wasn't used for a majority of the time that the music flourished, indicating that it does indeed refer to the time period. Arrangements of music performed by orchestras today are referred to as contemporary orchestral arrangements or something similar.
Again, musicians shouldn't be classed into any genre based on anything but their sound. If Gwen Stefani dressed "gothic" and still produced the same type of music she always has, does it make her music goth-rock?
In short, Fall Out Boy can dress and act however they want, but they're still playing pop-rock.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
How do forces not affect genre? If the Vitamin String Quartet play classical arrangements of rock music, then they're playing classical music. It just happened to start out as rock. If they played it by JUST replacing guitars with violins, bass with cello, kept the drums, THEN it would be a different story, but if they're playing it with a full orchestra it ain't rock no more. Or at least, not completely. Again, pigeonholes and music do not mix, but people try to force it so. Likewise Eine Kleine on strat: if they play somethign written specifically FOR guitar, then it's rock. If it was written for orchestra and they happen to be playing the flute part, then it's classical.
There are some gothic elements to Stefani's music anyways, but she would have to change the arrangement and probably lyrical content of her songs. BUT, Fall Out Boy still play emo music, the modern, popular definition of emo, meaning that it deals with shallow pubescent feelings of angst, isolation, jealosy and so on. The look reinforces the music. You're right in that musicians can dress and act however they want, but a metal band that stood perfectly still wearing tuxedos would be accused of not trying, and wouldn't have many fans. Look shouldn't affect music, but unfortunately it does, and that's the world we live in. Likewise, emo has moved on from emotive hardcore and now consists mainly of writing bad poetry about "deep" feelings and events that sound cool; protest all you like, emo has been assimilated into mainstream culture and has changed and somewhat disneyfied, to make it clearer and "more accessible".
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
no it doesn't. my cousin likes fall out boy and he's more chav than emo altho he is actually neither
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
