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Athens subway train, a day in August 2008.Kodak Tri-X 400 b&w negative film, pushed by 1 stop (800), developed in Rodinal (1+50 solution). Scan from negative.
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i s . t h i s . street . o r . u n d e r . s t r e e t ?
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literally talking, this is under street. Under the streets of Athens.
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i . c a n . s e e . t h a t
s o . w h y . i n . "street" o f . YARD ?
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Do you think street photography actually requires a "street"?
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r e a d . t h e . YARD . a d v i c e s
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Do you mean this one:
[link]
First sentence: Street photography is NOT pictures of streets
First Link ( [link] ) : Street photography is a type of photography that features subjects in candid situations within public places such as streets, parks, beaches, malls, political conventions and other settings.
Second Link ( [link] ) : 2. A public place
This can be out in the streets or at the beach or inside a hotel's lounge or in a diner place or inside a supermarket or a mall or a school or whatever PUBLIC place. This public place must be visible in our picture. And things must be happening in this public place.
3. People
Exactly, people! We need people in candid situations. Definition of "candid" from Merriam-Webster's online dictionary: "subjects acting naturally or spontaneously without being posed" Definition of "candid" from Wikipedia: Candid photography is best described as un-posed and unplanned, immediate and unobtrusive. This is in contrast to classic photography, which includes aspects such as carefully staged portrait photography, landscape photography or object photography. Candid photography catches moments of life from immersion in it.
Shall I go on? I am rather bored.
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Yes i have
I think you YARD's and i am one from the beggining are getting boring with your apreciation of the photos that people submit
I have photos that are refused and are faved by the staff att the same time
I think that there are some of you "staff" that think are the master's of photography but we must learn all the time and think before say no
I know lot's of people that are not submiting to YARD because of that "elitism" strange and yes rather BORING
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Well first of all, we should discuss as adults, not as crying babies because we had a photo rejected.
Now that we can leave that aside, let's move to whatever else you are saying.
YARD is not something homogenic. Different people, different opinions, different tastes and apparently different views on photography. Most of the time I find myself disagreeing with what others vote or write. That is why in order to accept a photo in the YARD 6 votes are required - if we all saw things the same way, we would only need one vote.
Just to see how childishly you are behaving, read the comments on this photo that I submitted to the Yard not long ago: [link]
Mary is a yard admin by the way, though I pretty sure you know that. And by the way, if you are not b o r e d check the favs in this same photo and you'll see other admins of the Yard actually faving it.
Noone said we are masters of photography. Each one has his own vision. But since I dont feel like apologizing, you should consider that when you submit a photo to wherever (be it a dA club, a magazine, a competition whatever) there is not a unanimous truth or value (that is why we consider it "art" and not "science" - me or you cannot prove an artwork's value). Each time, there is a panel of judges, curators, editors, name them as you like. You are judged by their own personal vision. And that is the reason why you may see a photo rejected here and accepted there.
Now if you were Bresson or Davidson, most probably you would have more accepts than rejects, but hey you are not (neither am I). And even if you were, I am pretty sure that you would have rejects! Go show unretouched photos to a studio photography guy and you are guaranteed a denial.
Unfortunately, dA is a "beauty" competition, a popularity contest. It has been like that ever since I joined the site, 7 years ago. Favs mean nothing. As well as stupid comments, like emoticons clapping and "wow", "I like his hair", bla bla bla. This is not a critique site (how many really meaningful comments do you receive per photo? ). I found that the hard way, when I had my first real photography workshop and I had my work critiqued by true professional photographers and a lot of things that I considered good thrown to the dustbin. It was good because I learnt my lesson: you become better by actually studying and expanding your horizons. Not just by visiting a forum and writing f a n c y t h i n g s . By the way, I do not consider myself a good photographer (maybe a good technician, though even that is arguable).
In my view the YARD is not an expression of "Street Photography Now". It expresses the viewpoint of the people behind it. Simple as that. I dont think that I would do anyone a favor by saying "yes" to a photo I consider is not that great. I would be a fake. And I would not help a bit the one who submitted it. I may be wrong and hey! he can always prove me wrong!
On the other hand elitism would be if I accepted a photo just because it was shot with a 5000 euro camera. Or... by doing what you wrote in the last picture that you submitted:
a s . y o u . k n o w . i . w o n . t h e . 2011 PHOTO magazine contest . a n d . t h e . p r i z e . w a s . a . c a m e r a . Fuji X10
t r y i n g . t o . m a k e . g r e a t . p h o t o s . w i t h . a . s m a l l . c a m e r a
Accepting a photograph because its photographer is "this name" or "the other" and rejecting other people's work. I am sorry, but I dont do that. When I vote in the Yard I check the single photo that is submitted. I dont do a background check on who submitted it. And I only look the technical details if there is something that bothers me or I am trying to understand (e.g. concerning the level of post-processing, the cropping etc).
People who are not submitting to the YARD because of fear of getting rejected has nothing to do with elitism of the club. Submitting a photograph even to the public, makes it open to criticism and judging. If one feels afraid to do that, he should keep his photos for himself or maybe show them just to his friends - basically only to the ones he is sure are going to applaud him. I dont like to be an applauder. I am sorry. I prefer to be honest. I have written a few articles in the YARD and you can see how I express myself when I see something worthy.
By the way, I am pretty sure that you as well as a great number of members and watchers of the YARD, are actually in the YARD because they like what they see. And what they see are our selections. Would you stay in the YARD if you knew that every crappy photo you may take will be accepted? Would you join a club that would have thousands of photos from which you would only choose a handful and consider them worthy? What is the value in that? What is the challenge in that? How do you improve yourself if whatever you do, gets accepted in the context of "let's not discourage him"? How do you define a work that may actually be worthy in the eyes of other people (come on in our own eyes, most of our photos are nice, because it is our work!! And we like to photograph! ) ?
If you ask me, I think we should be even stricter. I would like a club that when I open my inbox, I receive true inspiration and each photo is worth a fav. I would like this challenge, so that I can improve myself. So that I know, that if my photo is there, it is a good one. I can show it to people.
To close this because I feel that I have already written too much. If I were a "master of photography", I would not be here. I would not spend my time in the YARD or dA or most probably these comments. Think about that.
Cheers!
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WOW ! I will ignore the first sentence because is not the case
I have a lot of photos accepted by the Yard and i also accept when they are declined and i always say thank you in both cases.
It's you that don't like my "thank you" and answer not polite
I already know everything you wrote, because this is not the first time this type of conversation happens
You are right about the lack of interest if everything was accepted and for sure must be photos declined, but i think that even in art we must have same criteria and not only i like or not and sometimes i really don't understand why a photo be declined or not
I keep myself in the YARD because i like several of the staff members, i didn't know you and i went to check what you do and i make my mind about it...
So forget all
I know what i am doing in photography and for sure i am not a Bresson
Best regards
José
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Ok, let's calm down. Different day, calmer situations. I realize that some of the discussion here is attributed to the fact that we both are not native english speakers and we interpret things a little bit differently. I apologize if I was rude, but I considered the "thank you" in the photo of yours that was rejected an ironic comment. And I didn't like that, 'cause I found it disrespectful.
In art I believe that it is impossible to have the same criteria. As I wrote before, art is not science and therefore there is not a well-defined methodology with a deterministic result. If it were like that, we could all achieve at least a certain level of status. Just like engineering. There is defined way and methodology that if you follow it, you'll arrive to at least an acceptable result. Now if you are super clever, talented and so on, you may make masterpieces, but that is a different story.
In photography, following some guidelines (e.g. technical rules - the skill part - and some composition rules) will give you photos that are ok. But really worthy images are not just ok, are they? (that is why I wrote you that I consider myself a better technician rather than a great photographer, which I know I am not).
Furthermore, art is something that speaks directly to the heart, not just the mind. The way we interpret an image is totally dependent on who we are, where we are coming from (e.g. it is very important to realize that people from the western world see images completely differently than people from the eastern world! ), what are our beliefs (photos related to political beliefs or god or whatever are sure to have a completely different impact on people who are different! See for example art movements originating in the Soviet Union post communism era, see propaganda works, etc etc). Above that, I do not expect someone who has studied art and photography to have the same vision and appreciation of a specific work with someone who has just started to take photos and most importantly who has not yet a visual background on photography. In your first steps of photography, could you really appreciate most of the conceptual work? I didn't, because I could not understand it. It took me years to mature and realize what is behind it (and a lot of studying, educating, talking to people, attending workshops and exhibitions etc etc).
So no. There cannot be the same criteria among different people (heck! why are we just talking about art? How many times have you found yourself admiring a girl or a car that the person next to you actually dislikes??? 
See my articles on the YARD and you'll see that there is a reasoning behind photos that I like. It's not just an impulse (well, sometimes it is!
Well, again I wrote too much! I am carried out. 
Best regards! Keep on photographing and above all keep on having fun while photographing, no matter the outcome (except if you are a pro and your income depends on that 
Andreas
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No need to calm down because i am always calm
You are right about the english and is not easy to explain myself.
Art is not a science, i agree with you, but i must tell you that i am an 58 years old architect and almost everyday i mix art with science to make my projects and as far as my clients say they are great and they are published. That is important to me as a photographer because when i took a photo and i took only one photo o a subject because i think that was the right moment i in a fraction of a second compose it in my mind and my fingers do the rest with the camera. I start with film 45 years ago, i have the 3 years course of the Portuguese Photography Institut, i work as a reporter in a magazine for six years all around the Europe, i make fashion and advertising photos for magazines, books for models agencies and finally my first book saw the light (ADVERTISING) contrast for good and bad of advertising in cities and next year will be "Streets od European Cities" because what i love more in photography is walking around in the cities and catch people and situations with my feeling (i also have a discussion about the use of lens in street with an YARD) because i think that we can have a fantastic street photo with a 300mm and not necessarily with a 24 or 35mm.
So as far as you can see i am an architect with a long life in photography, but not a Bresson of course you are right.
In the YARD i think it must be a master guide line even if we speak of pure art and i do not agree that just one vote can decline a photo, is not fair, me thinking ...
About your gallery i only pick a photo just to answer you about street, or under street, but i will took a better look, as you can do with mine...
DA for me is a way to learn with fantastic photographers that have they work here and i already make a lot of friends that i try to meet in person on my trips and i did that and it's an amazing experience, i think people like my work, because in numbers i got 7 DD's , almost 2500 watchers and 120.000 page views what is not bad, i think.
If you saw last week i had another declined photo and i also say thank you, not sarcastic, but polite. because to accept or decline you must look at the photo and make a state of mind and that deserves a thank you, and Annieta answer me not to be disapointed with the decline and it was a pleasent conversation
Hoping that we improve our "talk" wish you all the best and be sure i have lot's of fun with photographing even with the incomes, but better with my travels
Best regards
José
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Very atmospheric. Like out of a thriller.
Just brilliant!
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pwpw o pappous se exei perasei apo aktinografia!!!
oute gia gampros tou na phgenes
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Giati mwre??? Xaneis thn eukairia na synanthseis gamatous anthrwpous san kai emena! 
Thanx!
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peeping andrea ... :-p
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kata tou peeping tom....peeping andrea!
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Fuck! Peeping tom???? Nten leitourgei to myaloudaki tetoia wra.....
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wx! mexri kai to magenta to eixe telika.......... e oxi kai peeping tom!!! :klaps: :fallenangel:
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koita blemma o mparmpas apo pisw...
kakws pantws...ena mail toulaxiston eprepe na to pareis..
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Iksere kai o mparmpas... ti ton perases???
Ti na to kanw to mail reeeee!!!! Oute onoma den ematha! Kammene kompioutera!
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gia na ftaseis sto mail 8a shmaine oti exeis ola ta prohgoumena.
kompioutera na peis ton eauto sou. oust!
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Kai epanalambanw.... apo to mail tha ekleina rantevou??? Na mou eleges gia kana thlephwno na pw entaksei.....
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oxou periergos eisai re aderfaki mouuu
genika to lew! na kaneis contact (oxi auto me to xarti)
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endiaferon (auto me to xarti)
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???? Ti mhxanh thn eixes sta podia sou kai travikses?
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Yeap! Kathomoun sto akribws apenanti kathisma me thn mhxanh sta podia mou panw kai perimena ena shmeio pou na exei poly thorybo!
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