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Fetus (first trimester):[link]: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth
Baby:[link]
: An infant; a newborn child.
A fetus is not a baby. Not even close.
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ghostwolfen In reply to ??? [2011-04-23 21:36:11 +0000 UTC]
Kidney transplants are one thing raiseing a human-being is another and is also life lasting.
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ghostwolfen In reply to AxisEnigma [2011-04-28 13:12:36 +0000 UTC]
I was stating this (sorry it was late at night when I wrote this I should get more shut eye ) basically a kidney transplant is an operation and after-care and maybe a few life-stlye changes. A human-being is a baby,a toddler,a teenager,an adult your offspring which involves you for the rest of your life. Ok so a transplant is a big operation (not argueing against that). But having a child is more then just effecting yourself in the long-run that child is you and will be your life untill they are old enough to look after themselves.
Not just an operation and a small lifestlye change (I know this because my aunt had a transplant wasn't pleasent in the slightest but its so so different from having a baby).
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AxisEnigma In reply to ghostwolfen [2011-04-29 03:11:15 +0000 UTC]
You do know adoption is an option right?
Anyways i can see you respect my point of view and i see a lot of respect in that its self. Unlike some of the other people that commented on my comment. Thanks for that
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ghostwolfen In reply to AxisEnigma [2011-04-29 08:59:23 +0000 UTC]
*Even though someone has a different view to yourself deos not give you the right to be dis-respectful and rude. I enjoy a good debate yes but that deosn't mean I'm go all "I HATE YOU D8< NOW" lol*
Yeah I know, though I'm one of those pro-choicers who believe that yes its the women's right. But I don't agree to using abortion as just a form of birth control but I do agree to it as a "last resort" if the suituation calls for it and its needed . No problem at all thanks for being respectful yourself ^^.
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AxisEnigma In reply to ghostwolfen [2011-04-30 19:17:05 +0000 UTC]
i am glad that some people on the net are civlized (such as yourself)
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Kotego In reply to ??? [2011-04-23 21:34:58 +0000 UTC]
if someone had the potential to get a kidney transplant they needed would you deny them?
No, but that's a choice. I highly doubt you'd like it if you were forced to give up your kidney for a dying person without having a single say in it.
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AxisEnigma In reply to Kotego [2011-04-26 22:36:11 +0000 UTC]
wow what is with you people! dont you know organ donations are vokluntary? seriously? there is a difference between have a donated kidney shortage and a fetus removing shortage. One you cant do much about and the other shouldnt be around in the first place
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Kotego In reply to AxisEnigma [2011-04-26 22:44:29 +0000 UTC]
No shit, but you made the example of giving up your kidney in comparison to giving up your body for a parasite. However in many cases women are forced into pregnancy, so I'm only asking if you'd like to be forced to do some medical procedure you wouldn't want to - such as being forced to give up a kidney.
The point is, no one else has to give up their body against their will, why should women have to?
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AxisEnigma In reply to Kotego [2011-04-29 03:08:12 +0000 UTC]
In all truth i would not risist giving one of my kidneys to a person that needs such a thing to continue living. And how is a fetus a paracite? are you some sort of child hater?
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Kotego In reply to AxisEnigma [2011-04-29 21:25:36 +0000 UTC]
Not everyone would be willing to do what you would. That doesn't mean they should be forced to.
A fetus isn't a child, and yes, it's a parasite. It feeds upon the mother for survival.
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AxisEnigma In reply to Kotego [2011-04-30 19:15:21 +0000 UTC]
No, no one should be forced to donate... that would ruin the point of donating it.
so your saying all fetuses are evil parasitic creatures?
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Kotego In reply to AxisEnigma [2011-04-30 19:49:50 +0000 UTC]
Who said evil? LOL, I'm not stating this on an emotional basis, scientifically that's what they are.
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AxisEnigma In reply to Kotego [2011-04-30 19:53:16 +0000 UTC]
well, there are times when scientific terminology is not respectable
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Septagons In reply to ??? [2011-04-23 20:04:32 +0000 UTC]
I hate when you get the same excuse from the anti abortionists. "Abortion is equivalent to murder! If the fetus had a say it would scream "life!" you don't fucking know that! How do you know the fetus will enjoy his/her life once he/she is born? If the mother or father doesn't want the thing, you think they're going to give the child proper love? Probably not, as a result the child will grow up feeling unloved and most likely be corrupt. It's not fair to the child or parent. And sure you could argue "give the child up for adoption if you don't want he/she yourself" but you have to consider how many kids are already in adoption agencies right now. For every kid that gets a new home, ten don't...well something like that, you get the point. Even at that maybe the kid won't like their new family. If you're not ready to be a parent or become pregnant from rape or incest...you can't tell me anyone would WANT the baby. MY choice MY fucking body. And I can tell you, if I was EVER in that position without hesitation I would abort the thing. Not because I am "evil" or a "murderer" simply because I know where that soon to be baby came from and its definitely not a place filled with joy and happy memories. Imagine when the kid gets older and ever asks, "hey mom, who is my father?" you're either going to tell him/her the truth of either scenario, "oh hun, I'm not even sure...I was raped by some random guy and then decided to have you." or "daddy raped me...technically I'm your sister and mother. You're a spawn of incest." oh the love and joy...what a beautiful way to come into the world! And lying to them is just as bad because the guilt will eat at you your whole life, and they deserve to know the truth. Sure it will keep them innocent, but how is that fair? Everyone gets curious and wants answers, but to lie to their faces their whole lives? I can't even fathom doing such a thing! Idk I guess I'm a pretty honest and curious person myself so I can understand the feeling. So after all this you anti abortionists can't tell me I DON'T UNDERSTAND I've looked into this ALOT and all in all I think women should have the right to choose. I mean sure it would be one thing to abort every time you get pregnant just because of laziness or something, BUT most people that end up aborting have a good reason behind it. Besides is it really anyone's business why you chose "not to have the kid" quit shoving your opinions up my vagina. That goes for people like Sarah Palin, what a stupid bitch! STFU woman you have no right to tell me what I can and can't do with MY body.
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Kotego In reply to Septagons [2011-04-23 20:10:05 +0000 UTC]
Yeah. Many anti-abortionists seem to think abortions involve the same scenario: "Oooopsies, I got pregnant, better go get an abortion, durr hurr!", when many instances are far unique than that.
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Septagons In reply to Kotego [2011-04-24 02:45:54 +0000 UTC]
Yes I know for a fact because my mother had an abortion before I was born. But that was because she knew the child was going to be born with down syndrome. It wouldn't have been fair to the kid any how...not to be mean but I'd hate to be that way =/
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Kotego In reply to Septagons [2011-04-24 02:47:46 +0000 UTC]
It was her choice. And I don't think you're mean, I have to agree.
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Septagons In reply to Kotego [2011-04-25 02:48:52 +0000 UTC]
I'm glad you understand that I know some people get really offended by stuff like that. Especially families that have had autistic kids or ones with down syndrome. That's fine if they're okay with their kids the way they are. But some of us feel it is unfair for the kid anyhow and better aborting.
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sarawtf In reply to ??? [2011-04-23 19:14:06 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for this.
How I wish anti-choicers would mind their own bloody business.
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Lilac-Vrt-Olligoci In reply to ??? [2011-04-23 17:42:33 +0000 UTC]
I'm all for taking responsibility for your pregnancy and sex, but I am against abortion cause of those idiotic mistakes. However, forcing 12 year old girls to give birth when their father/stepfather raped her and possibly kill both her and the baby is just... yeah. I'm in the middle, sadly, us middle people will NEVER get a chance to speak up. <___>
Pro-Lifers, please explain THAT logistic.
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Kotego In reply to Lilac-Vrt-Olligoci [2011-04-23 17:44:08 +0000 UTC]
I can somewhat agree about the idiotic mistakes, however I think it'd be pretty cruel to a child to be raised/given up by a complete idiot.
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Lilac-Vrt-Olligoci In reply to Kotego [2011-04-23 18:21:53 +0000 UTC]
I totally agree with you. *nodlet*
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Misandrie In reply to Kotego [2011-04-23 17:38:39 +0000 UTC]
It's very easy to make such a clear line, whitch isn't clear at all.
(I'm very sorry for my bad english, it's not my mothers tongue)
If a fetus keeps growing, it becomes a baby.
I'm pro-choice too, don't get me wrong!
It's like saying a seed is not a flower.
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Kotego In reply to Misandrie [2011-04-23 17:42:49 +0000 UTC]
It's true it's not easy to draw a straight line between them. And I understand most of what you're saying.
Well, technically a seed really isn't a flower, it's a potential for one.
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Misandrie In reply to Kotego [2011-04-23 17:47:21 +0000 UTC]
Maybe it's also a big cultural difference.
I think it's not important if an embryo/fetus can be called a baby or not, in the end it depends if the mother herself can accept killing something that has the potential to be a baby (to keep with the flowers).
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Kotego In reply to Misandrie [2011-04-23 17:48:10 +0000 UTC]
Yes, that's also very true.
Like you said, it all really depends on the mother.
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DiantoZaron In reply to ??? [2011-04-23 17:15:44 +0000 UTC]
Nice propaganda. How about actual science? As: "two different stages of the same LIVING being, specifically a human being."
Stop mystifying, people. Grow up and take your own responsabilities, instead.
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Kotego In reply to DiantoZaron [2011-04-23 17:16:59 +0000 UTC]
I don't deny it's living
Abortion is taking responsibility
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DiantoZaron In reply to Kotego [2011-04-23 18:53:18 +0000 UTC]
First responsibility: abort stupidity...If only, if only.
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shinyzombie In reply to ??? [2011-04-23 09:58:44 +0000 UTC]
Gah, thank you! Glad someones finally seeing this.
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Cubivore10 In reply to ??? [2011-04-23 06:55:26 +0000 UTC]
To say it's "not even close" is a bit of a stretch.
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stull In reply to ??? [2011-04-23 06:36:51 +0000 UTC]
Hm... Well I don't really feel one way or another about abortion, but regardless of the fact that a fetus is by no definition, a 'baby', it is still 'a living organism' or 'life'. It does not have to be in the final stages of development for death to be a reality.
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Kotego In reply to stull [2011-04-23 12:13:25 +0000 UTC]
I don't deny it's a life. However the two aren't the same.
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ephoria516 In reply to ??? [2011-04-23 05:59:57 +0000 UTC]
Oh dear, look at the giant can of worms you just opened! But if you want to get technical, these words do have two separate meanings. People use them interchangeably, but it's not necessarily correct.
However, to me the bottom line is acknowledging life.
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Kotego In reply to ephoria516 [2011-04-23 12:14:53 +0000 UTC]
It's certainly entertaining
I acknowledge it has a life, however it's nothing like a baby's.
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Alias-TheWriter In reply to ephoria516 [2011-04-23 06:36:52 +0000 UTC]
Not the worms!!!
I was saving those sonsofbitches for later! D:
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ephoria516 In reply to Alias-TheWriter [2011-04-23 06:40:37 +0000 UTC]
Too late, they've escaped! You CANNOT GET THEM BACK! I'm sad for you lol.
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Alias-TheWriter In reply to ephoria516 [2011-04-23 06:43:27 +0000 UTC]
DAMMIT!
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE WORMS COST ME!!!
$5! I got ripped the FUCK off!
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kharmachaos In reply to ??? [2011-04-23 05:47:38 +0000 UTC]
What the frick? Are you REALLY that politically correct?
You know what, that is absolutely horrible. They ARE living. They ARE existing. And the mothers ARE connected to their children, whether you selfish people like it or not. It is so completely SELFISH to say, "It's fine to kill these unborn children to reduce the problems in society" Because guess what? It ISN'T.
Every poisoned unborn baby, every snipped spinal cord is one child that will never laugh by their their mother's side, never walk upon the carpet drawing sunflowers and stick people on the walls, and point out the wonderful things in life in their godly childish innocence.
You should be ashamed of yourselves, every single one of you! I was once a fetus. You were once A FETUS. Does that make you any less human? Does that making mass murder right?
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