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Fetus (first trimester):[link]: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth
Baby:[link]
: An infant; a newborn child.
A fetus is not a baby. Not even close.
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It's more selfish to force a woman to keep a baby she doesn't want. Sorry, but the woman is more important than the parasite.
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What if the woman was raped?
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Then we help support her. If we succeed, then we have a new child in the world and someone able to take care of him/her.
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Because leaving the woman emotionally scared adding more unwanted kids to the already mass of unwanted kids and a child knowing it was a redult of being raped is A-Okay
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Ok, fair enough.
What if a 15-year old girl is raped?
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Same thing. Fifteen year-olds need support too- Except probably with different sources- parents, family members, etc.
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So abortions are evil no matter what?
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You want me to say it simple? Yes.
I've already explained why I think so, so really, end of discussion.
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Well you haven't "god" or "against religion" so I was willing to listen. Seriously not everyone follows religion.
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Wait, so if I said that you would've not wanted to listen, just because of that...? That's kind of messed up, even from MY standpoint.
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There's a reason I became agnostic.
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Well, hey, Some of them are worth the listening to. I've met quite a few that have very valid points and interesting ways of thinking. Different way of life, after all.
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I seen people who says Homosexuality is bad and backed it up with "The bible says so". End of discussion.
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I'm gonna come to the quick conclusion that you're an overly emotional idiot. Then again, I can't prove those facts cause everybody already stated them.
By the way Mass Murder also = Kristallnacht, Rhwanda Genocide, and the Nanking Genocide/Rape. So you're pretty much saying killing fetuses is about as bad as killing full grown adult beings who actually HAD sentience and emotion.
... Yeah, I think you need to put your priorities straight.
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And a quick, hasty conclusion it is.
Yeah, that's kind of obvious, that those all are genocides. And yes, I AM comparing this killing with "actually sentient and emotional" because, no matter what ANY of you say, this is killing of living things. One complete generation have already been eradicated because of your self-justification and selfishness. Have you ever considered if YOUR parents have decided to be rid of your problems? To kill you before you are even born? That wouldn't make them good parents, wouldn't it?
I think YOU need to set your priorities straight.
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Lol then I wouldn't have ever known nor cared. I probably would have been in the conscious of another person, as I believe in reincarnation.
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Which brings up the question- is it better to have lived once, or to have never existed?
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Personally, I don't care about your questions, so I'll just ignore you for now.
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Which is actually pretty mutual. So yeah, I'm going to ask my questions elsewhere and get answers and learn, while you just ignore. Have fun with that.
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Have you ever considered if YOUR parents have decided to be rid of your problems? To kill you before you are even born? That wouldn't make them good parents, wouldn't it?
If my mom aborted me, I wouldn't have known nor cared. And I don't think that would have made her a bad parent; it's her body, her choice. Do you even realize most women who get abortions are married and already have children?
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I beg to differ on that you say you wouldn't have cared, but you simply wouldn't believe me.
Then what about her existent children? If she ever said to them, "I just removed a problem." They would have been happy. But if she said what she had actually done, "I just killed your baby brother or sister." Would they then be happy for her decision?
Sometimes, it's better to ask the children, because they won't allow their beliefs to cloud their judgment of right and wrong.
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I beg to differ on that you say you wouldn't have cared, but you simply wouldn't believe me.
It's kinda hard to care when you're insentient.
Then what about her existent children? If she ever said to them, "I just removed a problem." They would have been happy. But if she said what she had actually done, "I just killed your baby brother or sister." Would they then be happy for her decision?
They might care, they might not. I wouldn't care if my mother had an abortion now. However none of it really matters since it's not my choice to make.
Sometimes, it's better to ask the children, because they won't allow their beliefs to cloud their judgment of right and wrong.
Do you mean the fetus or the children already existing?
If it's the latter, it doesn't really matter what they think anyway. It's the woman's choice.
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No one said they're not living. 
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I think you need to re-read the entire description and most of the comments here.
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The description says nothing about fetuses not being living things.
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Logically, if you guys said they WERE living, then that would be admitting that you are killing them.
And I doubt you guys would do that.
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Uh... abortion is killing the fetus. I certainly don't deny that, because it is not the issue. The issue is whether killing a fetus is murder; and, therefore, we must decide when a fetus becomes a person.
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And at the moment of conception, life is created.
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Well duh. Cells are alive. Plants are alive. Animals are alive. The matter of life is irrelevant. The matter of what qualifies an organism for personhood, however, is relevant.
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The fact that a fetus will become a baby if it survives is enough to categorize it as a human to me.
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I'm not going into technicalities here. Your point is invalid when you do so, I find.
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Your point was invalid regardless.
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And the same I could say to you.
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So your stateing that every human being born will be like that? true a baby could grow up to be many things. However it could also be a murderer,drug-dealer,abusive alcoholic,theif all those things too. Its the mothers life and choice as well just because you can push a baby out deosn't mean its the right thing to do "just because you can deosn't mean that you should". NOT all mothers are good mothers either and it could leave to abandoning the child or even putting it into care.
Basically it depends on many things and many suituations but as I said before its the mothers choice and her descision as its her body and a baby isn't a baby for life. It soon grows up to be an adult so having a baby isn't just that its raising a responsible human law-abideing adult and thats not so easy to do.
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But there is the chance that these unborn children could also grow up to help the world and the people in it. They could decide to become a soldier, protecting their country. A teacher, teaching our future generations. A doctor, healing our hurt and abused. A businessman/woman, helping our economy.
"It's better to try to be good then never to try at all."
It does depend on many things. But we shouldn't kill the baby because of something WE can't do. That would be like cutting off your arm because you don't wash it.
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I didn't disagree with that however you cannot think like that of the its buts and maybes (its like saying when your 30 "I wish I went and re-did my course at uni) life just deosn't work like that at all. But along with the positives you have to think of the negetives. Sometimes too much of the good is a bad thing and can have other under-lining impacts. I don't think that your thinking clearly at all on the aspect to raise a human-being there are so many other things then giving birth or conception thats only the start. Also what if the mother deosn't want a baby or the baby could be rasied in an abusive household? I don't see how "fair" or "good on the child or mother" that would be at all. Thinking that you are being "good" or "helpful" in most suituations can sadly back-fire or kick you back in the face. Food,water and a roof over your head isn't a "life" its simply existing and that existence can really hurt someone.
If I ever become a mother I will be proud to say "I didn't just push this baby out for the sake of existence but the sake of life".
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Technically, we're both thinking of the ifs, Ands, and maybes. Because that's entirely what life is. Ifs, Ands, or maybes.
Yes, sometimes. But in others, it can really make a difference.
My point is, let them have the chance to grow up and choose for themselves. Good can happen, Bad can happen. We can stop the bad, and maybe even change it to good. But if we stop the good, then we are hurting ourselves.
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Not that at all I was just stateing to you what could also happen comparing to your agruement also the under-lieing issues not me plainly stateing that all babies are going to grow up totally bad or totally good. Now you are implying things that possibly wouldn't even happen. All I'm saying is it is the womens choice in the end and not yours or mine, good or bad its her body and her life after that. As I have already stated to you a baby is not always a baby and raiseing it to be a human-being with equal values its more demanding on life then anything else. Sometimes the descision to get an abortion is better then existence for the sake of an existence.
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(Agh, please use proper grammar. I can barely understand you.)
You say it's the woman's choice to let live or not. It Should be the child's choice to survive and prosper or not. End of discussion.
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I'm sorry I am not totally english (though I know its perfectly understandable), however personally you are going off the point XD. Still I say a child is not a child untill its living and breathing thus the dictionary definition of a living-being. Not a parasite that cannot cope outside of the womb which is no where near a baby and wouldn't even know otherwise if its so called "life was taken" if you can call it that anyway. -end of discussion- have a nice day
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You too. At least you were more civil then some of the others.
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I always am not everyones going to think the same as myself I have been brought up to think that way.
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Every egg of mine that dies each month will never grow up either. Baww.
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What about all the other sperm that lost the race to the egg, huh? No one ever thinks about those poor souls.
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may i ask you something?
when you said "Every poisoned unborn baby, every snipped spinal cord is one child that will never laugh by their their mother's side, never walk upon the carpet drawing sunflowers and stick people on the walls, and point out the wonderful things in life in their godly childish innocence." did you even once take into account that sometimes, a mother isn't able to do that for her child? or that sometimes, that mother is unfit to be a mother? or even, what if the baby's birth endangers the life of the mother? or if the baby will be born in such a way that they'll never get to experience those things? what if the mom lives in an abusive household? are you really going to put a child throuhg any of that?
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