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Fetus (first trimester):[link]: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth
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: An infant; a newborn child.
A fetus is not a baby. Not even close.
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I understand what you mean. But are any of those really the child's fault? Some of those are actually our fault, and some of them just happen.
Keep in mind, Hitler wanted a perfect society. And I ask you, is it justified for killing to be the means to get there?
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of course none of it is the child's fault. but do you want a child to be raised in those kinds of conditions? do you want to put a child through such pain and misery?
killing is not justified no matter what the cause. but, would you support just forgetting all about the fetus once it becomes an infant? would you okay with the mother placing the child in an overcrowded, underfunded orphanage?
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I'm getting sick of repeating myself. I humbly ask you to read all my other responses to the other.... What, seven people that responded to me.
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Don't wanna explain? Then don't respond. 
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Crud, I'm sorry, I actually responded to you with what I wanted to say to another person. >_>
So yeah, whatever.
I've completely forgotten what you said.
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No, I don't think you have the wrong person, I just stepped into the conversation.
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What the frick? Are you REALLY that politically correct?
This has nothing to do with political correctness, these are actual definitions.
You know what, that is absolutely horrible. They ARE living. They ARE existing. And the mothers ARE connected to their children, whether you selfish people like it or not
I don't deny they live, exist and connect. However it's the woman's choice if she wants that or not.
. It is so completely SELFISH to say, "It's fine to kill these unborn children to reduce the problems in society" Because guess what? It ISN'T.
You know what else is selfish? Forcing a woman to give birth, then ignoring every existance of the baby as it possibly leads a life of misery in an orphanage already jam-packed with thousands of other unwanted children.
Funny how you people don't adopt these children you claim to love.
Every poisoned unborn baby, every snipped spinal cord is one child that will never laugh by their their mother's side, never walk upon the carpet drawing sunflowers and stick people on the walls, and point out the wonderful things in life in their godly childish innocence.
It can also be one child that will never cry for the pain they've received, never to point out the terrible experiences they've lived through their hellhole of an existance. Life isn't "happy, happy fun tiem!!!1!!" where all babies can be born and frolic through a field of flowers and gumdrops.
You should be ashamed of yourselves, every single one of you! I was once a fetus. You were once A FETUS. Does that make you any less human? Does that making mass murder right?
Well, guess what? I'm not ashamed. I'm proud. Fucking deal with it.
Yes, I was once a fetus. And you know what? Sometimes I wish I was aborted. Sometimes I want to kill myself. I'v suffered from depression and it's a fucking nightmare. Come back when you've gotten a taste of reality.
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2: So if you don't deny they exist, live, or connect, doesn't that mean you approve of the killing of living things?
3: ignoring the existence? That seems to be OUR fault, not the child's fault.
I tell you, if ALL of us would work to FIX our problems instead of state them, then those children would be in loving homes in the first place.
Also, I am too young to adopt yet. But when I finally reach the age, I will adopt. I promise you and myself that I will WORK for a better future for our children.
4: Yeah, that much is obvious. And I want to tell you something. I was hurt. I was abused. I was bullied. I was once suicidal. And I want to say that I don't regret a single part of my life. Because I CHOSE to became a stronger person. I was a miracle baby, someone who shouldn't have survived but did so against the odds. AND I'M GLAD TO BE ALIVE.
5: Once proud of something, you approve of it.
Some murderers, torturers, and rapists are proud of what they do. Be happy then.
The whole point of going through hardships is to become stronger, better. However, one of two things happen. They CHOSE to become stronger and learn from the problems in the world , like I did. Or they CHOSE to have the easy way out,or to let the problems around them dominate THEM.
I chose the first. You chose the second. This IS reality. And in the end, I'm the happy person here. The one who is trying to make the world a better place BECAUSE of her hardships.
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So if you don't deny they exist, live, or connect, doesn't that mean you approve of the killing of living things?
Yeah, but they're insentient.
ignoring the existence? That seems to be OUR fault, not the child's fault.
With which it'll suffer.
I tell you, if ALL of us would work to FIX our problems instead of state them, then those children would be in loving homes in the first place.
The problem is it's incredibly difficult to do so with the orphanages over-flowing with unwanted children.
Also, I am too young to adopt yet. But when I finally reach the age, I will adopt. I promise you and myself that I will WORK for a better future for our children.
Good for you. Personally I don't want kids, and I never will.
Yeah, that much is obvious. And I want to tell you something. I was hurt. I was abused. I was bullied. I was once suicidal. And I want to say that I don't regret a single part of my life. Because I CHOSE to became a stronger person. I was a miracle baby, someone who shouldn't have survived but did so against the odds. AND I'M GLAD TO BE ALIVE.
Again, good for you, but not everyone is you.
Once proud of something, you approve of it.
Some murderers, torturers, and rapists are proud of what they do. Be happy then.
I should have elaborated on that. I'm proud to believe in choice.
The whole point of going through hardships is to become stronger, better. However, one of two things happen. They CHOSE to become stronger and learn from the problems in the world , like I did. Or they CHOSE to have the easy way out,or to let the problems around them dominate THEM.
You can't just simply "choose" to become a stronger person. It's not easy. Yeah, I'll admit I'm not a completely strong person and my views on the world are dark. But I still stand by my views - and I would even abort if I had an unwanted pregnancy, no matter how pathetic you may think I am.
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Yeah, but they're insentient.
So that completely justifies it?
With which it'll suffer.
All of us suffer. But is that such a bad thing? Does it take our sentience away from us? Does it make us any less human?
The problem is it's incredibly difficult to do so with the orphanages over-flowing with unwanted children.
It's difficult to change the world. Yet so many have done it.
Good for you. Personally I don't want kids, and I never will.
Well, that's perfectly fine with me.
Again, good for you, but not everyone is you.
Not everyone. But if the people who are like me would teach their children what they learned, and they would pass it on, then the teaching itself would make the world a better place.
I should have elaborated on that. I'm proud to believe in choice.
You have elaborated enough. But is it choice when the women believe it is okay to do this? Human nature naturally wants to take the easy way out. And guess what the easy way out is.
You can't just simply "choose" to become a stronger person. It's not easy. Yeah, I'll admit I'm not a completely strong person and my views on the world are dark.
Just because it's not that "easy" doesn't mean you can't choose. I know because I actually did so.
But I still stand by my views - and I would even abort if I had an unwanted pregnancy, no matter how pathetic you may think I am.
Just don't let your own views turn you into a monster. That is the last thing I want to say.
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So that completely justifies it?
I see no reason why not. 
All of us suffer. But is that such a bad thing? Does it take our sentience away from us? Does it make us any less human?
So it's okay for a child to suffer as long as it alive? M'kay.
And lol, losing sentience and personhood? Where the hell did you pull that from? xD
It's difficult to change the world. Yet so many have done it.
Not as influential as saving every child from a terrible existence.
Not everyone. But if the people who are like me would teach their children what they learned, and they would pass it on, then the teaching itself would make the world a better place.
Not really. We already have an over-population issue, the world doesn't need more children.
You have elaborated enough. But is it choice when the women believe it is okay to do this? Human nature naturally wants to take the easy way out. And guess what the easy way out is.
Yes, that's what the choice is all about.
Abortion is not an easy decision to make.
Just don't let your own views turn you into a monster. That is the last thing I want to say.
Likewise to you, don't go changin' laws and forcing women to turn to back alley abortions so the mortality rate can sky-rocket.
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I see no reason why not. Without sentience the fetus feels, sees, understands absolutely nothing. It never knew it was alive to begin with, much less aborted.
I believe in the afterlife, therefore they WOULD care. But we'll see who's right or wrong when we're dead, won't we?
So it's okay for a child to suffer as long as it alive? M'kay.
Everyone does. We can't change that. I'm saying, as I said before, that it can help more than hurt.
And lol, losing sentience and personhood? Where the hell did you pull that from?
Well, think of it this way. You would never have the chance to become sentient or a person. Therefore, it is lost.
Not as influential as saving every child from a terrible existence.
Not as influential as losing the good that could've been caused by these very people.
Not really. We already have an over-population issue, the world doesn't need more children.
The world is actually not fully populated. The only reason we have a population problem is because we choose to cram ourselves together in cites, towns, etc, instead of making more. 40% of the US alone is unpopulated, mile by mile.
Abortion is not an easy decision to make.
And It better not be.
Likewise to you, don't go changin' laws and forcing women to turn to back alley abortions so the mortality rate can sky-rocket.
Uh-huh. Because mortality rates will SURELY skyrocket. Pessimist much?
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I believe in the afterlife, therefore they WOULD care. But we'll see who's right or wrong when we're dead, won't we?
I don't believe in the afterlife. But yeah, we'll see.
Well, think of it this way. You would never have the chance to become sentient or a person. Therefore, it is lost.
You can't lose something you never had.
The world is actually not fully populated. The only reason we have a population problem is because we choose to cram ourselves together in cites, towns, etc, instead of making more. 40% of the US alone is unpopulated, mile by mile.
We're not supposed to populate the whole earth "mile by mile". We're pushing 7 billion, and that's just humans, when you're not counting the millions of animals also on this planet.
And It better not be.
It never has been. Many women make an educated decision, and sometimes they choose abortion.
Uh-huh. Because mortality rates will SURELY skyrocket. Pessimist much?
No, it's a proven fact. 
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You can't lose something you never had.
But you can lose something you could've had.
We're not supposed to populate the whole earth "mile by mile". We're pushing 7 billion, and that's just humans, when you're not counting the millions of animals also on this planet.
Yes, but it will practically be impossible to fill the Earth anyway, seeing as we still have a large death rate. My point is, Don't use over-population as an excuse. It may be a difficult problem, but it remains solvable.
No, it's a proven fact. Countries that outlaw abortion not only have as many abortions as countries that legalize them, but also more women die. Are you aware of how things were before Roe v. Wade here in the U.S.?
Specify your fact?
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Yes, but it will practically be impossible to fill the Earth anyway, seeing as we still have a large death rate. My point is, Don't use over-population as an excuse. It may be a difficult problem, but it remains solvable.
We also have a large birth-rate, larger than there are abortions.
Specify your fact?
Without legal and safe abortions women were forced to turn to back-alley abortions where they did it themselves or had someone unqualified do it. Many times it ended with the woman being mutilated or dead. Most illegal abortions were done with a coat-hanger.
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Sheesh, illegal abortions are terrible too.
By specify, I really meant give some stats, but whatever. This debate is getting stale. You're solid and I'm solid, so if we just keep on replying, we will go on forever.
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So by your logic a woman getting an abortion is being selfish but making her keep a memory of her brutal attacker just for the sake of your own personal beliefs isn't? ...makes perfect sense
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Sometimes I don't even. I seriously think Pro-Choicers should change our title to Pro-Logic. Cause all the Pro-Life debates I've ever been in are just whinny illogical juvenile crap 
Oh and your "Religion is like a penis" stamp, did you get that from George Carlin?
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So that's all what a child is? A horrid memory?
Parents tell their stories. And most of them say that the child was a healing to them, not a hurt. I've seen the kids change their parents lives, for the better.
And THAT is what makes perfect sense to me.
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A pregnancy that was conceived by a brutal crime and nothing but pain would be to some, yes. I wouldn't want a constant reminder of the man who forced himself on me and beat me damn near to the point of death. Once you force a woman to keep a product of rape then the child could end up worse off in her care then dead anyways because of the neglect the mother could show. I wasn't speaking of ALL children, I was obviously talking about rape, don't throw my words out of context. I don't doubt some kids have changed their parents lives but not all of them, like you've suggested, that's way too broad of a statement and isn't true.
Oh and I never said anything about a child, since technically, a fetus isn't a child, and that's what's being aborted, a fetus.
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You seem to be solid on that. Fine. If you would rather have not existed, then fine. Just don't make the decision for the kids, because there is one thing I'm sure of. At that age, they wouldn't choose to die.
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I'm not saying I wish I wouldn't have existed, you're twisting my words again, which only hurts your own argument in the end. I am saying, however, that if I was a product of rape and came from my mother's pain, then yes, then I wouldn't want to exist. Oh, well of course they wouldn't choose to die, they couldn't choose to die OR live, they couldn't choose anything. They have no comprehension of the situation, therefore no opinion. However I don't think they'd choose to live in an ill-funded and over crowded orphanage, or an negligent, very poor or in extreme cases violent and abusive, family either.
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Which is basically saying you wouldn't want to exist when something happens to your mother which was not your fault. I think you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot there.
You can make no choices when asleep. So is it okay to kill people in their sleep, just because they can't make the choice for themselves? And some people can't make opinions because of disorders. Is it okay to kill them?
And about the whole "it could be worse" thing, If I had a dollar for every-time I heard a pro-choice person use that excuse I would be rich. It. Could. Also. Be. Better.
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I'm saying that as opposed to seeing a woman in pain for the rest of her life, given that I could actually feel emotion as a fetus, then no I wouldn't want to exist. Actually yes you can make decisions while you're asleep, it's called lucid dreaming. No it's not okay to kill them because by then they are a fully functioning human being, not a lump of parasitic mass. Yes. I. Know. It. Could. However if you're a pregnant teenage mother with parents who won't support them and a known genetic disorder that the child is at risk of having is that really a gamble worth taking?
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1: Fine then, that's fine by me.
2: I mean conscientious decisions, in reality. Not in dreams. "Lump of parasitic mass"...? In all honesty, do you have anything against these unborn children that have "no ability to make decisions"?
3: Goodness gracious, this is a multiple-step process. We aren't going to help our society much by not HELPING these mothers in the first place. Step one: Help mother deal, educate. Step two: Support mother. Step three: Give rise to healthy family because of support. See where I'm going with this?
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2: Well then I sure as hell would hope that you would take the proper precautions to make sure you're safe and that you prevent that from happening in the first place... Do you see where I'm going with this? No I have nothing against fetuses, I have no idea why I would. The only reason why I said that is because by definition a fetus IS a parasite, and since there's technically no functioning organs in a fetus in the time frame that it's legal to abort it, it's basically a cluster of flesh that doesn't function.
3: Agreed. However you should go preach that to the government that doesn't really seem to give a crap about you after you're out of the womb until you're 18 so you can go join the army. As my late great hero once said "We want living babies so we can have dead soldiers." I'm all for support for the mothers, should they choose to get emotional and mental help or whatever, if that's what they think will make them feel better. How ever that help should be a choice.
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2: Whoah, wait, hold the phone... Time frame that it's legal to abort it? Specify.
3: Instead of just complaining to the Gov, why don't we just start working towards our goals. ):< The gov's crap anyway, so let's shift the power to the people that actually care, start charities, self-business support programs, the like, without our stupid fucking gov in the way.
Great, now help should be a choice? Help is supposed to help, period. Only sadistic people would say no to support. Sheesh.
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2: Well Planned Parenthood doesn't allow an abortion after 8-12 weeks, but I'm pretty sure it depends on the clinic. What I DO know is that's it's illegal to abort the baby once it gets too far along in it's development (I'm pretty damn sure it's illegal after 12 weeks in all states).
3: I'm not sure if there IS something like that (wouldn't surprise me if there was) but obviously not very many, since it's not really a topic that a lot of people would want to deal with and acknowledge.
Well it would highly depend on the mother. You can't force someone to go to a shrink if they don't want to. Umm.... Do you mean masochistic?
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2:
And yet, there are the horror houses with late-term abortions- Snipping the babies' spinal cord as the woman gives birth. And I don't see much legal action going against that. ):<
3:
Yet it's a topic that should NOT be ignored.
I'm talking more counselor/financial support.
And I probably do. I get those stupid works mixed.
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2: Freedom of expression. It's a horror house. If that's what scares you then that's what scares you and chances are you paid good money to see it, you out yourself into that situation. If that become illegal then there wouldn't be much haunted houses during Halloween (Which I would be crushed over, I personally love them!)
3: Yes I know, and it's unfortunate. No one seems to want to address all the difficult problems cause they just don't flat want to deal with it, so it gets put on the back burner and it's horrible. Ah, okay, I miss understood, I thought you meant mental therapy. It's okay, I do that all the time, which is why dictionary.com is one of my most frequented sites lol. Sadistic= harm to others. Masochistic= harm to self.
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2.Not a horror house you would pay to go in. A house of horrors, AKA a terrible place.
3.Yes.
And hmm.
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Oh you mean like, back alley abortions and crap like that? Well those are still around because no one wants to report them because if they do, they won't have a legal second choice. Stats show that in countries where it's legal, and therefore have less back alley abortion facilities, there are less occasions where the mother dies. I forgot the specific percentages but they're there.
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MmmHmm. I think it's so completely illogical to want to have a back-alley abortion after all those risks, anyways. >n>
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Yes but, it may seem perfectly logical to a scared young teenage girl, who's confused and afraid of her parents, in an area where it's illegal.
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Now you're just grasping for straws.
Why don't we send in a post-apocalyptic situation in there too?
Help them, support them, teach them, safe sex- Anything but abortion.
Abortion= Not good, illegal or legal. And that opinion of mine is not going to change.
And your opinion is not going to change either, so don't go mouthing off on what I just said.
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No I'm not, I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of a young girl who doesn't know what to do. You know why? Cause I've been there.
...Ooookay, I officially have no idea what you're talking about.
Yeah we try to, it's called sex ed. Unfortunately not a lot of parents consent to their kids learning that in school, therefore you should go complain to the parents, not the people who actually have to go through that situation.
"Abortion= Not good, illegal or legal" Yes well that's your opinion, which may or not be the opinion of the person who is actually in that situation.
I wasn't mouthing off, you have yet to hear me 'mouth off.' I'm actually approaching this with a calm and clear head, you're the one who's getting defensive and assuming I'm getting snotty or whatever. Just because I'm offering the fact that there are statistics and backing up my beliefs with definitions and research that you've obviously not even done, and you have YET to provide anything at all other than "OMG IT'S SUPER WRONG, LEIK OMG *insert incorrect info here* BAWWWWWWWWWWWW", doesn't mean you can get a shitty attitude with me kiddo. Lulz.
... NOW I'm mouthing off
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I kind of suspected so. But to explain what I was talking about, you can't always assume the worst. Sure, it happens, So let's fix stuff instead.
I won't be able to do much now, except complain, and I don't want to do that. Therefore, I plan what I will be able to do.
I never accused you of mouthing off. XD I just said that to prevent your probable reply, like "you should not be so close minded" Or something to that extent.
Also, I'm afraid I won't be able to Google up theoretics, since everyone's is different and all that jazz.
This is really getting stale.
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You suspected what, that I was trying to look through the eyes of a troubled girl or I actually know how it feels?
lol Uhhhhhhh... Derp, yes you did. Does: "And your opinion is not going to change either, so don't go mouthing off on what I just said." Ring any bells? Sounds like an accusation to me. I was never going to say anything like that, I was simply trying to provide you with information, don't put words into my mouth kid. Besides, comments like that isn't a very good way to prevent people from calling you close minded. Doing research and being able to see the other sides point of view at least somewhat, is a good way to avoid people calling you closed minded.
Um, checking out a simple planned parenthood site or looking into cases like this isn't theoretics, in just plain intelligence, especially if you plan on trying to have a debate about things like this and if you want anyone to take your argument seriously.
So is trying to have an intelligent civil conversation with an ignorant child
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I suspected you were trying to look through the eyes of a troubled girl-
Which is actually something I can respect.
I meant it literally- I wasn't being sarcastic. I was literally saying don't mouth off on what I just said. Also, note uses of tenses. But I hate being technical.
And of course I see your point of view. It's logical and gives me a look into what the "other side sees"- A far more effective form of research to me. It didn't start that way, but I realized I could learn how you guys think like this. However, my opinion is still staying the same.
What's up with you calling me a kid all of a sudden? Did I hit a nerve with something I said?
I didn't mean that by theoretics. I meant my opinion. Not the research. I still think the same way.
And to say I haven't done my research is also a bit condescending. I Have researched it- there are quite a few videos with conversations between different under-cover agents and planned parenthood counselors.
And not only that, there is also a released letter of the founder of PP stating things which proves the actual ideals of these cash cows. As to the specifics, since you seem to be so keen on me doing my research when I actually have, you will have to find out for yourself.
I'm not going to respond again until you find out about what I'm talking about, if you decide to.
But I will say this- Planned parenthood is a sackful of bullshitting liars.
Au Revoir, My dear ignorant adult. I have gotten all the info I wanted from you.
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Well being technical and accurate can prevent people from miss understanding and not knowing what the fuck you're saying. That's fine, I'm not trying to change what you think, just trying to not be so damn harsh towards people who don't think like you do. Well because of the sudden odd out burst of saying that I'm trying to grasp for straws to try to support my argument, which was thoroughly supported, and saying I was mouthing off, I came to the conclusion that you maybe more immature than I expected, therefore dubbed this conversation extremely entertaining in a comical sense.
Well then perhaps providing information of these videos might have been a bit more help to your argument. Okay well thank you, that's all I wanted. A little substance to your argument.
Lol 'information' eh? Your failure to back up your words doesn't mean I'm ignorant little girl, it just means you don't know how to hold a debate that you started
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In case you haven't noticed, I really do want you to research that up. If you do not, that leaves you as a hypocrite. If you do, you learn something you have not known before.
I'll be waiting.
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Never said I wasn't going to research it, that's why I thanked you however I am confused...
Thought you weren't going to respond to me
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I really want you to research it, so I would betray myself if I were to just stay silent.
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Lol I love how the troll face really has no merit on your part.
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Why thank you.
In all honesty, When I get bored of conversations, I start to get trollish. So let's just stop it right here.
But research it! Seriously!
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Lol that's cute.
I did and all I got was basically don't use PP. I got nothing about abortion in general, only that abortion through PP is not a good idea... That and a bunch of rightwing retards saying that pretty much everyone who has a differing opinion is a troll.
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