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Published: 2017-09-19 10:37:42 +0000 UTC; Views: 8243; Favourites: 17; Downloads: 1
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I've been wanting to do this for a long time. Maybe by posting this, I could reach out to anyone who can help me find exceptions to these rules. Not to mention, maybe this will help people understand my issues better.Related content
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Awwwww. You know, this is the first message I got to see after waking up today and getting online. You have no idea how much it means to me to see your message. After all the shit I've been through of feeling like my preferences are completely alienated, and having SO many people getting mad and annoyed with me for questioning it. This seriously warms my heart to see, and gives me hope for a more equal future.
Oh yeah, Love Stage... I mean, I don't know. It's still a yaoi, and I tend to not like yaoi. I love femboys and such, but I just tend to think yaoi is... well, shit. 
And I sadly don't use Instagram, but I have no problem finding sexy femboy stuff online anyway.
As for creating one? Well, I kinda sort of am. Like, I drew this sexy femboy: Original Characters: Calchagara
And I am planning to include some more masculine male characters being sexualized in these ways as well in the comics I plan for my characters.
Once again, thank you SO much for your comment. It means the world to me to see others agreeing with me.
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Ahh you're embarrassing me
Knowing there's another person who thinks the same way made me feel much better too.
Sounds like you have high standards .
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Just found this and can't believe it exists!
Man Calchagara is fah----ne
Thank YOU for...uh I dunno.. existing!
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X3 Hey, I'm just being honest. 
Well, I don't know what that thing you linked me to is, but... okies.
X3c Yeah, I think Calchagara is fah----ne too. So does my boyfriend. ^w^
D'awwww. :'3 Thank you for existing too.
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You make a very good point. 
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Hopefully with gay inclusion becoming a bit more acceptable, maybe they'll do some more fanservice of sexy men for us too and not just for the straight ladies. XD
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What do you think about this cosplayer who was become famous because of his sexy cosplay of Erwin Smith from"Attack on Titan"?: en.rocketnews24.com/2014/06/10…
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He's obscuring his butt. And legs. It's just typical beefcake sexualization but with some slightly "feminized" poses. It's slightly a step in the right direction to me, but still part of the problem I have.
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These pictures are from a manga called "Adekan" and some of the male characters, especially the main one, are heavily sexualized in androgynous, feminine ways. "Adekan" is a non-yaoi, shoujo, action, historical manga that is currently running in Japan at 11 volumes. I haven't read the manga, but I've read a lot of good things about it, especially it's gorgeous artwork.
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I wanna ask you - are any of the male characters in this manga "Adekan" openly gay? If so, which ones?
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Wow. Holy shit. XD This is literally what I've been asking for. Well, other than that it's just a manga currently, but... hey, it can be turned into an anime one day, who knows?
Just out of curiousity, does it also has gay inclusion from what you know?
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Because there's no incentive to make something that is the exception to the rule? Just my guess
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Would make sense if I didn't know the internet. Clearly, a LOT of minorities online love stuff. Heck, have you seen how popular femboys are online? It's insane. I think that it's more than anything with people being aloof to it and indoctrinated. Like how even women back when Star Trek aired in the '60s usually didn't care for strong female characters, and even complained when they included a second-in-command female character in the pilot episode.
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"Shokugeki no Soma"does seem to have a few male sexualization scenes that you might like:
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Well... okay, so they do technically show off a butt there. But, what is this show? And I mean, the butt isn't drawn in any particularly sexy way... it's rather lackluster in the way it's done so "standard", as if the artist doesn't like male butts. There's technically nothing wrong with it, but it's done in a particularly appealing way. Nor does this male character seem to be posing in any of those ways I drew for female characters here. And, well, I never said they needed to be naked.
The reason I ask what this show is, is because it appears like this isn't done to be sexy but to be comedic. I'm gay, and not even I did get a feel of this being sexy.
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Well to be honest I haven't watched it but from what I've heard online its basically a really popular shounen anime about cooking in which the food is apparently so good that people have an orgasm when they eat it(hence the term foodgasm that a lot of fans use)
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Yeah,it does have a really weird concept that can be off-putting to a lot of people but its still really popular for some reason.
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"But, why does there exist no movies or shows or comics or games with exceptions to these rules?"
Because by and large, mainstream media caters to what is considered the most commonly desired way people (have always) like(d) to see female vs male sexualization. They COULD do otherwise (I wouldn't mind, either way), but it would potentially only cater to a very niche demographic, especially if it's outside the more niche/artsy/non-mainstream mediums. Hence, they probably are more likely to actually make a greater profit + cater to a wider audience, if they stick with the usual ways of sexualizing either gender.
Since the earliest of times, females have always been sexualized by their hips, breasts, etc.; which have served as ample signs of being a good 'breeder'. Only by extension of this fact, did those same features become synonymous with being sexually alluring in general (with or without regards to "breeding"). On the other hand, the ideal man has always been emphasized by how well-built he is above the waist; or his entire nude body was shown to the same effect (to show his overall build, clothing of any sort being irrelevant to this matter). In both cases, to this day, this serves both to appeal to women who like muscular men, as well as to men who most often look at such a build as the ideal figure to strive for. For modern media to buck these trends (which I'm not saying they can't/shouldn't), they are going against traditions that have their roots in literally 1000s of year-old ideologies. If anything, I think we're slowly going in the right direction on this stuff, but it's going to take a long time in order to fully embrace an idea that is so counter to something that has otherwise been around, well, for forever.
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I've seen you type out these comments, every time Kurvos has made a journal about this stuff. Why do you keep repeating this lecture? He knows why the world is the way it is. He's asking why there are no EXCEPTIONS. If you never actually try to look for something that might helps him, than stop commenting on his stuff.
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Yes, I know what he's asking. The point is, he asked, and that's the best answer I can give. I'm answering why there are so few (if any) exceptions, by explaining to him that it's a byproduct of how the larger world most often sees these things.
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No, that is NOT what I said! I didn't ask why the exceptions are few - I asked why there are NO exceptions! To me, it just comes across as you lecturing me because of your own preferences.
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I never said a thing about MY preferences. I simply answered your question, or at least to the best of my knowledge. As for the context, I still stand by what I said. That's my best theory as to why there are NO examples (rather than few)
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But you're coming off as a broken record, just saying that crap over and over. You have nothing helpful to say or give, so don't even bother telling him.
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Well, he too is sounding like a broken record, by asking the same questions, over and over again. Just saying.
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Doesn't make what you do any better. And he's actually trying to find a way to cope with this.
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What ARE his ways of coping with this? If he has a productive way of doing so, great, but I'm not really seeing it.
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Uhm... well, you're in a comment section of a thing that is a product? And, I would say the femboy I drew recently also was a productive way of coping with it: Original Characters: Calchagara
How am I not being productive?
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If these things are truly helping you, good.
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They are helping, but not as much as I wish they did.
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That's what he's trying to figure out.
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I'm being a broken record until I get a proper answer. You keep on answering as if I'm asking why the norm is the norm, when that's not what I'm asking. Hence why I this time took it to the length of drawing it out. Yet, you still don't get it.
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What do you define as a "proper answer"?
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Oh my god - stop reiterating what you've told me tons of times already, god damnit. -_- I already KNOW why it's like this in GENERAL - I question why there are no exceptions to the rules. But you already know this, so what the hell are you doing? Do you have amnesia or something? I don't get it. It almost feels like you don't care, but it's confusing since you also spend all this time to write all this yet again, I mean, you just keep on and on and on and on and on wanting to lecture me about this shit and you think that will somehow do anything? Stop acting like I don't know these things, this is not the stuff I'm even asking about.
I'm just beyond baffled I clearly asked the question why there are no exceptions to the rules, yet you're just lecturing me about stuff that doesn't really answer it as if you somehow ignored what you quote. Tons of people love stuff like femboys, and the gay community is crazy about sexualizing men like women are. You clearly don't care about helping me find exceptions to the rules - you only care about me shutting up about this.
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You asked a question, so I was simply trying to answer it, the best I could.
I don't doubt that there is a lot of love for "femboys", and that the gay community in particular does indeed enjoy sexualizing males. Still, how large of a demographic is that, on the whole? Because if it's still quite small, in the bigger picture, it may still take some time for mainstream media to pick up on the idea.
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Youäre answering my question by not actually answering it? That's kind of a weird way to answer a question, but... okay.
"On the whole", "in the bigger picture"? Dude, stop. You're literally contradicting my question. "Exceptions to the rules" means "exceptions to the rules", not to alter the rules.
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No, I am just simply answering the question you presented here, to the best of my abilities/knowledge. No more, no less.
As for my wording, I apologize if I didn't phrase it properly. Stuff like grammar and 'proper' writing is something that is always sort of an ongoing learning process for me. Again, my apologies.
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It just feels like you're deliberately missing my point. Don't you think it's weird there are NO exceptions to these rules in ANY movie, show, comic, or game? By proxy, there SHOULD exist at least ONE exception. But hey, maybe there is and I just haven't found it? I don't know, I'm just questioning why I haven't managed to do so yet.
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If by "weird" you mean abnormal, then no, no necessarily. I'd have no problem if there WAS an exception, but the lack thereof doesn't really strike me as being out of the norm. And as you said, maybe there IS an exception. If there ISNT, however, my earlier answer is the best explanation I can think of as to why (by analyzing long-standing ideologies; theorizing how writers/creators see this stuff in terms of how well it would/wouldn't sell; etc.).
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Your explanation doesn't justify there being no exceptions to the rule, no.
If you can't find any exceptions to the rule? Fine, whatever. If you however at any point can manage to do so, you're most welcome to leave me a message. But until then, reiterating the same thing over and over again just won't do anything. I have to admit, all it does is trigger me to further keep on trying to state my opinions on this and question it.
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Again, I was just trying to answer your question. Apparently I failed, and so I apologize for that.
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... fine then. Fair enough. I'll admit that my paranoia makes it feel like you're insinuating stuff like that I should be silent about questioning these things. I just don't know what else to do I guess...
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Well for one thing, I'd advise against asking questions that you already know the answer to. Otherwise, in an effort to help you understand things, people are going to try to answer them. That's simply all I was doing, that started all of this.
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Already know the answer to? I already know YOUR answer to it. Because you don't actually answer it. Have you ever said why there are no exceptions to the rules? No, you haven't. You even yourself say there ARE people into it, so it should by proxy be impossible for there not to be exceptions.
You're not trying to answer it. Besides, you KNOW (or at least SHOULD know by now) it's a rhetorical question, and that I really want is to FIND exceptions to the rules. Once again, I just think it boils down to that you don't care, and you want to excessively express that in full detail.
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Well, I thought I DID give a good theory as to why there are no exceptions. Again, if my attempts to do so were less than satisfactory, I apologize. Also, I don't recall saying that it's impossible to find exceptions (where did I say this?). I thought I was explaining why they are so few/possibly non-existent.
Um... Actually, I thought I was TRYING to answer it. Also, part of me did wonder if it was rhetorical; and in a sense, I don't care, no. But I know you do, hence why I've at least made an effort to try and help you and/or explain to you (to the best of my knowledge) why you aren't having any luck finding this stuff.
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So... someone who cares about finding it, you're trying to explain to how and why they can't find it? Yeah, really helpful... will certainly help me NOT find it, which is clearly what I am trying to do, right?
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When/where did I say I technically cared about finding it, so much as wanting to help you (in whatever way that may be)?
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