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Published: 2005-03-08 04:14:19 +0000 UTC; Views: 8082; Favourites: 24; Downloads: 1079
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Just criminals in military fatigues...In 1965, senior military commander of United States forces in Vietnam Gen. William Westmoreland, developed the aggressive strategy of "search and destroy". The objective was to find and then kill members of the National Liberation Front. The US soldiers found this difficult. As one marine captain explained: "You never knew who was the enemy and who was the friend. They all looked alike. They all dressed alike." Innocent civilians were often killed. As one Marine officer admitted they "were usually counted as enemy dead, under the unwritten rule 'If he's dead and Vietnamese, he's VC'."
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I was talking to my Recruiter today.
He had seen dozens of Countries and toured them. He got to stay aboard huge USN ships. He learned a trade as an 08 Meteorology Man. He earned the rank of Sergeant and had come back to the States to become a Recruiter. He had made all of this money and gained all of this experience.
Know how long he's been in? 5 years. Know how old he is? 23.
Other than whine about the Military, what have you done with your life?
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He certainly isn't defending his country, that's for sure.
So, since you went to see the recruiter, does that mean you enlisted?
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What makes you say that? I mean, no doubt this war is pointless. But you gotta do what you gotta do.
Ah, not yet. See, this Recruiter was a USMC recruiter. Personal and Religious things have since happened and I switched over to the US Army. Gotta make tape, which is only a few pounds away. Then I can ship to MEPS and swear in and such. Should be by the end of the month.
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I just mean that those who attack the military like this tend to be those who know the least about it.
I wish you luck. MEPS was a long ordeal full of sitting around, reading the same paperwork over and over in order to pass the time. But swearing in was one of the most satisfying things I've done. I still keep my copy of my contract in my inner coat pocket, just to remind myself that the whole thing really happened.
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Ohhhh! Sorry, I thought you were referring to my Marine Recruiter and not the person who created this deviation. My mistake!
Ha, thanks! I keep hearing about the "Hurry up and wait" unofficial slogan of MEPS. But if 17 hours of standing around and signing things means I get to become a US Army Soldier, than I'm more than willing to comply!
Really? Sounds like something I'd do! Haha! I've worked so hard to get in and am so close. I can't wait. What made you want to enlist? And if you don't mind me asking, what is your MOS? I'm shooting for 13 Bravo myself (Artillery) but it's hard to tell what I'll end up qualifying for.
Sorry for pelting you with a wall of text like this. Don't meet to many enlistees on dA. If you want, for privacy reasons, just reply to me in a note.
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I decided to enlist after spending a year at a local university and deciding that I didn't want to deal with another three or four years of that. I didn't want to deal with anymore debt, and I didn't want to deal with teachers who assumed my grasp of English was poor based on my age. So, near the end of the year, I was driving home and thought, "What about the military?" I'd lost close to forty pounds after high school, so I easily met the height and weight requirements.
Went into the Armed Forces Recruiting Station, and the Army office was the first one I walked into. After a lot of waiting, fingerprints, and a great deal of paperwork, I went down to MEPS and had a doctor prod my testicles a few times. After staying the night in the hotel, I sat through the paperwork mess the next day and was sworn into the Army. In fact, I still keep my copy of the contract tucked away inside my jacket, just to remind me the experience was real.
I approached my MOS with a great deal of openmindedness. When my recruiter asked me to create a list of ten jobs I'd like, I handed her a list of forty-three. The conversation about my MOS went something like this:
"What sort of job do you want?" says the recruiter sitting across from me, speaking into the phone with someone at MEPS.
"I just want a job," says I.
"He just wants a job." Pauses. "42A?"
"Awesome."
The one MOS I wouldn't have gone with would be 92G. I do not see Food Service Specialist in my future.
So now I'm PVT Brandt, Human Resources Specialist. With any luck, I can earn my first promotion before I leave. This May, I'll ship to Fort Jackson for BCT. After that, I'll be in Jackson for another ten weeks for AIT.
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I hope an insurgent kidnaps you and cuts your fucking head off with a dull knife. You'd be crying and begging for the Marines then.
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i agree completely.
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I've seen alot of your political artwork, and some of it is brilliant...but many of them are only offensive and contain no truth. People join the military to defend their countries, but in many cases end up doing things they don't want to do. In the military when you disobey orders during a war/battle, the penalty is death(on the spot).
Though some of your work is great, alot of it is tasteless, false, and offensive.
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YOU ARE A SICK MAN! Dont you understand why a soldier fights? Not cause he wants to kill...but because he has no choice...so what if hes fucked? He still does his best
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I've noticed you don't respond to many of the comments you get on your work and I can understand why. I wonder if you even look at any of them.
With that in mind, I'll just say that not all of the American troops are in Iraq because they want to be. They were lied to just like the rest of the world. However, refusing to follow orders is treason and treason is still punishable by death in the US, whether or not they actually follow through. For some, going to war with the possibility of returning is better than refusing to follow orders and facing the near certainty of hanging on a yard arm.
Yes, America's current administration sucks. Yes, Americans are cowards and wont stand up for their rights. But not all of the troops are criminals in fatigues.
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First of all, what I must applaud is the response that your little piece here has brought up. This must be the finest debate i've ever seen on this site in my short time here on this site.
But this is beyond free speech and just expressing your opinion. This dear cartoon guy, is slanderous. I understand that your stance on this is apparently not in favor of the military, and in so you are not attacking only the military, you are attacking individual Americans by calling them "criminals" for fighting a war that is not their own. The soldiers in Iraq are young men and women that came from the same country you did. To imply that they are psychotic keen-to-kill monkeys now that they are in Iraq would be no different from calling your nextdoor neighbor a potential serial killer. They are the same people they were when they were growing up in America. You shouldn't refer to them as the marine corps, it's irrelevant. They are 177,000 individual Americans with 177,000 individual minds caught in one motherfucker of a situation. Attacking every marine like that would be like a marine calling all you "enlightened liberals" a bunch of no balled pacifist anti-americans that want to serve the blood of unborn, aborted babies at their homosexual premarital orgy conventions. It's unfair and shows a lack of character. It seems you are not as wise and enlightened as you think you are.
As an aspiring marine, i took it a little personal and felt it necessary to respond. Funny that you insult the marines that fight for the government that let's you make all the silly insults you want about the military.
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Wow, lots of controversy over this, i'm suprised how many pro-American posts there are, although I suppose this is from a liberal uk point of view.
I personally find this cartoon perhaps slightly unfair, but far too close to the truth. Call me a dirty liberal communist if you must but I fail to see how any conflict can aid the progression of peace, the term 'peacekeeping' used to describe the current occupation seems a total oxymoron. The Iraqi people actually had a far better lifestyle prior to invasion than afterwards, and I suspect that many would prefer to live without a vote than without food and water. This is not to say that Saddam was not a cruel megalomaniac who killed his own people, it just appears that the occupying forces are doing just as good a job as him at the moment, and not just in civillain bombings, but in sheer ignorance and cruelty, the images of which I found more offensive than any cartoon could be.
One interesting fact to finish this rant off with; Winston Churchill gassed hundreds of Iraqi tribespeople during the second world war, with reasoning that was weaker than Saddam's.
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great! i'm on many points agree with you about what's going on in us and in irak. Continue drawing these kind of cartoon, it's a really good work!
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Don't worry about the fucks like Le-Christoph, he's just a naive patriot, hell bent on his own propoganda.
I love your work man, keep it up.
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wow, i love all of your work man. powerful image, i love the message and support your beliefs 100% keep up the good work!
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What the hell do you know? Not a damn thing, you live in Brazil.
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I see your point, and I've skimmed the other comments, and honestly....You're right. But only in your sense of propagated irony. As for taking historical references from a Hollywood movie. I assure you children, women, and, well, not so much, but the elderly have been known to be used in times of war. In fact if you check the records, or "history" they're generally the enemie's favorite weapon. Like I said, "irony." It gets them every time.
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nice cartoon indeed!
You are very gifted and this is a very nice caricature.
But this is very far from the truth.
The American soldiers don't have any interest in killing civilians...this will just bring more chaos and pain among the Irakis.
The Americans want to restore some stability and security.
On the contrary, the extremist israkis want to show that the Americans are just bringing unsecurity and desorder so they are acting like terrorists do. They are trying to terrorize the civilians and prove by bombing them that the occupation is bad.
This is the terror logic.
It will be very hard for the American to fight against this evil logic of the terrorists that are supported by countries around (like Syria) that don't have any interest in the "Pax Americana" and in democracy.
If American will succeed to bring a real democracy in Iraq this will be a very bad thing for all the Arab dictators of the region.
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Your cartoon contains much truth, for years, our muslim brothers and sisters are shot down even though innocent. We must fight against the evil of american stupidty.
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If the united states didn't have heart, every Muslim country would be a nuclear fused glass plate. You go Jihad boy.
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I wish more than anything that you would look me or anyone else in the Marines in the eyes call us criminals in Military Fatigues. But I know you could never do that..... You are just a coward
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i'd like to see you look an Iraqi child with shrapnel in their body in the eye and give them all the excuses in the world. I like the way you insulted him because of his artwork, which seems to me to be a prime example of what kind of conscience our culture breeds. My brother is going to enlist into the Army and his best friend is going to Iraq. I know I'm not afraid to tell them how i feel to their face. What makes someone a coward is when they need an m16 to justify actions. Let me tell you right now, most of the people that fight back to the U.S. aren't terrorists, they are defending their home. I tell you right now, if someone was bombing me and then came in with infantry, i'd kill everyone of those bastards but not because of patriotism, because i want to protect my family.
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stupidity!!!!
Terrorists are targeting US marines, Iraqi policemen, Iraqi officials and civilians (when you put a bomb in an open market don't tell me you are trying to kill soldiers!)
Anyone can critisize the American occupation, his goals and reasons and how they did that!
But terrorism is a crime against humanity!
Don't pretend "protecting your family" when you are sending people to blow themselves in the crowd in the streets of Bagdad. This is nore war, nore freedom fighting...this is a CRIME!
If they want to protest against the new regime they have new rules, new different rules (I understand that those rules are hard to understand for a people that have been for decades under a regime of dictatorship)
those rules are called DEMOCRACY - this is not a perfect regime but this can be good for the people to decide farlely his future.
If you are bombing your own people you just show that you want DESTRUCTION not FREEDOM
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You have to make the distinction between terrorism and protection. I don't agree with the Islamist extremists who strap explosives to themselves and kill innocent people but, the ideals behind the Islamic Jihad movement is that the ones who bow down to lavish lifestyle of western civilization are not innocent. Therefore that is great amount of people. I agree that the conformists & perpetrators are guilty but, I don't agree with the killings. It is most definitely a crime, just as well as the American insurrection is a crime to humanity. Some people are protecting their families but, it seems you have a preconception that all of those people are terrorists, it is not true. Did you know that the U.S. government had Nelson Mandela listed a terrorist? Hell, the whole African National Council were considered terrorists. That's just an example of injustice. Once you have an understanding of the Islamic Jihad movement, I would like to branch this into a debate with you. Because to the members of this movement, those who bow down to western civilization are guilty. They are no longer true muslims, a member of Islam, or of their people. The bottom line is that any insurrection that kills innocent people is unjustified. You don't kill civilians. It is wrong.
American bombs & soldiers have killed Iraqi civilians. Islamic extremists kill both Americans & their people. The innocent protect their homes.
The whole scenario of spreading democracy around the world is a tired one. In a country where the government & corporate bodies are despotic, how can you call it democracy? In fact, if it where democracy it would be parliamentary democracy & not representive democracy. Our current administration, as well as the ones before it, are guilty of crimes to humanity. The feudal lords of Europe, the kings & queens, the dictators, the fuhrers, and etc. are all guilty. When will people realize the blood dripping from their hands? I know i have.
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"all of those people are terrorists" no I don't think like that!!
I think that this is a bad thing (sorry for my poor english) to let extremists rule the country (any country)
If they don;t care about killing civilians (calling them infideles perhaps) this just show how they would act if they where ruling the country.
I know that most of the people in Iraq (or elsewhere - among palestinians for example) want peace and the right to wake up in the morning, go to work and grow up children in peace.
In the other hand, I don't think that what American offer to them (in Iraq) is "the top" but it is still better that what Sadam gave them and what the fundamentalists and so called "peace fighters" want to restore: a governement ruled by terror!
The whole scenario of spreading democracy around the world is a tired one. In a country where the government & corporate bodies are despotic, how can you call it democracy? In fact, if it where democracy it would be parliamentary democracy & not representive democracy. Our current administration, as well as the ones before it, are guilty of crimes to humanity. The feudal lords of Europe, the kings & queens, the dictators, the fuhrers, and etc. are all guilty. When will people realize the blood dripping from their hands? I know i have.
Sadam back would be better? That's what the bomber want. Why supporting them (even if it is undirectly)
to the members of this movement, those who bow down to western civilization are guilty
Are you defending them?..ls this what you call "justice" of what they call "the justice of God" ??????????????
They don't kill civilians??Example?
Suicide attack kills 47 in Iraq
Gainesville Sun - Mar 11 3:09 AM
An unidentified man grieves at the blast site after a suicide bomber blew himself up during a funeral being held Thursday in the courtyard of a Shiite mosque and killed 47 people and injured more than 100 in the northern town of Mosul, Iraq.
Don't be fooled: the extremists sending people to blow themselves in the corwd are not representing the future of Iraq. They are DEATH, PAST and OBSCURANTISM
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I already said i don't agree with the killings. I don't support or condone people who kill civilians. I am not denying that Saddam was a terrible tyrant. It is good that he is gone but, now these people have something worse to deal with. Once you become a puppet democracy to America then you have no say in anything. That's not to say that the people had say in anything before. Saddam didn't let his people speak out and niether does the current administration in America let the people speak out. Do you know why so many other countries have media that is Anti-American? Because it doesn't matter what they say, America is in charge of all of them. Especially in Britain. Both sides are wrong. The Islamic Jihad extremists & the neo-conservatives are both wrong. Granted, the neo-conservatives have control over more people and the Islamic Jihad movement doesn't have that many members. I agree with both parties to an extent. With the neo-cons, I agree that terrorism is bad. With the Islamic Jihad extremists, I believe that civilization is bad. I'm not protecting any of their actions.
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Your image holds much truth and meaning. You see Allah's work here is yet to be done.
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Your image holds much truth and meaning. You see Allah's here is yet to be done.
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I have to tell ya something. There are such things called rules of engagement right? Im going to be proper and reasonable with this one but hear me out. You find yourself at a checkpoint that has been known to get hit with VBIEDs, ( Vehical Borne Improvised Explosive Devices) ( car bombs). When a vehical comes speeding at you with no signs of slowing down. The car heads streight for you and doesnt stop. My thought would be wow hes about to blow us up. These people know the deal, they know the rules regaurding those things. So you and your men fire on the vehical in attaempt to stop it before it can crash into you or blow you up. Only to realize that there was an italian journalist in the vehical which at the tim was impossible to identify until the car came to a stop. Accidents happen and I can tell you our troops had no intention of hitting the journalist. You are taking the news too seriose. You fall victim to EVERY little thing they say. By the way Thanks for depicting me as a neanderthal. I guess everyone that wants to serve their country is a stupid fool huh? Oh and no we dont target women and children. I dont know where everyone gets these ideas.... oh wait yea I do, Damn Michal Moore
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Easy to blame it all on mr. Moore. Ask yourself why american troops are in iraq in the first place.
I can't believe that the soldiers didn't signal the car to stop. That they freaked out and opened fire first, i can believe. It's a perfectly normal reaction to be scared in such situations, when you're in a war zone. but Nicola Calipari died. Giuliana Sgrena could have died, too.
if we stay in iraq, people will keep getting killed in the crossfire. but if we leave the country, it will become a breeding ground for terrorists. And this time for real, not just in mr. Bush's paranoid-schizophrenic dreams.
Nice mess he's gotten us in.
i don't blame the american soldiers, mind you. they're doing their job. but i don't blame the iraqis, either. let's ask ourselves why all all this is happening.
i'd like to sai "and let's hope that Calipari's death taught us something", but i see it's not the case.
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There are many of us who still see you as heroes. Don't give up hope on us Americans yet, Wesly.
~Neszis~
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COULD NOT AGREE MORE! AND A BIG FUCK YOU AND USE YOUR FUCKING HEAD YOU MURDERING CUNTS TO ANYONE WHO DISAGREES
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Once again your art shows the truth. Not the official truth, but the unofficial policy of the american storm trooper
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I'm still waiting on my storm trooper armor
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I am sorry to tell you that you will get no pretty, laser proof, white uniform from the Bush administration. The closest you will get form them will be a Brown Shirt. For whites I would suggest the Navy, but then again that does mean Never Again Volunteer Yourself
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A brown shirt? That's funny, they actually gave me 6 of those, some desert cammos, tactical load baring vest, combat boots, kevlar, flak jacket, rifle, etc etc etc...
Id still rather have the storm trooper armor, of course, even though never has it actually blocked a laser in one of the star wars movies as you said...
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sorry I never was a big star wars buff. I just took a guess that it had to have some protective quality about it.
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Excellent cartoon. It describe the nazi ideology of the United States.
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hahaha "especially if they communist"
hey you know i find there is some mccarthy-ism in war after terrorists, as if Bush's terrorists are 21th century's John McCarthy's communists nahmsayin
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