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Because I can.I can go through and explain them all I guess if you're interested, but eh.
Let's just say, expect one for Tigerstar as well.
I really really REALLY hate how the Erin's make bramble and fire look like their dads.
It's not genetically possible.
The sons will always take the color of their mother. Most of the time, they look identical.
Not father and son.
I facts the only wat a father can affect a kit, is by color on FEMALE kits, and by pattern.
For instance, if the mother is a solid gray cat, and the dad is a red tabby, the sons can be black, or gray tabby, and the daughters can be tortishell and dilute tortishell.
And fuck the blue eyes on every cat. It's so over done. Green eyes, yellow eyes, copper eyes, enough with the blue.
I went back as far as I wanted really.
I just recently went back into Sandstorms lineage again, and decided she's a tortie.
I might go farther into Crowfeather, Birchfall, and Cinderheart, but for now, I think it's fine.
Okay, small explanation for each. I could be messing up genetics, but I think I'm at least pretty close.
Nutmeg
Because I wanted Firestar to stay ginger, and cats don't generally look like their dads, I made Nutmeg a Dilute Red tabby, or a Cream tabby. So she carries the red Gene, but also doesn't look identical to Firestar. She has white paws, and a locket.
Jake
I also didn't want to change his design up too much, so he is a red Ticked tabby.
Quince
So, in order for Socks and Scourge to have white, I gave it to her, instead of Jake. I personally never saw Jake with white. I kept her being Gray, because nothing told me otherwise.
Sandstorm
She is a Tortie! Going back into genetic history, Brindleface is black or chocolate, and Redtail is red. As such, she took both colors, and became a tortie. I made her a bit more cream than red to keep her 'sand' prefix.
Firestar
I kept him red, or Ginger, but I instead made him look more like his mom in Pattern. He carries no white.
Princess
Red tabby. She has white paws and a white tail tip. Because no one is a brown tabby anymore, neither is she. She took colors from both Nutmeg and Jake, who were bother red, and she ended up being a red kitty.
Oliver
White with blue eyes is fine and common. I made him carry the red gene for a reason I will point out later on.
Socks
With his momma now carrying the White Spotting gene, he is now able to keep his cannon design.
Ruby
Her father being a red, and her mother being a dilute black, she had to be a tortie. I made her a dilute tortie just for the sake of it being as close to canon as possible. She has white on her paws, belly and tail.
Scourge
I have a whole post on why Scourge is this way. Blue eyes on black cats are not possible. And yes, the Ojos Azules are specifically bred that way, but I'm PRETTY sure he isn't one of them. It's more common for a colored cat to have blue eyes if they have heterochromia. And cats generally don't have 1 white paw. However, if the cat is a Tortie, there is no stopping it, and it is possible. So, I made Scourge a Chimera Tortie, with 1 blue eye, and 1 white paw. What? Tortie cats are only female? That's right, this Scourge is trans. If cats can form a society with a single ruler, have a form of medicine, have a form of caring for elders, have toms that care for the kits as much as a mother does, and has cats that stay in a monogamous relationship, I can have a trans cat character. And I think it creates more character and backstory for the bulling he got as a kit, rather than him just being small.
Crowfeather
I didn't delve much into his genetic history, so this design is subject to change.
His momma was a Gray kitty with darker gray spots, so that's what he is now. And FUCK the blue eyes, he gets gold.
Leafpool
There was not real possible way for Leafpool to be brown, sorry. She's a red tabby. She could have been a tortie like her mom, but 1 black gene, and 3 red just kinda called for a red kit. She has white paws from her mom.
Squirrelflight
Designstays pretty much to cannon, again, like with Leafpool, I could have made her a tortie, but it didn't really seem right. If I HAD to, she would have a white locket, and a white tail tip. I think it's really stupid that she SUDDENLY has a white paw as a 'reminder of her uncle scourge' that's pretty much impossible. Her white spotting didn't come from Firestar. It came from Sandstorm.
Bramblestar
FUCK the 'Like father like Son' trope. It's impossible. Unless Goldenflower and Tigerstar looked the same, Bramble is GOING to look like his momma. That's it, no questions asked. He looks almost identical to Goldenflower, except for the fact that he has a more broad and muscled body type, where as his momma is more petite and lean.
Brightheart
Subject to change
Design is pretty much the same, changed the blue eye to a green, because blue eyes are over done, and really? Stop with blue eyes.
Cloudtail
I tried my hardest to keep his design as cannon as possible because a cat named 'cloud' obviously has to be white. So I made him a red cat with high white spotting, which makes the blue eyes possible (?) but he carries the red gene, which is important later down the line.
Cinderheart
Subject to change
As far as I'm concerned, Cinderheart is either a Golden/Brown tabby or a Tortie. And to keep her as close to possible with the name 'Cinder' she's a tortie.And again, I'll say it FUCK the blue eyes.
Lionblaze
Design is content, can stay the same, nothing is really out of place except maybe fur length, but I'm not going to get into that.
Jayfeather
Again, BOYS WILL ALWAYS LOOK LIKE MOMMA, so he is a red tabby like his brother and mom. He gets green eyes because FUCK BLUE. and don't come at me with the 'Blue eyes mean blind' because it doesn't. If a cat is blind, their eyes have a milky look. They can look inflamed and have a reddish swollen look to them. And when I googled blind cats, they always have a super dilated pupil. So he get GREEN blind eyes.
Hollyleaf
With her mom now being red, and her dad being a dilute blue, she is obviously, a tortie. I had to option to make her a dilute tortie, but that just didn't seem right to me, and I wanted to keep things as close to cannon as possible, so she became a normal tortie. I gave her her dads eye color because 1 it looks really good on torties, and 2 literally the only way the clans can tell they were related was by them looking the same, so I gave her the same eyes because it's possible and why not.
Sparkpelt
She is a more creamy red tabby. She doesn't quite look like Firestar her mom, or Bramblestar. She sorta in between. She has a white muzzle, belly paws and tail tip from her dad.
Alderheart
What's the rule on boys? Always looks like momma. So he is a Squirrelflight look alike with a white tipped tail, and white paws.
Birchfall
Subject to change
Didn't go too far back into lineage, but the golden Tabby didn't work. He's a silver tabby with copper eyes. Fight me.
Whitewing
Stayed pretty much the same. She carries the red gene.
Ambermoon
Stayed the same, I gave her hazel eyes.
Dewnose
Literally impossible for him to inherit a black gene. He's now a red and white tom. Eye color can vary NOT BLUE I just gave green because it looks good on white cats.
Snowbush
Canon design works fine. He carries the red gene.
***note on Cloudtail carrying red, since neither of his daughters ended up being a tortie, he obviously didn't carry a black gene, and no, Desnose could not have gotten a black gene from him.
Lilyheart
Subject to change
If this design was good, then she would look like Cinderheart. Both designs are interchangeable. I designed her with the mindset that her fathers colors were correct. Again, Fuck the blue eyes.
Hollytuft
Tortie. It was either a tortie or a golden cat. And why else Name her Holly if she wasn't a tortie?
Sorrelstripe
Again, she could have been either, but since I already bested the odds earlier, I decided a tortie was best, especially since she's named after Sorreltail,
Fernsong
Red tabby is possible, but not because of Lionblaze, because of his mom.
Ivypool
Mother carries red, father carries black, obviously, a tortie. With white spotting thanks to her momma.
Fuck the blue eyes, gold is better.
Dovewing
Decided to stick more to canon, and made her a Dilute tortie, witch is gray and cream. And she has white thanks to her mom. Blue eyes are overdone, she never had blue eyes, fuck all that, they're green.
Tigerheart/star
Literally possible. He can seriously look like his grandfather. Because of the fact that his mother took colors from her mother AND father, Tigerstar, is the only way this works. If his mother didn't take colors from the, both, he wouldn't be able to look like he does. And I gave him green eyes like his mom. Just so he doesn't look too much like his grandfather.
Larksong
Mom currently carries chocolate and fawn, so he is currently a chocolate. If his mother was a normal tortie, him being a black tom is almost possible. He probably should have white spotting like he does here.
Leafshade
Tortie, like mom, has white spotting from dad.
Honeyfur
Fawn/dilute red tabby with white spotting. Tried to keep as close to canon as possible.
Bristlekit
Mom is red and black, dad is red, she can either be red, or tortie, I went with tortie because I think it fits the name.
Thriftkit
Again, I thought tortie was better than a golden kit.
Flipkit
Red kit is possible.
Lightkit
Made her a fawn tortie
Pouncekit
Subject to change
I can't really remember why I made her a gray tabby. I know the chocolate color gene is a black based color, so maybe I took it as a way to make her a gray tabby.
Shadowkit
To keep to canon, he's not a cream/fawn kitty, but a dilute black. Because honestly, neither parent is black, and I don't remember giving Togernubs over there a dominant color gene. So a split gray kit he is.
Eh, tired, I can't thing anymore, lol
This was colored in like, 3 months ago, so the fact that I can remember any of it is a miracle.
Just because I might upload some drawings of them, and I don't want to have to constantly explain why Hollyleaf is a tortie, or why Bramblestar isn't a clone of tigernub, yada yada.
Oh well, if you have tips for genetics, I'm always up to learn.
If you wanna fight me, go ahead, but I honestly don't care. This series lost me when they made Dovewing Ivypool, Cinderheart, Heathertail, and them all have blue eyes. Blue eyes are so overdone. It's stupid really, the only eye colors the books use are green, blue, Amber and yellow. Of varying shades.
And yes, I did get bored of a series based on eye color. It's very important to me.
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Comments: 51
Piebald-Creature [2022-06-04 00:26:44 +0000 UTC]
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leafstep In reply to Piebald-Creature [2022-06-04 02:17:55 +0000 UTC]
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xArtistSoulx [2020-09-08 17:16:14 +0000 UTC]
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leafstep In reply to xArtistSoulx [2020-09-09 17:09:13 +0000 UTC]
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BXSILISKDRAWZ [2020-05-22 05:58:43 +0000 UTC]
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Dovenose In reply to BXSILISKDRAWZ [2024-12-05 01:49:26 +0000 UTC]
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leafstep In reply to BXSILISKDRAWZ [2020-05-22 16:02:45 +0000 UTC]
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AFuniversCat [2020-04-20 22:31:22 +0000 UTC]
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leafstep In reply to AFuniversCat [2020-04-21 13:01:14 +0000 UTC]
Go for it, lol
Yeah, blue eyes are boring imo, but to each their own
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AFuniversCat In reply to leafstep [2020-04-21 21:20:15 +0000 UTC]
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pinemushie [2019-07-18 15:58:04 +0000 UTC]
Usually i donβt like the correct genetics headcanons for warrior cats but your designs I absolutely love!! And your little comments about blue eyes is hilarious π I, too, feel like blue eyes are over used, so its nice to see someone else who shares the same oppinion
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leafstep In reply to pinemushie [2019-07-18 23:24:33 +0000 UTC]
Thank you!
I know genetically accurate Cats aren't everyone's thing!
Lol, Blue eyes are used too often to be cool. I LOVE me some Copper Eyed cats, I think they look REALLY pretty on gray cats!
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Morning-Flower [2019-05-31 01:36:01 +0000 UTC]
I honestly disagree with a lot of your opinions in the replies, but I also belive that ppl have the right to express their opinion. YOu like genetics, and you like making warrior cats genetically correct. Thats fine, its your opinion and your right to do so. Even if I disagree, I wont try to harass/bully you for it.Β
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leafstep In reply to Morning-Flower [2019-05-31 06:04:33 +0000 UTC]
And that's fine, you are free to your opinion, just as I am free to mine!
I don't go around bullying or harassing anyone for using the canon designs, so as long as no one bugs me, it's all good!
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ChernobrylTrashCan [2019-04-08 17:13:14 +0000 UTC]
MhmmM fiNally SOme Genetically CORRECT CatttOS
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leafstep In reply to ChernobrylTrashCan [2019-04-13 20:19:08 +0000 UTC]
Mhmm yeeessss
Love me them geneticsaa
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Catdog12359 [2019-03-07 13:10:26 +0000 UTC]
Genetically correct warriors makes everything so boring.
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leafstep In reply to Catdog12359 [2019-03-08 23:52:55 +0000 UTC]
I prefer genetically correct. Having characters that don't make sense at all is completely stupid. Having a cat be solid black despite neither parent carrying a black gene is stupid. And giving every single character blue eyes, is the most boring and stupid thing.
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Catdog12359 In reply to leafstep [2019-03-11 12:06:52 +0000 UTC]
That's what I think but the opposite, Making every cat have hazel/amber eyes and tortie or orange fur is quite boring. I like cat in warriors who are visually pleasing, like Rosetail(her new design, the grey and rose red), Brackenfoot, etc, Which is probably why I find genetically accurate warrior cats are boring.
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leafstep In reply to Catdog12359 [2019-03-11 22:36:47 +0000 UTC]
everyone has a right to their own opinion, but to be fair i really hate ginger. Fireboy just has the Red gene which is kinda hard to get rid of once you have it.
i love torties because even if theyre the same color, they can still have very different and unique designs.
the 'unique' look thats canon in warriors isnt at all appealing to me. I like to relate cats in the book with cats that ive seen, or have owned. So with a lot of the designs being impossible, its just not possible to relate to real life cats (which is impossible anyway, seeing as these are cats with a religion lol)Β
But genetics are really fun for me, and i like to re imagine them as more realistic cats.Β
and they dont all have the same color pallet, that was just me being lazy and not wanting to choose more ginger colors since i already hate it haha
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Catdog12359 In reply to leafstep [2019-03-12 11:41:48 +0000 UTC]
Honestly i don't think i could read a book with only orange and brown tabbies running around lol
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leafstep In reply to Catdog12359 [2019-03-14 03:27:11 +0000 UTC]
Brown is harder to get. So it would most likely be Reds, Blacks, Torties, with varying amounts of white, along with their dilutes, Cream, Blue, and Dilute Tortie.
Which would be fine for me, as the amount of white on the cat would give enough character for me.
I just prefer all the realistic and genetically possible ideals since I'm a hobby breeder I guess (I breed mice tho, not cats lol)
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Catdog12359 In reply to leafstep [2019-03-14 12:27:49 +0000 UTC]
oh ok, thanks for the info lol
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Moonstarleader1012 [2019-01-31 20:17:59 +0000 UTC]
But arn't Dovewing, Lionblaze, Jayfeather and Cinderheart reincarnations shouldn't they look like their reincarnations?
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leafstep In reply to Moonstarleader1012 [2019-01-31 23:28:51 +0000 UTC]
This is based on genetics, nothing else.
And in my mind, it's the spirit that gets reincarnated. They could have the same face, same body type, and even similar quirks, but colors are all genetic. Not reincarnation.
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Moonstarleader1012 In reply to leafstep [2019-02-01 19:59:49 +0000 UTC]
just reincarnation is weird
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leafstep In reply to Moonstarleader1012 [2019-02-02 01:29:06 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it was never my cup o tea. It's always boring, and cliche. Like, just because someone is reincarnated, they're obviously destined for better things, and they're better than others. It's just a boring idea that's so over used.
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Moonstarleader1012 In reply to leafstep [2019-02-02 02:32:10 +0000 UTC]
I don't mind it besides with the three they were kinda idk needed kinda hard to fight cats from hell besides I like Jayfeather and Dovewing
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leafstep In reply to Moonstarleader1012 [2019-02-02 03:33:46 +0000 UTC]
They're the ones I hate the most.
Just because they're reincarnated ancient cats, they're important, and have more power than a normal cat.
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Moonstarleader1012 In reply to leafstep [2019-02-02 18:09:29 +0000 UTC]
I actually just like their personality they are not just defined by their powers alone besides with Jayfeather he balanced out his power with his disability. I think maybe you would prefer if the power came with a draw back. I just like Jay and Dove I can kinda relate with them.
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leafstep In reply to Moonstarleader1012 [2019-02-02 21:20:05 +0000 UTC]
I just don't like any of them. I don't feel they're relatable, and I feel that their ability is too much.Β
Dont get me wrong, the added abilities to the world was fun to read,Β
but being invincible, seeing and hearing things far away, just is cliche.
I don't like Jayfeather because he's always grouchy and negative. So he couldn't be a warrior. So what? Get over it. Quit being a whiner.
Dovewing didn't like using her powers, and felt bad about it. Yeah, I could see that you'd feel guilty, but when life as you know is at stake, get over it.
And being invincible isn't very boring and overused, so enough said there.
I domt care if they have flaws or disabilities, they just didn't make it interesting
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Moonstarleader1012 In reply to leafstep [2019-02-02 21:52:39 +0000 UTC]
well lets just agree to disagree before this becomes a scourge's collar comment section
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HigherGlassFeline [2018-10-05 19:59:44 +0000 UTC]
Don't Forget Squirrelflight had 4 kits Alder,Spark,Dandlion,And Juniper
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leafstep In reply to HigherGlassFeline [2018-10-05 23:59:59 +0000 UTC]
Cloudtail also had 5 siblings, but they weren't important enough to include (IMO)Β
especially since Juniperkit and Dadelionkit would look the same as Alderheart and Sparkpelt.
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HigherGlassFeline In reply to leafstep [2018-10-06 07:22:04 +0000 UTC]
Yeah,Still It Sucks They Died
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Swiftstar01 [2018-09-04 07:27:24 +0000 UTC]
This is so cool! Ivypool looks so bad ass as a calico/tortie w/ white (a source told me that a tortie with white is technically a calico, regardless the percentage of white. Kinda makes some sense but saying a Tortie with white says little white while Calico says lots of white like in the books. what ever floats your boat and you get the appearance across is fine with me)! She's Like a mini Mapleshade/Spottedleaf. Dovewing looks pretty too and Lightkit looks beautiful! SO MANY GINGERS! LOVE IT!
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leafstep In reply to Swiftstar01 [2018-09-04 08:47:29 +0000 UTC]
Thank you!! I'm really happy with her design too XD
Ive always thought they could be used interchangeable, but I personally say a Tortie is a Black based, where a Calico is White based, but it's up to anyone!Β
And omg she could be! I'm working on a Spottedleaf design right now!
Thank you! I'm in love with Dilute kitties!
XD all the gingers!!
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wysparks [2018-09-04 02:16:52 +0000 UTC]
This made my head hurt but I love this kind of stuff so omg keep going
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leafstep In reply to wysparks [2018-09-04 06:16:29 +0000 UTC]
Oh gosh XD I hope it doesn't hurt too bad!
the next one I'm doing is a whole lot more confusing XD
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Angelpaw33 [2018-09-03 14:22:23 +0000 UTC]
Oooh these look AWESOME!!I absolutely love Bramble's and Spark's designs ;O;
I also really love Quince, Ruby and Honeyfur's designs!!! You're AMAZING at cat designs :0
and can I just say how GORGEOUS your Scourge design is?
I have a question though, if you don't mind answering- (keep in mind that I know little to nothing about cat genetics :"D)
In the description you said that boys will always take after their moms-
A few months ago I owned a pregnant cat that gave birth to 7 kittens, whom I don't own anymore since we had to give them away to new homes-
kittens: white with black spots, golden eyes (female), 3 dark brownish tabbies, all yellow/golden eyes (2 male and 1 female? not sure-), black and white, blue eyes I think? (male), black with white, blue eyes I think? (female) and a fully black kitten, golden eyes (male)- (mom has blue eyes)
I'm just a little curious about that since none of them looked like their mom, neither boys nor the girls ;O;
Was black just a dominant gene??
I really want to learn cat genetics but I'm not the smartest person so I probably wouldn't understand-
Here's pictures of the mama and her babies!
(more: sta.sh/212frtb3qq7j?edit=1 )
sta.sh/21jyhk2e51ao?edit=1 (kittens)
Thanks <3~
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leafstep In reply to Angelpaw33 [2018-09-03 23:10:49 +0000 UTC]
Hi! Thanks for all the compliments!
Your momma kitty is a colorpoint, which is a recessive gene! She also looks to be chocolate and/or black. Chocolate is a black based color, but is recessive to black.Β
Unless the boy's dad was also a colorpoint, all the boys will take moms color, since the pattern is recessive.
Genetics can be easy, just take it one color or pattern at a time!
i started with Red and black, and their dilutes Cream and gray! I'm just now starting to tinker with chocolate and fawn.
You can also study tabbies? Try to remember what patterns are dominant over others? I'm always willing to answer questions if I can!
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Angelpaw33 In reply to leafstep [2018-09-03 23:58:54 +0000 UTC]
Hey, of course Leaf! your designs are always so gorgeous frmigmeiogero
Oooh so does that mean the dad was either a tabby, a fully black cat or a white w/ black??
I might try researching cat genetics tomorrow since it seems to be quite interesting!
And thank you SO much for answering my question <33
Thanks!
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leafstep In reply to Angelpaw33 [2018-09-04 08:57:08 +0000 UTC]
I can't remember what the girls in the litter were ^^'
but with just knowing the boys, the dad could be any color and pattern! If the girls are tortie, the dad carries the red gene, and he could be a Red or cream tabby of some kind!Β
If the girls are black, the dad could be black, gray, black and white, gray and white, gray tabby, or gray and white tabby!
It is confusing at first, but take it slow! You'll be able to get it eventually!!
And of course! I love genetics!
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Angelpaw33 In reply to leafstep [2018-09-04 14:17:01 +0000 UTC]
Woah that's really interesting :0
and the girls were a white with darker spotting and a black with white!
so many possibilies for the dad, woah ;O;
Yeah, it sounds a bit confusing but I'll try anyway!!
Thanks again leaf <33
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leafstep In reply to Angelpaw33 [2018-09-05 23:35:07 +0000 UTC]
Here! I just found this and I love it! It's helped A LOT with the Chocolate/Cinnamon color for me!!
sparrows-garden.com/cat-coat-cβ¦
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Coconut-Care [2018-09-03 04:20:10 +0000 UTC]
I love how bramblestar looks like his mommy and got her looks
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leafstep In reply to Coconut-Care [2018-09-03 23:11:18 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! I think he looks cuter XD
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