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"you're hair is soft. and it smells bally nice I must say, wot?"" "
poor patch. I imagine she thinks it's great fun to tease him and see how he responds. he's not used to females taking any notive of him poor thing. especially not a pretty haremaid with such long, elegant legs.
haremaid still needs a name.
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Redwall (C) Brian Jacques
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I was thinking of her name "Scarlet" or maybe "Harper."
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Harper is interesting. i might consider it.
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D'awwwww.
You need a name for her? How about "Harebell"?
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she's such a mean bully picking on poor sweet little Patch like that. shame on her!
I was thinking a edited form of Celestine... how about... Kelesti?
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Indeed.
Kelesti, that sounds nice... except I don't know how to pronounce it!
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you pronounce it
Kehl-ess-tee
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knowing hares they have to have some big elaborate full name, but i'll worry about that later.
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Well not all hares are like that. There actually was a haremaid named "Harebell" in the book "Mossflower". She was apart of a haremaid trio, with the other two ladies named "Honeydew" and "Willow."
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i don't remember that, but it's been a while since I read mossflower.
you know what always annoyed me about Redwall? redwall had all of these heroes to follow from it, but the only one anyone cared about was martin! what he did wasn't any more spectacular than what the redwallers after him did, but he's the only one who gets a tapestry and is reviled! everyone else who does anything great was only "under the guidance" of martin and he still gets the credit somehow. and he's the one who gets taught about in abbey school. all the other redwall heroes don't seem to be mentioned much after they do their deed.
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Yeah.
You mean "revered", not "reviled". 
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oops. i get words confused. yeah i think they earned their place to guide young redwallers and get talked about as legends.
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Yeah, I do that too, sometimes. 
Agreed. I think "The Long Patrol" had a chapter that was dedicated to all the other fallen warriors, where Russano the baby badger had a dream about Martin, Mariel, and some other long-dead warriors, including Rockjaw, the hare who once took care of Russano. I think things like that should have happened more often, remembering warriors other than Martin.
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lol yeah i do that when i'm talking a lot too.
yeah, there wans't enough of that! and honestly a few more genuinely nice vermin would have been good! there were a few cases where vermin characters weren't so bad, but still, it was sad how the books started out with woodlanders giving he benefit of the doubt, to just being prejudiced and cynical about all vermin towards the end of the series.
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Abbot Durral from "Pearls of Lutra" said he dreamed of Romsca; it would have been nice if she had been brought up. Oh, and Blaggut, of course. 
But actually, its mostly in "Outcast of Redwall" that the Redwallers behave in a prejudiced way towards vermin (ie, Veil). In all the other books, they do give some vermin the benefit of the doubt (like in "Loamhedge", a later book, the vermin gang lead by Badredd the little fox, they were offered free food by the Redwallers, but Badredd was intent on taking Martin's sword for himself).
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omg i've forgotten so many of the books... i wish i could get them all on audio, then i could listen to them while i work... that's whats up with me now, if i can't use my hands for something i can't sit still, which is why i like audio books, i can just take them with me and work.
so, do you think a stoat and a squirrel marrying would be scandalous for redwallers? I also had the idea of two mouse maid sisters, and one is kidnapped by a painted one because she's so beautiful, and her sister goes to rescue her and teams up with the young shrew log-a-log and they end up marrying the shrew and the painted one.
it was an idea... it's not a story and the characters have no names, but it came to me, lol.
i guess i'm just frustrated because i got the "Doomwyte" audiobook and i forgot how stupid and dissapointing it actually was (kind of like sable quean)
Eulalia was a newer one but i always loved it and how no problems with it.
lol i was watching "Little Witch Acadamia" and there was a twilight convention spoof, and the writer of "night fall" was apparently passed this magic pen through generations, so it was more than one author, just inherited over time.
Redwall should continue! only have the fans write it. one of us makes one story, and then another takes on the next book and so on.
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I have all 22 of the books.
Hard to say if the Redwallers would find it scandalous for a stoat and squirrel to marry. Over the entire series, several creatures found other species attractive and even flirted with one another, so maybe its not entirely unheard of? I suppose if the stoat was a proven gentlebeast, then I don't see why the Redwallers would object if he married a squirrelmaiden.
Heh heh, that does sound like a cute story - although I question why the one mousemaid would want to marry the Painted One, since he kidnapped her. Course then again, he might have been gentle and kind to her, so that she decided to forgive his "overzealous-ness" (
I remember being disappointed by Doomwyte as well, although Sable Quean featured a vermin character saying that she "loved" her husband, which was quite interesting.
Heh, so that was supposed to explain how Twilight got to be so popular, huh? I need a pen like that.
Well, I'm not sure if just *any* fan should continue the series, since not all fans have a good grasp on what the series was truly like.
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I had a few, but i got rid of all of them except "Eulalia" because I wanted to keep the illustrations in it. yeah they are REALLY hard to get on audio apparently! unless you buy them on Itunes, but who wants to keep that big of a file on a little ipod?
well, probably a lot of them wouldn't be happy, if i remember Veil and Bryony. but others would be understanding. much like people! maybe you can't approve of something, but it's not like you can force someone to not do something, against their will. if they want to do it, they'll find a way to do it.
yeah, i mean, there are redwall boys who crush on pretty maids... and there were like, moments where vermin wanted to keep a maid because she was "pretty" like with cornflower and cluny, or Celandine and captain clogg.
Gareth means teagan no harm, obviously. I actually think he'd be more confused about his attraction, and Teagan would be more accepting of it.
well, you know, painted ones are pretty much described as savages, it's not like he knew all that much better. i'm sure he thought it was the perfectly right way to go about it! but yes, i imagine he'd be as civil as he can be, for a painted one.
my idea was the pretty mousemaid isn't all that smart, and is very girly, but romantiizes adventures and wants to go out on a few, rather than hang around the abbey, and the other sister is a scruffy, tom boyish maid who isn't interested in adventures at all and wants to remain at redwall with no incidents.
the villian wasn't really bad enough for me to care! oh, yeah i had to look that up... and honestly still don't remember it. it was never of any interest to me i guess?
once again, my problem with the Sable Quean was how dissapointing the villian was. Vilya or vilaya's answer to anything was to stab someone with her dagger, it's a wonder she had any followers left at all! and she didn't DO anything, Zwilt was the real villian. she was like this spoiled brat character or something. quite a few of the villians had something to make them relatable enough to be interested. Vizka longtooth cared a bit about his brother, Gabool genuinely felt betrayed by graypatch as a friend, Clogg was fond of his crew, so on and so forth. the Sable Quean's villian wasn't memorable, just kind of annoying.
lol well in LWA it's apparently a series that's been written for hundreds of years, and the convention is for the realease of the 365th novel.
well i mean, the one who inherits the magic pen gets to write the next set.
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I'm curious why you got rid of all the other books? Heh heh, but yeah, I see your point with the Itunes.
Well, keep in mind, Veil and Bryony lived in a period that took place after the events of "Mossflower"; the woodlanders were still living on the memory of being under the tyrannical rule of the vermin, so therefore would still be bitter about them. Plus, its quite possible everybeast figured out that Veil was the son of Swartt Sixclaw, a known and feared warlord. So Veil had a lot against him from the start. One interesting thing to keep in mind is that after Veil's death, Martin's spirit decided to return to the abbey. I have a theory that Martin saw how the Redwallers treated Veil and decided he needed to return so that Redwall wouldn't start to flourish on old hatred. If you look at all the books in chronological order, you'll notice that all vermin who came after Veil are treated significantly nicer than he was. ^^
But anyway, yeah, I think the abbeybeasts would be mostly okay with Teagan and Gareth's relationship.
Heh, that's a good point, about the Painted One not knowing any better.
Well, Vilaya had somebeast she cared about too: Dirva, who raised her. She even wept when she found out Zwilt had killed Dirva. But I can understand; Vilaya needed to be more active to be a more threatening villain. Sigh, oh well...
Oooh, I see now, okay.
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oh i was trying to make room for new books. it's not like i had much of a collection i only had Salamandastron, mattimeo, sable quean, eulalia, rakkity tam, and high rhulain.
but didn't Bellmaker and mariel take place not long after that? i'm a little confused which came first there... oh wait, maybe it was not as long because sunflash the mace was that badgers son?
hmm i didn't notice that... and i'm not sure if your right about that being done on purpose or not.
I think the problem with veil was that he was both spoiled, and frowned upon, so it sort of became an angsty "me against the world" attitude with him. basically a rebellious teenager!
yeah, i wouldn't want there to be all that much drama with that! maybe a little, but not a lot!
well, the girl sister is more of the romantic, and the tom boy is more practical and sensible, so it fits too. i imagine the girl sister doesn't take the situation seriously at all. it's all just good fun, and then it's time to go home. she wouldn't even take becoming a painted ones bride seriously.
oh goodness there's so much i keep forgetting about that. but yeah, she was more obnoxious than anything.
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Okay. Cool.
Chronologically, the books go in this order:
Lord Brocktree
Legend of Luke (part 2)
Martin the Warrior
Mossflower
Legend of Luke (parts 1 and 3)
Outcast of Redwall
Mariel of Redwall
The Bellmaker
Salamandastron
Redwall
(I'm too lazy to list the rest of the books, otherwise it'd make this message too long 
But yes, you're right about Veil being an angsty, rebellious teenager. He was spoiled by Bryony and frowned up by the Redwallers. Plus he inherited a lot of his father's negative traits, so the poor ferret didn't have much of a chance.
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wow you have this down. did you calculate this like a fangirl would? XD
yeah, he could have done with a better way of handling his behavior and raising. Bryony was too young and inexperienced.
lol well, i thought it some more last night, and the girly sister is being pressured to marry by her mom but she really wants an adventure before settling down, as she whines to practical sister, who isn't being pressured to marry by mother, due to the fact she's capable of taking care of herself just fine and doesn't need a husband to keep her out of trouble. then when they're out collecting with the abbey beasts, they wander off, and get spotted by the painted ones medicine man/cheif who is enamored by the pretty sister and takes her. tomboy sister goes on the chase but loses them, and then comes across the guosim and requests help.
i imagine they get to the pretty sister who is like "it's all been good fun, but i suppose i SHOULD get back home and prepare for the wedding to [generic abbey mouse suitor]" and she just straight up leaves without so much as a nod or a care for the painted one, as she wasn't really taking the whole situation seriously to actually consider it a real marriage.
of course, the painted ones attack the abbey to get her back.
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Yes.
Wow! ^^ What happens next?
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lol i've had a few years since i've read them, but its been a while since i read them.
I don't know! i haven't thought that far. maybe painted one is killed, pretty sister marries the mouse her mother wants her to marry, and tomboy waits for whenever the guosim come back for visits.
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Understood. X)
Heh heh, alright then. Sounds like it'd be a pretty interesting story if you ever went ahead and made it an actual fanfic.
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yeah, maybe i'll have a crack at it
I need to figure out how to write for Teagan and Gareth
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Yeah, focus on Teagan and Gareth first, since you have a better grasp on their characters/storylines, apparently.
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well, their characters... maybe not the storyline so much... but i'm sure i can figure that out, haha
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Yes. It can always be a character-driven story, after all.
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haha yeah more about two dorks in love then battles and such.
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I should probably try and figure out where to START though lol
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Its always best to start at the beginning.
But anyway, on a more serious note, try thinking of their overall storyline, and start the story from wherever seems best. Maybe right before they meet, or right when they meet, or sometime after they meet, etc.
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*sigh* that just told me what i already knew. the problem is DECIDING where it's best to start.
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Oh. Whoops. 
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yeah i thought i should go ahead with that... but i want to also do it in a "memories, story telling, stuff is currently happening before the reveal" sort of thing.
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Alright, go with that, then.
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well in that one chapter, the dibbuns are questioning Teagan about being married to a vermin, so she's telling them the story. I imagine Gareth would be thinking more about his relationship with his brother and father than about teagan.
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That does sound interesting. Well, write it however you want, really.
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