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Regardless of it's acronym, ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham) is not Islam and you should never confuse them. Those who categorize all Muslims as terrorists are no better than the terrorists themselves. You are helping to spread fear and hatred and that is what ISIS wants. They do not need to do major attacks or acts of terrorism, when simply using a gun man or two or a bomb can change a whole society against the majority of peaceful Muslims. That works right into their recruitment tactics, because those Muslims who now feel alienated because of fear and hate pushed on them when they themselves have done nothing wrong, may go to the extreme. Not all of course, in fact not even the majority. But this is what ISIS is hoping for, since if only a handful goes it is more than they already had. Plus it strains our communities. And that helps no one but ISIS and that is not what the world or even Muslims want or need.And we have this idea that ISIS is attacking all these non-Muslims only; as in Jews and Christians or foreign journalists because that is what usually gets spot lighted in the news. But the majority of their victims are fellow Muslims who may not be as extreme as them. (Most Muslims are not extreme at all to begin with.) Muslims who simply want to have a better life for their family, especially their wives, daughters, sisters and mothers. Where women and young girls are married off, enslaved and raped, some by several ISIS fighters at a time. Where young boys are made into child soldiers, others are left orphaned and men are burned alive and beheaded, sometimes in massive executions. And those who do manage to flee are forced into refugee camps due to the fighting, where most are dire places and some live there for years. (But these border countries and these camps are trying to do a good service I should note. These places are not meant to be the new homes, only temporary shelters. But the fighting lasts so long, there are no jobs, these countries who are housing these refugees may already have a strained economy, etc. makes life for every one, especially the refugees more difficult. And the saddest part of all, is that even when they are not the nicest of places, the refugees where their homes have been destroyed have no where else to go, but the influx is so great they are sometimes turned away... it is really an appalling situation I wish no one should ever have to go through, especially children.) And there are other Muslims who simply want to live in peaceful coexistence with all other nationalities and religions.
It is a threat the entire world will face if this type of extreme ideology/organizations are not smothered out completely. Even if you think you can do nothing, simply saying a kind word to a Muslim (Or anyone for that matter.) will spread the seeds of love and help stop the hatred. Do your own research so you are not blinded by ignorance and Fox News is of no value. See something unfair, speak up. Fight for another's rights. And never let a day go by where you can not do something to better someone else and at the same time yourself. Take care.
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kyrtuck In reply to ??? [2015-07-17 18:44:22 +0000 UTC]
Nah, he just prioritized attacking Americans over creating an Islamic State
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kumdang-2 In reply to kyrtuck [2015-07-18 09:12:01 +0000 UTC]
thats true, but what about after his goals may be achieved?
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soulessone12 In reply to ??? [2015-07-08 18:13:57 +0000 UTC]
I thought that was obvious the minute they started pissing off the entire middle east
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Guyverman In reply to ??? [2015-07-08 05:31:39 +0000 UTC]
Then by that case, The Nazis probably weren't fascism.
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kumdang-2 In reply to Guyverman [2015-07-17 18:32:47 +0000 UTC]
and KKK werent racists, zionists aint jews and confederates aint americans
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AnonymousRabbitLover In reply to ??? [2015-07-08 03:56:22 +0000 UTC]
Exactly. Claiming that ISIS represents Muslims is like saying that the Westboro Baptist Church represents Christians.
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Graeystone In reply to AnonymousRabbitLover [2015-07-08 20:22:14 +0000 UTC]
The Bible has 'rules' about acting like WBC(as in a Christian doesn't or else they're not) What about the Koran?
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AnonymousRabbitLover In reply to Graeystone [2015-07-09 07:07:55 +0000 UTC]
The Koran actually does have such quotes. One example is verse 49:11 in the Surat Al-Hujurat, which says, "You who have believed, let not a people ridicule another people nor let women ridicule other women. And do not insult one another and call one another by offensive nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after one's faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are wrongdoers". Verse 60:8 of Al-Mumtahanah says, "Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous and acting justly towards them". While there are a lot of fundies and terrorists that make Islam look bad, Christian terrorists exist, too , despite certain Bible quotes that tell Christians to love their neighbors or to pay attention to their own sins before judging others for their sins.
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Graeystone In reply to AnonymousRabbitLover [2015-07-09 14:53:29 +0000 UTC]
And how does one 'stop another person from ridiculing another person' and so on in Islam?
And yes I know about 'Christian terrorists'. However they are outright rejected by the Church. They are no more Christian than a person who claims to be a brain surgeon but isn't licensed.
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AnonymousRabbitLover In reply to Graeystone [2015-07-10 11:28:52 +0000 UTC]
I'm pretty sure that refraining from judging others in Islam has the same amount of value as it does in Christianity and other faiths, even though there are a lot of Muslim fundies make their religion look bad. I doubt that such a quote would be included in the Koran in the first place if Islam was intended to be a violent religion. Also, Christianity itself went through a time period when it seemed like it lost its purpose as a religion. An example was the Inquisition in the Catholic Church and the other mistakes the Curch made that caused the Protestant reformation.
And I do agree with what you said about these Christian terrorists. A few Muslims who go to my school say the exact same thing about Muslim fundamentalists. What I want to say is that every religion has its fair share of fundies and it's fair share of good believers.
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DontNeedFeminism In reply to ??? [2015-07-08 03:50:38 +0000 UTC]
ISIS is so awful, even the freaking Taliban has condemned them.
I know that ISIS would just love to rape and execute me, a lesbian Muslim. And then for people to think I'm like those monsters? It breaks my heart.
Thank you for this.
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RedAmerican1945 In reply to DontNeedFeminism [2015-07-24 05:24:20 +0000 UTC]
Its at that moment when Al queda, the Taliban and states like Iran and Saudi Arabia want you gone, you know you're doing something wrong as a group.
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Graeystone In reply to DontNeedFeminism [2015-07-08 20:23:35 +0000 UTC]
The Taliban - Yeah well, is the Taliban complaining because its the right thing to do or is it just 'professional jealousy?'
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DarkRiderDLMC In reply to Graeystone [2015-07-25 05:46:17 +0000 UTC]
I'd wager on the professional jealousy...
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DontNeedFeminism In reply to Graeystone [2015-07-08 22:41:54 +0000 UTC]
I think they're actually against ISIS for moral reasons. Other "professionals" in the field, such as Boko Haram in Nigeria, have partnered with ISIS.
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Graeystone In reply to DontNeedFeminism [2015-07-09 14:21:44 +0000 UTC]
The Taliban talking about 'morality' is like a mass murderer supporting the sanctity of life.
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DontNeedFeminism In reply to Graeystone [2015-07-10 00:12:51 +0000 UTC]
Exactly. That's how screwed up it is.
Maybe there will be an ISIS-Taliban death match, and they'll annihilate each other.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to ??? [2015-07-06 01:12:35 +0000 UTC]
Shared it here: www.facebook.com/paradigmshift…
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ZanyOnePip In reply to ??? [2015-07-05 19:54:36 +0000 UTC]
Shall I submit this in a political DA group for you?
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LinkNZeldaForever In reply to ZanyOnePip [2015-07-08 03:36:16 +0000 UTC]
That is fine. Although this was not meant to be satirical in nature.
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MormonMouhammed [2015-06-23 08:10:11 +0000 UTC]
ISLAMIC state of iraq and the levant... Infact we are more islamic then you filthy jew lovers.
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LinkNZeldaForever In reply to MormonMouhammed [2015-06-29 01:53:50 +0000 UTC]
Well that goes without saying, since I am not a Muslim. (Although I do have a number of good virtues that a respectable Muslim would have.) Nor am I a Jew, a Christian, a Buddhist or any number of others. However what makes me or others more filthy than the next person or distinctly a “Jew lover” as you put it? I love a Jew as much as I would love a Muslim or a Christian, a Chinese, an African or a Mexican, etc.
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warhammer2546 [2015-03-09 03:46:57 +0000 UTC]
Why not make it simple and say that Daesh/ISIS follows an ass backwards, phsyco fundamentalists school of Hanbalism (what Saudi Arabia follows) called Wahhabism (what Al-Qaeda, Daesh and like minded radicals follow); it teaches that those who don't convert to the Wahabis/Salafis EXACT take on the Koran are to be killed. Which includes everybody, including other Muslims who don't want to. In fact, ALL of the other schools and sects of Islam consider them to be insane.
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UsurperBobO In reply to ??? [2015-02-23 15:15:31 +0000 UTC]
It's sad that needs to be said. What's even sadder, is the fact that all these ISIS morons need to do, is say that they follow Islam, and everyone is on board with it. Yet an actual practicing Muslim, needs to "prove" they're not.
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LinkNZeldaForever In reply to UsurperBobO [2015-02-23 21:16:17 +0000 UTC]
Well the problem with religion to begin with, is that it is open to interpretation. I wont pretend I have read the Qur'an when I have not. But I have researched various religions, including Islam and if there are passages in a religious book that says it is ok to do this or that, people will find a way to use that for their own advantage, even when the majority of people of the same religion will say those interpretations are either inaccurate, completely false or that kind of ideology is no longer warranted and or even wanted. But again that is why more Muslims are being targeted than any other group, besides the fact that obviously they are closer, but because they are different from ISIS and their extremism. When all those Muslims opposed to their extreme ideologies are wiped out, no one is left to say what Islam should be about and the rest of the world is up for grabs.
So not only are the majority of Muslims targets for their indifference to ISIS, they also have the high probability of being hated on by everyone else, because everyone corals them into being terrorists, simply because they are Muslim; they pray five times a day and women where the hajib, etc. We need more understanding and love, not ignorance and hate.
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MetellaStella In reply to LinkNZeldaForever [2015-07-23 05:14:01 +0000 UTC]
"Well the problem with laws to begin with, is that they are open to interpretation"
"Well the problem with statistics to begin with, is that they are open to interpretation"
"Well the problem with psychology to begin with, is that it is open to interpretation"
"Well the problem with biographies to being with, is that they are open to interpretation"
This is humanity. We operate on interpretation. Singling out religion seems unfair at best.
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JDNight In reply to ??? [2015-02-23 05:35:50 +0000 UTC]
Thank you. We need less ignorance and more positive representation of Islam.
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LinkNZeldaForever In reply to JDNight [2015-02-23 21:05:22 +0000 UTC]
We do. But in order for that to happen, it is Muslims that need to do it. They need to be more out spoken about what is not right that is going on in their religion or in the "name" of their god at least. Any outsider can say what ever, but it really only matters when other Muslims speak out. And sadly that is only one part. You can talk and preach all you want until you are blue in the face. But until others are willing to step up and actually fight, if not out right, at least dissuading others, particularly disillusioned young people from joining such a group as in ISIS, all talking is pointless.
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floolf03 In reply to ??? [2015-02-23 00:45:50 +0000 UTC]
You are absolutely right, man. I think no religion on earth condones hiding bombs in religious books and killing innocent childs in a school's library. However, as long as there are muslims left, the IS will have an excuse for what they are doing. Even if those muslims are peaceful. In fact, almost everyone on earth is peaceful, no matter what they believe in, where they come from or what their skin color is. However, there will always be extremists. And those extremists will use the beliefs of others to justify what they are doing.
Now, we can't just "kill all muslims" or make every muslim give up their beliefs, because it's their right to believe in Allah and the Qur'an. And we shouldn't. But I think we're at a point in history in which muslims themselves have to figure out if it's still worth it to be a muslim. What I mean is, you can still believe in Allah and his word wothout indirectly supporting extremists. And without forming a passive base for what they are doing. I really am not blaming muslims, not at all, mind you.
Martin Luther, for example, did just that. He said he'd still believe in his god, but he doesn't trust the people saying they are that god. (The Pope). So he formed the base of something new, something modern, with just basic human rights and the true word of god in mind. He translated the bible into german and told people what was actually going on. He left out all the killing and stupid laws that god didn't ever have in mind, created by those who wanted wealth and power.
I recently dropped out of church. I just quit. I wasn't having it. Because if there is a god, he doesn't hate gays, he does want women to have equal rights and he doesn't send you to hell for talking bad about him. Because he should love anyone. And most people's view of god, be it jewish, muslim or christian is wrong and full of errors. God didn't create the earth, god doesn't punish you when you die and he doesn't lay bad luck upon you. God loves you. In fact, god is love. God is a metaphor mankind created to describe all the good they felt, and all the positive things that were happening were linked to god.
You shouldn't kill for god, because you kill god that way. That being said, I don't think it's a sin to just let christian, islamic and jewish beliefs fall. Let's just believe in god like he is, let's be loving and caring for each other and stop the debate over the best god. Because in the end, god is the same for all of us. Because god is all of us. Let's not give those extremists any excuse for what they are doing, because it doesn't matter if you are muslim or not, as long as you believe.
We are all humans. And in the end, we all want peace. So let's not create any borders where there are none.
Let's unite for once.
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LinkNZeldaForever In reply to floolf03 [2015-02-23 20:55:34 +0000 UTC]
After reading this I had to take a step back and tell myself I did not reply to my own post... I agree with most of what you had said, although the three Abraham faiths all pray to the same god, they just have different interpretations of Him, thus rule sets, history, ideals, etc. The Jews came first, then the Christians (Buddha came 500 years before Jesus by the way or so they say...) and finally the Muslims. I should not have to point out that for all the evil people think Islam is, it was not very long ago where being Christian meant you were killing, raping, pillaging in the name of the Lord. (Actually some are still doing that, just in a more humanitarian sort of way. In other words, not do things the way they say to do them now and the donations and funding they give you will be with held.) And the Crusades go with out saying of slaughtering, raping and torturing Muslims and even Jews (Among others.) and Christians themselves killing fellow Christians through out history, but of different denominations. Quite frankly I find it quite hard why any one would believe in anything to begin with if all three have the same exact god and people are suffering and dying everywhere in the most worst of ways in the name of God. Makes completely no sense to me what so ever.
But in saying that, I respect people's religious views until they go too far. Although I can see some groups who are considered terrorists, (It seems these days you jay walk or spit on the sidewalk and you can be labeled a terrorist...) that do fight their respected governments and even my own countries forces, (US) but they are only trying to survive what they think are harsh dictator rules or hampering their religious beliefs, etc. So although I may dislike certain groups, I can understand where they are coming from and do what they do, until they begin to kill civilians on purpose or go to the extremes. But then again the US kill civilians all the time as well, although I hope it was due to a mistake or they thought a certain target was worth it... (Which in my opinion is never worth it, but at least it is a better of an excuse of “Oh well, who cares...) But obviously there are tons of incidents where US bombs or soldier fire has killed innocents and that obviously helps no one. And then Israel air striking again and again and yet Hamas is no better for endangering it's own people with futile rocket attacks. Then they try to cry about it and gain the support of the rest of the world as Israel strikes back. But then you have illegal building on Palestinian lands by Israel so... It is just a mess. Am I considered unpatriotic for understanding another country's views and while criticizing my own?
Muslims should still be able to be Muslims and believe what is in the Qur’an. Just as Christians should be able to be Christians and Jews Jews. The problem is when people interpret the Bible or even the constitution/rule set of their respective country, to further their extreme rules and give reasons for their harsh actions. I have no problem with a woman wearing a hajib, nor a man kneeling and bowing himself five times a day. However do not expect me to get on my knees for anything or anyone. And do not expect the females in my family to have to wear the hajib. However regardless of your views, if you are purposely degrading your females, even your own wife and children, than we have problems. Having the male the head of the house hold and his word is final is one thing. But when you do not allow your children to go to school or use the excuse of Islam says you can have four wives and you can have sex with them practically when ever you want and hence are initially raping them, does not go well with me.
I tend to believe the Big Bang theory. However I always question those for it, where did that one big rock come from? It could not of made itself or always been there... Did God create it and left us to our own devises... And I ask religious people who say God created everything, well where did God come from? He could not of been created of nothingness. And even if He did (Why is it He and not She? Simply because man wrote the Bible. I have heard “He” is because it is neutral or something like that, but with all the keeping down of women for most of their creation of these religions, although some say women had it better in these religions at the time they were created, but the equality never even came close. In fact it has only been the last two hundred years that women even in the US has won any kind of rights.) come about from nothingness, the world and the universe could not and did not come about as it says. Six days and the world only a few thousands years, (Although again they say the translation is off... always seems to be an excuse of one or another...) when science proves it in every case it is not, but billions of years old. Plus the majority of the stories in the Bible are just that, stories and fables. Saying they are true, with no proof what so ever but that it is written in the Bible (Again by man to further his goals or because they were ignorant of science and the way the world actually works, although some people still have their heads stuck in the sand and or the Book...) does not make it so, no matter how many times someone can thump the Bible.
But I am not knocking religion as a whole either, because a lot of good has come about it as well. Churches now a days are helping people from all back grounds and religions, although I fear they really want them to join not only their religion, but their congregation... but the help is still given. (I know I had said some will with hold funds, but that is more or less certain sects and not many at that. Although religious ideologies are still a touchy subjects, as in using condoms or allowed to use birth control or abortion, etc.) The point is, no matter what religious background, country or race you come from, we are all human beings and we need to live in peace and harmony. As others have said, we should look to our commonalities and for those who are religous what makes the different religions and books the same.
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Graeystone In reply to LinkNZeldaForever [2015-07-08 20:30:06 +0000 UTC]
Urk! Ok, for the millionth time - Islam has nothing to do with Judaism or Christianity.
1) Muhammad was neither Jewish(something Jesus was) or a Christian. He had zero claim of anything of Abraham's legacy or life.
2) Muslims claim it was Ishmael, not Isaac, that was nearly sacrificed by their father Abraham. Christians and Jews say its Isaac.
3) The Bible begins with Genesis and ends with Revelation. The end of Revelation gives no room for 'sequels'.
4) Muhammad literally married a nine year old. Something that is a big fat no-no for both Christians and Jews.
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LinkNZeldaForever In reply to Graeystone [2015-07-09 03:13:31 +0000 UTC]
Well if Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all considered from the same pool of Abraham faith, then I will have to disagree with you when you say Islam has "nothing" to do with the other two. Through out history the three have been joined at the hip as it were for the better and or for the worse. Now are they considered the exact same religion? Of course not, other wise they would not need to be distinguished between the three, but they all believe in the same god, regardless of what name and they believe in Jesus although to what extent is also an entirely different matter. Just as in some places, even though one religion may be prefered, if you were at least one of the three you would still be ok.
The first one I would say you are correct. The second proves their interpretation and same god, just different ways of interpreting it. Three is looking at it from a Christian standpoint and change things to suit their needs. So saying there is nothing past Revelations is only because someone wrote it, not because it will actually turn out that way. And as far as four is concerned, I have heard as early as twelve for Mohammad, not nine, but again different interpretations as well as he married her that young, but did not lay down with her until she was much older. As far as I know when a child hits puberty she is considered able to be married in some countries, while others say she is at least considered coming into womanhood, while others still give varying set dates/years.
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Graeystone In reply to LinkNZeldaForever [2015-07-09 14:43:12 +0000 UTC]
Let's look at the second since there is a disagreement - Its really 'rewriting history'. Look at it another way - a hundred years from now people start to make a big push claiming that Carter beat Reagan in the 1980 US Presidential Election contrary to what all the history books say. Of course it sounds ridiculous and it is. If a person can understand that then shouldn't they same feelings about rewriting Isaac and Ishmael?
Number 3 -
Rev 22:18 -For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 -And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
The Koran has End Time Prophecies yet the Bible(Book of Revelation) says not to add or subtract any of it. If Muhammad(or whoever), claiming to be part of the 'Legacy' has added prophecy to the coming end days then they condemned themselves. The Bible is full of warnings about such things.
And its not a Christian thing only-
Jer 14:14 0 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Even Jews of the Old Testament had to put up with false prophets.
What Jesus said about 'offending'(harming) 'little ones' (children)-
Luk 17:2 - It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
I think a 9-12 year old girl qualifies as a 'little one' and forcing one into a marriage to a fully grown adult as 'offensive'.
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LinkNZeldaForever In reply to Graeystone [2015-07-11 05:23:10 +0000 UTC]
I understand what you are saying. But to be fair, the Jews and Christians rewrote history themselves. Where do you think the Jews got all their fascinating stories from? They did not live through them exactly as they wrote, they borrowed from other nations/peoples/religions, even those that enslaved them and added some extra fluff to make it more exciting and an interesting read from their POV. Then Jesus came along and the Jews claimed him false and the Christians (I am not even sure they historically considered themselves Christians at the time, just pulling away from the other Jews as it were more or less.) claimed him true and then wrote history as they saw fit. Then came the Muslims and the process repeats and each one claims to be correct as if the word of God was spoken into the ears of the writers.
If we can say that Islam is false, simply because they were the last of the three and contradicted what was written or taught, then Christianity would be false in the eyes of the Jews and to the rest of the world the Jews are false. So really in the end, none of the three are true, no matter how many quotes you can post or how hard and or for how long you can bible thump. However I do like the last quote you gave. I had read it before in the Bible, but lost track as to where and was having a discussion about it in another place and could not find it again. Mainly regarding Catholic Priests. One would assume the safest place to be (At least in this day and age anyway.) would be in a church and in the presence of a Priest. But that is not always the case. And although I do not believe it to be as mainstream as some would tout, I do believe it is more than the Church lets on to.
And you accuse Mohammed of marrying a 9-12 years old (Again I am not sure if he "laid down" with that person or not but he was married to her and I would have assumed he had, even though more modern Muslims will say differently.) However check out the Wiki for age of consent. You will find laws only a couple of hundred years ago even in the US, not to mention Europe for as young as 10-12 and maybe even younger, although some earlier ages may just be for marriage and the actual act much later. So were not all these "New Americans/Europeans", who by the way were slaughtering Natives and enslaving Africans, Godly Christians?
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Graeystone In reply to LinkNZeldaForever [2015-07-11 15:05:20 +0000 UTC]
Jews and Christians rewrote their history according to whom? I know what you're talking about concerning Jews 'borrowing' from other religions like the Babylonians - there is only one problem with that theory - the Jews really didn't get involved with Babylon until they were exiled to /taken over by the Babylonians. The Jews already had their Scriptures(mainly through Moses). To say the Jews 'borrowed' from other cultures like that is a bit foolish. The issues between Christian and Jew is somewhat more complicated than just where Jesus was coming from.
That's a giant problem with 'trust'(Priest). The Bible actually says to be 'cynical' toward everyone concerning spiritual matters. Even Jesus was 'tested' by 'Doubting Thomas'. Did Jesus tell off Thomas for asking for Proof of Resurrection? No. Jesus said it was good that Thomas did. Blind Faith is no Faith At All.
Marrying anyone that young in any era is morally wrong. And what about the Europeans/New Americans attacking the Tribes? How is that any different than when the Tribes attacked the Europeans/New Americans? And what about the Africans who still enslave their fellow Africans?
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LinkNZeldaForever In reply to Graeystone [2015-07-12 07:10:15 +0000 UTC]
You say it is foolish for thinking the Jews borrowed from other people. You say that they already had their own scriptures (Or even the majority of them.) before Babylon. But where did Moses come from? Egypt right? And were they not highly spiritual as well? And if we take out all the supernatural and sci-fi stuff out of the Bible and just assume that at least half or even a quarter of the rest of it is some what accurate, then the Jews were in contact with many other civilizations as well before Moses. To say Jews had no help or influence from other civilizations is very foolish. And I am not speaking strictly of when Moses accuses of worshiping graven images or other common things back then as evil either, just to promote his one god religion.
Now a days blind faith is all we have. "Just have faith...", "God's/Allah's Will...", among a few others I can not think of right now, is all people can say. "It's in the scriptures, you should believe." Not a shred of evidence that God or any god for that matter ever existed as the scriptures or the Church preaches. Just something to keep the sheep (the ignorant) in check while the shepherds (The church) control the masses.
I am sorry, I guess history must be different for both of us. The Whites came in ships and kept coming. They broke treaty after treaty and all but destroyed most Native culture, as they had done with the Incas and Aztecs in the lower Americas. To say that the Natives defending themselves is no different from the out right slaughtering and raping of the lands and Native people by the Whites is a grave injustice. Also what does Africans owning slaves have to do with godly Christians owning slaves?
Also, although we can both agree that marrying anyone that young is immoral and quite frankly disgusting, it is only immoral because of our upbringing in this day and age. As I said only a couple of hundred years ago it would of been perfectly normal, maybe even encouraged to marry so young. Hell, you could own slaves, lynch people with out impunity, torture for the sake of the Church, etc. But times have changed. And quite frankly it is all just a matter of opinion. What makes it wrong to do one thing in one place, but not wrong in another? Because someone said it was immoral and a law was passed. For thousands of years it was not so, but it has changed.
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floolf03 In reply to LinkNZeldaForever [2015-02-24 01:43:09 +0000 UTC]
I just spent 15 minutes typing a logical reply and then clicked out of the window instead of sending it. Screw me, I guess. But you are the first person I ever met who was actually willing to have a serious, honest and open discussion about an important topic. So I'll do my best to rebuild it. Here we go:
I think religion has been poisioned. And that phrase is used too much by religious people, too. Because it wasn't poisioned by the gays, the people that are pro-abortion or women refusing to dress like a ninja, (and if she chooses to, I completely accept that, too), but religious people themselves. It's been poisioned by the belief that everything about god's word is true. Because it can't be. Nothing can ever be completely flawless. Nature isn't, because somewhere someone just gave birth to a disabled child, and there are thousands of planets being sucked into stars and being hit by asteroids and meteors right in this very moment somewhere out there. Even gravity isn't 100% logical, if you take the idea of dark matter for example, (if you haven't heard from it, a quick google search will make your day, it completely screws over many things people thought to be completely logical...) and really, I could go on and on about that.
And people are scared of that. In saying the bible or the qur'an aren't 100% reasonable, you take away many of their values, wether they are good or bad values. However, that's where the IS and Al Quaida come to play. Because when something's 100% true, there can't be any contradictions, yet there are. Parts of the qur'an say you should love everyone, and killing is a sin, but others tell you women should get stoned for, I don't know, wearing pink tops. That's because religious books were written by many different people over houndreds of years, each having different oppinions of how the world should work. Of course, those people were defending their own oppinion to be true the same as we all do today. People didn't change too much, I assume. Basically, Al Quaida and the IS take the bad, and often wrong parts of "their" religious books and act like they tell them to. And in saying "Hold on, not all of the qur'an tells you to stone women!", many would admit that parts of their religion are faulty. Just like everything is.
And that leads us back to what I said before. However, you can not tell a muslim he can't be a muslim any more, because that's a part of who he is. And we can't all have the same oppinion of what religion should be. That's why different religions exist. We can't all be the same. That doesn't just apply to religions, but to everything. You might say eating with your hands is gross, while an indian man might say it's normal, however he'd be disgusted if you tried to shake his hand with your right hand. And he's entitled to be. Because there's nothing wrong with having different oppinions or beliefs. Everything's about equally right and wrong, and there will never be an ultimate, flawless system. And even if there was, that would make us not humans, but robots.
But, it's also completely normal to discuss an opinion to figure out if it's more or less valuable. Well, that's where things massively fail. Because instead of admitting that neither of the systems are flawless, people start to act like the sh*t they are throwing stinks less than that of the opponent.
If people would accept that what they are doing isn't 100% wrong, nor 100% right, religions could be modern and advanced, keeping up to date with technology and modern values, because we could just cut out the whole "burn people for adultry" thing. And Terrorists would have nowhere to grasp onto, all of their excuses could just be ignored.
People need to accept that what they are doing is wrong, and so the part of the qur'an they rely on must be faulty.
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LinkNZeldaForever In reply to floolf03 [2015-02-24 06:50:55 +0000 UTC]
Religious fanatics will simply counter anything you say that is false about their religion as, “God has a purpose you simply can not comprehend and or understand...”, the always tried, “Just have faith...” and “God willing...” Yea God was willing to watch the US bomb your house by mistake and kill your babies or terrorists would burn and or behead you... Yes, you had faith that Catholic Priests of all people would not molest your child... And we as ignorant humans could never hope to understand what God's purpose truly is and yet we are told every day or at least once a week if you still go to Church what God wants, by generally a man... Something is not adding up here...
There is no “God's word”, unless you want to take into account the stone tablets He “supposedly” wrote on twice. Everything else is man's word. And you are right, why are their disabled children? Why do children die early from cancers as their parents helplessly watch? Why are children molested, raped, made into young brides, sold as sex slaves, etc.? Does god truly not care? Is he too busy? Is he sleeping? Has he left us to our own devices, in which case why bother worshiping him at all? I would not love a father that had abandoned me as a child that is for sure and when I most needed him. Or maybe He never truly ever existed to begin with or certainly not to the extent we are taught by the Church.
And I have heard of black matter before, but I wont lie and say I know all about it. But I understand the gist of the concept anyway. Believe it or not I respect Muslims for their faith and for not straying too far from their religious texts, although there are slight variations like the full black veil with only the eye slits showing, while others wear a full head covering but face showing and others still just wear a simple scarf like hajib. I mean it shows that they do actually believe in something and not curtailing simply because we live in a modern era like the Christians have done to gain popularity or keep females in their congregation with out excessive force, etc. Just as not all Muslim men have four wives or even beat them or rape them or not allow their daughters to go to school. But because it is either in the text some where or is hinted at and is interpreted that way or even some smeg head came later down the road and said I am all important, hear me and obey me, as in the top guy for ISIS, some people will follow.
But it boggles the mind how a religion can say a woman must dress and act a certain way or else they could be abused otherwise by strangers, when potentially their own husbands have no qualms of raping them. I am speaking of horrible people, not Muslim men in general, but that could be for any horrible man or woman in any religion to be honest. Just as some in the US justified owning slaves because there is a single passage in the Bible (May be more, but my point stands.) that says owning slaves is ok. At one point in our history (Sadly many points in our history, but again using it as a reference.) it was ok or at least deemed relevant.
I remember on Peace TV, a leading speaker was trying to make a statement of if you had two women (Let's say twins for the sake of argument.) and one dressed moderately as in Muslim garb, while the other wore more sluttier clothing as in Western ones, which one would be raped? Of course every one there was already Muslim and or on the verge of being converted so they said the Western clothed girl, which I can agree with to a certain degree depending on the circumstances. But he left one major and obvious point out of the discussion. What if both girls were wearing moderate and Muslim clothing? He acted as if the hajib had magical or holy powers when it obviously does not.
So if both girls were dressed as a Muslim and you had a guy who wanted to rape for the sake of having sex, one or both would still be raped, regardless of what they were wearing and that is a fact. And if the point was being Muslim or having Islam as your religion is so great and I am not saying it isn't, but here is my point, then why bother with the hajib or moderate Muslim clothing for females at all if a Muslim man is always godly and good? This is of course speaking of Muslim women, dressing moderately with in Muslim countries. Basically he was just trying to make himself and or his religion sound better, but failed, at least in my eyes, but he was not preaching to me anyway, but to the hundreds or thousands of others. And of course they all nodded and applauded him and I just rolled my eyes and shook my head ruefully.
And I have done that many a time where I was typing something over a long period and something happened and it went away. I tend to type in a word program now and save periodically if it is going to be any kind of length. Just saves so much time in the long run and headaches later on.
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