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Regardless of it's acronym, ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham) is not Islam and you should never confuse them. Those who categorize all Muslims as terrorists are no better than the terrorists themselves. You are helping to spread fear and hatred and that is what ISIS wants. They do not need to do major attacks or acts of terrorism, when simply using a gun man or two or a bomb can change a whole society against the majority of peaceful Muslims. That works right into their recruitment tactics, because those Muslims who now feel alienated because of fear and hate pushed on them when they themselves have done nothing wrong, may go to the extreme. Not all of course, in fact not even the majority. But this is what ISIS is hoping for, since if only a handful goes it is more than they already had. Plus it strains our communities. And that helps no one but ISIS and that is not what the world or even Muslims want or need.And we have this idea that ISIS is attacking all these non-Muslims only; as in Jews and Christians or foreign journalists because that is what usually gets spot lighted in the news. But the majority of their victims are fellow Muslims who may not be as extreme as them. (Most Muslims are not extreme at all to begin with.) Muslims who simply want to have a better life for their family, especially their wives, daughters, sisters and mothers. Where women and young girls are married off, enslaved and raped, some by several ISIS fighters at a time. Where young boys are made into child soldiers, others are left orphaned and men are burned alive and beheaded, sometimes in massive executions. And those who do manage to flee are forced into refugee camps due to the fighting, where most are dire places and some live there for years. (But these border countries and these camps are trying to do a good service I should note. These places are not meant to be the new homes, only temporary shelters. But the fighting lasts so long, there are no jobs, these countries who are housing these refugees may already have a strained economy, etc. makes life for every one, especially the refugees more difficult. And the saddest part of all, is that even when they are not the nicest of places, the refugees where their homes have been destroyed have no where else to go, but the influx is so great they are sometimes turned away... it is really an appalling situation I wish no one should ever have to go through, especially children.) And there are other Muslims who simply want to live in peaceful coexistence with all other nationalities and religions.
It is a threat the entire world will face if this type of extreme ideology/organizations are not smothered out completely. Even if you think you can do nothing, simply saying a kind word to a Muslim (Or anyone for that matter.) will spread the seeds of love and help stop the hatred. Do your own research so you are not blinded by ignorance and Fox News is of no value. See something unfair, speak up. Fight for another's rights. And never let a day go by where you can not do something to better someone else and at the same time yourself. Take care.
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ISIS is hardly non-islamic when they simply follow the 1400 years old islamic doctrine to the letter.
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But was it really that old or something only a few hundred years old ago created or reimagined?
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Historically relevant biographies of Mohammed are by general rule at least over 1000 years old as oral tradition has its flaws.
Also one has to remember that Islam is a self-contradictory dualistic religion. This is much due to Islam being whatever was the most suitable for Mohammed at the time.
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The doctrine/tradition in some form or another may be old, even if just by idea only and not practice. However the majority of crap now is because from a few hundred years ago. Even text is flawed because man wrote it. Not even the actual people doing these supposed miracles wrote it themselves. Those who wanted to either tell a good story or push an agenda were the writers. And all three of the Abrahamic faiths are flawed- Judaism, Christianity and Islam to serve their own needs not only then, but even now. Just as Daesh and their ilk are using Islam, twisting it to make it seem like they are right.
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Would you say that people following the example of the character Jesus are not true christians?
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Do child molesting Catholic priests follow the example of Jesus? Because I am pretty sure they were chosen for their hard work, dedication and faith in their religion and I would assume trying to be Christ like in some form or fashion. O_o
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So you are saying that catholic priests are not christians?
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No I'm not. But are you?
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So what makes you think Daesh are actual Muslims then? You can dress a turd real nice and even spray perfume on it, but in the end it is still a smelly turd, just a nicely dressed and sickeningly sweet smelling one. But I would be quick just to flush it down the toilet regardless.
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"So what makes you think Daesh are actual Muslims then?"
The Islamic scriptures they base their actions on and the example of their prophet Mohammed.
If one can prove beyond reasonable doubt that something they do is unislamic then they will stop doing it. Like the they no longer execute people in their underwear because its Haram.
What makes you think that they are not Muslim or what they follow is not islam?
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Daesh and other extremists, regardless of belief, use religion to their advantage and pick and choose what to follow from said text. Regardless how many times it says to love and forgive one another, to live side by side peacefully or at the very least be tolerant, even to a stranger, if one passage says to kill or years later another group adds worse things to it, they will take that and roll with it. Even if something does not even say anything close to it, if it is read and interpreted in such a way, they will still do it. Christians have done it for years. The KKK use the bible to some how justify their actions. And who in their right minds actually believes what they say!? Not many and thank goodness for that! Other Christians actually denounce the KKK, which makes sense, just as other Muslims denounce Daesh. Just as you denounce Catholic priests who have molested children and I would also assume those who knew the truth and tried to hide it or even helped them carry out the horrid acts in some way.
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"Daesh and other extremists, regardless of belief, use religion to their advantage and pick and choose what to follow from said text. Regardless how many times it says to love and forgive one another, to live side by side peacefully or at the very least be tolerant, even to a stranger, if one passage says to kill or years later another group adds worse things to it, they will take that and roll with it."
If you employer gives you an order on monday and a mutually exclusive one on friday, would you disobey the order given on friday because of the order given on monday?
And how do you think most people would react to that?
IS follows Islamic scriptures in a chronological order or they adhere to the concept of abrogation, which is logical.
And for what ends would they pick and choose what they want? Why pursue death if they don't truly believe that they will get into paradise?
"Even if something does not even say anything close to it, if it is read and interpreted in such a way, they will still do it. Christians have done it for years. The KKK use the bible to some how justify their actions. And who in their right minds actually believes what they say!? Not many and thank goodness for that! Other Christians actually denounce the KKK, which makes sense, just as other Muslims denounce Daesh.
Just as you denounce Catholic priests who have molested children and I would also assume those who knew the truth and tried to hide it or even helped them carry out the horrid acts in some way."
I haven't denounced them as catholics. Thing with christianity is that Jesus as a character is some kind of a hippy while Mohammed was a 6:th century warlord.
Now I have to admit that by the standards of the time he wasn't that bad but the same could be said of Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar.
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Monday and Friday? Tuesday and Saturday? Wednesday and Sunday? That means nothing. If what you meant was to follow orders regardless, as if someone gave an order to shoot little kids, women and men on sight with out weapons just because their superior told them to, hopefully you would not do it. Most people would not or I "hope" would not.
Most do not pursue death. The suicide bombers are few and far between, some were the most fanatical/ignorant, or were forced into it in some way, but the average Daesh? No. They are doing what they find fun- raping and torturing women and children and murdering men or anything that does not please them, blowing stuff up and destroying things. I would say they were degenerates myself. They do what they want, when they want and how they want, provided they play "the game". It is "the game" people allow them to play that is the problem.
For some reason I thought you had denounced the child molesting Catholic Priests... I guess I had misread your claim. I am both saddened and quite disgusted. I mean I guess you are right, if God really did not want us to harm children he would have clearly put that in the 10 Commandments right? I mean honor your father and mother was there... do not commit adultery was slipped in although horridly left open to interpretation... do not covet your neighbors wife... I guess innocent children was some how left out to fend for themselves...
And you are right. Things that were happening or supposedly happening in Mohammad's time were different, although war always seem to be a constant thing religious people or even people in general do. So is power and greed.
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Monday and Friday? Tuesday and Saturday? Wednesday and Sunday? That means nothing. If what you meant was to follow orders regardless, as if someone gave an order to shoot little kids, women and men on sight with out weapons just because their superior told them to, hopefully you would not do it. Most people would not or I "hope" would not."
And if the order is given by a prophet next to god? Why follow scriptures in the first place if one does not believe in them?
Members of IS simply follow clear written objective orders.
Most do not pursue death. The suicide bombers are few and far between, some were the most fanatical/ignorant, or were forced into it in some way, but the average Daesh? No. They are doing what they find fun- raping and torturing women and children and murdering men or anything that does not please them, blowing stuff up and destroying things. I would say they were degenerates myself. They do what they want, when they want and how they want, provided they play "the game". It is "the game" people allow them to play that is the problem.
People with such tendencies are certainly more attracted to a ideology that gives moral justification for such acts. However that does not prove that these people do not represent this ideology.
And even then they are obliged to follow Sharia and do not commit these acts at will but according to the Islamic Doctrine. In the end they are somewhat predictable once one bothers to read it.
For some reason I thought you had denounced the child molesting Catholic Priests... I guess I had misread your claim. I am both saddened and quite disgusted. I mean I guess you are right, if God really did not want us to harm children he would have clearly put that in the 10 Commandments right? I mean honor your father and mother was there... do not commit adultery was slipped in although horridly left open to interpretation... do not covet your neighbors wife... I guess innocent children was some how left out to fend for themselves...
You misunderstood me. I'm all for throwing them with the book but I'm not saying this would make them something else than catholics.
And you are right. Things that were happening or supposedly happening in Mohammad's time were different, although war always seem to be a constant thing religious people or even people in general do. So is power and greed.
So how was it unislamic?
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You follow or interrupt as you see fit in order to gain believers and followers, as it has been done since most religions were created. How do you unite people who other wise are as different as night and day? Make a religion or change it to suit your needs. If every Muslim believed as extremely as Daesh does, this would be a much different argument, but they do not and it is not. So you take the worst of society and shine something over it so you fool the weak, while you still justify your unholy actions.
If we stopped playing with these bastards and stop funding the people who train and teach this crap to begin with, this would not even be an issue. But we have allowed it to continue and we even do business in the billions with these pricks and their supporters. Daesh follow their dicks, not their soul. Anyone who does the mass slaughtering, raping and torture as these people have, are not doing it simply because what someone wrote in a book, but because they find gratification in doing it. Have you ever really believed when a mass murderer, serial killer/rapist says he was told to do it or it was oked by God? We know better than that.
History is also rather predictable. We keep making the same damn mistakes our forefathers have and we are still making them even now and with the wrong people in power who thinks of greed, rather than with their hearts, we will continue to do so.
“So how was it unislamic?”
I am not sure what you mean.
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You follow or interrupt as you see fit in order to gain believers and followers, as it has been done since most religions were created. How do you unite people who other wise are as different as night and day? Make a religion or change it to suit your needs. If every Muslim believed as extremely as Daesh does, this would be a much different argument, but they do not and it is not. So you take the worst of society and shine something over it so you fool the weak, while you still justify your unholy actions.
If we stopped playing with these bastards and stop funding the people who train and teach this crap to begin with, this would not even be an issue. But we have allowed it to continue and we even do business in the billions with these pricks and their supporters. Daesh follow their dicks, not their soul. Anyone who does the mass slaughtering, raping and torture as these people have, are not doing it simply because what someone wrote in a book, but because they find gratification in doing it. Have you ever really believed when a mass murderer, serial killer/rapist says he was told to do it or it was oked by God? We know better than that.
I fail to see your argument here. We know that their scriptures and give sufficient justification for their acts and why would they lie about why they are committing these acts?
I am not sure what you mean.
How is ISIS not Islam?
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Because they want power and as many recruits as possible. If they just did the raping, the torturing and the killing, everyone would think them monsters. But because they use religion, some ignorant people will be like, "oh that's justified". The Quran may call for certain things, but there are other parts that contradicts them, (Just like the Bible contradicts itself.) plus common sense. (We no longer live in Mohammad's day) Otherwise all Muslims or the majority of Muslims would be Daesh, but again that I not the case.
Daesh is not Islam, just as KKK is/are not Christians. Now you can argue all you want, but they are denounced, both of them.
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Because they want power and as many recruits as possible. If they just did the raping, the torturing and the killing, everyone would think them monsters. But because they use religion, some ignorant people will be like, "oh that's justified".
Being the number 1 choice of excuse for raping, torturing and killing is not proof that it does not really justify it.
The Quran may call for certain things, but there are other parts that contradicts them, (Just like the Bible contradicts itself.)
Yes but if you follow the texts in a chronological order then the actions of IS are justified by Islam. To prove that IS is unislamic you would have to prove the same about the later actions of its Prophet. You know a bit like proving that Jesus was not really a christian.
plus common sense.
Common sense has left the train a few stations ago when we talk about obeying orders of a imaginary friend of dude who died over 1000 years ago in the first place.
(We no longer live in Mohammad's day)
And?
Otherwise all Muslims or the majority of Muslims would be Daesh, but again that I not the case.
Even during the days of Mohammed they had issues rallying enough muslims to do Jihad.
And today some do not follow their religion systematically, some prefer the earlier verses, some follow a school that does not take its holy scriptures literally, some are unwilling to do Jihad, some only go along with flow, some can't stand the sight of blood, ect
However none of that disproves the narrative of IS.
Also there was not very much resistance by the native Sunni population against IS. When IS first occupied Mosul they were outnumbered by the local population about thousand to one and were welcomed.
The majority will neither support nor oppose islamists. Unless of course they are of the opposite branches like Sunni militia will find it hard in a Shia city and vice versa.
Daesh is not Islam, just as KKK is/are not Christians.
Why? How would you prove to muslim youth targeted by IS that their narrative is unislamic?
Now you can argue all you want, but they are denounced, both of them.
Thing is that it would have to happen by people with enough authority. Well the pope condemning KKK does damage their credibility but with IS the problem is that well closest thing to a Sunni muslim pope is either a saudi wahhabist or the leader of the Islamic State.
Besides youth can today just open up the internet and read for themselves.
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They belive in allah, the kills for allah. They are muslims. And other muslims enjoy the terrorists attacks in Europe.
Belgian teacher wrote, that muslim children clapped in the classroom, when he told them about the attack in Belgium.
I saw the notices on fb, where muslims were satisfied that.
Kill unbelieving, beat your wife-she is worse than the man...tch...
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I could say the same about groups who use the Christian God and the bible and Christ etc. to justify their actions not being true Christian
Nazis, for example. By now I'm sure the whole world knows what they did to Jews, not to mention gays. Gott über alles and their German crosses, anyone?
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NOT saying Germany is a nazi state, or that all Germans are nazis, or that all nazis are German. That's all pure bull, sorry.
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We've got plenty skinheads right here in America, along with the KKK. Guess what, I'm sure the KKK claim that they're Christians too. They use and abuse their religion, they make peaceful Chrisians look bad. If America was founded by Muslims and the Middle East were on the news because of claiming-to-be-Christian terrorism, there'd be the same hate running around.
If ISIS is religious, which it seems to want to be, then they're an extremist minority and reflect badly on the ones who AREN'T sending bombs, enslaving women, and shooting children.
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religion is not an excuse for violence and hate, whatever the faith being cited.
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islam is all about caliphates, just like this modern caliphate that is called isis or the islamic state.
caliphates are about conquering and expanding their territory in the name of the muslim people and faith. caliphate is a muslim empire that represent islam and muslims. and this is what is ISIS
nobody is really against them cause of their "terror". ISIS activity is almost completely dedicated for conquering lands by fighting(it isn't "terror") and manage the lands they captured.
ISIS is using terror and obviously can be called "terrorist group" but the fact is that it isn't that matter, they aren't really hated for some terror attacks and it isn't the main part of their activity.
ISIS represent the original islam, the islam that existed before the fall of the former(some call it the last) caliphate in the beginning of the 20th century and it's replacement by many arab states that dosn't really represent any people or nationality other than the arab one.
those arab states are created by the west, they created new borders and even used the roman names of the roman province of "syria palestina" (the judea province after being united with the province of syria) to give to the lands they conquered.
the british empire conquered parts of the ottoman provinces of damscus, beirut and jerusalem (that was part of damascus province only 30 years before that) and called it "the british mandate of palestine" and both the british and the french did the same with other lands they conquered from the ottoman caliphate.
there isn't fake islam or fake muslims, but if someone is fake it is the so called "peaceful" muslims which support fake arab nationalities instead of a caliphate. cause nobody can say that the former caliphates are 'fake muslims' or something like that.
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you are the one who confuse between the non-arab and non-islamic peoples that lived in the "arab world" (like kurds and assyrians that still exist today but there is not much of assyrians left) and where conquered by the caliphates.
caliphates existed since muhammad's death and they represented islam and the muslim community since muhammad's death, the meaning of the name "caliph"(the leader of the caliphate) is "successor" and in that context the successor of muhammad as the leader of islam and the caliphate. the caliphates existed all the years until the beginning of the 20th century where the ottoman empire(which where a caliphate) fell.
you just can't compare between the caliphates and the holy roman empire, when the roman empire adopted christianity as a state religion(after years of presecuting christians and christianity in the name of rome original pagan religion) it was nothing but the 4th country to adopt christianity after armenia, ethiopia, and the kingdom of iberia(today's georgia), and none of those countries is european, two of them in the middle east and one(ethiopia) in africa.
and you really needs to stop spreading this russian propaganda of "russia today" about how everything bad is come from the US and its allies which is most of the world actualy exept russia and their few allies. even if it was practical to recruit 100,000 men from around the world as somekind of secrete agents, you(and that dumb russian propaganda) ignore the fact that the ideology of a caliphate and other kinds of "radical islam" existed way before the US and way before the russians formed their failed commonist empire and the whole dumb and fake ideology behind it.
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uhm, I have to disagree over that one, Basically the Roman Catholics must always have a Vatican just like the Muslims must always have Mecca.
The Caliphate ,religious or not, is a form of government that believes in violently subjugating non believers and females and also strongly encourages territorial expansion by the sword. We don't need such a government in the 21st century.
The foreign sponsorship of ISIS is without doubt correct. But if ISIS is just some band of criminal mercenaries, then why do they create a pure Islamic authority in places where they control, mercenaries are after money and not religion, mercenaries take in fighters from all religions. Mercenaries don't establish governments and want to expand their influence.
I don't get it, ISIS which consists of only Muslims who either force people to convert or let them live as Dhimmis, are considered simply as some band of mercenaries? whereas regular soldiers of Assad's regime are considered as Muslims even though they are from different religions and work for money?
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Holy cow, you are regurgitating one of the most crappiest theories someone could ever cook up. ISIS is not some illusion joke created by Zionazis.
Then you are insulting their prophet by saying he was not pure Islamic.
Of course they are doing exactly what he did, you just don’t see it because you are a dimwit.
Yeah right, caliphate has ZERO to do with Islam and its teachings to subjugate women.
You just went full retard with that shit.
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zionist is way better than a communist(not calling you a communist) that think the whole world should be a pet for the communist empire or being deemed as an evil US supporter.
decapitation is mentioned in the quran and by early islamic scholars as a legitimate way of punishing. there is nothing special in the beheading made by ISIS or even islam.
the beheading and other "unusual" ways of executions is just something the media likes to focuse on. and the same goes for many accusation made on this organization only cause of the pure hatred against them.
don't get me wrong i am defenitely against ISIS but the media treat them as pure evil and the most evil thing ever existed while the fact is that they aren't more evil than the more common murderers around the world.
you got misleaded by the wild russian propaganda that shoots blindly against anyone in the world cause russia had left with very few allies which some of them are one leg in the grave like bashar assad.
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And conquistadores weren't Christian?!
Catholics and Protestants used to slaughter each other for centuries (see the Wars of Religion). This didn't make them less Christian.
And the Muslims who say: "the Quran forbids to kill innocents, therefore terrorists aren't Muslim!" should realize something: terrorists never say: "hey, we're killing innocents" They say "we're killing infidels and bad Muslims". To their eyes, all their victims are ennemies of the true Islam. In their mind, they never kill innocents. Since Islam allows to attack its ennemies, they can keep a clear conscience.
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Were the Conquistadors Islamic? were they Buddhists?
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And the Catholics had nothing to do with it?
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People often mistakes Islam, Islam never promote violence. Never look at muslim people and judge Islam, kindly look at in Quran for understanding Islam. In quran its mentioned killing a man is equal to killing he whole humanity. So how come this ISIS be a Islam, they just say thy are Islam but they really dont follow Islam.
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ok then, Inquisitors were not Catholics?
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I said most Inquisitors were Catholic. Learn to read dumbass.
Mother of God, your delusions have reached a whole new level. Now you’re claiming Bolshevik IllumiNaZionists are pretending to be ISIS.
Seriously!, Zionists doing what exactly Mohammad taught. Visit a shrink before your mental health gets worse.
Yeah right, ISIS is totally not Islamic. I don’t have time for your stupid conspiracy theories and Bullshit links.
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You might just as well say that medieval Vatican was not christianity. Sure its not all of Islam like it leaves out Sunni muslims but it is the true Islam for those who support it.
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If they are just a pack of mercenaries, then why do they quote the Quran and the Hadith all the time? Why do they carry out things exactly like mentioned in their holy books?
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Because the Talmud doesn't command you to kill non-believers you moron.
Those are exactly what their prophet taught them to do.
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Heh, even Osama Bidloudin didn't actually want an Islamic state.
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