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1317 Reasons Christianity is FalseMatthew 16:28
“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Jesus also advised against going to court against someone who steals from you and also told people not to store up stocks or reserves for the future. Clearly, he thought the end was very near.
Likewise, Paul advised followers not to marry and that the end time was near. In this scripture he obviously believes that some of the people he is talking to will still be alive at the second coming.
I Thessalonians 4: 16-18
“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.”
The obvious fact is that the second coming was not forthcoming at that time, or even close to being near. The nearly 2000-year delay is a strong piece of evidence that Christianity is a failed religion.
The following quote from Stephen L. Harris, Professor Emeritus of Humanities and Religious Studies at California State University- Sacramento, completes this point with a devastating argument. Remember that Jesus was a Jew who had no intention to deviate from the Hebrew scriptures:
Jesus did not accomplish what Israel’s prophets said the Messiah was commissioned to do: He did not deliver the covenant people from their Gentile enemies, reassemble those scattered in the Diaspora, restore the Davidic kingdom, or establish universal peace (cf.Isa. 9:6–7; 11:7–12:16 , etc.). Instead of freeing Jews from oppressors and thereby fulfilling God’s ancient promises—for land, nationhood, kingship, and blessing—Jesus died a “shameful” death, defeated by the very political powers the Messiah was prophesied to overcome. Indeed, the Hebrew prophets did not foresee that Israel’s savior would be executed as a common criminal by Gentiles, making Jesus’ crucifixion a “stumbling block” to scripturally literate Jews. (1 Cor.1:23 )
The fact that Jesus was wrong about the end of the world is good news to all of us alive today because otherwise we would not have been born.
Borrowed Miraculous Elements
Most of the miracles discussed in the Gospels were common elements of pre-Christian pagan religions including:
- miraculous foretelling of a deity
- virgin birth
- a guiding star
- a nativity visit by royalty
- the baby god threatened by a jealous ruler
- manifesting extraordinary wisdom in childhood
- turning water into wine
- walking on water
- enabling the lame to walk
- healing the sick
- raising up dead persons
- restoring sight to the blind
- allaying storms on the sea
- casting out devils
- communion with a holy meal representing the god’s body
- being put to death
- the sun becoming dark after the death
- rising from the dead
- talking to disciples after resurrecting
- ascension into heaven
- providing salvation for mankind.
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bib…
The truth is that very few of the miracles discussed in the Bible are unique to Christianity. This is a strong piece of evidence that Christianity is a man-made, cobbled, and fundamentally plagiarized faith.
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In 9,999,999C.E.* the last 23 Christians (out of uncounteded billions on thousands of worlds and orbital colonies) gathered to hear their preacher speak. He thundered, "The time of the Second Coming is nigh! Don't bother with supplies, don't copulate, stay chaste and pure for the Lord Jeezus!" In 10,000,072C.E., the last one, leaving no descendants, died in a Wiccan-run nursing home.
*Common Era, non-religious equivalent of A.D.
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Nice attempt. What Jesus meant is that there will be a lot of disagreement with and hatred aimed at Christianity. Like you’re doing.
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no. what he tried to say was that christianity was going to be cause of division because their controversial world-view
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Saiyanstrong Oh and your avatar is of a character voiced by a sexual harasser who`s being defended by his fanboys on the basis of his Christianity as well as their fandom!Also because one of his accusers was in a relationship with another sexual harasser who is also Catholic,by the way!Funny fucking that,huh?
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He told you that right? And only you know what he meant and what not. While inquisition, they even knew that Jesus wanted the torture. Yep and he loves me, ikr!
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I like swords.
I've been thinking of converting to Celtic or slavic paganism.
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How can you take the Bible out of Context, anyway? The Bible has no Context to begin with!
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well, what can I say against it? True
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Yep, the whole religion is pastiche! It's like if George Lucas or Brian de Palma made a religion
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Star wars is making even more sense and is more logical in my opinon much less contradiction also
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my one guy and only over the course of 30 years
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yeah, it was better coordinated
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way more fun than ripping-off boring old religions
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Not long ago, I argued with an idiot who tried to tell me the "sword" Jesus was talking about was meant to be figurative rather than literal. Just an argument for why the Bible can't be trusted. If I didn't want people to walk on a grassy bit of land I'd put up a sign that said "Keep of the grass" not "Thou shalt not treadeth upon the emerald carpet for it is an abomination."
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I mean, that person is technically correct, it's just that he's accidentally bolstering your point rather than his own. Like, a sword is an object designed solely for violence, so the only things a figurative sword could mean are violence and figurative violence.
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They often forget, that Jesus wasn't an intelectual, he couldn't even write and read. So he had no idea about what "figurative" could mean or metaphorical, he meant it like he said it simply He wasn't the one who wrote the gospels, convicted deceivers did it for him beyondallreligion.net/2012/01/…
Like he said, that he would come back "soon"
“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)
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Aaaaaany day now. Any day now......
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Sounds like you gave it up somehow
My experience, discussions don't make any sense with those kind of guys It's only destroying your nerves and causes headache, because of their idiotic pseudo-"arguments". Did you knew, that Jesus loves you btw? Oh, than everything, what is said and done is okay
Think he is right:
"...to the priestly class - decadence is no more than a means to an end. Men of this sort have a vital interest in making mankind sick, and in confusing the values of "good" and "bad," "true" and "false" in a manner that is not only dangerous to life, but also slanders it."
The Antichrist (1888); Nietzsche
Whatever a theologian regards as true must be false: there you have almost a criterion of truth.
The Antichrist; Nietzsche
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Believe it or not, we were arguing over a cartoon! A really old one called "Peace on Earth" where humans wipe each other out with war and the animals start a new civilization based on the lessons of the Bible. I pointed out that the Bible actually supports war. When someone asked me to name one passage, I gave a dozen. Of course I got the "Old Testament doesn't count" line. (Unless it's the 10 Commandments or gay bashing, of course.) When I got to the stuff Jesus actually said, then the bullshit really started piling up. I think if animals did try to restart civilization based on the Bible (Allegorical fiction, just pretend they have that intelligence) it would turn out more like "Animal Farm" than "Peace on Earth".
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Oh, I believe you TOTALLY! I know that they're ready to arguing about really everything, as long as they have contact with you and can try to convert you
"In religion and politics people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing."
– Mark Twain www.skeptical-science.com/reli…
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You can make a drinking game out of their arguments.
"Old Testament doesn't count!" take a drink
"You're taking it out of context!" take a drink
"La la la, free will, free will, la la la...." take a drink
"Law of thermodynamics which I don't understand myself but it sounded smart when my youth minister said it...." take a drink
Watchmaker's Argument take a drink and ask where God came from
Pascal's Wager take a drink
Description of a miracle that isn't really a miracle take two drinks and debunk them if you're sober enough.
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the newest version/try. Quantum mechanics, even the scientist who work with that the whole day, don't get what is going on there, but than a christian comes along and sais, that this is exacly proving his religion, of course only his
why the old testament doesn't count? because they wish and it counted for so long, not to forget that. the earth was flat for such a long time, because the church said so
out of context and you forget it is always "metaphorical" when proved wrong
free will versus the plan of god, that makes free will impossible, right?
pascal comitted intellectual suicide, so he could go on beliving the stupidity, said Nietzsche. He was too clever, so he had to commit it several times
India has miracles, the ancient greeks had that, too. Every religion has straaange!
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I've heard of some of the Hindu miracles like the idols that supposedly drink milk. (Just very absorbent stone, actually) But while I have heard Ancient Greek myths, I don't know if they had anything that we'd call a miracle. By that I mean not something people said happened but documented (not necessarily accurate) evidence. For example, an Ancient Greek might see someone being revived by CPR as a miracle. Kinda like knowing how the magic trick is done.
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Tacitus in his "annals" described pretty many "miracles" from different ancient religions/cultures, before cristianity existed at all. Voices many people heard, the oracle of delphi stuff like that...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3k0N… here is a fakir cutting up his tongue and somehow manages it to connect the seperated one with the rest of it again
"at least they don't take Jesus as their savior who doesn't able to save him self i am impressed by Christians wiseness."www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEEaZG…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SHK6S…
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Oh yeah, Oracle of Delphi! Nearly forgot that. I think I remember seeing a documentary once on how the fumes came from an underground stream that formed a mild anesthetic that just caused them to babble nonsense. They'd probably get the same results looking at animal entrails. Gotta admit though, if the legend about Croesus is true, the oracle was showing some cleverness.
Sounds a lot like the "My thumb came off!" trick. Or that time Penn and Teller cut a snake in half.
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We both know, it will end in personal attacks and offendings and false accusations on you. Always the same, when they have used all other dirty tricks...
You know the good oly pagan priest Plutarch btw?
in his The Obsolescence of Oracles (Moralia 419 A-E) he wrote also about many ancient miracles and they had many witnesess:
"As for the death among such beings, I have heard the words of a man who was not a fool nor an impostor. The father of Aemilianus the orator, to whom some of you have listened, was Epitherses, who lived in our town and was my teacher in grammar. He said that once upon a time, in making a voyage to Italy, he embarked on a ship carrying freight and many passengers. It was already evening when, near the Echinades Islands, the wind dropped, and the ship drifted near Paxi. Almost everybody was awake, and a good many had not finished their after-dinner wine. Suddenly from the island of Paxi was heard the voice of someone loudly calling Thamus, so that all were amazed. Thamus was an Egyptian pilot, not known by name even to many on board. Twice he was called and made no reply, but the third time he answered; and the caller, raising his voice, said, 'When you come opposite to Palodes, announce that Great Pan is dead.' On hearing this, all, said Epitherses, were astonished and reasoned among themselves whether it was better to carry out the order or to refuse to meddle and let the matter go. Under the circumstances Thamus made up his mind that if there should be a breeze, he would sail past and keep quiet, but with no wind and a smooth sea about the place, he would announce what he had heard. So, when he came opposite Palodes, and there was neither wind nor wave, Thamus, from the stern, looking toward the land, said the words as he had heard them: 'Great Pan is dead.' Even before he had finished, there was a great cry of lamentation, not of one person, but of many, mingled with exclamations of amazement. As many persons were on the vessel, the story was soon spread abroad in Rome, and thamus was sent for by Tiberius Caesar. Tiberius became so convinced of the truth of the story that he caused an inquiry and investigation to be made about Pan; and the scholars, who were numerous at his court, conjectured that he was the son born of Hermes and Penelope ."
www.maicar.com/GML/Pan.html
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I've heard of him but never really studied him. Thanks for the info.
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Lil secret hun... ALL religions are humanistic at base and are central around the human imagination.
Now that still does not disprove or exclude thats there is a god from whom all life flows and in intertwined with throughout the multiverse.. Just means that "God" is not gender based, not in any way ( save knowledge and emotional based as well as part of each and everyone's' life being ) human, plan or animal.
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The hilarious thing is that YHVH Himself doesn't technically have a gender either; being made in His image means that said image must be both male and female. If that sounds strange and impossible to you, go look up what angels look like in their true forms (the winged human thing comes from artistic depictions of angels not in their true forms, to reveal to the viewer that they weren't just humans)
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Clearly not as several religions treat specific demographics as crap
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now what? what is the secret? !!??? All politics are "humanistic" too at their "base", all wars all ideas...
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yes n no. politics is just people being greedy n selfish. it would be a joke if it didnt hurt people.
The thing that separates religion / God is all human things (Wars, politics ,sex, sports, video games, ETC) are done by or fore a human. Life / God / religion are interwoven but not dominate in daily interactions on the observed conscious level.
The universe is 15 billion+ light years across in 2D. in it there are more galaxies than grains of sand from every beach on earth each holding billions n billions of stars ( times 8 for them having planets ! )
n thats just this reality plane.... sorta makes any human idea of "god" well n truly in the dust
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and religious are not greedy and selfish?
"FEMALE PENITENTS THREATENED WITH INQUISITION UNLESS THEY HAD SEX WITH THE PRIEST
In NEWS1675 , we revealed that priests threatened their female penitents in the confessional that, unless they would have sex with them, they would turn them into the Inquisition! So effective was this threat that one dying priest revealed in 1710, "by these diabolical persuasions they were at our command, without fear of revealing the secret." [Page 36, "MASTER-KEY TO POPERY", Father Givens] "
www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1676…
What you're saying can said by everyone, that the 'base' is good (it is only an empty phrase), even by Nazis! You know they thought, they were attacked by other races and jews and had only to defend themselves. In the end it was a catastrophy for both, for the germans and the jews!
"You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act" Matthew 7:16
The religious should better look at their own fruits! Their ones are very stinky, rotten and sick!
You say :
"Life / God / religion are interwoven but not dominate in daily interactions on the observed conscious level."
How do you come to that idea? Just because you would like it that way, or is there also another more valid reason!?
You're watching the news fom time to time??? Religion was and is the first reason, why wars happened/happening.
You seeem to have a very personal idea about your "god", but what if he doesn't is that way you would like to have, what if he is "evil" by your definition??? HM? What if he just like to have fun?
Voltaire — 'God is a comedian playing to an audience that is too afraid to laugh.'
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVH7mZ…
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You make my point so....colorfully.. religions are centered around humans both in thought and deed. NOT anything like a transcendence or encompassing leap of intellectual faith that would divorce the perception ingrained into most and allow the new and more personally meaningful comprehension of "god" and all creation to9 be explored.
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wtf? I make your "point" collorfully? You have no point at all!?! First all religions are good in the "base" (also scientology,colonia dignitat... ) now they're centered around humans? What does that mean? They are good in their base and for themselves alone, but not when humans are around them, or they are around the humans 'more personal meaninful comprehension', by avoiding intellectualism? So, in other words, blind belief? So, when you stop thinking, you have "more meaningful personal comprehension of 'god'"? Good to know that! Why? Because you said that? Why not using your brain also? What comes next, you know the way and plan?
Now you can come up with the next (intellectual) phrases, that say nothing at all, with many many words
You didn't answer my questions btw
"These Great Old Ones, Castro continued, were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape — for did not this star-fashioned image prove it? — but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die..."
The Call of Cthulhu: 'Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.'
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Your arguing from a unrealistic and mistaken point of view.
religions are "good" (for values of good) as far as promoting the desire to learn and understand. However the essence of "God" is not found in any of them except in the mist minic=scule and fundamental ways and that is simply by the interconnections of all life.
Now every religious belife is either based around human perceptions, human desires for power, control, rules, cultural moors, ECT.. and every one of them has at the base root of them everything to do with the timed ( era/epoch) perception of the myth that Humans are somehow central to everything because we are all that there is to intelligent ( yes that's a double entard and the other half is a joke reference) life and therefor everything we "know" is all based around us humans from including our basis for all religious beliefs.
What this central human bias fails to grasp is that Humans are NOT ( as has been believed for so long and still is in the majority) central to anything except personal selfishness. The reality of "god" and all of the other "truths" that every religious belief propagates ( including I find most humorous the religion of Atheism !) is no where near anything that can be so cut, dried and easily understood and spoon fed to the masses yet the very fact that we are living beings is the most definite prof that the belief in life is valid.,. ( Matrix movies not withstanding)
This shows that there IS a connectivness between life and everything within life. What this does not include ( and to every religious belief ) is the Laws" that those who are in charge of whatever belief want others to be made to follow using various forms of control over... In short all religions are about a group of people who want to have power over others. ( yes again including Atheism ) Yet all fail to grasp that it is each individual life that adds to the whole thru our lives that is the most important and it is only human central selfishness that wants to deny they all life is so connected and no one part has control ( or the need to or right to ) control another part.
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