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Prinonosuchus vs Rhizodusen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prionosuβ¦
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my gut feeling says the fish. The prinosuchus seems to 'slim' (Long snout and long tail) leaving to many 'weak spots' should the rhizodus grab hold. also any underwater fight I suspect would favour the fish if it came to a grapple (held on for long enough, the prinosuchus runs the risk of drowning). The 'armoured' head of the fish would provide protection from direct attacks. To win, the pronosuchus would need to ambush, maybe lay on the bottom and surge up, striking the underside of the rhizodus. whichever can damage the other's tail first would also gain a sizable advantage in terms of mobility.
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Verdicts for the remaining fights on our list?
Short Face Bear vs. MegalaniaΒ
Saurosuchus vs. Megalania
Tarbosaurus vs. Saurophaganax
Dinopithecus vs. Hyaenodon
Dunkleosteus vs. Cameroceras
If you'd also like to analyse the Andrewsarchus vs Megalania fight that was to be used before we swapped it for the bear? Plus would you like to do more art for these coming fights? You've already picked Dunk vs Camo, and Christopher Srnka from the Facebook group volunteered to do the Tarbosaurus vs Saurophaganx fight art.Β
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dunkleosteus vs cameroseras;
gut says dunk right off the bat.
similar size (Dunk at 10, and cam at 9m)
both with good armour. but can't see cam penetrating dunk armour, while dunk I suspect could crack cam shells. dunk had skull mechanics that has been reported to show an ability to open and close moth in 50 to 60 milliseconds, and produce a bite force of 6000N. common prey for dunk was thought to be other 'fish', arthropods and ammonites. cam seems to have little to protect it.
only possible advantage for cam would be if it had venom like modern octopi, or was quick and agile like modern squid. but it's shell suggests it was more a slow ambush predator. dunk on the other hand was a powerful swimmer
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dinopithecus vs hyaenodon:
sizes favours hyaenodon (10ft long in H.gigas compared to 5ft tall for dino). if dino was similar to modern baboons it would have had long teeth and an dangerous bite. But hyae would also have had a good bite. suspect that dino would have been more agile. being able to clib trees would also favour dino, as it could then leap down onto hyae to fight and bite at the head and neck. one-on-one, face-to-face i'd favour hyae. in a wooded area, advantage swings closer to dino. dino if like modern baboons probably would have liked in troops, so a group attack would help it win this battle.
evidence has shown successful hyae kills on other carnivores (A dinictis skull has bitemarks on it matching hyae's dentition. but at the same time, dinictis was smaller than what a dino would have been.
guess you might be able to equate this fight to baboon vs leopard, or baboon vs hyena.
would say hyae will win, but dino would hold it's own for a fair bit of the battle.
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H. Gigas was 1000 pounds in weight and thus would rip the baboon apart easily. We went with the smaller hyaenodon horridus from the United States to be more fair.
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tarbosaurus vs saurophaganax:
can be equatable to allosaurus vs tyrannosaurus (many think tarbosaurus belonged in tyrannosaurus genera, and saurophaganax in the allosaurus genera)
size: tab at 10 to 12m, saur at 10 to 13m
weight: tab at 4 to 5 tons, sar at 3. so far no definitive advantage.
tryrannosaur was more robust though. saru more graceful.
looking at jaws, sar was an indiscriminate killer. narrow skull and lack/limited binocular vision. suggests that like other allosaurs it hunted giant prey where it just had to bite at a wall of flesh before it. the teeth were blade-like and would have left long slashing wounds that hemorrhaged. perfect sauropod killer
tab had binocular vision, and was a pinpoint killer. hunted 'smaller prey' (Hadrosaurs and ceratopsians that, while just as big, were below eye level due to being quadrupeds). it would target specific body parts (Spines, limbs) to cripple prey accurately. teeth shows tyrannosaur styling and were made to puncture flesh and possibly bone (but not to the extent of tyrannosaurus). bite power favours tyrannosaur. it could crush saur's bones (legs, arms, back) with a bite. saur could not. but saur could leave long ragged flesh wounds that would bleed. both would be hardy fighters. loss of limb or broke bone won't disadvantage winner in long run (Some tryannosaur skeletons show loss of tails, legs almost snapped in half, and other devastating wounds that were survived for a long life)
would favour tab in the battle due to binocular vision and ability to strike at critical zones. ignore the short arms. evolution eliminated them because tyrannosaurs had no use for them. all their firepower was in a large robust heavy head full of muscle and bone crunching teeth. saur, while a vicious killer, was not as specialized ('long arms' and lack of binocular vision) and too generic for this battle. ironically, tab would have been too small for saur to tackle with success since it seems to be a giant-game hunter. saur was however a perfect size for a tab to hunt and kill (being in same size range as the hadrosaurs it ate)
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This verdict pretty much clinched it for all three of us during tonight's episode.Β
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saurosuchus vs megalania:
same size at 7m long. sauro seems more powerfully built with robust neck vertebra and overall body plan. dorsal osteoderms would also help provide a small amount of protection for sauro. both have jaws as weapons, but mega also has venom, tail and claws. mega was as fast as modern freshwater crocs which can run in burst of 6 - 7 mph. sauro though with it's erect posture, i suspect could run faster and for longer.
assuming it can avoid being torn open by mega's claws, i would favour the sauro to win. to me it seems 'better built' to withstand the rigors of this battle.
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bear vs mega:
notes for the other mega battle are valid (venom, claws, teeth, tail as weapons. ability to hunt larger prey. etc). bear is smaller, but just as heavy and powerful. bear had claws and devastating swipe and powerful jaws/bite.
bear was though to be a stamina runner (I guess like wild dogs and hyena today). and it it thought to have been able to steal kills from smilodons and dire wolves, as well as being omnivorous. Modern bears can be fast, so I suspect the short faced bear was just as quick (30mph?), but studies suggest it wasn't agile (Straight line speed, but no turning ability).
close fight. mega with early advantage, but bear to steal the win due to greater reach with it's arms. I suspect the bear would be able to out-wrestle the mega, but not without taking damage.
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We honestly had a debate on this matchup on the show tonight. My arguments convinced Dakota to go from his initial verdict picking the lizard winning to a close tie, and Scott favored the lizard. I was the only one that picked the bear to win. The bear would only need one good swipe to the lizard's head to kill it depending on size parity. A truly big Megalania at around 4,400 pounds would be too much for even the biggest Arctodus, but at average weights I favor the bear.Β
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I agree, a large mega would overpower the bear, but if equal weights, the bear has longer reach and a devestating swipe from the paw could crush a mega's head
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Plus being a bear it has a very tough hide with dense layers of muscle and fat to provide durability and resilience. Ask anyone who hunts bears today what it takes to drop them, usually high-caliber bullets that can discharge a high amount of kinetic energy on impact. The one weakness the bear has it it's legs being so gracile which inhibits flexibility and agility to an extent in comparison to the more robust limbs found in brown bears and other living bear species.Β
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again, true. the fat and muscle layers would provive protection for vital parts.
and yeah. the short face bear was long legged, and probably a fast runner, but in straight lines only. no maneuverability or agility when compared to modern bears
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Well-said. Scott wanted another fight with Andrewsarchus, and I picked another bear species to challenge Andrewsarchus, Arctotherium angustidens.Β
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hmm, that could be interesting
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Got the time to do the art for Saurosuchus vs Megalania for next week's fight?
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maybe. I might be able to do something this weekend.
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There's been some slight schedule changes that Dakota posted on both here and on Facebook.Β
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andrewsuchus vs megalania:
hard fight to pick. since onlt the skull of andrewsuchus is know, we can't compare sizes, though most reconstructions i've seen put it at about 5 to 7m long. equal to mega. andrewsuchus had a powerful bite, but mega had venom (based on modern monitor lizards which it's a part of). Both would be fast. jaws aside, andrewsuchus probably had no other weapons. But mega had teeth, venom, claws and tail to take down prey. I think mega would have preyed on giant roos and diprotodonts like modern komodos hunt buffalo. andrewsuchus is currently thought to be more a scavenger that used it's size to take over kills, as well as eating plants, etc (An omnivore). I's favour the mega. it has more going for it in terms of offensive power. plus should the andrew win, any biting wounds caused by the mega will fester through the venom, leaving the andrew extremely vulnerable, if not dead.
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The bear stood a better chance given that it had more weapons. Β I agree with your consensus on this one.
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it would be interesting to revisit one day should more andresuchus remains be found
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