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lohl2k3 In reply to godhatesphysics [2006-09-30 10:50:40 +0000 UTC]

if there is no boy around he pretty much has to hang on to his leica

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lohl2k3 In reply to dersunde [2006-09-30 10:52:54 +0000 UTC]

yeah we (sev,bern,me) are using a different carrier for now. i think its just cleaner... sometimes it doesnt need the "dirty" framing even if our minds/souls are the dirtiest in all of eurasia

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dersunde In reply to lohl2k3 [2006-10-02 03:40:01 +0000 UTC]

ok, enjoy.

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kinderschokolade In reply to natashalyonne [2006-09-24 03:22:30 +0000 UTC]

ich hab ihn nicht vergessen

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dersunde In reply to claytes [2006-09-25 02:33:13 +0000 UTC]

i'm simply amazed you'd find that a fault in the photo. shocked, really. i mean, you'd have them up and relocate to take the shot or bring in some diffusers and reflecters, perhaps some fill flash? those wet spots left by feet are such an annoyance too. surprised you didn't mention...

do you have any understanding to the essence of a spontaneous photo which captures a real moment? would you look at that scene and say to yourself 'oh i'm not gonna take it. look at that terrible block on his head.'

considering your latest drama once your 'scrap' was removed, i'd figure you of all people should understand these sentiments. the removal which i disagree with, of course, is just an extreme scenario of the same type of opinion you're demonstrating in your comment. that you would consider this photo to be good, but only if that goofy highlight was not present (if only their faces were in the shot). it's not 'good enough' because it was an authentic moment, genuine.. real, just the same as your photo was. only difference being that the person browsing your shot had the admin button handy and maybe had a bad day because they didn't get enough +faves and devwatches.

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Gonzale In reply to dersunde [2006-09-25 13:19:27 +0000 UTC]

hey what's wrong with you here

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dersunde In reply to Gonzale [2006-09-25 18:38:01 +0000 UTC]

obviously something severe. i guess i'm a retard.

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Gonzale In reply to dersunde [2006-09-26 10:15:41 +0000 UTC]

nah nah.

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dersunde In reply to Gonzale [2006-09-26 21:00:04 +0000 UTC]

well then, you feel somethings wrong with me. let's discuss it.

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Gonzale In reply to dersunde [2006-09-26 22:24:36 +0000 UTC]

it's just that you got totally upset by what claytes said when i didn't really see what was wrong with it.

but i do'nt really think of you as a retarded person. more like the opposite.

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dersunde In reply to Gonzale [2006-09-26 22:31:35 +0000 UTC]

well i wrote several paragraphs in replies to describe my feelings. if you disagree then will you say why or just tell me i'm wrong? seriously, i feel confused that i'm seemingly the only one with this belief so i'm looking for any sort of exchange to help me understand.

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Gonzale In reply to dersunde [2006-09-27 11:17:26 +0000 UTC]

it's not that i disagreed with you, it's just that it looked like an overreaction and that you were apparently caring a lot about this argument that wasn't really important.
the guy agrees with you that the moment is nice.

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dersunde In reply to Gonzale [2006-10-03 07:22:17 +0000 UTC]

i do care a lot, because it is important to me. my argument was never that the moment was nice. read what i said again. or don't, because it's not important.

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claytes In reply to dersunde [2006-09-25 03:43:54 +0000 UTC]

uhhh.. no i think the highlight is distracting. i'm not sure where the justification for attacking me is coming from as my comment here was nothing at all like the situation with my scrapped deviation.

i didnt mention anything about the shot not being a nice, natural moment. it is. that doesnt mean the highlight is not a distraction to me. it is. what if the shot was overexposed by 4 stops? would it still be a good photo because the moment is so damn natural? no.

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dersunde In reply to claytes [2006-09-25 18:28:06 +0000 UTC]

well, yes. i believe you when you say that you find it distracting. i would never imagine to tell you what you think or feel.

if you don't understand how those two situations are similar, i could try to describe again but i will probably fail. hypothetical situation: let's say somebody believes that since the photo has a distracting element, it doesn't belong as a deviation. because, to that particular viewer, the flaw makes this particular work not worth the disctinction of the photographers pride. thus it should go to scraps. we're ignoring the fact that it shoudn't be the viewers choice anyway, at this point.

this is similar to what happened to your shot. somebody came along and decided that... well this photo has a quality that they didn't like. you didn't get the faces in the frame, and it looks like it was almost taken by mistake. to that person, it's flawed, regardless of whether or not their opinion is valid. this time, that person had the power to delete the thing instead of just leaving a comment to say they didn't like something about it.

what if he didnt take the shot next time?

you said that there was something you didn't like about the shot and that, otherwise, it would be good. which, yes, implies that you feel the photo fell short of actually being good. if you disagree with that, then i think you need to reconsider your use of language.

again, i did not try to tell you that you did not find the highlight distracting, i don't understand why you repeat yourself here. did linus do everything he could to make this shot the best that it coud be? exposure - check. composition, check. subject, check. timing, check. i guess my point here is that if he overexposed the shot 4 stops it would be his fault. the highlight is not his fault and thus i think that critique is insulting since he could not possibly avoid it and still make this photo. i'm willing to bet that he saw that highlight before he shared it with us and decided that, despite it being there, the photo was still worth sharing because he is proud of making the it. with this in consideration, and with his level of skill, i not only think it's completely unnecessary to inform him of the flaw, but insulting.

i guess i just have a different way of approaching personal photography when people choose to share it. respect is always a high concern. of course, i'm not suggesting that you can't say these things. indeed your right to free speech permits it. i only offer an alternative thought process.

i am sorry to attack, i was perhaps a bit more aggressive than i had to be to explain my opinion. it's just that i see a comment like this often and each little one contributes to my discontent.

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claytes In reply to dersunde [2006-09-25 21:16:37 +0000 UTC]

well you are simply misunderstanding me. i never once said i didnt like the shot!! it has an ELEMENT in it which i find distracting but OTHERWISE is a good photo. that doesn't mean "if it wasnt for that damn annoying highlight you would have a good photo here".. it means, "wow, this is a good photo but i sure wish it didnt have the annoying highlight because it would be even better if it didnt!"

and it is in no way the same as my situation (yes, even ignoring the fact that i am not a mod). there are many photos i dislike and many GOOD photos with elements that i dislike, but that in no way means i thought the shot should be a scrap or out of the gallery.

as for your comment about linus doing everythingn right, yes i agree, he did. this does not mean it is automatically a masterpiece. this is like kids these days getting trophies for finishing in last place. yeah he did everything right but fuck, sometimes there are other elements to life that just dont work out. you learn and move on.

i'd love to hear from linus if he thinks i am insulting his photo-taking abilities. it's obvious that you feel i am but what does he think?

you said : "i'm willing to bet that he saw that highlight before he shared it with us and decided that, despite it being there, the photo was still worth sharing because he is proud of making the it. with this in consideration, and with his level of skill, i not only think it's completely unnecessary to inform him of the flaw, but insulting." okay i will agree here. i also think that if he is insulted by my comment that he needs to start putting his time into things other than caring what some guy on dA said about his photo. it was not meant as an insult.

sorry for such a lenghty reponse. didn't want to but it happened. i think we just approach things differently and i highly doubt either of us mean bad from what we are saying. let's move on. the end. we both win and we both lose.

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