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Plans within plans. And there are apparently many new machines on Ix too.Related content
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Poor Shaddam. Ruler of the Known Universe, yet still a pawn.
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He's playing a few games of his own, though..
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Didn't turn out so well for House Corinno or the Corps of Sardaukar though.
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And I've watched the movie.
Looks like a disformed baby, of Space.
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I read the first four Dune books back in the day, until I just got worn out with them. Nothing in them indicated the Steersmen were not human, and yet this is how they were portrayed in the film, which I like otherwise.
Very nice work on your part, though!
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There are no aliens in the Dune books, apart from the animals on Arrakis. So the navigators are mutated humans, that apparently get weirder the greater powers they get.Β Actually, the Carlo Rambaldi puppet creation for Lynch's Dune is pretty darn close to how the navigators are described in "Dune Messiah":Β Β "..an elongated figure, vaguely humanoid with finned feet and hugely fanned membranous hands β a fish in a strange sea." The "sea" being the tank of spice gas they're gliding around in.Β Apart from the hands and feet, I think Lynch and Rambaldi got it just right.
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The Spice must flow...into my Pumpkin flavored Coffee!
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Just don't let it flow too much (unless you want to turn into a space-time bending worm thingie).
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David Lynch's Dune is really an underrated classic. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Sci-Fi was wrong calling it just "melodrama"
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I think it has so many merits! It's criminally dismissed and overlooked. It deserves to be more that "just" a cult classic.
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Β Science Fiction - always MUCH weirder than you think!Β
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Sorry, trying to comment on the mobile app and failing.
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Β Have no fear - we understand that technology is always useful, but not always in the mood to be helpful.Β
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I should really read this one some day.Β Maybe after Discworld or the complete works of HP Lovecraft.
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That's right, the environment tank the size of a delivery truck was never here.Β Β Watched part of the Lynch version last night, before falling asleep during one of the quiet parts. (It had been a long day...) The Stage III Navigator was a really cool effect, and the late great Jose Ferrer sold it right back as a ruler given a "bargain" he definitely couldn't refuse. Lynch's movie did depart from the textΒ at several points, but it was a serious attempt, so I appreciated it a lot. The cast was really into it, and they were directed well by Lynch.Β
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Most importantly, Frank Herbert himself didn't seem to mind. And he apparently loved the third stage navigator Carlo Rambaldi built for the movie.
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I have a "making of" book for the movie, of a sort that used to be published before all of that sort of data went straight to the Internet, and movie productions were submitted to more micromanagement than LBJ's handling of the Vietnam conflict. Frank Herbert was on call as a consultant and he gave a passing grade to everything that was shown him. I guess some writers are pretty easy-going, no? 
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I should really get that book! I've been reading about it for ages.Β
I think Herbert got along really well with Lynch, and vice versa. Lynch hadn't read any of the Dune books when he agreed to take on this project, and so he had a fresh perspective, and I'm assuming, a rather crass one, since he had to distill such a huge volume into a movie of commercial length. I think Herbert found that refreshing. When you've read the other Dune books, Herbert takes both characters, settings and technology in increasingly weird directions, so he was certainly not adverse to changing things around.
And the sandworms.. Well, seeing them rise up through the sand is both majestic and slightly amusing
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I like Lynch's Dune. I don't love it (the syphilitic baron needs to be burned with fire), but I do enjoy it for its atmosphere & aesthetic.
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It's actually one of my favorite movies. I can detach it from the books, and as such Lynch "Dune" is quite the achievement. So much memorable stuff in it.
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That Navigator belongs in a classic Doctor Who series featuring Tom Baker, and I definitely mean that as a complement.Β Β
{{ Doctor... }} The Navigator drones.Β Β
"Oh, hello!" the Doctor replies. "How's the water?"Β Β
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It's a very organic creation -uncomfortably organic, one could say
"It's not water, time traveller; it's spice!"
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It kind of is my favorite too. It's very ominous, and sets up a bunch of mysteries.
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And it illustrates brilliantly that the Guild is the real power in this empire!
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Ultimately, it is -except for those who would control the flow of the spice. In the first book, and the movie, it turns out to be the Fremen. By the second book, however, their just uprising has turned into a bloody jihad sweeping the galaxy, and Maud'Dib is simply a religious figurehead in the midst of chaos. Then the old villains and plotters move in again, and all those plans within plans start anew.Β Β
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I saw this way before I read the book
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I did read the book first, and was quite surprised at some of the changes made in the movie. I got mostly hung up on tiny details, like that the Caladans don't use swords or rapiers when they train in the movie. BUT I love the movie and its version of the book's universe.
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For this was my first time hearing of Dune, my father who is a fan of the book told me what it was base on before I saw it. Not knowing anything of the movie I found it funny, to me it was nothing more than a B-movie in space about a drug war. I have sense read the book and like it far more than the movie.
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The book Dune, and the books that follow, paint such an incredible picture of both places and people, no movie or TV series could match that. But I still enjoy the movie. It's certainly not for all tastes, but those who love the Lynch movie REALLY love it.
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Personally after reading the book, I don't think the move is the best way to learn of it
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No, if possible one should start with the book. There are some really good audiobooks out there, for example.
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I Love Lynch's version of Dune. I love the gloomy atmosphere. And the scene of the navigator's visit is one of my favorite. I also like the navigator's assistants and the mic he uses to translate.Β
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I love Lynch's Dune too, and the film has a great beginning, setting up the intrigue and a lot of mysteries.
I love that the navigator guild has chosen very macho voices for their translator devices
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IMO they should have made Jodorosky's Dune...
Would have been a ridiculously long movie, ruined the studio, different from the book.
And been legendary, epic, people would still have "Dune" parties of watching the film for days (the time needed to complete it) dressed in costumes, Live action roleplay - Essentially Rocky Horror Picture Show but for Scifi.
I love the 80s adaptation.Β Technically the sci-fi network's one was closer to the book, but dry/hollow - captured the story, not the spirit.Β Just one man's opinion.
Love this image.Β This vision of the Navigator is perfect, though again different from the book - see Barlowe's guide - but captures the feel of such a vision - humans wildly mutated from millenia of exposure to spice, living in space and warping space/time with their minds...
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Jodorowsky's Dune is so different from the novel that it's almost a different story. But apparently Frank Herbert didn't mind it, just like he didn't mind the Lynch version of his book. As you can see I'm a fan of the Lynch movie, and I actually prefer it to the dispassionate mini series.
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I'm amazed by Jodorowsky's works.Β When the Dune project fizzled he went on to do the "Incal" series with Moebius and other works his whole working life - overall a much better world building operation.Β His version wouldΒ have been better but in a flattering way.
Glad that Herbert didn't mind.Β
Most of the time its a nightmare for an author to have his book turned into a movie.Β Problem is there's a scriptwriter and a director and various "Investor Representatives" and they cut things and make all sorts of changes.Β Sometimes the Author freaks out, disavows the movie, spends decades suing the studio...Β Gean Aul, Peter S. Beagle for example...
Rarely an author lives with it.Β The best, IMO is John Norman who wrote the infamous "Gor" series.Β They got turned into 2 movies that loosely went over the first two or three books.Β Loosely is a kind term.Β Well, to make it 100% would have taken a "Ten Commandments" budget at the time and likely got the film banned or rather removed from theaters after militant feminists came in with bomb vests like the modern stereotype of Islamic fundamentalists....Β John Norman was smart and - from an interview - pointed out that the sad irony was that even a "B" movie got watched many times more than the best novel got read.Β He just turned off the serious part of his brain and let the royalty checks come in.Β They still do, even after all this time. And it helped him (also not quitting his day job) the long period while he was blacklisted in the literary world for not turning Gor 180 degrees until the internet enabled distribution outside the normal fixed markets and direct to tablet/computer sales.
Myself I'm more mature than about a decade ago, but still I'm not sure about my stories being turned into a movie...
Imagines myself jumping on the director "NOOOOO!Β The Vengeance Squad does not SCARE the rich pig into stopping his exporting...Β They do not make him feel guilty the workers he's left in the dust.Β They come in with Pliers and Blowtorches and RIP the SKIN off his family first, then start on him...."Β Β Director - "Hey - maaannnn - one of the groups financing this, the head of it resembles the victim, excuse me villain - he said on the phone this morning he was tricked into incitement for his own murder...c'mon, peace and love, okay?"
So, too bad.Β Really, they are going to "Re-Make" Dune again, but bet it'll find a way to be LESS than both the Lynch and SciFi version - just a cash grab with the name Dune plastered on and better CG effects...
It'd be cool to have seen H.R. Giger as the depraved Mentat, Dali as the Space Emperor, etc. even if again hyper long movie, SandWorms were big burlap tubes they were trying to keep from blowing away, etc.
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It seems Herbert liked the third stage navigator in Dune's opening so much he incorporated features from it in his later descriptions of the creatures. And it also seems he didn't mind the weirding module concept. He apparently got along very well with Lynch and understood the tribulations of translating this very complex book to another art form.Β
While not exactly appreciating the GOR books for their gender politics, they're also very compact action and adventure yarns, with spectacular fantasy creatures. The two GOR movies Cannon made were jokes, really.Β
My problem with adapting Dune again is that other shows and movies successfully picking themes from the books are now in the public consciousness -I'm especially pointing my finger at Game of Thrones, with its warring houses, and intrigues. I'm afraid that people will just say that the new Dune is that show in scifi land.
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I hate Jorodowsky for many reasons (don't ask me why)
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That's okay coz I LOVE him.
Well, Platonically, but if I was into "Legitimate Alternative DEATHstyles" well I'd be hot for him.
Got like almost everything he's made - save "Holy Mountain" and a couple books.
But bought "Take my money NOW" the re-published hardcover Incal series, one of the first movies I bought permanent on GooglePlay (right after Governator 82 Conan) was the movie about that almost but never made movie...
Can't get enough of his Dune inspired universe, now drooling over the next installment of the Metabarons thing that'll wrap it up.
So, if you don't like him, even BETTER.
Coz great writers have to have some sort of deviancy, some kind of flaw - part of the inner pain that makes them an epic person.
Like HPL they took down the World Fantasy Award for HPL being a bit racist - but he just made some racist poems/used stereotypes in an age that dripped racism.Β L.Frank Baum (Wizard of Oz) published/edited a popular frontier newspaper where he called for like 20 years for a "Final Solution" to the Native Americans...Β And people celebrating the WFA being taken down over HPL's racist poems would throw battery acid in each other's faces to try to win a "William S. Burroughs" award...Β Uh, anyone look into what he did in Tangiers hiding out after accidentally shooting his wife besides writing "Naked Lunch"?
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Jorodovsky raped a girl during the shooting of 'el topo' and then he made fun of it. I don't think that is right, no matter who you are. HPL was a racist, but he never raped anybody.
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Thanks for informing me.
I'll have to pick up El Topo also - I'd have dodged it otherwise since I'm not into westerns.
Hmm - have to put him next to Polanski then.Β Kid of Jewish immigrants.Β Brilliant filmmaker.Β Rape issues.
Cool thing - that film "Pirates" Polanski did?Β He "Casting Couch'd" the teeny girl playing the Governor's daughter on that luxurious bed.Β Legal age 14 in Paris at the time.
Now, in RL I'd never hit or rape a woman.Β And I get "You're Nice" way to often to women I'd tried to become intimate with, later seeing they are attached to dumb thugs that DO beat them up...
Oh, and before you go all SJW on me - note that in each case the women consented.
It's right on the Wikipedia page - really sick but yes she consented to be raped - got to clobber him ahead of time to excite him...
And the Polanski girls - the Pirate movie one was legal age and she consented to start her career...Β The second one was already quite sexually active - 'statutory' issues aside - different times and technicality of the law aside it was an overzealous prosecutor hoping to make a name for himself - even his 'victim' said she wanted the charges dropped, even today.
For the record the Wikipedia account did make me wince.Β Reminded me of two women I nearly got involved romantically and sexually.Β One was a Hispanic woman who wanted me to slap her a bit.Β Another a freaky woman who wanted me to CUT her a bit and had a few scars already...Β I wasn't able to do either - talk about an 'impotence' issue that was unexpected - and well you know what hath no fury...Β Another lady loudly shouted me down when I asked her out - then I saw her two years later - much uglier from frequent beatings, holding the groceries and driving the car for some gargoyle of a man who I could tell if he'd ever worked a day in his life it was prison release/parole related.Β Finally I've known two women who hinted I should kill my MOTHER to get inheritance faster, then colded away from me when I was rightly repulsed...
I haven't let this turn me off women and I've known some very nice ones also.Β Just sick of modern - it's not even feminism but some mutant spawn of it - getting women to slap me in the face when I open the door for them, even if it's pure politeness like I've been raised with, not any attempt to get into their pants.
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The raping and the killing of a ton of bunnies for El Topo makes Jodorowski a lunatic in my mind, but he's a great and very productive storyteller.
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