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Description The time was now. Pandora lay sleeping before him like an enormous housecat, looking deceptively harmless. Without giving himself time to consider any second thoughts, Moondancer struck. He brought down his arms violently, sinking his enchanted spear deep into her ribcage. Pandora woke immediately, and screamed-but Moondancer closed his ears to it. She deserved no pity. He forced the spear in deeper and twisted it-and Pandora writhed in agony, like a great serpent in its death throes-

"Aiiieee!!-Ahh. Oh. Ow. Oh, that hurts. Owie. Oh, you're killing me." Pandora stopped screaming abruptly and spoke, calm and completely deadpan, and Moondancer felt his heart gripped in ice. She cackled wildly, the sound ringing in his ears, and he knew at once that he'd failed. Again.

"This is the best you've got? Seriously?" Pandora's eyes twinkled with mirth, despite the spearhead buried just shy of piercing her lung. "A sharp stick? Oh, how the mighty have fallen, Moondancer."

She gripped his spear in her paw, and sent a surge of magical electricity through it, such that he was blasted away from the force of impact, and landed in a crumpled heap. She advanced on him, unhurried, like a lion stalking a mouse. He watched, horrified, as the wound he'd inflicted on her closed itself up.

"But that should have-t-that spearhead was coated with Midnight's strongest poison-!"

"It's pretty rude to burst into someone's lair uninvited, you know." She interrupted, smiling. "Especially since I wasn't even doing anything. My plans for today involved napping and treating myself to a nice lava bath. But here comes Moony Moony Moondancer playing hero again, stabbing his dear ol' friend Panny in her sleep."

"We're not friends." Moondancer growled, struggling to his hooves. "We h-haven't...been friends since you...since you killed your own father-"


"Oh, was that where I crossed the line?" Pan yawned, stretching casually. "Melodramatic as always, dearie. I didn't kill Daddy, I absorbed him. Although if you want to get technical, I do suppose the process of that did kill him-"

"How could you? How c-could you bring yourself to murder-"

"Tish tosh." Pan waved her paw, dismissive. "He had power, I wanted it. It's not like he was using it for anything-doddering old fool had given up beautiful, beautiful chaos, and for what? To kowtow to you little pony simpletons?" She scoffed, before pausing in thought. "....I didn't expect my plan to kill him, though."

"Monster." Moondancer coughed, and felt blood wet his lips. Pandora's blast had done more damage than he thought. "Monster."

"This again? Urgh." Pandora rolled her eyes and huffed, like she used to, when they were still friends, and the world made sense. "Always with this lecturing, Moony-'Oh boohoo, you're a monster, oh waah, Panny, you're hurting ponies, you're not this evil, please stop this, blah, blah, blah." Her eyes turned cold. "You're boring me, Moondancer. And you know what happens when I get bored."

Moondancer did know. He'd seen the horrors for himself. He scowled up at her, searching for strength. "You can do whatever you want to me, witch. You can't stop justice, nor the inevitable return to harmony. In the end, the princesses will prevail-"

"The princesses have been absolutely useless since they transferred their magic to Princess Twilight. What a brilliant plan that was." Pan scoffed, rolling her eyes. "We all know the heat death of the universe will come before Mommy Dearest will manage to kill me. Her attempts are getting laughable. Mom tries her darndest, but when the time comes for that last blow-" Pandora threw her paw up to her forehead and gave a sad, doe-eyed expression, lip quivering. "Please don't do it, Mom. I'll be good again, I promise. I'm still your little girl-I'm still Panny-I'll be good again, I love you, Mommy-" She burst suddenly into wild, joyous cackles. "That's all I have to do! And that killing blow never comes! She can't! I killed her husband, I turned Equestria inside out, I forced her friends and family into hiding-but Mommy can't do it, because she still sees me as some dumb little baby cubbie that needs to be protected." Pan laughed fondly. "It's sad, really."

"She loved you." Moondancer felt his eyes prick, and hated his weakness. Hated that after all this time, he still cared. Numbly, he let the tears fall. "...We all did."

Pandora paused, and for a moment seemed bothered by something-but then shook her head, smiling wide. "Aww, how sweet. I love you too, Moony. Out of all the ponies in the world, you're my absolute favorite yarnball to bat around." She seized him suddenly with magical telekinesis, levitating him high up into the air-before dropping him. He hit the ground with a dull thud, and she laughed at his pained groan. "I'll never get tired of it."

Moondancer didn't answer, because something in his chest had broken, and breathing was beginning to hurt. At his silence, Pandora glanced at him with poorly masked concern. She leaned down and cupped his face, stoking tenderly at his cheek.

"Aw, poor baby, think you might have a pierced lung there. Did Panny play with you too rough? Come here sweetie, I'll heal you up good as new, and then we can play some more-"

Moondancer gasped for breath. "....C-Cupcake." He managed to wheeze. "Cupcake...."

Pandora froze. Her expression became guarded, and she lifted her chin. "What about her?"

"This isn't...w-what she'd have wanted..."

"Oh, I'm sure it isn't." Pandora glared. "But she can't exactly speak up now, can she? She's out there rotting in her grave, and it's all-you-ponies' fault-" Pan's eyes began to glow, and the area around them began to charge with a malevolent energy, like air before a lighting strike. "She was the only one who ever loved me for me-my only true friend-but you ponies couldn't even let me have that, could you? You were all so scared of me, and what a child of chaos might do-you were all so afraid that somehow, someday, I'd turn into a monster. As though it was my destiny." Pan bit her lip, now struggling with tears.

"The ponies came for me. At night, when we weren't expecting it, they came, and...and my...my Cupcake s-stood in the way."

Pandora tried to discretely wipe at her face, but Moondancer caught the act. She continued on, speaking more to herself than to him.

"She was so brave...always so brave...." She whispered, wringing her paws...before her expression switched to wrath, and she snarled.
 
"You wretched little beasts took her from me." Pandora seized Moondancer in her magic again, this time lifting him up to her face. "Murderers, all of you! Filthy, rotten little cowards! Do you know what it was like to watch my best friend-the pony I loved-bleed out in my arms?! My empathy evaporated on the spot." Flames erupted from the corners of Pandora's mouth, plumes of fire snaking between her bared teeth, like a risen dragon. Moondancer struggled feebly in her hold, fearing the fire, but she took her paw and gripped him tight around the throat.

"...You miserable little equines killed the one thing I cared about the most." Pandora's voice went low, quiet. Dangerous. "So now I'll destroy the things you ponies care about most. Your lives. Your loved ones. Your sanity. All of you-every rotten one of you-has something that can be taken away. And I will not rest until I've snatched it away from every single pony-until all of ponykind has paid for its great evil. I won't stop until Equestria rests in flames, and every one of your filthy, broken bodies lies burning in the wreckage." She leaned close, and Moondancer looked into eyes that blazed hot with hate-eyes that held no trace of the friend he'd once known.

The moment broke, and she dropped him, turning away. She spoke one last time, voice cold.


"Tell Mom to put that in a letter to Celestia."



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sloppy doodle is sloppy

so i mentioned over on my tumblr that my very first idea for Pandora was that she was supposed to grow up and become evil. Not harmless evil either-like, treating ponies as toys, actual threat to the world and reality as we know it-evil. That's why I named her Pandora-like the mythical character, she was supposed to unleash terrible things onto the world, and pretty much become the avatar of destruction, as Discord is the avatar of chaos. Anyway, I thought it'd be interesting to explore the idea in an alternate universe, and I thought it'd be cool to have Moondancer, of all ponies, be the hero, out to stop her. He's pretty determined, but evil!Pan is strong as shit, soooo his efforts aren't exactly going super well

Pandora isn't quite herself these days. When Cupcake was killed, Pan felt a piece of herself die, and she's been steadily going mad ever since. Her condition wasn't helped by absorbing (inadvertently killing) her father Discord, and having that great flood of chaos magic washing through her, twisting her mind....



this isn't canon btw, just an alt universe storyline (i call it the reverse AU)
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androspinxlrk [2016-12-16 23:52:39 +0000 UTC]

omi gosh this is awesome (and sad ;- please tell me you are going to show us one of these about panny killing discord, yes?

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MechanicOverlord [2016-12-16 23:40:37 +0000 UTC]

So... they killed the one she loves because they thought she was going to turn into a monster, and her first instict was to prove them right?

 Alright then, I'm calling this one the Idiotverse AU

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Reifgrimm In reply to MechanicOverlord [2017-01-19 10:52:58 +0000 UTC]

Actually... I'm not sure I buy what Pandora's saying here.

Thing is, this is all very self-serving. What if she was evil enough to have the ponies come for her in the first place? Apparently, her loved ones had been trying to reason with her for a long time now. Plus, Discord was more accepted than her, which implies the problem was more her attitude than the ponies' supposed close-mindedness.

So yeah, I think Pandora uses Cupcake's death as an excuse because she was rotten for a good long while. I don't feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for all her victims; her, not so much.

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BenevolentBovine In reply to MechanicOverlord [2016-12-22 15:17:34 +0000 UTC]

Well if your whole life people treated you a certain way, eventually you're going to turn into that. Especially an immortal creature like Pandora. From her birth the ponies didn't believe in Pandora, they only believed she'd become a monster. As the saying goes, "We become what we behold."
It really isn't Pandora's fault she became so twisted and evil.
Though that doesn't excuse her actions at this point obviously

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AlphamonOuryuuken In reply to MechanicOverlord [2016-12-17 02:33:47 +0000 UTC]

Yes because watching someone you love DIE right wouldn't send ANYONE over the edge, especially someone who can change reality with LITERALLY a snap of a finger!

Seriously, what drug do you have to be on to try and kill someone who's half-draconiqus and half-ALICORN?!

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InTheNextGentury In reply to MechanicOverlord [2016-12-17 00:29:47 +0000 UTC]

Now that I think about it..... that does sound pretty stupid. Thanks for pointing that out XD!

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LunaLavender1023 In reply to InTheNextGentury [2016-12-17 02:35:52 +0000 UTC]

More like she grew more and more insane each day, very, very mad at Cupcakes murderers until one day she snapped and absorbed Discord and the chaos magic twisted her mind further. If they wanted her to be a monster, then so be it. She'd be one. A Heartless, ruthless *Monster*. Her decline into insanity and sociopathy was probably gradual until she absorbed discord. The chaos magic probably did not help her already crazy state of mind.

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InTheNextGentury In reply to LunaLavender1023 [2016-12-17 02:44:36 +0000 UTC]

Oooooh, OK that makes a little more sense. But now I don't know which side to be on XD. Also, sorry if your mad in any way.

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MechanicOverlord In reply to InTheNextGentury [2016-12-24 07:31:01 +0000 UTC]

First off: thank you, ITNC; you are the first one that responded kindly.

Secondly: I meant that the garden-variety Ponyvillians were imbeciles to kill Cupcake.

 When you live surrounded by monsters, next to a forest filled with especially bad monsters, and a third of the population can blow up your head with their minds, you should learn to appreciate the Eldritch Abominations that are happy with playing pranks and acting like saturday-morning cartoon villains.

 When you sneak into the house of the fucking reality warper, kill the only one that kept her (mostly) moral, and then try to kill the fucking goddess that can LITERALLY WARP REALITY (I can't get over how they ignored that), it doesn't show a lot of thinking behind their actions. Or any thinking. At all.

 And yes, Pandora was heavily traumatized by her Morality Chain's death. Trust me, I'm all about going evil because of others' idiocy. Hell, she could have blown up Ponyville for all I care. She would have been right to do so, actually. They were both poisoning the gene pool and killed an innocent pony whose only sin was loving and mellowing out a draconequus.

 But after raining down the wrath of God on those backwater redneck un-genre savvy morons, she should have gone to a cave or something, thought for five fucking seconds, and said "Hmm, since the only thing I have left of my love is her memories, I should *probably* try to honour it and, I dunno, be good or something."

 Instead, what does she do? "Pff, honouring memories-schonouring schmemories. Imma kill my family."

 Does anyone else see the fault in that train of thought?

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InTheNextGentury In reply to MechanicOverlord [2016-12-27 03:22:22 +0000 UTC]

(OK well before I say anything, I'm sorry for not responding in two whole days. Things got busy for Christmas soooooo...... you know the drill there)

Now first off: No problemo! Everybody should be treated with respect!

Second off: Now I'm not gonna rant or anything but I read everything you just said (surprisingly, cause I don't usually do that) and that is so true. While I don't understand a tiny bit of what your saying (don't worry, it's nothing more than that) I agree on the rest. Why would you kill the only things that loved you (besides from Cupcake)? I see a lot of faults in the caboose, that's for sure.

Sorry if my reply is dumb compared to your godly one. I just came back from a party and wanna sleep alreadyyyyyyyy. Thanks for the watch btw. I'll watch you back because you seem cool and logical. I like ppl like that X3. 

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MechanicOverlord In reply to InTheNextGentury [2016-12-28 07:33:32 +0000 UTC]

Stop, I'll blush.

I appreciate the gesture, and I hope you rest well.

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InTheNextGentury In reply to MechanicOverlord [2016-12-29 00:37:29 +0000 UTC]

Nope.

I did thanks XD.

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MechanicOverlord In reply to InTheNextGentury [2017-01-04 09:36:06 +0000 UTC]

By the way, happy new year.

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KaroK51 [2016-12-16 23:22:32 +0000 UTC]

The darkest thing you created so far, and i think it has so much potential... Of coure i prefer normal, happy world, but this one is also temptating.

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NaviDreams [2016-12-16 23:20:08 +0000 UTC]

This made me cry...it's good though Lop ^^

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Candymlp02 In reply to ??? [2016-12-16 23:06:12 +0000 UTC]

This is so freakin' dark....I LOVE IT!!

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whitebearboy In reply to ??? [2016-12-16 22:56:52 +0000 UTC]

Wow, this is pretty dark for you!

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Neoklaitus [2016-12-16 22:53:49 +0000 UTC]

Does anyone else think in the comic injustice?

no? just me?

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dragonlover278 In reply to ??? [2016-12-16 22:47:58 +0000 UTC]

I like it, Great reason for her to go nuclear on everyone.

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Starbuck-the-Pegasus [2016-12-16 22:46:07 +0000 UTC]

I don't know what's crazier.  The fact that somepony actually set out to KILL Panny, or that they actually killed the cast-iron, bad-flank warrior that is Cupcake! 

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Melani-Nexus [2016-12-16 21:40:22 +0000 UTC]

Wow, this AU looks really amazing; Covered into this despair and darkness... The feelings on this dialogue are so well expressed, and the picture really fits so well! Those glow details are astonishing. Though, one thing eludes me now, how exactly did she "absorved" Discord? Did she tried to snatch his magic away to use it for her revenge and in doing so, didn't knew that it would physhically harm him? I think that probably he tried to stop her and something went very wrong... Poor Panny.    

And a world without Discord and Cupcake?    Go on Pandora, equestria deserves to burn now more than ever.   

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Topaz-Glimmer In reply to ??? [2016-12-16 21:04:37 +0000 UTC]

Huh. A sort of roleswawp-AU of sorts? I always think of those as interesting....

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LezzyBugO3O In reply to ??? [2016-12-16 21:02:12 +0000 UTC]

This is a really cool idea! Not the happiest, but some of your best story-telling comes from the not-so-happy pieces

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TumiaArtStudio [2016-12-16 20:56:21 +0000 UTC]

That's awesome! I like this AU. <3

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StardustAstro [2016-12-16 20:42:04 +0000 UTC]

the story part really is amazing 

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Whitefurwolf In reply to ??? [2016-12-16 20:11:31 +0000 UTC]

Amazing!

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Khasym In reply to ??? [2016-12-16 20:11:12 +0000 UTC]

This...was AWESOME!!! I'm an RPer, and evil is SOOOOOO hard to get right at times. Yeah, you can be the big bad just because you have power. But when there's no reason, there's no truth to it. The best villains, the worst monsters who are actual characters, HAVE that reason. Everything else, is just being a target the good guys get to whack at.

Panny may be chaos incarnate, but she wasn't BORN evil...she was made evil, by the evil others mistook for good. No greater source for a monster, than that of hubris.....

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Corecin [2016-12-16 20:09:00 +0000 UTC]

This brings up a question I've had, did any other major villains attack equestria again? In the normal pandoraverse. 

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gordhanx [2016-12-16 20:05:20 +0000 UTC]

So friggin awesome! The picture is badass and epic, and the dialogue is chilling and scary.

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alexfr36 [2016-12-16 20:04:14 +0000 UTC]

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate... Hate makes people do things really stupid and they give birth to the real evil they wanted to destroy in the first place... It's like trying to disarm a bomb by hitting it with a stick.

Nice story. Sad, but nice.

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QuakingAspens [2016-12-16 19:46:00 +0000 UTC]

This is an amazing AU. I love the idea of an evil Panny. Don't get me wrong, I love our Normal-verse Pan, but this idea is very intriguing 

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Metallic-Scratch [2016-12-16 19:29:02 +0000 UTC]

I was all like no! ;_; my baby-children! 

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VirgoRoseMaiden [2016-12-16 19:17:38 +0000 UTC]

dang good thing this aint canon because Cupcake is waaaaay to awesome to die..... though I wonder if Midnight Abyss would be able to bring back Cupcake as a Zombie somehow lol

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GypsyCharm In reply to VirgoRoseMaiden [2016-12-16 23:47:27 +0000 UTC]

I would read the SHIT outta that! Can you imagine that badass A-team; Super-strong zombie - warrior Cupcake, Master witch and potion-brewer Midnight Abyss, and Wizard warrior Moondancer!
*runs to grab tablet* Must! Draw! EPICNESS!!

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VirgoRoseMaiden In reply to GypsyCharm [2016-12-17 04:05:11 +0000 UTC]

lol yeah that would be pretty cool but dont forget loveable rotten Bertram lol

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GypsyCharm In reply to VirgoRoseMaiden [2016-12-17 04:09:14 +0000 UTC]

Who could ever forget Bertam?! He'll be diligently passing his master pption bombs during a fight, all to receive hia reward of squeaky toys and head scratches afterwards.

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VirgoRoseMaiden In reply to GypsyCharm [2016-12-17 18:50:38 +0000 UTC]

Actually can he receive head cratches? Maybe lightly so no leftover hair or scalp comes off. But I can see Bertram chewing on a sqeaky toy in the shape of a pony head mumbling braaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiins xD

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Lordoffantasy [2016-12-16 19:01:49 +0000 UTC]

.......... i am pretty sure that something woulda done her in by now.

and more so twilight woulda pulled a celestia on pan loooong ass time ago. so yeah.........

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Khasym In reply to Lordoffantasy [2016-12-16 20:13:27 +0000 UTC]

Ohhhh no. DISCORD might have been locked up in stone for years, but Pandora will NEVER go down that quietly. Get that nutty noodle's blood up proper, and I doubt anything short of a magical nuclear bombardment will even scare her off the HUNT.

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Melani-Nexus In reply to Khasym [2016-12-16 21:45:55 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm Discord in the show always has been the type that likes to mess with ponies minds, not downright torture them, but mess up deeply with their personalities. Forcing them to create their own particular hell while he just toyed with his chaos and his surroundings. He only fell to the elements of Harmony 'cause he was arrogant and reckless... I don't think that Panny, having the powers of Discord and being driven by hate instead of boredom, would use her father's chaos magic light. I think that she would be even able to beat most princesses, Bill cypher style! 

'Cause or you go insane, or you will die a bloody nightmarish death anyway.   It's gonna get weird. 

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UnluckyAmulet [2016-12-16 18:55:32 +0000 UTC]

Jesus, Pandora always tries to play the victim card, doesn't she?

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Lopoddity In reply to UnluckyAmulet [2016-12-16 20:39:26 +0000 UTC]

To be fair, so does Moondancer. in the main storyverse..and he didn't even experience a friend get, y'know, murdered.

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Greatfist In reply to Lopoddity [2016-12-17 06:07:20 +0000 UTC]

That's not really a fair comparison though.  Pandora has LITERALLY every advantage and proceeds to waste all of them while being a smarmy cunt.  Moondancer is a bastard son born on a rock farm that feels like he has no control of his life or significance and for all his struggles is always effortlessly outdone by other who are just born better.  Moondancer is a relatable and understandable person struggling from a position of weakness and born disadvantage.  Pandora is just a spoiled brat to an almost unfathomable degree.  Even in this AU she is spoiled because Twilight has all the power of the four princesses and is the only one truly capable of stopping her but Twilight is being a selfish and terrible person and letting her go.  "Oh boo hoo, I can't kill my own daughter.  I guess I'll just let her torture and murder OTHER PEOPLES sons and daughters because my pain and my family matter more."  

I like this Moondancer AND main story evil Moondancer way more than Pandora because he is at least a person struggling and trying to better themselves by overcoming real obstacles both external and internal.  Pandora is the source of all her own problems, even now.  "Boo Hoo, a few ponies are bad so I'll hate them all."  "Boo Hoo, the only person that truly loves and understands me is dead... Except my loving mother... and my loving father... and my goddess princess aunts... and my national hero avatars of goodness other aunts... other than them I'm all alone and unloved."

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Lopoddity In reply to Greatfist [2016-12-17 13:16:04 +0000 UTC]

"A smarmy c*nt"

Okay so right off the bat that tells me you don't really have an argument. I am also going to ask you not to drop a sexist slur in my comment section-there are children who read this stuff.

See, I created these characters. I know everything bout them, what they've done, and what they will do. I understand their motivations and how justified their respective turns to the dark side were, because I created them, so please don't lecture me. You don't like Pandora-that's fine. But to call her "whiny", while pretending Moondancer is just some poor misunderstood underdog...that's delusional, pal. Moondancer's life hasn't been fair, but he he, like Pandora, still grew up in a loving, happy household with all the support he could have ever wanted. He wasn't poor or disadvantaged, his parents gave him everything he could have wanted. He makes himself miserable by feeling so entitled to things-he thinks he deserves a glorious, wealthy life of a hero, and for what reason? Because he was born related to Starswirl? By virtue of his birth. Pffft yeah okay. Pan isn't perfect but at least she doesn't hold delusions like Moondancer, especially his ridiculous delusion of grandeur, feelings of entitlement, and rage issues.

"I like this Moondancer AND main story evil Moondancer way more than Pandora because he is at least a person struggling and trying to better themselves by overcoming real obstacles both external and internal"

As Moondancer's creator...I can say that's bullshit. In the hero timeline sure, that's true, but villain Moondancer is a villain. You can like a character while acknowledging they are a terrible person, and Moondancer is (or at least he grows up to be). Moondancer is no underdog-worse things have happened to my other characters, and they didn't turn into dark magic using egomaniacs. Moondancer hurts people for no reason, all out of a bizarre sadism built out of the idea that the world owes him everything he wants on a silver platter. His obsessive jealousy over Pan's power tore their friendship apart, even though Moondancer's special talent isn't even magic (that's why he's so unhappy), he just wants to be magically strong to feel superior to others. If Moondancer were as powerful as Pan, I guarantee to you he'd still be out there being villainous, lording over ponies, pushing away friends and family, not understanding why he's still so miserable.

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Greatfist In reply to Lopoddity [2016-12-17 20:50:01 +0000 UTC]

"Smarmy Cunt" Is sexist?  Would you be so up in arms if I called Moondancer or Chakra an Arrogant Dick?  It is literally just the female equivalent.  Maybe in your social circles insulting someone is sexists but where I'm from its just that, an insult.  When you call someone a dick is because they are a bad person that happens to be male and when you call them a cunt it is because they are a bad person that happens to be female so unless you are of the opinion that insulting a woman is inherently sexist, an idea that itself would be sexists, then I don't see where your call of sexism is from.  If the anger is solely from not being child appropriate then... fair enough.  After this paragraph counterpoint I'll refrain from more profanity.

Your second paragraph shows that you and I clearly have a different opinion on literary works.  I, like some others, believe in the 'Death of the author" which is the believe that art and literature exists outside of the its creator and their original intention and goal in its making is irrelevant.  What a creator intends to make and what they actually make are often two different things and instead of taking in mind what they intend you should instead ignore it and build your opinions solely based on the work itself.  If I were to paint a picture and I want to draw a Red Line but accidentally swipe across white paint while doings so making a Pink Line then the line is pink.  No matter what I said or wanted the line is now pink and viewers of that work that see a pink line are correct.  What I wanted and intended stops mattering the moment the art is complete and put out to view by others.  If they see my work differently than that is just how it is.  

You have your own persepective on all of your characters based upon your own ideas, ideas that are far more fleshed out than any information that your viewers ever see, and because of that don't matter until they have been written down.  You have shown to at least understand this concept due to the Moondancer Trixie argument art where in the description you wrote that you realized that you hadn't shown Moondancer actually doing anything villainous, only you as the author telling us that he is one.  The character in your head and the character others see didn't match up so you took steps to fix that.  The difference in our perspectives is that are of the opinion that the character in your head is the one that matters and I am of the opinion that the character that has been written down is what matters.

So there may be more events and explanations for how Moondancer is driven by 'ridiculous delusion of grandeur, feelings of entitlement, and rage issues'  but what we as an audience have seen is "grew up on rock farm', "bullied for being different",  "jealous because Pandora got more praise from their mentor because she was stronger and better by birth", "Unloved and unwanted by his father when he finally finds them",  "is aggravated by Pandora 'trying to reconnect their friendship' by saying he will always be weaker than her and he should just give it up and hang out with her", and then "Yells at mother in fit of rage" and "somehow finds Sombra's horn and uses on self to become stronger".  

Until you add in the last two situations he isn't a deluded and entitled villain, and including those last two you get the feeling that steps in his path are clearly missing and CRUCIAL.  There is a very harsh change in character in his piece with Trixie with no real explanation why.  He is supposed to have had a happy and loving childhood but suddenly just hates his mother and blames everything on her? How? Why? None of these questions are answered.  His whole character seemed to revolve around trying to be stronger and becoming a respected/reknowned mage but then he just picks up the 'designated villain' ball and just becomes a horrible person with no steps inbetween.  There may be character growth and a particualar path in life that you have in mind for him but until it is written and know then we as an audience can only guess.  With Moondancers given backstory of being talked up by his mother as destined to be great and powerful since a foal then pre-cutie mark getting shown up by Pandora even as a little colt to HARD LEFT get cutie mark in non-magic even though it has nothing to do with any part of his established character, then back on track to spending all of his time studying magic and trying to be stronger, then hard right hates mother has sombra horn is villain.  Maybe your 'path' in your head is smoother but we as and audience don't have that.  And yet we are supposed to dislike him and root for Pandora even though Moondancer as he has been shown is cursed over by fate because even Midnight Abyss is stronger than him. Why is she stronger you ask?  It isn't because of a lifetime of dedicated study and training. Its the same reason anyone in the Pandoraverse is strong, they were born that way.  Eugenics ftw, Hard work and dedication? Nah, you don't get your dreams if your work hard because you were 'destined' to be weak and normal no matter how hard you try to be otherwise and Pandora is destined to be and immortal princess/goddess no matter how much she wastes her talents and power.

Its my biggest problem with Pandoraverse, everything side related like Stormy and Chakra and Rosemary are all great and interesting characters, but Pandora and Moondancer seem bound by 'destiny' and their character and plots will twist and contort in order to live up to it no matter what the information about them implies beforehand.  It makes it hard to like or care about them, though Moondancer at least is a legitimately tragic character with his Sisyphean destiny and the fact that his implied 'happy/good' end is him giving up his dreams of being powerful and respected and just be a normy while Pandora and Flurry Heart and Iridesence and Artimes all get to live his dream by virtue of birth.  Yes Moondancer, give up and accept you weren't born as one of the literal Master races and know your place, you'll be much happier that way.

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Lopoddity In reply to Greatfist [2016-12-17 21:48:58 +0000 UTC]

Wowie. You seem to be projecting a number of personal issues onto these characters and are confident in these personal assumptions and criticisms, while at the same time dismissing my thoughts via "death of the author". That's pretty rude. Why on earth should I care about your position, if you completely disregard my word as the author? It's like you're angry that I'm the one in control of the story? You can't even respect my request not to use a certain word on my own drawing. I disagree with your criticisms, because it seems that you're complaining that the story doesn't work the way that you want it too. And that's kinda not my problem? You really are whitewashing away parts of Moondancer's not-so-positive character development that have been clearly shown, like the part where as a foal, he was jealous and spiteful that his mentor dared to be proud of her own daughter, or the part where he feels that he should be the best simply because he's descended from a famous dead guy and gets furious when he is not in fact basking in supremacy from birth, rejects Pan's friendship to obsessively brood and study diligently how to overpower her, as though that'd prove anything at all, and pursues a "destiny" that doesn't even make him happy, just to feed his own ego. His 'ambition' is only delusion-his "dreams" are not to be powerful and respected, but rather powerful, feared, practically worshiped. Moondancer very much could have become a great sorcerer and used his talents for good, maybe even worked his way to becoming a royal, outshining his own father. But he didn't. He's bitter, he's obsessive, he's spiteful, he's sadistic, he is an entitled brat. You're still allowed to like him, but don't disregard his flaws just to crap on Pandora. Be honest.

It really, really reads like you're just huffy that Moondancer isn't the strongest by default, and that he is outmatched by Pandora, who you don't like. You want the character you like to win and come out on top. Again, not really my problem. Like I get that you're obviously really engaged in the story and like the character, but geez, simmer down. I ain't done telling the story yet.

Also in the future, please don't leave enormous walls of text on my deviations? k thnx

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Greatfist In reply to Lopoddity [2016-12-18 03:43:28 +0000 UTC]

"Can't even respect my request to not use certain words" In my first paragraph I literally said I would refrain from using those words out of respect for your intended audience.  How exactly do you expect 'respecting your request' to work? Is a person not allowed to explain or justify their points when you immediatly call them sexist and dismisses them as even being capable of holding a valid opinion because of it?  Projecting and assuming is what you were doing about me because I used an insult that seems to not in be in common parlance from where you from.  

Second "sadism' 'delusional dreams' and 'desire to be worshipped' all these traits you are applying to Moondancer are show in where?  Which deviation or story holds those? None, because you haven't made them yet?  How exactly am I, or anyone, supposed to see how 'terrible' and 'awful' your character is when he is never show acting that way.  The only bad thing he has actually done is blame his mother for his problems in life and yell at her immediately what is quite possible the worst moment of his life.  If more of his character was written like that without that one time excuse of extreme distress then I might see where your negative opinion comes from but so far almost all of the bad things you say about him seem to be based on things that exist solely in your head.  Until you write them how am I supposed to "respect' your opinion on the character.

What characterization he has actually had so far do infact support your description of 'entitled' but only partially.  Even in your bio for him you state that he is disillusioned and bitter about the inequity of his life and the world as a whole.  Much of the bitterness and 'entitled' nature is clearly derived from Trixie talking him up about his heritage when he is young combined with his mentorship under Twilight.  Niether of those two are 'bad' ponies form how they handled it but they are clearly the cause of his complex.  Twilight was 'proud of her daughter' while her daughter was a student in addition to another pony.  She, like any teacher, should be able to understand the incredibly basic concept of 'favoritism' and how that WILL INVARIABLY effect the non-favorite.  If she was willing to take over the role of mentor for another foal she should also take on the responsibility of not giving bad lessons.  Praising a child for being skilled or powerful will naturally make the connection of 'power = praise'.  Teaching a bullied child that if they were stronger they would be more loved is fucked up.  Twilight didn't mean to teach that lesson but clearly did given that Moondancer grew up to be obsessed with becoming stronger to be loved and respected and is bitter that he wasn't born special like Pandora.

Moondancer's arc as it has been shown so far  is a person trying to come to terms with the inherent inequality of the world and their descent into madness due to being able to 'beat destiny' and rise above the station he was born into.  That is an interesting and compelling story that I would be invested in no matter if he succeeds or fails.  I don't simply 'want him to win' I want to actually see him go through that arc instead of you showing a single moment of him at his lowest lashing out in anger and then suddenly having sombra's horn just telling us that he is now a horrible monster that is deluded and spiteful and sadistic without ever actually showing any of those traits, either in other deviations or even in the one where he is straight up using dark magic.  Its all tell and no show.

By contrast Pandora 'for the most part' isn't a bad pony, but she is an incredibly privileged person.  Her greatest obstacle is not knowing her place in life, who she wants to be, which could be interesting, but it is very much a 'first world problem'.  If she just wanted she could just walk whatever path she wants.  Her problem is she can be anything but doesn't know what she wants and Moondancer by contrast knows what he want but can't be it and when Pandora interacts with him she just doesn't get it.  In her 'reconnecting' attempt with Moondancer she basically foo foos all his struggles and internal conflicts while actively mocking him and expecting him to just do what she wants.  She is in immature individual, not a bad character, just a character that needs to grow up.  That is her arc, growing up, while his is darker, and in my opinion, more interesting.  Yet Moondancer is the entitled brat that gets thrown under the bus while Pandora is supposed to be the lovable hero.   Moondancer is bitter about his circumstances and obssessed with try to fix them in his own twisted ways but hasn't done anything actually evil or truly hatable.  Lashing out in anger in the worst moment of your life is bad, but not evil, yet he is the villain and his flaws are supposed to be cause for dislike/disdain.  Pandora is immature and narcissistic and insensitive and self absorbed and yet those are flaws are played off more as 'quirks' of a lovable rogue that we are supposed to root for.  That is the source of my dislike for her, not even hate just dislike, and the fact that she gets all of the leeway and isn't really called out for being a jerk while you seem just almost hate Moondancer for those same in addition to things he hasn't actually them done yet.  If you had actually shown all the horrible things you call him I might get your disdain for him, but as you just said you 'ain't done telling the story' so why would I form my opinions on that untold story.  How can you, or an author, reasonably expect your audience to hate a character on the grounds of 'No really he is just a horrible whiny monster in my imagination".   Its like if you just randomly told us that we are also supposed to hate Bruce because he totally becomes a serial killer later in life due to his abusive childhood.  That is quite a leap in character development and until it happens, and is good, then I wouldn't change my opinion of him as he is now.

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Lopoddity In reply to Greatfist [2016-12-18 04:22:04 +0000 UTC]

"All tell and no show"

That's a really interesting criticism aimed at a medium that involves posting art and writing descriptions, comments, and text posts...you know, showing and telling. Also, way to totally respect my request not to post any more giant walls of text in my comment section.

"Death of the author" is not applicable in this medium, where so much story information is given to you all directly by me, not always through images, and not always even in an articulated text post. Sometimes I type out some offhanded jokey nonsense in the description and it's an important plot point. Sometimes I shed light on the plot through tumblr asks, or responding to people's random questions here, or making crummy status updates. I don't think I've ever actually drawn Stormy flying, but I say that he's an excellent flier and I am believed. I say that Bruce is a marine biologist, or that Peachy is a great singer, or that Cupcake is a brutal warrior, and I am believed. Or does "Death of the author" not extend to stuff I write in the bios? Where is the boundary? Either nothing I personally say counts toward characterization, or all of it does. There are many things I haven't yet shown, but they are still so in the story. I could tell you that Chakra Blossom was toxic to Stormy, and you believe, but then I say that Moondancer is the bad guy, and you refuse to believe. That's deliberately stuffing your fingers in your ears because you don't like what I have to say.  You don't want to believe me on what I have to say about my own character, and that's your problem dude, not mine.

You're certainly entitled to your opinions (and your hissy fit i guess). I don't hate Moondancer. That's kind of a dumb assumption to make, given that I draw the guy a lot, carefully plan his scenes, and even show many moments where's he's happy and adjusted. I'm glad you're so invested in the story, but I'd really like you to cool it down. Your anger is pointless, and honestly pretty annoying.

And again, please keep long text posts out of my comment section. It's an eyesore. If you want to rant at me, send me a private note, don't clutter up my comments. If you can't respect this request and respond with yet another pointless ramble here, I will block you.

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ice-wolf-alchemist In reply to Greatfist [2016-12-18 04:07:01 +0000 UTC]

you such an entitled twit

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Greatfist In reply to ice-wolf-alchemist [2016-12-18 07:53:14 +0000 UTC]

Yep, I said "I don't like Blank because of Blank", the height of entitlement.  Not liking something and then elaborating when someone responds is called a 'conversation'.  The only 'offensive' thing I've done so far is use a swear word to describe a character I don't like for explicitly explained reasons.

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