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I dunno if you guessed it, but I like drawing cute little ponies....fanart of a children's cartoon. And every so often, someone feels the need to tell me that my personal interest is stupid, childish, cancerous....."cringe-y". Boy howdy, do I hear that word tossed around a lot. Cringe, cringe, cringe. We're all afraid of making something cringe-worthy. Something that could end up in those lovely "Bad OC" cringe compilations. I see other artists, especially young creators, getting policed and attacked for creating something that could-gasp!- be interpreted as the dreaded Mary Sue. So artists stifle themselves. Can't make your OC too colorful. Don't you dare make them related to a canon character! Better watch that backstory, lest somebody decry your character as an edgelord. You can have a nerdy interest, but you better not be too fucking passionate about it. Watch yourself. Don't be too different. Don't be cringe-y.


So here's my question to ye gatekeepers of content, ye knowers of all things cringe-worthy, ye adamant enforcers of creative conformity...........Who cares?



Really. Why. Why is "cringe" an issue? So what if someone makes an edgy black-and-red OC, or a sparkly mary sue alicorn princess? So what if somebody makes up an over-powered self-insert and ships them with a canon character? So what if somebody dares to be unironically passionate about a fandom or interest considered less-than-cool? Who cares if people have imperfect, cliche-riddled characters they love?


Cringe culture is mean-spirited. It demands creators conform. It's perpetuated by people who, quite oddly, get really bent out of shape at the sight of people unironically enjoying harmless things.


I say forget it. Trample it. Let people have fun. Especially don't be cruel to young creators- nobody learns to be a skilled artist or writer overnight. And this is by no means a statement against criticism, even harsh criticism.....but there's a big, big difference between giving constructive criticism, vs choosing to crap on somebody for having a "cringe-y" interest. Clicking on someone's work to tell them that it's cringe, or cancer, or that they should kill themselves.....that's not criticism. It's cruelty. The only point of it is to discourage and shame creators, often young, vulnerable ones. There is nothing heroic or helpful about this behavior. This is what I am standing against. To make things clear, I am not anti-criticism. I am anti-bullying.


Idk. I'm a teacher with an Art Education degree, and I believe one of the most important things is to encourage people's interest in the arts, not push them away (out of a mean-spirited attempt to seem cooler by proxy). My favorite Mister Rogers quote (applies to artists of all ages):


"Do you like to draw with crayons? I'm not very good at it. But it doesn't matter. It's the fun of doing it that's important. Now, I wouldn't have made that if I just thought about it. No matter how anybody says it is....It feels good to have made something."


edit: adding in a relevant C.S. Lewis quote as well, on enjoying "childish things"


“Critics who treat ‘adult’ as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”





Join my Cringe Challenge here! Cringey Pony OC Challengefigured my last status would work better as a journal SO
I've got a little challenge for all my artists that love making MLP OCs~
if you want to, i'd sure appreciate if ya'll would design the "cringiest", most "mary-sue/gary stu" pony your brain can concoct, and submit your design to this journal in a comment. I'd like to do a piece about how cringe culture restricts our freedom as makers and consumers of content, so I'll be picking one of your "cringe" designs and drawing it! I'd like to make clear that this is not meant to be mean-spirited, your mock OC will be drawn respectfully, and hopefully be used to get those haters of "cringe-y OCs" to question why they feel the need to mock other people's harmless interests.
You can go however nuts you want. Break every OC-designing rule, design however you goddamn want. Wanna show me a rainbow-haired alicorn with jewel eyes and two sets of wings? Go for it! Make a black and red overpowered dark lord that cries ink black tears. This OC was designed by , their original (much better, lol) drawing is here:


edit: comments disabled because it's late and i'm tired, and some of ya'll are getting real huffy about a drawing of a rainbow horse with a flowery anti-bullying message. will probably turn comments back on later. For now i think i'm good on being told to kill myself. Great job convincing me cringe culture is totes necessary tho!

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Comments: 623

Binkyt11 [2018-06-15 13:28:25 +0000 UTC]

As long as they aren't hurting anyone aren't and are willing to learn how improve some day, let them have their fun.

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Bea-The-Cat In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 11:58:42 +0000 UTC]

This is such a good message!!

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Roseblossom-03 In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 11:46:41 +0000 UTC]

Thank You!!
I'm so glad that someone like you says something like this.
I like many things that a person would call cringe so i am scared of telling other people what I like.
People want to have fun and have different interests, you don't have to be the same as everyone else. People shouldn't be bullied because they're different, they should be allowed to do what they love.
• w •

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chrystine In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 11:31:24 +0000 UTC]

Very well said. Let people enjoy things.

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PhantomJohara In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 10:39:40 +0000 UTC]

Preach

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AngeredIrken03 In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 09:58:20 +0000 UTC]

Most people who make/made "oc cringe comps" actually went "oh wait this is kinda an asshole thing to do; telling beginner artists/children their work is awful or stupid rather than help" and either started giving helpful art (drawing/animation) critique, or just stopped making compilations in general.

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MelodySweetheart [2018-06-15 09:27:19 +0000 UTC]

YES QUEEN! PREACH!


Seriously though, I can't tell you how big of a fear I've got about ending up in a cringe video or something. At this point I even refuse to draw certain things (sonic OCs/FCs, creepypasta shit etc), even though that type of art is gonna stay completely private and will most likely never be seen by anyone (aka it'll stay in my private sketchbook).
With all that said, I am taking steps towards improvement. Heck, I recently even managed to cough up a new sonic next gen, even though it looks like shit ^^'
I'm really glad to see someone I've looked up to for years, post something like this and deal with cringe culture supporters so well (I read the replies you left on some of the supporters' comments and all I gotta say, is that you're amazing) UwU

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Lovinz [2018-06-15 08:22:11 +0000 UTC]

Its good that you spoke out to the bullying that is going on with "cringe culture"

Nobody deserves to be bullied over art, Its just cruel. Like you said i can understand harsh crits but really, telling someone to end their life over a pony drawing? (or other types of ocs.)

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Ghost--Moth In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 08:15:44 +0000 UTC]

Listen guys I think there is some misunderstanding going on here I want to hopefully clear up. This art is simply against people bullying or calling soemthing cringe. Now you can believe it’s cringe if that’s how you feel about it, if so then move on you don’t have to keep looking at it and you don’t have to comment. If you don’t like it move on. Now as for the comments themselves Lopp isn’t saying you can’t critisize an artist, or state an opinion. What she is saying is don’t bully someone do not insult their art, do not tell them to kill themselves because their art isn’t good enough, or because you don’t like the story or the oc, or because you don’t like the fandom. Criticizing saying what you could feel someone could do better, telling them how a piece of their story arc may be a bit weak. 

There is a difference in bullying, and being apart of cringe culture comments, and giving an honest critique and that’s what lop is saying. 

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RandomFortuneLuck In reply to Ghost--Moth [2018-06-15 08:21:08 +0000 UTC]

Ohh,my favorite

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ppgzmlpfimlover In reply to RandomFortuneLuck [2018-06-15 11:50:49 +0000 UTC]

Whoops I think mobile made me accidentally reply to you. Wow, I hate mobile. My bad!!

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RandomFortuneLuck In reply to ppgzmlpfimlover [2018-06-15 12:41:59 +0000 UTC]

It happens

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ppgzmlpfimlover In reply to RandomFortuneLuck [2018-06-15 11:47:47 +0000 UTC]

Someone: Hey guys, how about we stop calling people's interest "cringe" since it usually effects people negatively especially young people and makes them feel as if their interest are wrong and can we also stop calling their art cringe because it only demotivates them and it's not real criticism.
Inevitably someone else on the internet: Um,, sweetie,, if I want to be a jerk to people on the internet I'm allowed to,, Freedoms of speech babe,,, first amendment,, It's criticism dude like grow a tougher skin,, why dont you just kys,,

So yeah, anyway, I'm totally for this movement. 

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yellowflowerevy [2018-06-15 06:49:04 +0000 UTC]

I know i have fallen into this fear quite a few times, but I mostly take issue now whenever it's incorporated into a group. Like it's fine to have the most powerful oc ever but when you share a world with others that also wanna be powerful I find it's detrimental. It's why I started toning down my ocs so it would not be unfair to others. But if it's legit just having fun? Like not your character stepping on others? Then do what you like!

I teach English and comic artist  in China and my personal mlp headcannon is Sphinx where the race initially at war with draconis because they represented balance where draqonies ( which lord knows I can't spell right) represent chaos. But if Sphinx did not exist Draquonies would not have existed at all. Sphinx had figured out how to lock them away but it was one of their own that released chaos and trapped Sphinx instead. Which is why little is left of either group sept legands. Is it silly that I have spent a long time with this headcannon that I like it like I liyour next generation stories? I certainly don't think so. 

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MudkipzUniverse [2018-06-15 05:05:04 +0000 UTC]

you are my new favorite person

this is great

you are great

keep on doing your art because its fantastic

I personally get super excited when I see new posts from you in my feed

have a great day/night/morning/evening (whatever time it is for you)!

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DeusIudex In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 04:53:58 +0000 UTC]

Very well written statement my friend. To quote Game of Thrones, "a lion does not concern itself with the opinions of sheep."

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MarshIsATheatreGeek [2018-06-15 04:16:01 +0000 UTC]

im so glad someone with as much popularity as u openly spoke out against the bullying an harassment used in cringe culture!!! : 3

i agree wholeheartedly with all the points u made an im so glad that u still stand by ur opinion even tho (from what ive read) some people have been,, less then kind to u about ur opinion..,,, : / ((sorry about those ppl))

sure, u may not like how an oc 'hurts ur eyes' or that the backstory is 'riddled with cliches an plotholes an mindless bullcrap only put there to glorify the oc without putting flaws in there to balance it', but that doesnt mean u have to make a huge fuss about it!! an there is absolutely no need to be a bully either : v

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Shochu-Tachi In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 04:14:58 +0000 UTC]

and thus, after reading this, i have one question to you. well two, Mrs. Lopoddity.
1. you're a teacher????
2. if so, how old are you??
I ask, because I've always assumed you were a college freshman!!
and you seldom mentioned classes and a job. 
come to think of it, your stories and ideas are well-written and very interesting. Professional even

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Lopoddity In reply to Shochu-Tachi [2018-06-15 04:39:07 +0000 UTC]

College freshman? Haha nah man I graduated university almost two years ago. And yeah, I'm a teacher, certified and everything. I taught public school for a while, although lately I'm taking a break to explore other career options in the arts.

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eaglespirit1 In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 04:05:12 +0000 UTC]

I think things only get 'cringy' when you can see as little effort as humanly possible went in.
This is often evident when ocs are relates to canon and that's literally all they are. No real personality beyond '25% like mom and 75% like dad'. That's why yours work so well I think, they are much more then their parents.
I can admit I did stuff kinda like that when I was new, but its learning and moving beyond it that counts. Taking that same 'cringe' character and making them better 

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Dendropsyche In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 03:51:17 +0000 UTC]

THANK YOU! FUCK!!! People who get upset over someone enjoying something weird but harmless are so pathetic. Leave them alone, get a better hobby!!!

I'm so tired of hearing that you have to be "serious" with x and x thing, like fuck off I'm doing this for fun? My fun doesn't need your bullshit rules.

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Didun850 In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 03:03:03 +0000 UTC]

Hopefully, At least people dont call you a pedophile because of your interests ;-;

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SunshineEmbrace In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 02:51:13 +0000 UTC]

I keep coming back to this- I really love her! You brought up such a great message and it's so important- I feel so bad there's so many hostile commenters who just want to be right. You don't deserve any of the hate!!! What you started is really really great <3

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VioletHaze9 In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 02:29:16 +0000 UTC]

I realized a while ago...can't put a date on it...that worrying over my character being a "Mary Sue" was stupid. Why does my character have to follow these stupid rules when the main characters of the shows/movies/books don't? Case in point: Kurosaki Ichigo the main character of Bleach. He's a Gary Stu if there ever was one. So, partly because of that partly because I'm older and wiser, I don't bother limiting my characters anymore. It's made making them a lot easier. They develop their personalities so much more naturally now without limits. I'm glad I stopped trying to "conform to societal norms", it's overrated.

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SkyFire428 In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 02:10:34 +0000 UTC]

I agree, very nice message

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NutellaMisty23 [2018-06-15 01:31:47 +0000 UTC]

Honestly, I used to be those people that say CRINGE a lot, but now I realize how immature and offensive that was to say

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Xhyroglyph [2018-06-15 01:16:53 +0000 UTC]

You put this very eloquently and I'm so relieved that more people are finally rising up to speak out against this horribly detrimental mindset. It always bothered me because, unless they were shoving their views and OC's "superiority" into other people's faces, having an overcolorful/edgey/OP character honestly isn't doing any harm at all. Mistakes and experiences have to be made before people can grow, and shaming others for completely normal tendencies is beyond ridiculous. I never would have learned how to write more in-depth and realistic characters had I not started out with drawing a bunch of Mary Sue-esque characters - because they were such cool concepts at the time - and realizing for myself how I could improve upon them. How dare a child have *gasp* the mind of a child that's still developing and experiencing new things.


Also wtf that mane is so damn pretty.

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McDeviantBun123 [2018-06-15 00:41:00 +0000 UTC]

The color in this pic is executed so well! Good job!

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Sheepfurr In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 00:07:04 +0000 UTC]

The funny thing is that I really love rainbowy pastel characters. Mainly for the design, and if there's any additional info, I usually read it.
I strongly believe that anyone has no limits to original characters. They can make whatever they want, it can have rainbows, be bright neon pink, make them an alicorn, etc.
I just don't understand those people who don't allow "cringe" characters into roleplays and all that. I can understand if they have no flaws and are very clearly a mary sue/gary stu, but it doesn't excuse the people who don't allow a character with a rainbow mane.
I agree with you so much with this, keep up the great work!

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Armchair-Commenter46 In reply to ??? [2018-06-14 23:59:54 +0000 UTC]

Look here. the reason why everyone hates MLP so much is because it has become SO oversaturated (it had it's own feature-length film!) that people are tired of it. The need for some to make the worst crossovers with MLP (victims include WH40k and Fallout) and the extremely obnoxious, rabid and cancerous minority of the whole damn fanbase who DO make bad OCs, porn and shit fanart/ficton doesn't help put the show in a positive light. 
Of course, most of the fans are probably good people and don't cram it down other's throats but get typified by the worst parts of the fanbase. This happens to many fandoms because the crappy fans are the most vocal, and since we only hear about them everyone else who likes a tv show/game/series gets labeled "cancerous" and thrown into a box.  

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NeXcrotic In reply to Armchair-Commenter46 [2018-06-15 02:46:13 +0000 UTC]

You do realize that mlp was orginally intended for little kids right? It had its own movies and things like that because that's what little kids like.

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Armchair-Commenter46 In reply to NeXcrotic [2018-06-15 05:02:01 +0000 UTC]

I know that, but I am referring to the worst regions of the MLP fanbase. 

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NeXcrotic In reply to Armchair-Commenter46 [2018-06-16 03:46:13 +0000 UTC]

Ah, that I understand. I must have misread, I'm sorry.

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Armchair-Commenter46 In reply to NeXcrotic [2018-06-16 04:58:41 +0000 UTC]

It's alright, we all make mistakes. 

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BananaArt17 In reply to ??? [2018-06-14 22:59:47 +0000 UTC]

The mane is so beautiful tho! 

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DolphinGirlWriter In reply to ??? [2018-06-14 22:56:42 +0000 UTC]

There's too much awesome in this for me. 
the design, the color, the everything.....
*sees the meaning behind this*...…I might just cry. I love this. this made it even more great)

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TeslatheDog In reply to ??? [2018-06-14 22:46:44 +0000 UTC]

I hear you. Cringe culture is more cancerous that crappy artwork. All these people do is destroy confidence and everything grand and unique.

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MarchLito In reply to ??? [2018-06-14 22:35:15 +0000 UTC]

The message is pointing the right direction, but it’s persuasion needs fine tuning. First off, the first word people read is “destroy”. “Destroy”? That is a powerfully negative word, if I do say so myself. Can we clean up the world of its trash through destruction? Maybe you could have made “Draw what makes you happy!” on top with big font, then have “Say NO to Cringe!” as a subtitle. Or even better “It’s about having fun!” Very simple!

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Lopoddity In reply to MarchLito [2018-06-14 22:43:57 +0000 UTC]

I appreciate the advice. In retrospect, I can understand how my message left room for misinterpretation.

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MarchLito In reply to Lopoddity [2018-06-14 23:01:42 +0000 UTC]

Always remember, “One person’s treasure is another person’s trash.”

And it’s never been about “saving the world”, it’s always been about saving one person, at a time.

Cheers mate!

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LeAlphaDawgy In reply to ??? [2018-06-14 21:24:03 +0000 UTC]

I can't understand for the life of me why anyone would be against the message of this unless they miss the point COMPLETELY.

The difference between criticism and cringe culture is that criticism comes from someone who is genuinely trying to
help someone improve, while cringe culture is nothing more than senseless bullying and mocking out of sheer spite.
Cringe culture is rude and STOPS creativity and growth in an artist, criticism is reasonable and should hopefully make people aware of what
flaws are in their art, so that they can focus on them next time and do something better. 

Anyway, good message.

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Lopoddity In reply to LeAlphaDawgy [2018-06-14 21:59:36 +0000 UTC]

Thank you. :>

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Commander-Katelyn [2018-06-14 20:50:21 +0000 UTC]

these comments lol
how, pray tell, is advocating for the end of social ridicule making deviantArt a "hugbox"? real confused up in here

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Lopoddity In reply to Commander-Katelyn [2018-06-15 05:00:01 +0000 UTC]

i dunno, it's kind of weird that a "hugbox" is the worst situation they can imagine. As if being reasonably polite online is some sort of fascist hell. I think it's how they justify getting to bully content creators, they pretend blatant  abuse is actually helpful.....somehow.

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Commander-Katelyn In reply to Lopoddity [2018-06-15 06:38:50 +0000 UTC]

I don’t even really understand how a hugbox would be a bad thing to be quite honest. A safe space for creators really sort of implies that criticism would be encouraged.
Oh gosh, could you imagine? A safe, friendly community where you can go to be creative without expecting to be bullied? Terrible!

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SplitMaw In reply to ??? [2018-06-14 20:03:48 +0000 UTC]

I really like this.  Yeah, not every character is great, but let people feel things out and develop as they go through different phases and points of focus until they create something that they're REALLY proud of.  Let them experiment and learn about character design through experience.  I personally find black-and-red designs to be extremely aesthetically pleasing, as those are my favorite colors, and yet everyone is obsessed with shutting down those colors because of beginner's underdeveloped characters and the community's up-in-arms reaction.

Just be chill with others, and let them feel things out.  Don't shut someone down for trying.  That's literally all this is saying.

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fey-fae-whatever In reply to ??? [2018-06-14 19:56:02 +0000 UTC]

Don't mind me, just getting my daily salt tablet in the comments.

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SourceRabbit In reply to ??? [2018-06-14 19:35:59 +0000 UTC]

''Let me spread a controversial message about positivity where I open a dialogue to people by giving my opinion, but fuck you if you make an opinion that is different than mine, I'll close comments and won't let you tell me I'm wrong, that will show you!!'' 

This message is terrible, and I'm going to tell you why. 

Being an artist is all about improvement, it's all about making mistakes to make something better out of them, you wanna know where ''artists'' who don't take harsh criticism as a base to improve end up? They end up making crap-tier inflation pictures, getting offended over the smallest piece of actual constructive criticism and turning their comment sections into massive hugboxes where you can only say ''nice things'' to them. They are stuck ups who can't see reality even if it was right on their face. 

Your message is basically telling people to be in a comfort zone and stop caring about what other people think, which most if not all of the time implies listening to nobody even if they have more experience than you do and know what they are talking about, funny, isn't it? But most of the time older artists who ACTUALLY improve over time look at their previous work and say to themselves ''Damn, my work was so cringe worthy when I started!'' The reason being because they are now better than they were in the past. 

5K people have put this on their favorites, thinking that criticism of any kind is not worth anything, I hope you are proud of yourself. 

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Myshkat In reply to SourceRabbit [2018-06-14 20:08:38 +0000 UTC]

You are aware that cringe is not actual criticism, but bullying and that she is clearly against cringe? In the picture it says "Destroy Cringe Culture" NOT "Destroy Criticism". There is a difference between "This needs improvement" and "Hahaha you suck, you should be ashamed of yourself, in fact, here, I'll make a video mocking you and your art". And having people threatening to kill you when someone tells them their bullying videos mocking and harming kids who want to draw colorful and edgy things is wrong, is not something you want to dealing with. So I totally agree to shut down comments was good.
Take away the idea that cringe is criticism. It is not. It's bullying, and telling artists- or anyone to get a thicker skin, when you can't have one when someone tells you is wrong to mock others, is what makes someone a bully, or someone who supports bullying. 
Again, she isn't against criticism, she is against cringe. 

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SourceRabbit In reply to Myshkat [2018-06-14 20:35:29 +0000 UTC]

There's one, extremely easy and killer solution for that kind of people. 

Block and move on

The fact that you are so affected by them is exactly the one thing giving them power, to preach about change and how much people affect you is a massive back-fire because you are only spreading it, you are giving away the fact that saying something is cringe worthy affects you greately. 

Another issue I have is that a lot of people don't know the difference between people who openly want to hurt you, and people who want to criticize you, and when they see a message like this the line between both usually breaks, that's the problem I have the most. 

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